View Full Version : Ritualist == Druid OR Ritualist != Druid?
I hope this doesn't start a flame war so please help me out by not starting one. I just want everyone's opinion here -- please don't say, "it's not a druid because" or "it IS a druid because," since you're not going to convince anyone. It seems to be a hot topic (although I'm not sure why), but I do want to know what most people think.
Erasculio
09-01-2006, 23:05
For the records, I would have loved an "We don't have enough information yet to know" option in that poll.
Erasculio
For the records, I would have loved an "We don't have enough information yet to know" option in that poll.
Erasculio
It's there -- just don't vote. :)
Edit: But you're right -- I probably am jumping the gun a bit. In retrospect, I wish I hadn't posted this yet (but I'm impulsive that way).
I can always delete it for you if you want ^^
I can always delete it for you if you want ^^
Please do -- in retrospect, it's not very useful.
Thanks!
SepticFlesh
10-01-2006, 00:44
I think the reason it seems so much like the druid to some people is because they just want to compare guildwars to Diablo and people have been trying to do this for a very long time me thinks. Personally I think it is just lame and people should let guildwars be guildwars, because ya know what... I think it is guildwars!
DarkZeal
10-01-2006, 01:38
Aren't there White Mantle Ritualists in the game? They're just necros right now... : P
I think the reason it seems so much like the druid to some people is because they just want to compare guildwars to Diablo and people have been trying to do this for a very long time me thinks. Personally I think it is just lame and people should let guildwars be guildwars, because ya know what... I think it is guildwars!
Must.... not.... reply.... must.... resist....flames...
Help me Zero! Delete away!
It's a bit different from a druid in D&D because of the spirits and different from the d2 druid because of the healing skills.....so i say it's in-between of druids in these 2 games
Who the hell cares. Hope it will be fun. If it aint be fun then i will just post it is a copy of any other Game. Doesnt matter which one. If its fun then i will call it Made by A-NET. ^^
The Harlequin
12-01-2006, 00:15
It seems more like the WoW shaman, but basically what I'd expect Anet to make if I put a gun to their heads and said, "make me a Druid, monkey boys!". Healing, spirits and the obligatory direct damage spells. So, yeah, I voted Druid.
Erasculio
12-01-2006, 00:37
Funny how many people say, "It's just like Diablo: LoD Druid!", and then some say, "It's just like WoW Druid!" and then some say "It's just like D&D Druid!".
To me, it looks more like a Shaman than anything else, especially considering how the spirits doesn't actually move. More like Wards than Minions, in my opinion.
Erasculio
heres a new idea
maybe its going to be a :gasp: GW RITUALIST!1
crazy thoughts like that cant be possible tho =/
Oren The Destroyer
12-01-2006, 02:02
hem hem...
VOO DOO WONDERFULL MA-MAGIK
ty good night:happy65:
SepticFlesh
12-01-2006, 12:13
Hey.... has anyone noticed that the guildwars warrior is like the melee class in Fallout 2! You can use hammers, you can knock the enemy down and cause negative conditions with the hammer.... OMG WHAT A RIPP OFF :happy05:
Hey.... has anyone noticed that the guildwars warrior is like the melee class in Fallout 2! You can use hammers, you can knock the enemy down and cause negative conditions with the hammer.... OMG WHAT A RIPP OFF :happy05:
*Sigh* I'm guessing this is sarcasm.
Ok, I can't resist anymore, but I'll try and be objective. There seem to be two fallacious assumptions that most posters are making about the OP (me):
1) The OP thinks that the Ritualist *IS* the same as the druid and the only reason they put the poll up is to get more people to agree, and
2) if it turns out that the Ritualist is the same as a Druid, that's a "BAD THING."
I am saying neither of these things. I'm just looking for people's thoughts on the idea. But as one of the early posters remarked: there's really not enough information to go on yet.
FWIW, I don't plan to roll a Ritualist or an Assassin, but I imagine that I might experiment with them as a secondary.
But ofc, when I got the game, I said I would never play a mesmer and my main char would be an ele. In reality, it turned out to be the opposite.
casserole
12-01-2006, 16:39
We don't have much information yet, but from what we've seen the Ritualist appears to have some qualities from all of these other game classes mentioned. There have been so many fantasy themed games prior to GW that it would be near impossible to design a class that was completely new/unique in which noone saw similarities to something else.
It would be like showing an inkblot test to a group. Some people might see nothing, others might see Jesus, or Elvis, or even an anatomical organ of the body.
The bottom line for me is that I have no problem with where the developers get their ideas and inspirations from when creating GW, so long as it is a game I enjoy playing. That being said, this is a GW foum site and we all love speculating on the future of the game don't we.
SepticFlesh
13-01-2006, 04:17
Im sorry, I have to admit that was abit extreme and maybe alittle rude. But my point is there have simply been soo many games that it is hard to come up with an idea that is origional even if you have never heard of the 1st before.. simply because everything has been done before. Its the same with movies, I have watched too many movies (and played games) that when I see a new one its exactly the bloody same as 3 others I have watched execpt for the characters and the sorroundings. This is obviously abit of an exageration but my point is our world and our minds are only so limited. If you put some kid in a cave and didnt expose him to hardly any thing im sure he would have many of the exact same ideas as other people.
But anyway with that point.... I still dont think the ritualist is the druid.
Dark Calibur
14-01-2006, 18:21
I must say this... WHY DRUID?!
couldn't it be a summoner perhaps???
I mean druids are supposedly the nature class, by my own definitions and insights I see druids more of the nature class that works with animals, tree spirits, but not deadly weird gothic kind of spirits....
sure it might be a summoner in the way that it actually doesn't "summon" but I hear talk of spirits... spirits are like entities and avatars that summoners would summon....
little light pointing a different way perhaps...
SepticFlesh
17-01-2006, 02:40
I must say this... WHY DRUID?!
couldn't it be a summoner perhaps???
I mean druids are supposedly the nature class, by my own definitions and insights I see druids more of the nature class that works with animals, tree spirits, but not deadly weird gothic kind of spirits....
sure it might be a summoner in the way that it actually doesn't "summon" but I hear talk of spirits... spirits are like entities and avatars that summoners would summon....
little light pointing a different way perhaps...
Very good point, the Ranger is like a druid me thinks...
But you are exactly right.... the Ritualist seems to be some kind of emo goth slit your wrists necro kinda thing, I dunno..
LagunaCid
18-01-2006, 21:33
Topic title is the best way of showing off that you know how to make an if statement. ;)
Very good point, the Ranger is like a druid me thinks...
But you are exactly right.... the Ritualist seems to be some kind of emo goth slit your wrists necro kinda thing, I dunno..
I agree. The ranger is kinda of like a druid in that respect, but if you look at EQ the druid has healing spells and geomancerish skills like tangel root. If this is the case then you could say a ritualist is a druird. We'll just have to wait and see.
stueyman
18-01-2006, 23:17
i think a big problem here is that everyone has a different idea of what a druid is. druids are featured in many games. the origional druid (to my knowledge anyway) was in D&D. now, i'm not a D&D buff, i'm a complete noob to it (bearly just learning the game) but i do know that the signiture of the druid is being one with nature. if we look to guild wars and try to find a class that fits that, the ranger is the best canidate imo. rather than stating all the things that rangers have that are nature related, i would instead challenge you to come up with another class that has any at all (though i'm sure there are a couple.) the current outline for ritualist is essentialy a "dark savage priest" (CGW) what does that have to do with nature? they use spirits, and yes that is similar to a rangers "Nature Rituals" but in my eyes is clearly not the same thing, as these spirits come from the ethreal realm apparently.
so, in conclusion
ritualist != druid
ranger == druid
SepticFlesh
19-01-2006, 00:11
How about we all just look back to the real druids and make the comparisons there and see who ripped off who. Real druids from history that is.
someone else can do the research =)
U can go to this links for some actual druidic info..
http://www.crystalinks.com/druids.html
Basically druids are an ancient order of priest in Celtic religion.
SepticFlesh
19-01-2006, 11:02
U can go to this links for some actual druidic info..
http://www.crystalinks.com/druids.html
Basically druids are an ancient order of priest in Celtic religion.
Thanks, I knew someone would :azn:
itz nitro
21-01-2006, 01:05
Why do you care about other peoples opinions? Why does it matter what we think about the class? The only person's opinion you should care about is your own. dfscott.
Well if you actually look at ritualist armor name it said "shaman's xxx"
If they make even a half-assed attempt at it they could easily find other ways to do Druids that would still make them uniqe.
SkarjakTheFoul
21-01-2006, 04:20
I voted that they are far from druids because they don't have the primary quality of druids: shapeshifting!
I hope the expansion after factions will feature some kind of lycanthrope. Then you will be able to make Ly/R that will be just like the archetypal druid.
Now now. Druid theorically does stuff with nature. The ritualist does NOTHING of the sort.
The ritualist is basically a shaman, since he does stuff with the ghosts and spirits and remains of the deads (but not in a necromantic way, that's another thing).
Trinculo
21-01-2006, 12:29
Ritualist != Druid
nuff said
Well i think ritualist is more of a Taoist
But then I guess the westerner don't know what a taoist is.
Well i think ritualist is more of a Taoist
But then I guess the westerner don't know what a taoist is.
I know ^^
Anyway it doesn't really fit my idea of a taoist.... mah
this reminds me sort off some of the druid skills off Baulders Gate, but i wont go there. But i dont think a Druid could be put in this game as we have rangers and ritulists already, and wouldnt a druid be essentialy a R/Rt or Rt/R or maybe Rt/Mo? also, whats a druid would be a good question??? as it depends on what game u first found druids on of what ur idea of druids are.
For me the ritualist is a crazy gipsy stripper. :smiley:
So, no druid at all... I see little nature rituals, but a lot of fancy dancing and summoning of spirits that do not seem to be so natural at all, and holding up ashes of some villains and whatsoever... :rolleyes:
aeonbahamutzero
04-02-2006, 21:43
i see them more as a shaman opposed to a druid.
Goldfish God
05-02-2006, 05:22
Ritualist == Crazy Voodoo Shaman
Druids already appear in the game. Rangers have "druid" armour, and those big ranger-spirit looking things in Magumma Jungle are refered to as "druids" also.
MaximumSquid
07-02-2006, 06:15
I think the Ritualist is the closest to the Shaman in WoW.
Wow Shaman:
Drop Totems
Buff Weapons
Heal & Res
Offensive lightning spells
Ritualist
Drops spirits
Buffs Weapons
Heal & Res
Offensive Lightning spells
and since you can only drop one spirit of the same kind at a time it works well with the Shaman Totem theory.
/my two pesos
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OH yeah. .. Druids shapeshift, and have nature atunement. Not Ancenstral spirit connections.:laughing:
MaximumSquid
07-02-2006, 06:16
Ritualist == Crazy Voodoo Shaman yes thank you. . . my point exactly
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