Gaile Chat [log: 25/02/2006]

[Malhavoc Adhamar]

Gaile appeared today first in THK American 4 then in LA international 2. I missed the start of the LA Int2 appearence and the THK appearence but I have everything else. If you logged the other two then please post them up. Cheers.

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Enjoy.

Mal.

[Aaiiry Astald]

I have the others. Posting in a moment

Here it is.

The blured whispers are info whispered to me abotu what I missed. I did not get all of THK.

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[Ellix Cantero]

Gaile supports rage quiting :p

[IlikeGW]

well, the devs don't play the game. she doesn't realize that quitting in many situations is too much of a waste of time to be a good option.

[RedSavior]

Thanks for the shots. When I heard Gaile Gray was in THK D4, I tried teleporting there, but it was always full.

[MasterNightfall]

well, the devs don't play the game.

Plain, flat out, wrong.

[Scutilla]

Plain, flat out, wrong.
Correct. Gaile has told us that she has alternate accounts.

Wow, glad to see that the monks are getting some loving. Hopefully this will cool their heads a little.

[KCBeserk]

lol monk the most accept class going a strike?

mesmer should go on a strike but no one would notice

[Dominix Angelus]

Where do i purchase a GM radar Mal? just out of curiousity.


Anyway, Its good to know Gaile loves us monks. For some reason, her speech brought me comfort and made me want to heal people. Yes, Even killroy's.

[Gaile]

Plain, flat out, wrong.Thank you very much for that defense. Wherever do people get the impression "Devs don't play the game?" My simple answer (http://www.guildwars.com/gallery/art/photoalbum/gwwc/xmlgallery.php?imageid=2). That's a group of Devs trying very hard not to play the game. :rolleyes:

Oh, we won, btw. :kiss:

Where do i purchase a GM radar Mal? just out of curiousity. Anyway, Its good to know Gaile loves us monks. For some reason, her speech brought me comfort and made me want to heal people. Yes, Even killroy's.Wow, thanks! I truly love Monks. I feel that, in the overall spectrum of the game, they can be the most interesting and valuable of all party members. I'm am in awe of a good Monk more than the member of any other profession except, perhaps, a Mesmer. And I know, the Monk can be sort of "assumed" in the mix, but I do believe their contribution is enormous.

[ZiegDivine]

I'm really getting into reading frog talk (and of course Gaile talk:smiley:). It's really quite exciting having an "ingame character" that talks about future changes.

[Gorani]

A "Monk Strike" ist IMO the most stupid thing I have seen & heard in GW for months!:angry:

I play a healing monk myself, so I am part of the "Prayer Circle", too.

I fear that other professions might be next encouraged by this nonsense:

Mesmer: "It is not a bug, I am casting Empathy! Love me for that!"
Ranger: "Will not slaughter my pet for IWAY"
Necro: "Will not be the Battery anymore & The dead will stay dead!"
Ele: "Each Meteor Shower will cost you some gold guys!"
Warrior: "If you won't heal me, I will use a wand like Alesia!"

If you don't want to play, logg off !

[ZiegDivine]

Warrior: "If you won't heal me, I will use a wand like Alesia!"

I've found this out today (but I'm sure this isn't new), and this is from a very reliable source, but some warriors do use wands with increased attack mod to faster get adrenaline and then go in for a adrenaline spike.

Plus, I'm sure that you have had at least one experiece where a warrior overextends, gets right into the middle of the enemy group and dies, expecting you to keep him alive. If you haven't, you haven't done enough pve, or you have been ridiculously lucky. You should at least see where the other monks are coming from, if not support them.

[Magi_ofDeath]

Wow, thanks! I truly love Monks. I feel that, in the overall spectrum of the game, they can be the most interesting and valuable of all party members. I'm am in awe of a good Monk more than the member of any other profession except, perhaps, a Mesmer. And I know, the Monk can be sort of "assumed" in the mix, but I do believe their contribution is enormous.

Monks are a good class, but I would never be one, because I would cause everyone to die...not very confident in being team healer. :tongue: As for deaths in missions, I don't blame monks when I die unless they are clearly not trying. I blame myself when I die, or I just don't really care. My main character who has been played for 946 hrs has 1,451 deaths, and probably all of them has been my fault or most of them. I usually end up laughing when I die in a party, cause I know its only a game, and shouldn't worry so much about it. I just try to have fun with the game, whereas other people take it too seriously. Example would be when my friend/guildie were trying to get to granite from copperhammer while capping skull crack along the way for him. Well, we ended up getting our butts kicked (Ice Rock/Rock Ice are insane) and we ended up with 60 dp by the time we got to granite, but honestly I was laughing each time and sometimes saying "Well, this is bull crap." Anyways, sorry for rambling, but just wanna say I appreciate monks and never blame them for my deaths, but not when they say they are gonna start charging for their services....it would like me as MM saying "I want 50g per minion raised". As for what I'm most impressed with is a good mesmer and I always like a good ranger, love interrupting with my ranger.

[Saline]

Gaile just left THK district one about 10 minutes ago, I took screenshots of everything she said incase no one else got it (unlikely, but it was kinda hard to get into district one because of the monk strike.) I can make a log if needed.

[Gorani]

but some warriors do use wands with increased attack mod to faster get adrenaline and then go in for a adrenaline spike.


No doubt to the thing in the quote, but do you think that Alesia is a good damage dealer?:wink:

I could have said "I am a tank without armour"

I can not support stupid behavior like the strike. If you are so bored with the game, please leave.

[Scutilla]

Ranger: "Will not slaughter my pet for IWAY"
My ranger feels that is something worth protesting about :tongue: However, he only protests in the form of attending the Zoo Crew meetings and glaring at his necro companion when he kills wild animals for soul reaping energy.

Gaile just left THK district one about 10 minutes ago, I took screenshots of everything she said incase no one else got it (unlikely, but it was kinda hard to get into district one because of the monk strike.) I can make a log if needed.
Shame on you, Mal, your Gaile Radar must've been defunctive. (Yes, I know it's like 7 in the morning over there :grin: ).

I woulda swung by myself if I wasn't helping out with Titan's Source at the time.

[Aaiiry Astald]

Gaile just left THK district one about 10 minutes ago, I took screenshots of everything she said incase no one else got it (unlikely, but it was kinda hard to get into district one because of the monk strike.) I can make a log if needed.


If you could that would be great as I was in tombs when she was on


And Mal is sleeping, so it was my rader that didnt go off intime, and when it didi I was stuck in tombs as the only monk so I couldnt bail.

[XeNoGeArZ]

Gaile supports rage quiting :p
:laughing: There you go!


Wherever do people get the impression "Devs don't play the game?" My simple answer (http://www.guildwars.com/gallery/art/photoalbum/gwwc/xmlgallery.php?imageid=2).
What response time are those LCDs? I have a BENQ 19" 16ms LCD that stutters GW for me, which is the only reason I'm keeping a space-hogging 17" monster CRT. I'm thinking 8ms is a good one.

Nice to hear about that 24 hr head start for pre-order buyers.
Guild storage is defiinitely a critical request. (Auction house too pls)
"Builds button" - common let's bring it
and of course skill update(AKA nerf city) early next week

Overall, 2 months is a long time to wait for Factions.

[Cyberman]

Ranger: "Will not slaughter my pet for IWAY"
What kind of sick ranger would do so anyway?

If you don't want to play, logg off !
I think that´s a bit harsh.
Since you play a monk yourself, you know how hard that can be. And I´ve seen stupid players (not just warriors) running ahead, ignoring the monks pleas for some rest, and then spamming "I´m dead".

While I´d never play a monk, I think can understand how they feel. They´re an essential part of the team, and often are treated like they´re actually hurting the group, instead of keeping it alive.

As someone here said, quitting isn´t always an option - unless you want to redo the entire mission.

Of course, this applies to any class. But monks are the only ones able to heal, so everyone depends on them.

Perhaps this´ll get better if/when we get a second healer class.

[doomqueen]

Thank you very much for that defense. Wherever do people get the impression "Devs don't play the game?" My simple answer (http://www.guildwars.com/gallery/art/photoalbum/gwwc/xmlgallery.php?imageid=2). That's a group of Devs trying very hard not to play the game. :rolleyes:

Oh, we won, btw. :kiss:

Gaile is last one, she look AWESOME :flowers: (i love this game :cloud9:)

[Lady Rhonwyn]

Monks are a good class, but I would never be one, because I would cause everyone to die...not very confident in being team healer. :tongue:
I had the same feeling when I first started my monk. But as you play with the storyline (no skipping) you'll learn how to use your skills. I think a problem with a lot of people is, they just skip ahead to the desert and think they can play the character (no matter what profession).

My monk is in the Fire Islands now (great work yesterday with the all-monk THK mission), and I only know how to work a healing monk at this moment (at least with some confidence).

[Saline]

This was the Gaile chat that occured today in the American District 1 in THK during a monk strike.

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[Tango]

This was the Gaile chat that occured today in the American District 1 in THK during a monk strike.

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you have to convert them from bmp to jpeg before uploading em or else photobucket shrink-e-dink's em :cry:

[Saline]

you have to convert them from bmp to jpeg before uploading em or else photobucket shrink-e-dink's em :cry:

I see, thank you :smiley:

[LordShadowblight]

Hey Thats news.... Monks on strike? I had to work so I misssed all the chaos that must have whent on when every one realized they could not get a monk for the mission and then having to use the hench tanks opps I ment to say monks. and thanks again Mal and the others for getting the logs posted.

[Evil Death]

Thank you very much for that defense. Wherever do people get the impression "Devs don't play the game?" My simple answer (http://www.guildwars.com/gallery/art/photoalbum/gwwc/xmlgallery.php?imageid=2). That's a group of Devs trying very hard not to play the game. :rolleyes:

Are you the one with the beard or the one with the moustache?

Oh, we won, btw. :kiss:

So that's why everyone's demanding a nerf on Gaile...

[DBZVelena]

LOL, during the strike was the first time i had NO trouble finding a monk.
Ok i had to bloodwell suport him but the whole quest went off without a hitch.

I personally understand their pov, W's should understand it too and stop rushing! I hate rushing players, its much more fun to leave a long line of bodies in my wake, than to have to run past live enemies. (and become a body my self)

[muriel]

mesmer should go on a strike but no one would notice
sad, but true...

[Aladar]

I was there for that particular Gaile chat, and I have to say.. it wasn't very enlightening. She and the Frog visit too often now; they never have any NEW news to tell us. At least I know she supports us Monks and understands our plight. :)

EDIT: Btw, be sure to watch for the Assassin dance emote when Factions is released... don't be surprised if it's the Macarena. ;)

[Magi_ofDeath]

I'm not against feeling bad for the monks and some stupid idiots disrespecting them.....but I am against monks still carrying on with this crap and still asking for money for their services in missions. Not to be rude, but I ask, what was done about this whole thing.....obviously nothing if people are still asking for money to help with missions....

This would only happen on American servers...I bet Europe, Korea and the other servers don't have this problem. Makes me proud to be an American!! /end sarcasm And I know other games wouldn't have this problem either....I played Diablo 2 for years, and never once did I see something like this. I'd like to thank Gaile for supporting the monks, but no thanks in the term of helping to actually end this and just let things carry on like they were normally....people shouldn't have to leave district 1 because some idiots are still unwilling to help. Glad I don't need THK. And if I get flamed for this post, I don't really care......nothing was done to help stop this, it just helped to not stop it.....

[Memnoch]

I've been reading the Gaile/Frog logs for awhile now. I'm starting to get impatient...there are a lot of things I'm interested in experiencing with the upcoming factions, but the question that burns me the most is how many character slots are we going to have? Ok...they don't know yet. Everytime there is a Gaile/Frog log...the answer is the same...they don't know yet. That's fine, I can even accept that...there are a lot of things involved in that decision, however...can Gaile or the Frog at LEAST tell us WHEN we might find out?

thank you for putting up with my rant

:rolleyes: :grin:

[Aaiiry Astald]

How can they tell us when we will know if they dont know when that will be anyway?Right now they would just say "When it comes out" I bet.

[IlikeGW]

Thank you very much for that defense. Wherever do people get the impression "Devs don't play the game?"

That would be like saying an author reads his own book like his readers do. Just couldn't happen, and you guys can't really understand where we are coming from.

I mean, c'mon, you actually encouraged rage quitting. Few of the playerbase condone that behavior because it costs the whole group their time.

[onetrigger]

I was there at the time. Had been trying to get a group for almost 45 mins and none of the Monks would play... Finally got one (and he was good). We finally got going, right after she left. Was kind of neat. Cool that she cared enough to show up and cool people off.

[onetrigger]

That would be like saying an author reads his own book like his readers do. Just couldn't happen, and you guys can't really understand where we are coming from.

NOT the same. Books are static. The game is TOTALLY different depending upon who you are playing with. The game has to be experienced and no two experiences will be the same (even with henchies).

[tarutaru]

I mean, c'mon, you actually encouraged rage quitting. Few of the playerbase condone that behavior because it costs the whole group their time.

And for good reason. What Gaile was describing was NOT nondescriminant rage quitting just because someone called u a name or disagreed with you about something. Gaile was Specfically addressing the reasons and rationals behind the monk strike, and whether or not monks are justified in wanting to quit.

Think about it this way: What warrior is going to learn quicker that s/he can't aggro 5 mobs at once, the one that's just yelled at in chat by party members, or the one that can't complete the mission 4 times over and over again because the monk leaves from disgust? Simple, people always learn more from failure, and it is not hard to make-up the time lost in a mission. I would gladly give up 30 min of my time to teach someone more about game mechanics and aggro. Some of you might not agree, but obviously the devs do, as does Gaile...

[Magi_ofDeath]

That would be like saying an author reads his own book like his readers do. Just couldn't happen, and you guys can't really understand where we are coming from.

I mean, c'mon, you actually encouraged rage quitting. Few of the playerbase condone that behavior because it costs the whole group their time.

I completely agree with IlikeGW on this stand. Thankfully for me, I have a good guild to turn to, and probably Gaile can turn to her fellow developers for help. Others, however, are not so lucky, so rage quitting as Gaile recommended in the middle of a long mission, ie Thunderhead Keep or any of the Ring of Fire missions would be unproductive for the whole group. And I also agree with the fact that you guys don't understand where we are coming from, cause honestly, not to be rude or anything, you don't. Until you've played in our situations, with NOONE to back you up, no guild, no development team staff, etc, then noone can say that they know how we feel. I've been in that situation, and well, its not fun. Can you say endless hours of farming, cause you have noone else to do anything with since your friends quit GW and moved on to another game. Yea, not fun at all, so sorry again to be rude, next time you players wanna start an uprising, think of the people who are guildless and don't have anyone else to fall back on. In my honest opinion, all the monks, the person who started it and the people who agreed with it, were being very selfish. They were just thinking of themselves and how they felt, not of how the whole player population was gonna be affected by this. Why screw everyone in the game in one mission because one wammo decided to be a jerk and yell at a monk for not healing him when he charged forward? Hey, guess what man, get over it, its a game, just ignore him, don't rez him, UA him, whatever, but don't start a freakin uprising over the stupid issue. I don't have much say, but as a faithful GW player, I would never want to see something like this happen again, although I'm sure it will. And Gaile, I know you like monks, and so do I and I never complain about them, unless they clearly are not doing good at what they are supposed to do. However, Gaile, agreeing with the whole riot was kinda mean to the other people that were trying to get thru the game. And once again, if you all wanna flame me, go right ahead, I honestly don't care. I mean, if noone is gonna tell how they REALLY feel cause they are afraid of being flamed or banned from GW for EXPRESSING THEIR OPINION, then we do live in a sad sad world.

And if this post sounds extremely rude, I apologize, but I'm just expressing my opinions on the last 2 nights.

[Awakener]

As I live In Australia, I never really get to see Gaile. So I would like please, if someone knew, or could ask Gaile About the Australian Pre-Order, as EB Games in Aust. Are saying that they know nothing of the Febuary 28th pre-order and they know nothing of the collectors edition. So If anyone happens to catch her please ask if aust. Will get CE and Pre-Order Thankyou :smiley:

[Jodie O]

As I live In Australia, I never really get to see Gaile. So I would like please, if someone knew, or could ask Gaile About the Australian Pre-Order, as EB Games in Aust. Are saying that they know nothing of the Febuary 28th pre-order and they know nothing of the collectors edition. So If anyone happens to catch her please ask if aust. Will get CE and Pre-Order Thankyou :smiley:

x 2 I live in oz and i'd also like to know some more info about the pre-order package.
Oh and for New Zealand as well, caun't nuglect our frunds in the souuth (err bad kiwi accent ...doh)

[Awakener]

x 2 I live in oz and i'd also like to know some more info about the pre-order package.
Oh and for New Zealand as well, caun't nuglect our frunds in the souuth (err bad kiwi accent ...doh)

Yeh, I spose, Go Kiwis.. lol :wink:

[Aladar]

From what I've heard, the default server for Oceania/Australian players is the American server. If you want to see Gaile, she's been hanging around Thunderhead Keep American district 1, and she and the Frog are talking at least once a week in Lion's Arch international district 1. Hope this helps. :cool:

[Gordon Michael]

First of all, I think I can see where the monks are coming from. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the striking monks have finished the mission, and were only doing the mission because they wanted the bonus, were feelig generous, for the fun of it or just for cash. I've helped three or four groups through THK as a monk after completing it, possibly more since I was grinding gold for my 15k armor there whenever we didn't have favor back in the days before Sorrow's Furnace. Getting yelled at by someone when I'm trying to be helpful irritates me a lot more than getting yelled at when I'm trying to do the mission too. I've gotten a lot of abuse as a monk, in online games people tend to have a love / hate relationship with tanks and healers, since no one can cover for them halfway through a mission and a bad (or laggy) one can easily cause a wipeout. Furthermore, there seems to be a lot of animousity between warriors and monks since each is so dependant upon the other, and since each can quite easily be falsely blamed for the other's failure. Monking has done a lot to increase both my respect for good warriors and my frustration with bad ones. There's more complaints about monks because there's less of them, making it more frustrating trying to get a monk. If more of the players were suffering from Diablo II lag induced melee-phobia like me then there'd be a warrior shortage and everyone would be complaining about them.

Thank you very much for that defense. Wherever do people get the impression "Devs don't play the game?" My simple answer (http://www.guildwars.com/gallery/art/photoalbum/gwwc/xmlgallery.php?imageid=2). That's a group of Devs trying very hard not to play the game. :rolleyes:

Oh, we won, btw. :kiss:

Wow, thanks! I truly love Monks. I feel that, in the overall spectrum of the game, they can be the most interesting and valuable of all party members. I'm am in awe of a good Monk more than the member of any other profession except, perhaps, a Mesmer. And I know, the Monk can be sort of "assumed" in the mix, but I do believe their contribution is enormous.

MESMER STRIKE!!! I've already got all the green wands and foci, now all I need is another character slot.

What kind of sick ranger would do so anyway?


I think that´s a bit harsh.
Since you play a monk yourself, you know how hard that can be. And I´ve seen stupid players (not just warriors) running ahead, ignoring the monks pleas for some rest, and then spamming "I´m dead".

While I´d never play a monk, I think can understand how they feel. They´re an essential part of the team, and often are treated like they´re actually hurting the group, instead of keeping it alive.

As someone here said, quitting isn´t always an option - unless you want to redo the entire mission.

Of course, this applies to any class. But monks are the only ones able to heal, so everyone depends on them.

Perhaps this´ll get better if/when we get a second healer class.

White Mantle Seeker? Stone Summit Surveyor? Charr Stalker? Orders N/R? As for a second healer class, the Ritualist's Restoration Magic attribute line looks like it might be able to compete with Healing Prayers, at least in the sustained healing department, it doesn't look like they'll be able to spike heal that well.

[Evil Death]

From what I've heard, the default server for Oceania/Australian players is the American server.

Not that I'd noticed. We have many Aussies on Europe.

For purposes of timezoning they should go on Korea, but that would be impractical in other ways.

[False Visage]

Many Australians that I know (And there's a Guild of us, mostly Melbourne folks) go on the European Servers. Partly because of the time issues, as mainting Guild relations on an American server gets strained, but mostly because we prefer the atmosphere on the European Servers. But mostly it's personal choice because I do know some who do go on the American servers.

Also, EB here is pathetic at Pre-ordering and special deals. I only saw the Collectors pack for the Prophecies Campaign just before Christmas and even then, it was tucked away in a hard to find shelf. Your best bet for this is ordering online.

People don't seem to realise, Monk's can't infinitely heal unless they've got good support. The attackers in the group have to be good at attacking as well. The amount of times I've yelled back at innexperienced players in SF or FoW/UW...I'm not sure which is worse, the rage quitting or yelling back.

[Evil Death]

People don't seem to realise, Monk's can't infinitely heal unless they've got good support.

It also helps if you're not running way ahead of the party so the Monks can't heal you, and if you're not wearing two Superiors and a Major along with a -50 focus but not playing a 55 build. I'd say this was a shout out to the cretin I had to deal with while running my Monk through the Desert 15-point quest, but if he were here he wouldn't be such a lousy player.

[ccrazool]

Oh for god's sake, you mean Gaile (and thus ANet) actually acknowledged (and thereby validated) this demented monk strike nonsense?!

It breaks down to this: if a monk in THK needed to pass the mission, it was "LFG". If a monk did not need to pass the mission it was "strike!" Real great standards there, protest when it's convenient, and shut up when it's necessary.

A real "strike" would have been to keep your monk from participating in THK in an attempt to remove the monk population in the Ring of Fire. A bit of self sacrifice in pursuit of a higher, nobler goal FTW. But no, it was just posturing and complaining from those that didn't need the mission and "Monk LFG!" from those that did. Feh.

Need a hug, monks? Great. Here's a hug. And a red iris flower. Now shut up and heal me, and I'll tank/nuke/interrupt/debuff for you.

Hypocracy, self-indulgence, and whining won the day when Gaile validated the whole charade. GG.

[Tinovul]

First of all I have 3 Healing Monks. I have gotten to the point that I will not play these Monks with PUG's. Only with people I know. I know that sounds bad, but I am tired of the way most of them play. There are good players out there, but they are hard to find. The only way I would play with PUG's is if I am not the only Monk in party. There is no way that 1 Monk can keep 8 people alive,when they play like idiots. All characters should always carry self heal. Do not DEPEND on Monks to keep you alive. We have a thing called ENERGY that we need. I always spam my ENERGY and they keep running ahead. Mostly warriors but others too. It becomes more work and no fun.

[Jodie O]

Many Australians that I know (And there's a Guild of us, mostly Melbourne folks) go on the European Servers. Partly because of the time issues, as mainting Guild relations on an American server gets strained, but mostly because we prefer the atmosphere on the European Servers. But mostly it's personal choice because I do know some who do go on the American servers.

American servers for the win - I mean come on all those late night sleep deprived americans are mucho fun to play with :laugh:
As for the atmosphere in the euro servers........I switched a couple of times to the euro servers and found it a lot quieter and most people that I went to uw with flat out rude so I went back to the american server. Each to there own i guess.

Also, EB here is pathetic at Pre-ordering and special deals. I only saw the Collectors pack for the Prophecies Campaign just before Christmas and even then, it was tucked away in a hard to find shelf. Your best bet for this is ordering online.
Indeed EB is quite useless which is why when I saw the post by awakaner I x2ed cause I'd like to know how to get factions 24 hours ahead of the sheep.
So tell me false visage, whom will you be ordering through :-)
(don't you just love the word Whom, oh sooo spiffy)

[Zaxares]

x 3 (4? 5?) for the Australian pre-order. Weekly checks to the EB stores about the pre-order here in Brisbane have yielded "Duuuh?" (or words thereabout) as a response. If I can't get the pre-order reserved for me, I'll just pre-order it online and download the client. (Although I'd hate to do that because I have always loved the feel of picking down a game box from the shelf, cracking it open on the train ride home and devouring the game manual like a crack addict. :grin:)

[Magi_ofDeath]

Hypocracy, self-indulgence, and whining won the day when Gaile validated the whole charade. GG.

Amen to that! Goodnight, I quit, I don't need to say anymore, aside for the fact that Gaile shouldn't of taken sides and just stayed neutral in the whole affair......And thats the last thing I say in this thread! *crawls in corner*

[Gaile]

It is a very rash statement to assume you know my opinion on the monk issue. I sympathized with some of their positions, and thought, for the most part, it was a funny idea that got started with a few players, was based on humour, and ballooned into something larger that became the talk of the weekend. For the most part, the Monks to whom I spoke about this were lighthearted, claming "We're tired of healing the guys who rush ahead" and "No one gives us any respect." Well, that old comedian, the late Rodney Dangerfield, made a fortune from his "I get no respect!" And I do believe that most Monks meant their statement in the same humorous way.

If Monks were seriously striking, why were so many people playing the missions? If Monks were truly demanding money, how many provably (not "I heard" or "rumours are" but provably) paid for a run? I would imagine no one.

So what harm was the strike? Was anyone hurt by it? Did anyone suffer from it? And maybe it made some of us stop and think "Hey, you know, I do yell at the Monk too much when I rush ahead and die, and it's true, he can't be everywhere." Wanting to make other players aware of the difficulty of your "job" in the game isn't a crime. Holding them up for money, or getting overly pushy, is unacceptable, though. In this matter, I was and remain neutral, and that neutrality isn't affected by the fact that I express some understanding of the points being made by my fellow players.

[Magi_ofDeath]

Thank you Gaile for explaining. I guess the reason I didn't understand the monks getting a little mad is because I never get angry when I die, unless I'm soloing alone. Stuff happens, whether its lag or something else. In most cases, I do now know the person who is monking in real life, so whats the point of getting mad at him or her. 9 times out of 10 when I die, its my stubborness not to back off that causes my death....ie "oh man, this dolyak master is almost dead, I can take some more hits from the carver" *death*. The only time I will say "you suck" or "you're a newb" is in jest to a friend or a guildmate. I will never say outright that a PUG monk is doing bad in game. I will say to myself "uhh yea, this person is not doing that great" and just move on/complete whatever it was I was attempting. Basically, I was kinda perplexed as to why the monks were doing it, whether it was for fun or not, thus causing me to get annoyed. I was perplexed cause I don't usually yell at the monks for me dying, so I must of thought that at least some people in GW were like me. Also, I envy people who can play monks well and also very considerate to them, cause I know I wouldn't be able to play them well and I would never make a warrior, cause I have seen my fair share of bad wammos, and it made me steer clear of the warrior class. My guildmates who monk usually apologize when I or others die, and I sometimes say "not your fault, its mine" or something to that affect. These are just examples to back up my claims....not trying to insinuate I'm a nice person, because I've admitted in fact, I can be a jerk at times, as can everyone. Just the above rambling helps to state my claim of why I was annoyed/perplexed at what happened over the weekend. Ok, /end rambling and uhh thanks for reading? Sleep time soon, goodnight ppl! :wave:

[Mraezk]

Eh... How can you call it a 'strike' when the vast majority of players (or monks) probably didn't even know about it? Heck, I tend to waste entirely too much time on forums, and even I didn't notice it.

Personally, I don't care what class I'm playing. If there's an idiot in the group that is causing a problem, I'm bailing. I imagine the same is true for most players. Trying to hold players using monk characters to a higher standard because their role is seemingly more important to the group is just as silly as thinking that the entire monk class as a whole is controlled by some highly organized and self regulating body with some kind of "One for all!" collective conscious. :soapbox:

[Aaiiry Astald]

Miss Gaile, there were a few monks that took it too far. At the start of the strike I was working on Ashlyn and just got her to THK. I got into a group and we got two monks, as soon as we got in, one of them started screaming ON STRIKE. The other one failed to join, we only could assume he was also a striker.

So while some or most were lighthearted, some went way to far.

[CKaz]

...maybe it made some of us stop and think "Hey, you know, I do yell at the Monk too much when I rush ahead and die, and it's true, he can't be everywhere."

Yeah ain't that the truth. I recently joined a guild and my level 16 monk was going with the gang through a (admitably overpowered) mission run. One of the warriors I (normally) respected rushed ahead but meanwhile there was a lot going on and I was healing those to the back - we had another 20th level monk as well. We werent doing the bonus at that point (they couldn't find peasant #1) but he rushed ahead anyways and managed to die. I got the rub for it, and 'I'll never assume you know what to do again'. Huh?

Actually I have about 1k hours and almost all unlocks with my 3 primaries through the game - hey if I have to keep Leeroy going at least tell me you're going to Leeory, especially when we already nixxed the reason to do so and we have another level20 monk on the run and in the guild longer than I - maybe they woulda known what you were going to do :rolleyes:

Everyone has a story but why do I bring that up? Because that angers me a bit more than anything I've done with my primary ele, necro, warrior - at least there you're doing your job and dropping things, getting aggro, etc. But if someone drops its normally the monks fault - more noticeable, and usually doesn't take into account if the player(s) made it particularly difficult to do their job. Meanwhile as mentioned, if you're keeping everyone alive it's not always the most thrilling of gaming elements, and it certainly isnt always the most thankful, even where a lot of the groups you join are to help people out.

But as an aside about Gaile chats/info in general -
Gaile, I still think it's really disappointing you guys haven't told us the # of character slots yet when we link accounts (skimp and you really lose a bunch of us :b), what the pre-order holds for items as it's out tomorrow, and what the CE has - can anyone there throw us a bone?? :sad:

[Archangel Raguil]

Others, however, are not so lucky, so rage quitting as Gaile recommended in the middle of a long mission, ie Thunderhead Keep or any of the Ring of Fire missions would be unproductive for the whole group.
In my monking experience, with a group that doesn't listen to mana needs, blames for deaths, or complains a lot, doesn't usually win. I personally have never quit because of one person, but I have quit when I was a in PUG with 2/8, or 3/8 idiots. I'm not talking only "doesn't know what to do" but "endangering the whole party repeatedly." I usually announce that I'm leaving due to certain players, and that I'll reform the party at a specific district, and invite the others to continue playing.

And I also agree with the fact that you guys don't understand where we are coming from, cause honestly, not to be rude or anything, you don't. Until you've played in our situations, with NOONE to back you up, no guild, no development team staff, etc, then noone can say that they know how we feel. I've been in that situation, and well, its not fun. Can you say endless hours of farming, cause you have noone else to do anything with since your friends quit GW and moved on to another game. Yea, not fun at all, so sorry again to be rude, next time you players wanna start an uprising, think of the people who are guildless and don't have anyone else to fall back on.
Are you seeing things from the other side? Because monks in the same situation as you can suffer far more. Sure, it's easier for monks to get a group, but does that assure that they'll be good? Heck no! I'd say that most of the time I play there's one person in the group to piss me off. As I stated earlier, that won't cause me to quit, but it sure doesn't mean I have to heal that person first!

Personally, henchmen on my other characters carried me through most of the game, so I'm not sure why people don't care to use them when they can't find monks. Granted, late game nearly requires real monks, but it requires regular players who can either do as their told, or cooperate. Playing should be a team effort, not pointing fingers at the monk. Although I think that perhaps charging gold for monk services seems ludicrous (you'd never catch me paying!) I do believe that the monks had a just cause, if not improper means.

In my honest opinion, all the monks, the person who started it and the people who agreed with it, were being very selfish. They were just thinking of themselves and how they felt, not of how the whole player population was gonna be affected by this. Why screw everyone in the game in one mission because one wammo decided to be a jerk and yell at a monk for not healing him when he charged forward? Hey, guess what man, get over it, its a game, just ignore him, don't rez him, UA him, whatever, but don't start a freakin uprising over the stupid issue.

Oh please! One "wammo"?! I can't believe the number of times I had idiots either screwing up the mission, not listening to instructions, drawing things on the radar, and insulting me, or a lot of people in the group. Personally I think that while striking, and charging money for heals is extreme, I do think the monk message has to be heard.

Their strike hardly destroyed the community, I think it might have raised community awareness. Their strike isn't forever, players will always be able to get monks. Personally I think problems like this is why there aren't as much monks as I'd like to have. And the funny thing is, a monk shortage leads to more monk abuse... it's just crazy...

[False Visage]

The issue is hardly that big, some people got annoyed at other people and Gaile commented on it. Rage quitting had been going on for ages before hand and will most likely continue to happen. Even I'VE done it a few times, but I'll avoid it in UW or FoW when I haven't had to contribute to the entry fee. Besides, there were plenty of Monks who weren't involved, after all I hadn't even heard about it until I read the log. Complaining about ideology on the Internet is fruitless in the end since everyone's different.

Oh, and about the pre-order I don't know. Maybe we should do some research and share the best results?

[Volgra]

Ok, I can relate to the monks and their problem. But, haveing a healer monk and haveing going throught all of the verbal abuse, there is one thing that i have realized. My Mesmer has gotten even more abuse then my monk has, it's sad, realy it is. I have no isea what would posses a person to say these thing to a player character. I dont know why the monks are making a comotion about not being loved, but it's the mesmers that should be getting some love. But, thats my lowly opinion.