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Eratimus
23-03-2006, 12:53
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GW: Factions BWE Lore Gathering
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Faction BWE is upon us, tonight for a matter of fact. While I know some of you will be going out with your guilds. If you do, can you please document EVERYTHING you see that can correspond to lore, this includes ALL Dialogue boxes, runes, glyphs, banners, symbols etc. This will help alot. Then please post all results here on the forums?
Also those who wish to go out as research teams, simply contact me when you log in. We will be doing the missions and quests as normal, but will also be screenshotting everything we see.
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Again, please document and post anything and everything you see in regards to the above. Thanks!
Yep gonna collect some info for you, and a question, do you want an article about the Wurms, its from my former Guild mate, but he wont protest if you publish it)
Eratimus
23-03-2006, 12:59
As I posted on our staff forums, as long as it is posted here for community scruttiny and on our staff forums and give it two weeks, then a final is submitted I have no problem in atleast looking at it. Again, as long as everything is backed by evidense :)
Quintus Antonius
23-03-2006, 18:18
The problem is, we will be completely dependant on screenshots until the end of April when Factions officially releases. No one will be able to go out and scrutinize findings for themselves, I for one, find this to a disaster waiting to happen. Can we properly collect data from a fragmented world? Remember, we only have like a fourth of the map open to exploring. Once our three day window passes, until April, it's anything goes with Faction lore. Scary thought, considering people often interpert things in many different ways, sometimes completely incorrectly. Without access to the rest of the world and to the areas we explore once the BWE ends, we will be up a creek without a paddle and misguided lore may get through as fact.
That said, I still encourage people to go out and explore, find lore, and discuss it here. The above was just a disclaimer. Make sure to back up anything you find in an absolute manner, exploring all possibilities, so that the scenario I just presented cannot happen. Screenshots, lots of screenshots, that's the ticket.
I don't often frequent the forums here, but I will take special care looking for lore related things when doing the missions. I'd be glad to help anytime.
teh Monkeys
23-03-2006, 18:39
If I can manage to pull my necro away from the assassin massacres in the arena, I'll see what I can do.
ShadowSword
23-03-2006, 20:13
I'll be happily looking for anything lorish. Might get me away from the rabid crowds shouting 'OMG LFG PVP!' that are sure to be there.
Barinthus
24-03-2006, 03:47
I'm so tempted to cut work tomorrow so I can do BWE. But I will head off to work and run immediately to my computer once I'm able to do so.
Quintus Antonius
24-03-2006, 04:07
Half-Day tomorrow, almost as if it was planned to coincide with the BWE. So, I'm looking forward to it.
Durza the Shadeking
24-03-2006, 04:11
I will try to find any runes-artwork that seem good.
Barinthus
24-03-2006, 07:01
;) I have a half day off tomorrow as well but again every Friday is a half day at my work :D
Eratimus
24-03-2006, 07:06
What or not we will have the full story to find, our mission is not t gether the story. Only to gather screenshots of objects, symbols etc. That is fine, and a step forward. We can only do things step by step with what access we will have.
Eratimus
24-03-2006, 07:08
again, no need to dedicate your time away from playing. I am just saying, if yous ee something, please screeny and post it after the BWE :)
Serena Corvidae
24-03-2006, 10:51
Here's some info from House zu Heltzer... interesting that the Kurzicks worship the old gods of Tyria...
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/jimmy230/Guild%20Wars/KurzickLore.jpg
I have taken screens of every peice of text I have encountered in the game so far, I'll try and get round to posting them, or a selection, when I'm done collecting them for tonight.
Lord Melvin
25-03-2006, 03:23
Here's some info from House zu Heltzer... interesting that the Kurzicks worship the old gods of Tyria...
All the resurrection shrines I've seen so far had a statue of one of the old gods.
I have a bunch of screens collected from the Luxon area so far, but I might not get around to posting anything until after the event
Ranger Nietzsche
25-03-2006, 09:02
i like this bit of info....the dredge seem to have escaped sorrows furnace...got this quest from a dredge in Ferndale...near a bunch of hostile dredges
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/954/dredgeplight3ob.th.png (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dredgeplight3ob.png)
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5636/lore7ta.th.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lore7ta.jpg)
Link to Bigger Picture:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5636/lore7ta.jpg
From the first title screen with her, she mentions "someone" from the Great Luxon Armada in which she is not privied to certain stories...
We need a translator for all the (don't know for sure) Chinese on all the flags around Cantha.
Rae Fenrir
27-03-2006, 13:03
There was mention of the Deldrimor Dwarves at one of the outpost in the southern part of the Jade Sea...
I'll have to check my screens when I get home.
Sounds Risky
28-03-2006, 01:07
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1397/elora7tm.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elora7tm.jpg)
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6537/hut7jl.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hut7jl.jpg)
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5936/jadebrotherhood8ks.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jadebrotherhood8ks.jpg)
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4346/luxon3ig.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=luxon3ig.jpg)
Sgilti Lightfoot
28-03-2006, 04:31
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1397/elora7tm.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elora7tm.jpg)
Not trying to knock your theory, Risky, since I only got to see a small portion of the preview, but Elora sounded more like on of the Luxon elders. I got this impression from the Defend the Halcyon quest, when Rion says something to the effect of, "You must be the one Elora told us about..."
It sounds like he has direct contact with her, and I doubt the Luxons communicate as personally with their gods as the Kurzicks do. But this is just my opinion :laugh: .
jciardha
28-03-2006, 04:43
Not that the Kurzicks are actually German, but they do seem to follow the historical naming conventions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von) of the German nobility. I don't recall seeing any NPCs with the "von" article anywhere, but "zu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zu)" was certainly common enough.
I was going to all of the Houses of Echovald in order to gather as much pertinent information as I could on the last night of the FPE (Factions Preview Event) to write a fan fiction story based on the political and personal lives of the rulers of the Houses and the members of the Kurzick nation. I gathered these tidbits of information, use them as you will:
Echovald Forest = Jade Forest = Petrified Forest
The Echolahr are a society dedicated to studying the effects of the Jade Wind on the forest and its creatures.
These are the five Kurzick Houses, their leader(s), specialties, patron God(dess), and mottos:
House zu Heltzer; Count zu Heltzer (and Rutger zu Heltzer); Study of thought, magic, and the arts; Dwayna; "The mind conquers all."
Durheim Archives; Duchess Sandra Durheim; Historians and scholars; Grenth; "The five true Gods teach us. Our ancestors guide us."
Vasburg Armory; Baroness Attia Vasburg; Warriors; Balthazar; "Battle is the most magnificent of all the true Gods' creations."
Brauer Academy; Count Archek Brauer; Sculptors and painters; Lyssa; "Beauty in everything. Everything in beauty."
Lutgardis Conservatory; Duke Holtz Lutgardis; Musicians; Melandru; "Music the voice of the five true Gods."
I am simply enthralled with the entire culture of the Kurzicks -- they encompass every aspect of a Renaissance lifestyle: Strength, beauty, knowledge, musical aptitude, and the personal composure required to keep oneself vigilant.
NOTE: I have extrapolated the assumption that all players are native of the House zu Heltzer as soon as the player becomes aligned to the Kurzick nation. This is evidenced by the fact that, through all the duels I fought with the other Houses outside Brauer academy, I never once fought the representatives from the zu Heltzers.
Sounds Risky
28-03-2006, 09:03
when Rion says something to the effect of, "You must be the one Elora told us about..."
Must have missed that bit.
Ranger Nietzsche
29-03-2006, 00:32
we've pretty much established that the kurzicks are definately germanic (at least for a large part)...but does anyone have any solid references toward the luxons?
there are a lot of nomadic cultures in the world and cultures with clans..so just identifying them that way is somewhat difficult...perhaps there is somethign in the nomenclature like with the kurzicks use of germanic syllables
Well, maybe they play FPS games online. They have clans, after all. :)
Seriously though... I would hesitate to say that the Luxons are nomadic since they are locked in a war with the Kurzicks and don't seem prone to giving up land that easily. Their names escape me at the moment, but I know certain cultures had clans (or tribes) that lived in a village together under the same central government. This, of course, is not specific to a few ancient cultures, as is it still in effect today even in first-world countries.
Quintus Antonius
29-03-2006, 14:15
Well, maybe they play FPS games online. They have clans, after all. :)
Seriously though... I would hesitate to say that the Luxons are nomadic since they are locked in a war with the Kurzicks and don't seem prone to giving up land that easily. Their names escape me at the moment, but I know certain cultures had clans (or tribes) that lived in a village together under the same central government. This, of course, is not specific to a few ancient cultures, as is it still in effect today even in first-world countries.
No, the Luxons are definetly nomadic, just not widely so. On the description for Cavalon, it mentions that hardly anyone lives there except during that coming together of the clans. It's obvious that the Luxons prefer to roam around, they just do it in a set area apparently. Still, your point is well taken, because since the Jade Wind, they haven't had much of a chance to be a nomad culture. Still, the nomadic mindset is there, and their culture appears to reflect that.
If I had to make a comparison, I'd say the clan structure is similar to what we see in ancient Scotland. They were nomadic, but still had "home" villages, and always looked for a chance to battle each other or a common enemy.
jciardha
29-03-2006, 23:12
If I had to make a comparison, I'd say the clan structure is similar to what we see in ancient Scotland. They were nomadic, but still had "home" villages, and always looked for a chance to battle each other or a common enemy.
Possibly. Also, noting the jewelry and some of the dress designs of the Luxons, it seems to be a blend of Indian (subcontinental) and Nepalese.
If anything, calling Cantha "Asian" is just as incorrect as calling all of Tyria "European," and disregarding the sub-Saharan/Caribbean influenced Krytans.
"Cantha" seems to break down on three artistic/cultural analogies to the "real world":
1) The City - a hybrid of Chinese and Japanese design (no, Chinese and Japanese architecture and art are not exactly alike!)
2) Luxons - Indian/Nepalese
3) Kurzick - Neogothic German, with a few touches of postmodernism
I'm probably totally off base, but that's just what I've observed thus far.
Quintus Antonius
30-03-2006, 00:36
Possibly. Also, noting the jewelry and some of the dress designs of the Luxons, it seems to be a blend of Indian (subcontinental) and Nepalese.
If anything, calling Cantha "Asian" is just as incorrect as calling all of Tyria "European," and disregarding the sub-Saharan/Caribbean influenced Krytans.
"Cantha" seems to break down on three artistic/cultural analogies to the "real world":
1) The City - a hybrid of Chinese and Japanese design (no, Chinese and Japanese architecture and art are not exactly alike!)
2) Luxons - Indian/Nepalese
3) Kurzick - Neogothic German, with a few touches of postmodernism
I'm probably totally off base, but that's just what I've observed thus far.
No, I'd certainly say you are right in your assessment of their cultural influences.
The Luxons are very similar to Oceania wave-faring tribes that settled most of the Pacific Ocean's islands and still inhabit many, but they seem to also be influenced by the cultural examples of groups such as the Samurai, and Saxons (and of course, the Klingons, look at how they talk!).
No, I'd certainly say you are right in your assessment of their cultural influences.
The Luxons are very similar to Oceania wave-faring tribes that settled most of the Pacific Ocean's islands and still inhabit many, but they seem to also be influenced by the cultural examples of groups such as the Samurai, and Saxons (and of course, the Klingons, look at how they talk!).
Now that I know you watch Star Trek (in which I will take no part, thank you very much) that answers a lot of questions I had about you. ;)
A note about the Luxons... It would seem, from your conclusions, that they are not people to let old ways of life die. Even as their sea was frozen and boats rendered unusable, they refuse to acknowledge its loss and continue treating their surroundings as though they were surrounded by a vast ocean. Also, I would assume that having roaming nomadic tribes would not be helpful in fighting a war on a set battle line. A country would have to devote all its resources to fighting an enemy who are their equals (whether they choose to acknowledge that said country is their equal, though, is up to their egos).
jciardha
30-03-2006, 05:12
(and of course, the Klingons, look at how they talk!).
jIyaj
Anyway, I don't think the Luxons have any particular analogy with any nomadic Earth culture. Sure, they may seem Polynesian, but similar comparisons could also be made with the Vikings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings).
Xunlai Agent
30-03-2006, 14:32
I think Kurzicks can easily but labeled but as pointed out above the Luxons are nowhere near as easy to identify or compare with anyone. They seem to be a mix of an oceanic tribe and nomads...
Quintus Antonius
31-03-2006, 00:52
jIyaj
Anyway, I don't think the Luxons have any particular analogy with any nomadic Earth culture. Sure, they may seem Polynesian, but similar comparisons could also be made with the Vikings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings).
I didn't mean the literal Klingon language. I meant the manner of speech, harsh, rough, and with what can only be described as rage. They always say things like "Today is a good day to die!" and the like. Battle is a highly valued thing in that culture, and their speech mannerisms and lifestyle reflect that.
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