With Kurzick and Luxon warring, where does the nation of Cantha stand?

[Bananko]

Is Cantha guarding its borders heavily and turning back refugees or are they welcoming said refugees with open arms? Does Cantha look to mediate a peace between the two warring nations, will it exploit its neighbors or will it simply sit quietly and wait for the war's outcome? :huh:

Inquiring minds want to know. :wink:

[Scutilla]

From what I've seen in the FPE, Cantha wants peace between the Kurzicks and the Luxons so that they can unite against Shiro's army. At the beginning of the FPE you are asked to travel to one of the two nations and gain their trust so you can ask them to help Cantha fight Shiro.

[Flav]

Just a little question that's a little off the topic of the original poster, but was brought to my attention after reading this post: Are there Canthan armors(not the Kurzick or Luxon) beside the starting armor that you can craft? I did not play the FPE vigorously so I may have missed that.

[Rastapopolous]

The Canthan people are traders, with an open war at their doorstep...

This should pose an excellent arms deal opportunity, but under the given circumstances i think Scutilla is right.

I sure hope for some interesting plot twists, regarding the canthan side in this matter, though...

[Findariel]

Yes I'm curious too. In the PVE I've seen a starter set, 1.5k and 15k Kurzick and Luxon sets, but no "general" set. I missed one the sets shown in some preview threads, and it's likely that that will be the "neutral" Canthan set (for mesmers: the Masquerade armour set).

Haven't seen many non-factionists, although the marketplace/harbour may as well have been in neutral Canthan (Xunlai?) territory.

[Bananko]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Shiro Tagachi and his current threat upon Cantha. :shocked:

It would seem that without him in the equation, Cantha could simply profit from the Kurzick-Luxon war... but now, Cantha needs those two nations as allies rather than tearing each other apart.

[shadow the hero]

a question? has the emperor that is on the throne right now, does the nations obey him like the old one?

[Xavier Cinderwood]

Here is my thought I believe that Kurzicks and Luxons are only two of the people who make up the world of Cantha. Just like in GW:P you had in Ascalon those who sided with the King and and those who sided with Prince Rurik. Once you left Ascalon you had dwarves, druids, desert nomads, a cult, etc. So I think that though the focus is on Kurzick and Luxon there are many peoples within Cantha and that Cantha would like them to temporarily have peace to deal with the problem at hand which is that threat from Shiro Tagachi. I submit that there will be specific quests dealing with the fight between Kurzick and Luxon however I believe that quests from non Kurzick/Luxon groups to try and from a peace will also be an avenue one can take.

[Quintus Antonius]

Rule of Acquisition #34: War is good for business!

Rule of Acquisition #127: Stay neutral in conflict so that you can sell supplies to both sides.

[jciardha]

Rule of Acquisition #34: War is good for business!

Rule of Acquisition #127: Stay neutral in conflict so that you can sell supplies to both sides.

Rule of Acquisition #35: Peace is good for business

Rule of Acquisition #10: A dead customer can't buy as much as a live one.

[Quintus Antonius]

Rule of Aquisition #2: The best deal is the one that brings the most profit.

Rule of Aquisition #162: Even in the worst of times, someone turns a profit.

(Isn't RoA #10 "Greed is Eternal"?)

On a side note, seeing as this is a topic discussing the interactions of cultures and political and social ramifications of in-game events with no apparent ties to real life gameplay situations, shouldn't this topic be moved to the Lore Forum?

[Bananko]

a question? has the emperor that is on the throne right now, does the nations obey him like the old one?

That's a good question.

My guess is that they don't, but I honestly have no idea.

[Bananko]

Here is my thought I believe that Kurzicks and Luxons are only two of the people who make up the world of Cantha. Just like in GW:P you had in Ascalon those who sided with the King and and those who sided with Prince Rurik. Once you left Ascalon you had dwarves, druids, desert nomads, a cult, etc. So I think that though the focus is on Kurzick and Luxon there are many peoples within Cantha and that Cantha would like them to temporarily have peace to deal with the problem at hand which is that threat from Shiro Tagachi. I submit that there will be specific quests dealing with the fight between Kurzick and Luxon however I believe that quests from non Kurzick/Luxon groups to try and from a peace will also be an avenue one can take.

That's a great idea, one that Anet would be wise to use in Factions quests (whether initially or added to the game later one). :smiley:

[Bananko]

ROn a side note, seeing as this is a topic discussing the interactions of cultures and political and social ramifications of in-game events with no apparent ties to real life gameplay situations, shouldn't this topic be moved to the Lore Forum?

Not really, since this can all affect initial and future Factions quests, which would definitely affect real life gameplay.

[PrometheusG]

I must be bonkers, but I thought Cantha was just the name of the continent like Tyria. I thought Kurzickistan and Luxonburg were the two human nations inhabiting it, like Kryta and Ascalon.

So there is a nation named Cantha? Where is that info stated? I never paid much attention to the story because it was all just preview material...

[Rastapopolous]

I must be bonkers, but I thought Cantha was just the name of the continent like Tyria. I thought Kurzickistan and Luxonburg were the two human nations inhabiting it, like Kryta and Ascalon.

So there is a nation named Cantha? Where is that info stated? I never paid much attention to the story because it was all just preview material...

Not a Nation maybe, but the City of Cantha is a Faction like Luxon and Kurzick.
The Xunlai Agents are from there and maybe the Zaishen too.

[Quintus Antonius]

I must be bonkers, but I thought Cantha was just the name of the continent like Tyria. I thought Kurzickistan and Luxonburg were the two human nations inhabiting it, like Kryta and Ascalon.

So there is a nation named Cantha? Where is that info stated? I never paid much attention to the story because it was all just preview material...

Tyria is the name of the continent in Prophecies but is also the name of the planet where everything takes place.

Cantha is the name of the continent Factions takes place on, but is also the name of the (so far) neutral merchant nation on the continent.

Here is a small diagram:

I. Tyria:
A. Tyria
1. Ascalon
2. Kryta
3. Orr
B. Cantha
1. Cantha
2. Kurzick
3. Luxon

[Garreth MacLeod]

<snip>... however I believe that quests from non Kurzick/Luxon groups to try and from a peace will also be an avenue one can take.
There were two during the FPE. One took you to the Luxon city and one took you to the Kurzick city. They were given by an NPC in the marketplace.

[Bananko]

Tyria is the name of the continent in Prophecies but is also the name of the planet where everything takes place.

Cantha is the name of the continent Factions takes place on, but is also the name of the (so far) neutral merchant nation on the continent.

Here is a small diagram:

I. Tyria:
A. Tyria
1. Ascalon
2. Kryta
3. Orr
B. Cantha
1. Cantha
2. Kurzick
3. Luxon

Quite correct, and such dual-naming conventions isn't even that unprecedented (http://forums.gwonline.net/showpost.php?p=3996774&postcount=16) in the real world. :cool:

[Bananko]

I wonder how the war on Cantha will also affect the nations on the continent (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=392846) that'll be introduced in Chapter 3. :huh:

[Quintus Antonius]

I wonder how the war on Cantha will also affect the nations on the continent (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=392846) that'll be introduced in Chapter 3. :huh:

Somehow I'm guessing that whatever the nation/continent we are to see in Chapter 3, will probably be introduced in a similar fashion to the Xunali Agents in Chapter 1. In other words, there will be a few obscure NPCs and maybe a few lines of text.

[Bananko]

Somehow I'm guessing that whatever the nation/continent we are to see in Chapter 3, will probably be introduced in a similar fashion to the Xunali Agents in Chapter 1. In other words, there will be a few obscure NPCs and maybe a few lines of text.

That would be rather interesting. :smiley:

I wonder if such agents from the Chapter 3 continent will eventually make their way to Tyria as well as to Cantha. :huh:

[Rastapopolous]

That would be rather interesting. :smiley:

I wonder if such agents from the Chapter 3 continent will eventually make their way to Tyria as well as to Cantha. :huh:

Maybe we already saw one of these Agents...

Talon FTW!!!111

:laugh:

[Quintus Antonius]

Maybe we already saw one of these Agents...

Talon FTW!!!111

:laugh:

He makes a very valid point. Consider we have yet to see any other friendly Tengu, who knows? Think of all the Canthans in Tyria, before they added anything relating to Factions, there were quite a few. I almost guarentee the same will happen, aluding to Chapter 3.

[Gordon Michael]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Shiro Tagachi and his current threat upon Cantha. :shocked:

It would seem that without him in the equation, Cantha could simply profit from the Kurzick-Luxon war... but now, Cantha needs those two nations as allies rather than tearing each other apart.

Well the Luxon and Kurzick nations are semi-autonomous vassal states of Cantha, both theoretically owing fealty to the emperor, so it's technically a civil war. Every Luxon or Kurzick who dies in the war is a Luxon or Kurzick who can't buy any Canthan goods, pay any taxes or defend the continent against monsters or foreign invaders. War profiteering has huge payoffs in the short term, and I wouldn't be surprised if Cantha sold weapons to every side in the conflict, but a long, drawn-out war is a huge drain on resources and extremely bad for trade in general. I don't think any Canthan besides arms merchants, bandits, mercenaries and the churches of Balthazar and Grenth would want the war to continue, even without Shiro Tagachi in the picture.