NEDERLANDSE SERVERS(dutch servers)

[Obi Pete Kenobi]

Ja, de Nederlanders willen hun eigen forum.

To Arenanet developers:

The last couple of days there has been an increasing number of Dutch players demanding a Dutch server, or (if possible) a Benelux server. This would greatly increase the fun and it will make it lots easier for Dutch players to find other Dutch players. Also, we find it weird that Italy DOES have it's own server even while there are only around 6(!) players online all the time. There are lots more Dutch people and i'm sure the servers will be used alot. Please do not immediatly discard this suggestion, but see if it can be done. You would make several thousands of (Dutch) Guild Wars players happy.

Alle nederlanders teken hier met /signed in je post!

[netniwk]

/getekend
al is mijn account down :cry:

[Obi Pete Kenobi]

Dat is jammer. Thx for your support!

[Dhuum]

/signed we really need one now the desperate ones are taking trade channels over xD

[Tarew]

I've been trying to convince Arenanet to do this for ages but then again they do have more pressing matters to attend to.
Point is there are more Dutch people playing Guild Wars than Italian or Spanish (their districts even in the most popular cities, let alone the mission areas, are often near-empty) people so yes it would make sense for us to get our own server.

/signed

[Spanks]

I agree, it's annoying all these Dutch and other Foreign language speaking people spamming English servers.

Dont mean to rant but if you guys need to talk in your native tongue to each other, could you at least whisper or form a team, as not everyone really wants to see gobledegook spamming the screen.

There's enough of that as it is...

[deadly clone]

Helemaal mee eens :D we zouden een eigen server moeten krijge ^^

[Sir Jack]

First off, I think most of those posts can get deleted for not being English.
Translating to prevent deletion:

Ja, de Nederlanders willen hun eigen forum.

Yes, the Dutch want their own Forum (sidenote from me: Don't forget the Flemish)

/getekend
al is mijn account down
/signed
even though my account is down

Helemaal mee eens :D we zouden een eigen server moeten krijge ^^
Totally agree :D we should get our own server.

Second, as a Belgian player, I haven't seen a lot of other Belgians in the game, more Dutch than Belgians anyway. I do not think we'll be getting our own district though, since the available districts are for languages the game is translated in.
In order for us to get our own server, ANet would have to translate both GW:P and GW: F to Dutch. Also, to be automatically transported to the Dutch districts, we'd have to set the language to Dutch. I for one would rather not hear Rurik scream "Bij Balthasar's baard, Rin Brandt!" (By Balthasar's Beard, Rin burns), seeing as a lot of games translated to Dutch tend to be rather silly to play (Burnout Revenge...God I hate it every time words appear on screen).

Lastly, the Spanish and Italian servers have few players because they're going to the English District as well (since their servers are empty, it's a vicious circle). It wouldn't be long before the Dutch community would go back to the English districts because the amount of people on those servers is rather limited as well.

Personaly, I wouldn't care if there was a Dutch district, I might visit it from time to time to see if there are other Belgians playing, but I'd keep my game in English.
I guess that counts as a /signed...

[Dark Bartjuh]

zou ckers vet zijn NL districts^^

/signet

[Arriyan]

Yep, even in my guild there are 5!! dutch people from the 20 new members. :laugh:

/sign!

[The Real Dio Around Here]

and soon we will need servers for polish people etc etc....you must undertsnad that new servers cost anet money, allthough i dont know how it works precise as everything here is instanced...for my part the internet is dominated by the english tongue....and let keep it that way....english is the world language and the internet is where the people come together of the world....i mean if you are able to speak english then why not speak english instead of being lazy and asking fro your own home languaged server....im just saying that how everything now is fine....and if one person wants a cookie...then soon there will be more people at the door of anet for a cookie....

[TeeBeeNZ]

The European server is in Frankfurt and on the same trunk line as you guys, if you got a server there the only change would be NCSoft wasting a million+ bucks for nothing.

[Don Zardeone]

/Not signed

1. You guys are forced to learn english in school. If your school/gov is doing a good job then your english should be quite fluent and you should be able to use it actively. (The system and gov is complete crap so if ANet wants to help mankind, it will keep the Dutch on the English districts X.x)

My reasoning makes sense if you think about it for a while...

2. There aren't enough players in the english euro servers anymore.
I need to pay people to come do quests and missions with me because the towns are EMPTY (afkers don't count)


In fact, remove the german districts and send them to english too.
In school, they have the option to learn English so it should work.

A funny thing is though, Germans think English is really cool. They have all kind of weird names for everyhting.

Runners = Rusher
Henchies = NPC
"Your mom is blabla" = FOOL (yeah, fool O.o)
And when you go to temple of ages, they all want you to use ts or ventrilo for some odd reason....

Grab the spanish, italian and french districts and merge those.
Afaik, french kids have to study either italian or spanish, depending on their location in france.
This means that their ability to form a full party will raise with about 33-50%

[Ora]

In fact, remove the german districts and send them to english too.
In school, they have the option to learn English so it should work.



Have you been playing Factions recently ? There are more ppl playing in the German districts than in the English ones...
If the trend continues, GW:3 will be supplied with a bonus German language course CD :laugh:
More often than ever before I find myself in German PuG's..
So howabout getting rid of the English districts ? Afterall, German is offered in schools, too ? :wink:

Besides, we already have teh server...pwned !

The European server is in Frankfurt

[Aikawa]

Bad idea. Why would you want to keep people form other countries out? Im dutch but I would NEVER play in a dutch district in any game. The majority of the dutch players speak english rather well so if language isnt the problem then what is exactly?. Im used to chatting and playng in english, even whisping in dutch feels odd which rarely happends.

I like the multi cultural nature of the english districts, being able to meet people from around everywhere. However the weird language spam does get anoying. Why is it so hard to talk the language of the district people are in? I think its rude to do speak languages others dont understand while you are able to talk in the local language.

This has been brought up several times around august last year but dont get your hopes up. Yes the dutch community is fairly large but there is really no need for a dutch server. I'd imagine it will only be populated by the younger people who dont speak anything but dutch and nationalists. Could do without em just fine :/

Aikawa

[Findariel]

Tegen. Kijk naar de duitse/franse/italiaans en spaanse districts .. allemaal vrij leeg. Ik zie het nut er niet van in de europese populatie nog meer te versplinteren.

(Against. Look at the german/french/italian and spanish districts .. all quite empty. I don't see the use of scattering the european population even more.)

[Lady Rhonwyn]

I agree, it's annoying all these Dutch and other Foreign language speaking people spamming English servers.

Dont mean to rant but if you guys need to talk in your native tongue to each other, could you at least whisper or form a team, as not everyone really wants to see gobledegook spamming the screen.

There's enough of that as it is...
/not signed.

I wouldn't go to any Dutch servers, even if they where there... For me, the attraction of GW is meeting people from all over the world. But, in response to the post above: what if you've a group of people, let's say 10, that are just chatting with each other. You can't form a group then. And you can't go to your own language district because you don't have one. So, what you're saying is, those people can never talk to bigger groups. Or they must talk in a language they might not be completely comfortable with. And, yes, we do get English at an early age, but that doesn't mean you can really express yourself in English. (But then, most of them can't really express themselves in Dutch either... :shocked: )

[Anthrax]

Niet mee eens !

I'm in an 10 Guild alliance, only dutch players, called " Astaroth Knights ", with each guild consisting of 50+ players, and i see more dutch people every day :rolleyes:, HOWEVER, if all the dutch people move to a dutch server, we'll miss up on so much more people you will never see in those servers, would be a shame !

[Silivren]

/Not signed

There are many Dutch playing GW, agreed, but adding a server just for that isn't needed in my opinion. Besides, I doubt any dutch players have major difficulty with talking/writing english...

[Saelfaer]

Second, as a Belgian player, I haven't seen a lot of other Belgians in the game, more Dutch than Belgians anyway. I do not think we'll be getting our own district though, since the available districts are for languages the game is translated in.

*this post is in no single way meant to hurt or exaggeration to the dutch people as a whole, if i mention 'most, or lot of dutch people' i do not mean ALL dutch people are like that...

let me explain something, i know several belgian 'dutch speaking' players
however they tend to stay in the background because they do what is asked from them they speak english since they play on an english district

which cannot be said from several of those dutch people, im sorry if you are a dutch player that does play by the rules, but i tend to see lots of dutch people that are just flooding their dutch language over those public channels, and if you however mention something about it (formal notice, no flames e.g. 'please guys, can you speak english, this is an english district after all..)
you get answers like these
'waar moei jij je mee boer, ik doe hier wat ik wil'
translation: don't stick your nose in others business *****, im doin what i want here'
or
'ga dan gewoon ergens anders rondhange, zoek jezelf een ander district'
translation: then go hang around some place else, go to some other district

not even polite enough to give the answer in english.
and doin this will not get you your own district, anyway if there comes a dutch district which i dont think there will be one ever, but if there comes one i will gladly stay on the english districts since everyone i play with on regular basis, friends and guild are international, so well stay in english.
that said i dont really need a dutch district, since i find it strange that people always want to talk in their own language. when im online i usually switch to english and stay with it, never felt the urge to start talking dutch, not even to dutch speaking guildies, we always keep it in english....

[Serendipity]

Most of the time there is more German and French districts than the English one on any given outpost.

Time to suppress the English district I guess !

[Rob Van Der Sloot]

/niet mee eens

I think the English servers are fine as it is. I know that there are a lot of Dutch players, but they all speak english perfectly. No reason add a server for them.

[Saelfaer]

The European server is in Frankfurt and on the same trunk line as you guys, if you got a server there the only change would be NCSoft wasting a million+ bucks for nothing.

thread was not really meant for Server per se,
they want their own districts, not their own server they stay on the european server but in dutch districts

bad idea in my opinion.

[PukingDog]

It would be a nice ad on.
Im happy with the english servers, but wouldnt say no to a dutch server 8)

/signed Pukingdog aka Miss Felony

[DarkY]

this was already sugested when they added the italian servers etc.
We dutch people really need our own server, with our belgium friends ( :p )

In every online game, the dutch (and german) are the ones with most players and then come italian etc..

[Stranger The Ranger]

Niet mee eens

Ik vind t wel iets hebbe, dat je mensen uit allemaal verschillende landen tegenkomt en mee bevriend raakt. Ik vind het niet echt nodig. Er zijn genoeg Nederlandse guilds waar je Nederlands kan praten en om hulp kan vragen.

___________________


I Disagree

I think its nice that you meet all kinds of people from other countries, and become friends with them. I dont think we need a Dutch District, there are plenty of Dutch Guilds where you can talk Dutch and ask guildies for help.

/not signed

[Loquetus]

/not signed
i'm flemish (belgian) and i don't really see a point in having a dutch server
hard enough to get a group already no need to split the english server up some more

[nibor]

/not signed.

Most Dutch people can speak English reasonable well. I don't mind playing
with people from the other countries in Europe if they can speak english well enough.

Though it is strange there are Italian and Spanish districts, since I really think there a lot more Dutch (and people from Belgium) players.

If you like do missions and quests while speaking Dutch, you should join one of the Dutch guilds.

Short summary in Dutch:

niet mee eens :P

[chirthain]

Niet mee eens!

If you move the dutch to an apart server, there will be too many servers for too less ppl. Its nice to meet ppl from other countries...
And why do u want a server for yourself? The dutch can write and talk english very well, so why do u wanna move? cuz you wanna speak dutch instead of english?

[vault_dweller]

/not signed

I'm from Belgium myself and even though it's hard to find some more countrymen ingame, I'd avoid the dutch districts like the plague :laugh:

[roelke]

/ signed, way to may dutch :) onder meer ik zelf

[the ettins kiss]

don't care either way.
I never found any need for a dutch server.
However in theses posts, I see a number of Britts describing my language like its some kind of puke, witch makes a dutch server very attractive!
Although i rarely talk in the ALL chat in dutch (perhaps 2% of the time).
When I do talk in dutch, it doesn't concern you Britts.
And dont even go there by saying without us you would be speaking German today. The UK has been actively force feeding their language on other peoples for 400 years or so. It is actually a sad thing that the english language is rewarded for being so agressive against other languages.
end of rant, now i will likely be flamed, but that only proves my point.

[Draggie]

Not agreed

I even hate to see the spanish italian or whatever districts. I even ignore em complete.
I use the english districts, since you need as many ppl *** posible. Sure, Asc, LA and drok are well crowed but all other towns??

second, there is an internatinal district, if you wanne talk in a certain language go sit there. These districts are used only for this and if you want to join ppl on other servers like korea, us etc.

So in short, english and internatinal districts in EUrope is ;ore the enough for me.

For the record, I'm dutch speaking from Belgium. And yes occasionally I talk in dutch on general chat. But only is I see dutch ppl to have a little fun.
What goes for flaming dutch ppl. Common ppl. flamers enough in english asswell. Small percentage of bad apples you have to ingnore. Afteral you are on the internet.

[bele]

/not Signed

I'm Spanish and never play in Spain. They are always empty.

I usually play in either in English or German servers

Actually i'd do the opposite and go back to Euro 1..n

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

/NOT signed..

Even though I am Dutch myself, I don't see the need for it. Dutch gamers are like Dutch people on holiday, they refuse to speak english and think they are godlike beings. Last thing we need to do is confirm that thought by giving them their own districts.

[sir lockt]

/not signed

Being a dutch player myself, I think its just nice to be in the english districts. I am certain a major amount of dutch payers are around in GW (certainly more then Italian), as you have seen in other multiplayer games, the dutch are well represented, even in absolute numbers.

The nice thing about GW is meeting players from different countries, I really like that, so I will stay in english disses and speak english there.

I think its plain rude of some dutch ppl to even post dutch in here. So pls keep it english.

[Arcanum]

I can't agree with that (about the Dutch Servers, not about other posts).
I'm a Dutchy myself (and so are several players in my guild, also some Flemish players), but we all use English in the Guildchat and such. Since there are a lot more non-dutch players in the guild and we can all use English well enough to understand what everyone is typing/saying. The only times I use Dutch when playing GW is in PM's to friends / Guildies (Dutch or Flemish) and when the entire party is Dutch / Flemish. Otherwise English is the standard, since in my opinion there are a lot more non-dutch-speaking players around then duch-speaking players.

I also agree on the fact that we shouldn't spread out the players even more. I've always played on the English Servers and there have been times when I would enter a certain outpost and it was completely empty.

I also don't like it when people are using languages other then English in the English Districts, especially when they're flaming to eachother. In the past I bothered about it and tried to tell people to use English but I've given up about that.

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

*this post is in no single way meant to hurt or exaggeration to the dutch people as a whole, if i mention 'most, or lot of dutch people' i do not mean ALL dutch people are like that...

let me explain something, i know several belgian 'dutch speaking' players
however they tend to stay in the background because they do what is asked from them they speak english since they play on an english district

which cannot be said from several of those dutch people, im sorry if you are a dutch player that does play by the rules, but i tend to see lots of dutch people that are just flooding their dutch language over those public channels, and if you however mention something about it (formal notice, no flames e.g. 'please guys, can you speak english, this is an english district after all..)
you get answers like these
'waar moei jij je mee boer, ik doe hier wat ik wil'
translation: don't stick your nose in others business *****, im doin what i want here'
or
'ga dan gewoon ergens anders rondhange, zoek jezelf een ander district'
translation: then go hang around some place else, go to some other district

not even polite enough to give the answer in english.
and doin this will not get you your own district, anyway if there comes a dutch district which i dont think there will be one ever, but if there comes one i will gladly stay on the english districts since everyone i play with on regular basis, friends and guild are international, so well stay in english.
that said i dont really need a dutch district, since i find it strange that people always want to talk in their own language. when im online i usually switch to english and stay with it, never felt the urge to start talking dutch, not even to dutch speaking guildies, we always keep it in english....


aah, that pretty much sums up my thoughts.. It's been like that for ages, and it's the same in any game.

[Pedaalemmerzak]

Nice to see my fellow Dutchmen making complete and utter ***es out of themselves in this thread. Always makes my day -_-

I don't really care whether there would be Dutch districts in-game or not, but I won't be using them when they are.

/not signed

[Mindblowing madness]

/signet

for somme dutch people it would be nice to have this.
I know for sure that there are so many dutch GW players out there far more then players from other countrys who do have their own districts (like italie)

I think the reason why we don't have our own districts is couse we are such a damn little county and most dutch people are so good in english that we don't realy need it. But for the people who have problems writing in english it would be nice to have our own districs and looking at the amount of dutch players it would be logical for A-net to create a dutch district in every town.

Dutch FTW :D

[Amorphist]

/ not signed

I'm pretty pro the fact that online gaming communities are as international as possible. Dutchies are well able to understand/write English, and if you can't then you are too young to play this game anyways. If you want to be with Dutchies, just join a Dutch guild.

The French and German should be ashamed that they persist in playing local and refuse to join the international community.

[Zooz]

/signed

It's hard to see how many Dutch there are because they usually blend in very well with the others in the English district. I think it's mainly because most of them know English very well. I think there are a lot more than most people notice, like in many games. They're just hiding :grin:

[Lady Rhonwyn]

But for the people who have problems writing in english it would be nice to have our own districs and looking at the amount of dutch players it would be logical for A-net to create a dutch district in every town.
Nobody cares if you type correct English sentences... I know most Americans and English never do... As long as people understand each other, mistakes aren't frowned upon. And if you feel your English isn't that good, you can say so, and people will understand. I'm fluent in English (I've stayed in the States for a year as an exchange student and use English daily during work), but there are also phrases I don't know. Just don't be afraid to ask! Especially in-game phrases like brb and afk.

I can understand if you ask something in {some language}, because you don't know how to say it in English, but {some language} conversations within in non-{some language}-only group is just not done. It's rude and causes people, like some that posted here in this thread, to be against {some language}.

[Ealdrin Odarion]

/signed

for sure
cker wete

[Hiero]

/not signed

As a dutchy myself, I really don't see the need for a Dutch district. Even if such a district existed I wouldn't visit it.

[gonzonl]

Note: I did not read all five pages so at the risk of repeating anything said before, i'll carry on with my post now.

/(so) not-signed

Forum: There is a dutch Guild Wars forum. I believe the policy of gwo is that I can't link to other fansites, so use google, search for guild wars and set it to dutch only.

Server: No way one country (or even three combined) is getting it's own server, australia (and the oceanic region for that matter) doesn't even have their own server. So why should we dutchies get one. So I'll presume you'll mean a language district. Which moves me to the next point.

District: I could see the use of this, just to keep the dutch from talking dutch in the English district with no regard to the rest of the district. I would love to see them in their own district. I for one won't be going to the dutch district. I love playing with an international player base and the common dutchie knows enough English to manage themselves. I think these districts will be so less populated that you won't find a team in it. In a common mission there are two, maybe three dutchies at the same time in Euro English 1. As far as I know you need 6-8 people for a mission unless you're playing in Ascalon.
You can bring up the point why german, french and italian get one and we don't. Well, I don't know if you've ever teamed up with people from those districts (they do come to english when they're own district is empty) but most of them don't even speak a word English. Thanks to Guild Wars I've learned to type "In English please" in French.

My suggestion, join a dutch guild. Go to above said dutch forum and guilds like [LL] [LLT] [GotG] and several other dutch guilds have a recruitment forum.

[Ashen Sukhur]

/signed

Ik zit in een guild met allemaal nederlanders (The Ancient Samurais), en we hebben een Alliance met iets van 6 andere nederlandse guilds.

translation:
I'm in a guild with all Dutch people (The Ancient Samurais), and we have an Alliance with about 6 other Dutch Guilds

[Amorphist]

/signed
translation:
I'm in a guild with all Dutch people (The Ancient Samurais), and we have an Alliance with about 6 other Dutch Guilds

So why would you want a Dutch District? What would it add to your alliance channel?

[EagleEye812]

I hate dividing people up on guildwars, it's not like there's that much GW players to begin with... Don't add more districts!
I speak Dutch, but I have no problem speaking English in games to improve communication.
NOT signed.

[The Real Dio Around Here]

some people are just greedy....or jealous over the germans....well anyway from the looks of all posts i think that the majority voted NO....the right descision....the internet is the WORLD!....

één ding begrijp ik niet....waarom elle nederlander in eens nederlands ging praten hier.....waht heeft het voor nut bedoel ik maar....

P.S. im no dutchy nor a Belg....its just happens that i speak lots of diffrent languages....it gives me a great advantage on the internet :grin:

[Lady Rhonwyn]

some people are just greedy....or jealous over the germans....well anyway from the looks of all posts i think that the majority voted NO....the right descision....the internet is the WORLD!....

één ding begrijp ik niet....waarom elle nederlander in eens nederlands ging praten hier.....waht heeft het voor nut bedoel ik maar....

P.S. im no dutchy nor a Belg....its just happens that i speak lots of diffrent languages....it gives me a great advantage on the internet :grin:
That's what I was wondering also...

I find myself typing in English, even when on PM to another Dutch person...

And, I must correct your spelling (sorry):

I asume you made a typing error with elle (shoud be alle), but "ging" should be "gingen" and "nederlander" "Nederlands" and "waht" should be "wat"... And "bedoel ik maar" is a very, very literal translation...

But, nice work! I know Dutch isn't a very easy language to learn, a lot of exceptions...

But what you said isn't correct, not everybody started talking in Dutch... I didn't...

[The Real Dio Around Here]

the waht was a side effect of my english typos....i allways make a typo out of What.....im just more used to type english then dutch online....but who cares if i can undertsand all what you guys are saying (insert evil laugh here)...its all about undertsanding...and elle was a typo aswell as i ment elke....but typos are a normal thing with me.....and who cares about typos...its all about understanding each other.....in the end.....we all understand each well in english......so no more diffrent language districts....

[Obi Pete Kenobi]

So? I have read ALL the posts, and I would say that like...well, maybe half of the players would like a Dutch DISTRICT, which was actually what I meant from the start. I'd say: make a Dutch District for 1 week, and see if they are used.
If they are, keep them!

[Calynda Danyciar]

/signed i would love to have Dutch server =D

[Ate of DK]

Have you been playing Factions recently ? There are more ppl playing in the German districts than in the English ones...



I'm almost never in the English districts... I'm in the German ones too (or International). I have also always been in a German-Guild so far.

/not signed
In Dutch schools you learn English and German. It doesn't harm to speak another language. I think it's actualy cool in the world of MMORPG to meet people from other countries and being able to talk with them.

[Zero Tolerance]

I agree, it's annoying all these Dutch and other Foreign language speaking people spamming English servers.

Dont mean to rant but if you guys need to talk in your native tongue to each other, could you at least whisper or form a team, as not everyone really wants to see gobledegook spamming the screen.

There's enough of that as it is...

Exactly. Or just go to international, thats what its for.

[gonzonl]

After some idiocy at the marketplace, I change my /not-signed

/signed: Please give the dutch their own district, I've seen what it will become (one big flamefest) and I am glad to keep it in a district where I don't have to look at it.

[duelster]

i fully agree mi guild is 100% dutch

/signed

I'm almost never in the English districts... I'm in the German ones too (or International). I have also always been in a German-Guild so far.

/not signed
In Dutch schools you learn English and German. It doesn't harm to speak another language. I think it's actualy cool in the world of MMORPG to meet people from other countries and being able to talk with them.

yeah but when there is a dutch district i wouldn't men that dutch players inmediatly go to that district

[Lady Rhonwyn]

yeah but when there is a dutch district i wouldn't men that dutch players inmediatly go to that district
But hopefully those people that only want to talk Dutch will. And we have the English districts for the English speaking population...

The problem is, most don't even know how to spell correctly...

[Findariel]

In Dutch schools you learn English and German.
Wel since GW is 13+, you can´t expect everyone to be a fluent speaker/writer of foreign languages. Add to that people who left school 20 years ago and never used the language since. I had german for 4 years but I can hardly write one flawless sentence in german anymore :huh:

My main reason not to have dutch servers is that the population already is dispersed among so many outposts and zones and that will be increasingly worse with the release of more chapters.
And, in spite of what I wrote before, most dutch do speak/write english rather fluently. It's not that hard to find an all-dutch guild either, everytime I'm in LA there's a "nederlandse guild zoekt nieuwe leden, belgen ook welkom" spam.

I do think though that people could be a bit more tolerant if people in the english district (that actuallly is a euro district without french and germans) chat in another language than english. I see polish, cz, finnish and whatever languages coming by and personally, I don't mind that at all. Always gives me the feeling it's dwarvish, elvish, or whatever ;)

[Cérilia]

Ok first thanks to all who translated their posts... GWO is an English forum and any post not in English from now on will be deleted.

The French and German should be ashamed that they persist in playing local and refuse to join the international community.
Sorry but I feel no shame about that! In fact I'm very happy to play in French. Playing in English requires more attention and it's less enjoyable.

[Lady Rhonwyn]

Ok first thanks to all who translated their posts... GWO is an English forum and any post not in English from now on will be deleted.

The French and German should be ashamed that they persist in playing local and refuse to join the international community

Sorry but I feel no shame about that! In fact I'm very happy to play in French. Playing in English requires more attention and it's less enjoyable.
Why should you feel shame because you like playing in your own native language?!?

The only reason I don't like the Dutch I see popping up some times, is because a lot of people apparently don't know how to spell... And our education system is fairly good, so that everybody above the age of 7 really knows how to spell (and I'm not talking about typing errors, which can happen to everybody, or difficult words).

But I've been playing English games for so long, that I sometimes even can't read the Dutch comments (it takes some time to see it's Dutch...)

[Xeronage]

I'm dutch myself, and I agree that you should just learn english.

You learn English, German and French at (Junior High+High School)(Dutch equivalent of it)

Everyone 12/13 years and older should be in (Junior High+High School), so you should know how to speak english, german, and french. If you can't, then you're either in VMBO(LOWEST EDUCATION POSSIBLE HERE), Or, you're still in elementary school(So, you shouldn't be playing GW at all)

/ NOT SIGNED

[Facet of Strength]

/signed, i want to get rid of these people honistly their quite anoyying spamming their language [though i understand cus im dutch] all over.. Its anoyying for the other kind though ill stay english.. give these people a own server and let them talk dutch in their own :P

[DeXyre]

I'm a bit undecided, being Belgian myself... I, myself would still prefer to play on the English servers, in English language (really, Dutch game translations usually don't make any sense at all), however if the more childish Dutchspeaking people would play on the Dutch servers... I'd be a bit more quiet and relaxing in the English servers ^^

[shadows of hob]

/signed, but if there will not be a dutch district, all dutch people should speak english in the english district.

[Lady Rhonwyn]

I'm dutch myself, and I agree that you should just learn english.

You learn English, German and French at (Junior High+High School)(Dutch equivalent of it)

Everyone 12/13 years and older should be in (Junior High+High School), so you should know how to speak english, german, and french. If you can't, then you're either in VMBO(LOWEST EDUCATION POSSIBLE HERE), Or, you're still in elementary school(So, you shouldn't be playing GW at all)

/ NOT SIGNED
Even though I understand what you're saying, it's not true...

I don't understand French. I know bonjour... I can make myself understood in German, with a little help of English and Dutch... And I have been to the university...

Not everybody has a feel for languages. The only reason my English is passable, is because I've been to the States for a year and I read all of my books in English.

And most of the time it's not that Dutch people can't speak or understand English, it's because they want to show off they're Dutch... How often do you see messages like "Who else here is Dutch?" (but then in Dutch...)? Maybe because they think there's safety in numbers? Or maybe they are just jealous because there's a Spanish and Italian district. Which makes sense to me, because (in my experience) most people from those countries don't speak foreign languages.

I'm a bit undecided, being Belgian myself... I, myself would still prefer to play on the English servers, in English language (really, Dutch game translations usually don't make any sense at all), however if the more childish Dutchspeaking people would play on the Dutch servers... I'd be a bit more quiet and relaxing in the English servers ^^That would be my only reason to set up a Dutch district... The poor translations is most often also the reason why I like reading my books in English instead of the Dutch translation...

/signed, but if there will not be a dutch district, all dutch people should speak english in the english district.
And I don't agree with this. Because some languages don't have their own district doesn't mean they can't use their own language somewhere else. International isn't always an option (ever been to Droknar ID?). But just keep it civil. I see a lot of foreign languages in the English district and I don't really care. In fact, I'm more annoyed at the trade spam in general chat than in someone talking in his/her own language.

[Xeronage]

Droknar ID is full of koreans/chinese/japanese right >_>?

[AerasaBloodarrow]

/signed 100%

I enjoy Guild Wars very much, but it would be more enjoyable when I could play it in my own language, as for now, I only speak dutch when all my party members speak dutch (mostly with guild) and in Guild Chat (as my guild is dutch).

[Pheronike]

I totally disagree. I'm Belgian and will not play on the Dutch server when it will be available.

I think part of the fun lies within the international character of the game (and not just hollanders, we got plenty of those in Antwerp).

The reason Italian and Spanish (and French and German) players have their own server is because they're bad at any language - usually including their onw -.

[furiousandflamable]

/notsigned, even tho I'm dutch myself.... Why? Because:

1. Dutch have to learn english/french/german until they are 15/16, pick your district.

2. More districts -> districts become less populated -> wastes the fun(italian/spanish districts are deserted already)

3. Getting a dutch guild will solve all your problems, if you say there are enough dutch peeps to start new districts, guilds shouldn't be a problem.

[Karuro]

I'm dutch myself and I don't really care if there will be a dutch district or not. With experience in many games, most dutch players start playing certain games on a below-avarage age, so we get the big immature act. They annoy me pretty much. When I see some talking dutch in All Chat, I ask them kindly (in dutch) to speak english, due the district and other players. And mostly, they start flaming me. =| I don't really like seeing spanish, polish and swedish chatter in the All chat either. It makes you feel left out, as you can't understand the language. Dutch isn't very 'global', worldwidely spoken, so the english would have the same feeling when seeing dutch chatter in the All Chat. Feeling left out, not understanding.

Actually, I would only support new districts just to keep those immature kids out of the All Chat. That is, if they decide to go to the new districts. If they stay, the district is a complete waste of money.

[Odharith]

1. Dutch have to learn english/french/german until they are 15/16, pick your district.


No they don't, they are free to choose french and/or german. English however, is given in "basisschool" (not a clue how to translate this, Primary school?). I had my first english lesson at school when I was 10.

anyway, /not signed.

I don't want more ghostdistricts (although they are great for Role-Playing :p)

note: don't flame on my spelling or something, 13 years of english is not enough to get rid of dislectica (or whatever that's spelled).

[Xeronage]

basisschool is elementary school, I have Dutch, French, German, and English atm at my school(Didn't want to take latin and greek), I SUCK at languages, 6 in german, and a 4 in french, But you don't see me talking like this:

Wat does i toe grab for a steff?
loeking voor party!

[Arawn Catha]

I'm dutch myself, and I agree that you should just learn english.

You learn English, German and French at (Junior High+High School)(Dutch equivalent of it)

Everyone 12/13 years and older should be in (Junior High+High School), so you should know how to speak english, german, and french. If you can't, then you're either in VMBO(LOWEST EDUCATION POSSIBLE HERE), Or, you're still in elementary school(So, you shouldn't be playing GW at all)

/ NOT SIGNED

Sorry man, but I don't agree on the fact that everyone speaking Dutch should also speak German, French and English.

I'm from Belgium myself so I speak Dutch, I finished high school but never had any German classes, I do speak English and a little French, but don't ask me to write/type French because I suck at it.

And I have more friends that had high educations (university) and hardly speak French or/and German.

So I'm up for a Dutch district

/SIGNED

[moenbase]

I probably will continue playing on English servers anyway.
So as long as they don't release the game in Dutch I really don't care.

Killing a "Beenderen Draak", playing a "Krijger" or "Monnik", using "Kracht Schot", "Vuurstorm", "Pijn", and using a "Vurige Lange Boog van Bescherming" would just be insane and redicilous.


BTW, I don't think many dutch ppl have difficulty playing this game like it is right now. Most of em/us are in English districts anyway.
If Dutch ppl can't understand English in the first place, then there is no use to play this game since its all in English.

[Freaking healer II]

It will only split the european more! /not signed

[Carpe Diem]

/defo not signed

In fact, bring back the euro districts. No distinction between languages. Easier to find groups and more diversity and fun... I enjoy interacting with people from different countries.

For those that dont like foreign languages in chat.. get over it. Would u rather sit spamming 'LFG' for 30-40 mins in sparsly populated language specific dist or get in a group within 5-10 in single Euro dist...?

In fact, why have any area specific districts at all? Why not just have a game world.. just international dists..? That way u could get into a group anytime of the day or night anywhere in the world.

[Yakuza Djinn]

We demand our own District as i hear alot English ppl say GO BACK TO YOUR OWN SERVER
---- OOPS I FORGOT YOU DONT HAVE AN OWN SERVER!!!! HAHAHAHA

i am being annoyed by this and i really want a Dutch server so we play Dutch Style Togther (With loadsa Cheese and wooden shoes):laugh:

[The Real Dio Around Here]

i only speak dutch im not dutch or belgian....but this topic have been here before.....and i will say my opnion again: NO!

like people above me have said this will split the population only more....and one more thing the internet global language is english....so dont be a twit and speak just english if you can!....and if your a frenchie....then speak french in the french district and dont polute the english district with your french chatter!......

/not signed

[Lady Rhonwyn]

We demand our own District as i hear alot English ppl say GO BACK TO YOUR OWN SERVER
---- OOPS I FORGOT YOU DONT HAVE AN OWN SERVER!!!! HAHAHAHA

i am being annoyed by this and i really want a Dutch server so we play Dutch Style Togther (With loadsa Cheese and wooden shoes):laugh:
We? Who's we? You're not speaking for me. I don't demand my own district. I know for certain I will even never enter it. So, don't say we, you can only speak for yourself. And I've never, ever heard that comment before.

[Pumpkin Master]

/signed, would be great for my 9-year old daughter, when playing her Ranger. English is still a bit tough for her.

Anyway, I bet there are way more Dutch players than Spanish or Italian together, so our own district would be appropriate.

[IMMORTAlMITCH]

Ja, de Nederlanders willen hun eigen forum.

To Arenanet developers:

The last couple of days there has been an increasing number of Dutch players demanding a Dutch server, or (if possible) a Benelux server. This would greatly increase the fun and it will make it lots easier for Dutch players to find other Dutch players. Also, we find it weird that Italy DOES have it's own server even while there are only around 6(!) players online all the time. There are lots more Dutch people and i'm sure the servers will be used alot. Please do not immediatly discard this suggestion, but see if it can be done. You would make several thousands of (Dutch) Guild Wars players happy.

Alle nederlanders teken hier met /signed in je post!

/not signed

I take pride in being able to speak languages other then my own, easily 90% of the Dutch people that play games speak English more then well enough to communicate, European Integration has to start somewhere!

:p

(Yes, I am Dutch btw)

[DemonStrate]

if merchants in dutch-district sell weed instead of wine/beer you have my support...

:D

[EmoxCore]

agreee


/signed

[xerofighter]

/signed

with a benelux server, you cover multiple countries, Belgium, Netherlands

if Anet doesn't listen to us, we could go on strike :rolleyes: :grin:

[kagie]

/signed

Let's create a benelux angry mob?

[xerofighter]

thats a great idea
we could rally in an outpost and protest :P

[KoekjevanLU]

/signed

It would be nice to have a dutch district. I (we) could go there and just talk dutch there if we feel like it, without annoying any non-dutch people with our chatter. The main reason I would want that is simply: some jokes/fun/dumb talk is simply easier in dutch, if you're dutch. A dutch district still wouldnt keep me away from english districts though, a lot of fun people I met are english or english-speaking.

Oftewel, n district waar we lekker kunnen ouwehoeren in t nederlands...

[fenthwick]

Why not create a scandinavian distric while we're at it! Just split the population even more than it is do it!

/notsigned!

[cantan]

/not signed

i am dutch myself, but since most european districts dont have enough players to for a PUG i think its a bad idea to spread the people out even more. Besides the Dutch all speak english on a level sufficent for this game.

[nexxis carnesir]

/notsigned

a waste of time and money to set one up, less districts means easier finding a group. A-net should make an Europe district then none can complain about foreign languages in the English districts anymore :grin:

btw are there Brazilian, argentine, mexican or canadian districts on the American (the whole continent) server?

[CheersMate]

/notsigned

I'm a North American who grew up overseas, speaks Spanish, German, and a little of other languages. I'm happy to see foreign languages in the towns and I like trying to decipher messages close to the languages I know. I feel all humans need to learn variety in their communication and I'm against segregating us by language.

Cheers,
CM

[David Holtzman]

What an awful idea. When will people realize that on the internet geographic distinctions are simply meaningless? The only thing you do with such arbitary in-game distinctions is create rivalry and animosity between them. Personally I think just having Eu/Kr/Am/Ja/Tw server distinctions are bad enough. They ought to just get rid of them entirely. There is no good reason I ought not be able to easily play with and meet new people just because they live in a different part of the world. In fact, I would say the above claim runs almost directly contrary to the purpose of MMORPGs and the internet in general.

[Vlekje Mai]

I agree, it's annoying all these Dutch and other Foreign language speaking people spamming English servers.

Dont mean to rant but if you guys need to talk in your native tongue to each other, could you at least whisper or form a team, as not everyone really wants to see gobledegook spamming the screen.

There's enough of that as it is...

Tolerance anyone?

Other languages than english are not all gobledegook. It's not that difficult to ignore something you can't even read anyway. Just get over it and let people play how and where they want.

[shadows of hob]

Just get rid of the Italian and Spanish and other district where nobody is, I am sure a Dutch one will be full of people.

[Shana Kenoi]

/SIGNED

I'm from Belgium and I definetly would like a Dutch district. This doesn't mean the game has to be translated into Dutch, not at all. It would be fun to jabber in your own language :) I encounter Dutch speaking people every time I play Guild Wars sooooo... We want our own district hehe :)

[katya]

I can understand why people would want a district in their native tongue. It makes sense. However, it does inhibit party formation and community. My vote would go for abolishing all language districts and tolerance from the rest of the community if people speak in their native tongue.

(And that includes not calling the beautiful Dutch language gobbledygook!)

[shadows of hob]

The Dutch langauge is not that different from the English one. Just understand a few Dutch words is enough :huh:

[PhQ]

/unsigned

Since you guys are apparently taught English in school, just speak it.

[KoekjevanLU]

So:

People would like the dutch to play the game. People do NOT want the dutch to speak dutch (there's always a: SPEAK ENGLISH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD). But there shouldnt be a district where you can speak dutch (since we can speak english, and so we should).... Where's the logic? If you dont want us to have a dutch district, fine, but dont whine when you here some dutch speak dutch to eachother. In a team: ok, a team should communicate, but in town: let them...

(this goes for other languages as well, by the way. If people want to speak there native language: let them. If you think it is important to you to understand what they say: get a course in their language, instead of you expecting them to understand and speak yours)

Point: I would like (but not need) a dutch district. What I DO want is to be able to speak my native language once in a while, in guild wars, without immediatly being harassed about it.

[Ifer]

I am dutch myself, but I cannot stand the way people misspell my beautiful language. I want a dutch server so I can stay in the english one and distantitate myself from my countrymen (and of course the Flemish as well, let's not forget about them ;) )
/signed

[Amywien]

Since you guys are apparently taught English in school, just speak it.

That is not something that you can command. If we want to use Dutch, we will, and there is nothing that you can do to prevent that. If you don't like it, you can log off or change districts.

[One Last Anthem]

dutch ftw:grin: /signed

[Odharith]

/unsigned

Since you guys are apparently taught English in school, just speak it.

As far as I know, germans and french are taught to speak English as well, but most of them even refuse to speak it when they go on vacation in the netherlands... You're not the one to command us to talk in a languase that's not our own.

I still don't agree with the idea for a full-dutch district, but I think we should lighten up a bit and let people free to speak their languace wherever they want. Europe has too many different languases to give them all a seperate district, don't flame them for speaking their own.

[chirthain]

Totally Unagreed.

I'm Dutch by myself and I like playing with people from other countries. Since the game is 13+, every Dutch player should write/read english. If you can't, don't play this game. I saw people posting that they hate the 'dutch spam' and that's why they voted 'yes'. There are plenty more english spammers, just ignore them. I know that a lot of dutch people play GW, and I've never met one that couldnt speak english...

Dudes, this is INTERNET, and the internet-language is english and it will always be english (maybe it will become one day chinese or something). If you don't speak it, dont use internet (atleast, dont use the english sites, dont play english games etc) Dont come whining: WIJ WILLEN ONZE EIGEN SERVER!@! (translation: we want our own server!@)

Totally agreed with Phq.

~Nyuu

[ErikkuWorisu]

We Should All Just Be In International!

Join Hands!

:d:d:d