Nightfall Storyline

[teh Monkeys]

Well, it's official (Sort of. If you can call an online retailer official.), so might aswell create a new thread.

When a corrupt ruler summons the power of an outcast god and infects the land with a creeping darkness, it will take a band of heroes to save Elona.

The outcast god is probably Menzies, and he's bringing his armies of darkness with him.

Well, I hope we can discuss the more lore-y implications of this here, rather than the whining about the story I saw in the community discussion.

[Vunduin]

Hmm its a shame they have decided to personify the threat again, yet another big endgame baddie.

Im liking the God part though, i believe a few people had already deduced something along these lines? Its going to take one hell of a ruler to "summon" a God to his aid though i must say.

[shadow the hero]

It's Dhuum, He is The Former God of Death and Chaos, Banished by Grenth

[Quintus Antonius]

Is it just me or does it seem like they read the Lore Forum and took some of our ideas =P

I mean seriously, how else could we have been nearly 100 % right in even our wildest speculations!

[Seyfert]

my prediction is that by chapter 5 some ppl here will be correctly guessing plot twists 2 months before the game is released

[Mularc Templare]

Lol...score 1 for the Lore forum.

That actually makes a lot of sence to be the storyline, if the Dervish can become and Avatar of the gods (if briefly) - the "true" guardians of the country turn out to be the peasents and religion.

It's going to be a good one, even if its cliche.

From what I'd gathered, all the games are set with a basic story structure so that they're alike - Horrible problem, find out real problem, know your enemy but can't defeat him/her, and then eventually aquire the tools to do so and win, saving the land.

Mularc

[Vunduin]

my prediction is that by chapter 5 some ppl here will be correctly guessing plot twists 2 months before the game is released

And much for the better i say!

Who is this ruler though who can summon a God to his aid? An old king/Queen of Elona?

[Docho]

Other good news is that Gaile said about Nightfall yesterday that it would be more PvE orientated than Factions. I think that also means that the Dev-team has spend more time creating "lorish things"... More lore= good and fun I think...


Cheers for the guys here who came up with the prediction about Dhuum :thumbsup:

[Trojan]

Dhuum or Menzies.

My best bet is on Dhuum.

[lavenbb]

I also like the more lore-y stories, couldn't care less about the Shiro plot, safe the historical references littered around...

anyway, anyone take a wild guess on who's the corrupted ruler? would he/she be someone we know, or someone new?

[Gmr Leon]

Why do I get the feeling we're going to see amazing awe-inspiring statues of female warriors and those pillars in the Crystal Desert will finally be explained? Maybe we'll finally get an explanation to the weapon that killed the people out in the Crystal Desert..

[Ranger Nietzsche]

yep

story = lich + weaponx = doom

[Quintus Antonius]

Perhaps, but keep in mind that the people who built the statues and groups such as the Elonians are different. I think there are many Desert mysteries that will remain mysterious for many chapters to come.

[CarbonBasedLifeform]

I'm counting on Dhumm to be the threat. "An outcast god...", sounds like dhumm who grenth overthrew...

[Trojan]

I'm counting on Dhumm to be the threat. "An outcast god...", sounds like dhumm who grenth overthrew...

I'm thinking Menzies is just a malicious entity than a fully fledged god, but we all know Dhuum is a full god. And he was overthrown by Grenth. So that would make him an 'outcast'...

[CarbonBasedLifeform]

Yeap, Menzies is the brother trying to overthrow Balthazar, but hasnt' been successful yet.

While Dhuum became exiled/outcast by Grenth.

[Santax]

Currently listening to: Hate to Say I Told You So - The Hives

I knew it :D

[Mindtrust]

finally, i have been asking for ages to be able to skill the henchmen myself :) The idea looks good, i hope it turnes out that way also.

[Ashin]

My biggest hope is that they take the writing seriously!

I think its very interesting to think about how rich the lore can evolve to be.. with each chapter standing on its own, but also with common links that depict each chapter as being part of the same world.

From what I've heard from my friends and from you guys on the boards, the Prophecies storyline was welldone, with some nuance and plot twists along the way. I'm reading the official guide now and the Factions storyline makes a bit more sense, but honestly the in-game story material really seem to fall apart.

I'd like to see it revised somewhat, honestly, but barring that possibility I hope they at least learned from some mistakes made.

[Malachi The Fallen]

I wonder if the "outcast god", be it Dhuum or Menzies, has something to do with the not-so-recent invasion on the Tombs?

I mean even those last bosses are called "Darkness" (as the darkness that fell on Elona). Is it possible they are his servants, and were succesful in Elona with what they couldn't do in Tyria (because we stop them).

[teh Monkeys]

Yeap, Menzies is the brother trying to overthrow Balthazar, but hasnt' been successful yet.

While Dhuum became exiled/outcast by Grenth.

"Before the time of Grenth, when death was ruled by a cruel and unjust god, there stood a tower and a throne on this very plain. But Grenth rose up and destroyed the one called Dhuum and shattered down his tower, leaving only these storms of chaos as a reminder of the power that once held dominion here."

Menzies was the one who was cast out, Dhuum was destroyed.

edit:

http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=412289

aww, crap. What if some EBgames monkeys read the lore forum and made up their own storyline. :p

[CarbonBasedLifeform]

I thought it was widely believed that Dhuum still exists? And that Menzies has teamed up with Dhuum?

[shadow the hero]

Destroyed, Doesn't mean Totally Gone.... When Sauron was Destroyed in Followship of the Ring, was he Gone? nope

Btw. If we are a Corrupted Ruler ( Not Evil Ruler, a Ruler Controled by Someone), Doesn't it mean People of Elona will see Us as the Bad Guys since we are going to try Stopping him

[Quintus Antonius]

If the Old Gods are in any way similar to the daedra of TES, which I have shown they are in another thread, they can't be completely destroyed. Some part of them always exists, slowly regenerating until the creature in question can come back again.

Dhuum may not be entirely "gone". Still, I agree, I think we are jumping the gun a bit, it may very well be Menzies, or some other god we are unaware of yet. Regardless of who it is, I believe we will probably learn more about all of them as a whole.

[teh Monkeys]

If only the beta weekend was for pve instead of pvp.. meh.

[Trojan]

Destroyed, Doesn't mean Totally Gone.... When Sauron was Destroyed in Followship of the Ring, was he Gone? nope

Btw. If we are a Corrupted Ruler ( Not Evil Ruler, a Ruler Controled by Someone), Doesn't it mean People of Elona will see Us as the Bad Guys since we are going to try Stopping him

Yep. As I said somewhere before, you can destroy something, but it doesn't mean that it's dead and gone.

I'm getting the Dhuum vibe here...the description matches him more than Menzies...

[Quintus Antonius]

Recently, Gaile made a post here in the forums advising us to not jump to conclusions about the Nightfall box-content or storyline, because some retailers jump the gun and don't post official ANet information.

So, while the EBGames thing may be right, it may also be wrong. Let's not take it as gospel quite yet.

[teh Monkeys]

Uuh, I already posted the link at the top of this page. Meh.

Regardless, do you think the average EBgames store monkey would just make up something as detailed as that (refering to the storyline, not the other stuff on their page.)? I think there's a good possibility that the storyline could continue on the invading darkness and such..

[Quintus Antonius]

Hey, I agree, but Gaile publically said, here on these forums, that these companies may be wrong in what they are saying. Since Gaile is a lot closer to ANet than EBGames, I have to at least consider what she is saying and let everyone else know as well.

[halfthought]

Is it just me or does it seem like they read the Lore Forum and took some of our ideas =P

I mean seriously, how else could we have been nearly 100 % right in even our wildest speculations!
well, if that true isnt that a GOOD thing?, as many of our question will be answered and well have a influence on the game

anyway, its probably Dhuum because there was a picture of a winged skelatal reaper like demon, and it seemed like something a god of death would create

[Arkhan The Black]

Winged?

Skeletal?

Doesn't Liches come with wings in GW?

[Xavatar]

Dhuum is presumed to have been destroyed...at least i think so.
I understand that it is most likely to be either dhuum or menzies, but couldn't it be like...

Lyssa's evil twin(s)?

[Arkhan The Black]

Well how do you kill a god? Only things that are truly alive can die.

Dhuum was probably just crippled and Grenth is probably the stronger god so he wont risk personal confrontation again. Maybe he is trying to build up his strength again by creating another Underworld but instead he is trying to build it upon Tyria itself? Now corrupting the work of the gods and claiming their firstborn world would be a ultimate victory. He could prevent any souls from ever reaching Grenth's domain again and therefor cutting Grenth off from Tyria. With no one worshiping Grenth anymore he would weaken and could be defeated.

(Well enough rambling for me)

[Quintus Antonius]

While there is a possibility that the "outcast god" is someone we've yet to be introduced to, I think it is highly likely that it is Dhuum or Menzies.

I think that research done here in the Lore Forum has shown that many of the things happening can be traced to the Underworld, and in fact, many of the units in the Chaos Army also appear in the Underworld in some form.

Since they aren't being controlled by Grenth, that leaves only one other possible (known) party in Underworld.

[Serena Corvidae]

This is the text accompanying the Four Horsemen Quest in the underworld (given to you by the Reaper of the Chaos Plains):

"Before the time of Grenth, when death was ruled by a cruel and unjust god, there stood a tower and a throne on this very plain. But Grenth rose up and destroyed the one called Dhuum and shattered down his tower, leaving only these storms of chaos as a reminder of the power that once held dominion here. My vigil over these lands was broken for a time, and I can feel a resurgence of the old taint. Four horsemen approach, riders of Dhuum. Destroy them before they can reclaim this place and throw the underworld into chaos!"

The resurgence of the old taint, could be a reference to the return of Dhuum, which in turn could be linked to the events in Chapter 3.

[Gmr Leon]

I'm almost positive that is what it means. Although what I'm curious about is,why would the four horsemen of Dhuum decide to come back in the Chaos Planes. Is there something hidden there or is it just the sheer vastness of the Planes?

[lavenbb]

The Chaos Planes is where Dhumm's tower used to be at. They could be coming back to pick up their stuff, or just want to reclaim it.

[Volitar]

According to the quest, they have come to "reclaim this place and throw the underworld into chaos!" and "this place" being the Chaos Planes. Also, the "Riders of Dhuum" have names and they are Ghozer Dhuum, Kazhad Dhuum, Marduk Dhuum and Thul Za Dhuum. I got the names off of Guild Wars Wiki since I've only attempted this quest once and couldn't remember their names. Do these names have any signifigance? Also, for those that haven't done the quest, they look like Banished Dream Riders if I remember correctly.

One other thing, if you try to make a PvE character in Guild Wars it now has an option to make a nightfall character. Clicking on that will bring up a "coming soon" screen with some screenshots. One of them is of a being with angelic wings, a face that isn't human, a human torso and legs that look like they are covered in black/grey rags. You all should check it out if you haven't seen it yet.

[Blazing Liger]

Khazad Dhuum...wow, that's a Lord of the Rings reference if ever I saw one. Gandalf fought the Balrog over the bridge of Khazad-dum. Marduk was a Babylonian god, and as for the others...I have no idea.

[Arkhan The Black]

The names are all popular references. I think it is A.nets way of saying that the horsemen are indeed bad seeds.

Ghozer Dhuum: Ghostbusters

Kazhad Dhuum: LOTR

Marduk Dhuum: Not sure about this one but it is the name of a Babylonian god and a Black (maybe Doom) Metal band.

Thul Za Dhuum: A bad guy from Conan The Barbarian.

[Quintus Antonius]

Marduk is a Balseraph demon general of Hell, as well. I believe that's where the black metal band got its name.

[teh warrior]

Sounds like Faction all over again. Sticking with one enemy. At least in Phropecies the enemy kept changing. E.g. Charr to Stone Summit to Undead to White mantle to Mursatt And finally our friend betrayed us we was his puppet and then it's Lich.

[DrD]

It's Dhuum, He is The Former God of Death and Chaos, Banished by Grenth

I hope its Dhumm hes my favorite

[Tuor Son Of Huor]

This thread is heading towards another thread:

Thread discussing the New God (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=413745&page=3)

[Poisoned Hunter]

Khazad Dhuum...wow, that's a Lord of the Rings reference if ever I saw one. Gandalf fought the Balrog over the bridge of Khazad-dum. Marduk was a Babylonian god, and as for the others...I have no idea.

Marduk Dhuum: Not sure about this one but it is the name of a Babylonian god and a Black (maybe Doom) Metal band.

Guys identify well Marduck Dhuum - Babylonian god <-- ya that word

BABYLONIAN GOD ...
Chapter 3 has something to do with Elona and the people are:
ELONIANS
Does this make any connection? babyLONIAN and eLONIAN .. surely it must mean something but ow well correct me if I'm wrong.

[Arkhan The Black]

Many things in Tyria seems to be inspired by cultures from our wold. Like Ascalon sounds similar to Ashkelon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon) an ancient city in the middle east. I wonder if Glint might be based on Tiamat, the first Dragon/Goddess in Babylonian/Sumerian mythology that was slain by Marduk to build the world upon.

A ancient civilization of the Crystal Desert built tall towers to get closer to the gods, just like in the Biblical story of the tower of Babel. They wanted to ascend so they assumed the gods where in the heavens above them. They where obviously wrong.

We should have a thread where we could compare the GW civilizations to real world and mythology ones.

[Laibeus Lord]

Many things in Tyria seems to be inspired by cultures from our wold. Like Ascalon sounds similar to Ashkelon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon) an ancient city in the middle east. I wonder if Glint might be based on Tiamat, the first Dragon/Goddess in Babylonian/Sumerian mythology that was slain by Marduk to build the world upon.

A ancient civilization of the Crystal Desert built tall towers to get closer to the gods, just like in the Biblical story of the tower of Babel. They wanted to ascend so they assumed the gods where in the heavens above them. They where obviously wrong.

We should have a thread where we could compare the GW civilizations to real world and mythology ones.

I agree, we should have a thread for that. Its fun and Im sure there are more references other people noticed, as each of us came from different cultures and have knowledge of legends and myths that are not commonly familiar outside of our respective countries and/or regions.