Visu is an evil mastermind

[Azrael STX]

Here's a suggestion that fills in the holes of the storyline:

Visu and the Oracle are the same person. As the Oracle, she purposely predicts very small occurances which she could have easily known of, set up, or are otherwise trivial. She wants Shiro to get to the point where he will believe anything she says. Then, she tells him the emperor will kill him, at the Harvest Ceremony, being very specific with a place, day, and time, as to make sure the rest of her plan goes smoothly (and no, no one ever takes her pulse; there's no definitive proof he killed the Oracle).

Now the plan is in motion. Visu waits for her opportunity, and when the murder of the emperor takes place, where is she? In the perfect position to stab him in the back. She doesn't inflict a fatal wound, but a wound none-the-less, giving her a position among the heroes of Cantha. Even now, so many years later, she is known and admired by all, immortalized because of her heroic feat.

Had that never been set up by the Oracle, Visu would have never gained the status that she did. Furthermore, in the cutscene between her and Shiro, it looked like she was the 'bad guy' and he was simply seeking justified retribution; in the cutscene of Visu and Togo just after that, she says something to him along the lines of "After Shiro's defeated, you'll have all the time in the world to talk to me.. you can count on that." Look at what happened just before Shiro was defeated. Another prediction from the great Oracle.

Now look at this from Shiro's point of view. He got tricked, and owned, and died before he was supposed to because of it. He had a great future and would have been a hero of Cantha; instead, Visu stole his place. Now he has the opportunity to be returned to the world of the living and get a second chance at a new life, where he can live honorably and reclaim his place among the heroes. After attacking centers of learning and finding his desperately sought answer, he has to get the blood of the emperor to finish his quest.

This is obviously not an easy task. He raises a large army to accomplish it, and in the end, he does. He finally tastes the crisp air on his lips and feels the breeze in his hair. He has his second chance to live the life stolen from him..

..then you come along. He is, obviously, very mad. You keep interfering with his plans constantly. Now that they have been completed anyways, you seek to kill him although his mission of death is no more. You want to deprive him of what he worked so hard to earn. So, of course, he has to try to kill you.

And that's when you kill him, again. Just a pawn in Visu's sick, twisted game.

Just a thought.

[Ranger Nietzsche]

can't forget that by the time the characters interact with him he is most definately evil. it is evil to enslave innocent souls to bring your own life as a second chance.

[Darakus]

This is doubtful since if Visu was the oracle she would have found a way to survive. Besides in the introduction cinematic of Factions you can see her running from outside the tower which would place her as one of the emperor's bodyguards.

In the cutscene from Shiro he simply states she won't be able to strike him in the back this time which was the move that hurt him in the first place and prepared his defeat at the hands of the Luxon and Kurzick champions.

I don't believe Visu is the oracle I do believe however that the Oracle has what is called a self fulfilling prophecy (similar in mytholodgy to the one a king received that his son would kill him which ahs him try to get rid of it and causes the events that have his son kill him by accident), the emperor trying to kill Shiro not being the one he killed but the current one and the great power of Shiro being the power he has as an envoy.

The reference to the harvest ceremony is just the reference to the Heroes freeing Kunnavang at the harvest temple and the help she furthers give them to defeat him.

[Cleritic]

I don't know about the bodyguard thing. The cinematic in no way suggests she is a bodyguard. Some ritualist companions escapes shiro's wrath, rings the alarm bell, is cut down, then a scene change occurs, and Shiro is seen meditating. A huge amount of time could have passed, and I suspect it did. Shiro killed the emperor and his aides, then he just sat there meditating. I don't know why. Then we see Visu triumphantly running towards the building, brimming with sex appeal to attract the male demographic, and then it goes from there...

Tell me where you got the bodyguard idea from? Or do I need to watch the cinematic, again...

[Yota Warrior]

In the Guidebook it states that Vizu was on the run from the Am Fah when she reached the temple (this was before the emperor when into the temple).

The only amount of time that passed while Shiro was meditating wasn't that long, since the Kurzicks and Luxons were just outside the temple gates during the ceremony. Maybe a few minutes at the most. Then we see a bunch of the guards die, and in the midst of that comes Vizu, and is only able to get a strike in on Shiro's arms, not even a lethal hit.

Just looking at how the Guidebook depicted that event, it's hard to say that Vizu was an evil mastermind.

[Santax]

Vizu was being chased by the Am Fah, and happened to be by the temple when the Jade Wind struck.

[False Visage]

XD

First Glint and now Vizu? The Lore Forum seems to have it in for ANet's "goodguys"! XD

Next we'll hear the Mhenlo is somehow responsible for the events of Nightfall. Or maybe Alessia? With all her poor healing. :P

[Quintus Antonius]

I've avoided posting in this topic because I'm not completely sure the OP was serious. If he was, then I'm sorry, and I respect your opinion, but I disagree entirely, and I'll just leave it at that.

[Ashin]

I think its fine to have creative interpretations.

In this case I do not think anything ingame or in the guidebook really supports your conclusion. But its still an interesting idea. =)

[Gmr Leon]

All I have to say is,if Vizu really was the oracle all those years ago. She must have had some really awesome make-up..especially to make one eye look blind..

[blue cheez]

I've avoided posting in this topic because I'm not completely sure the OP was serious. If he was, then I'm sorry, and I respect your opinion, but I disagree entirely, and I'll just leave it at that.

Yeah, i wasnt sure weither or not you were serious..

[Lady Rhonwyn]

Here's a suggestion that fills in the holes of the storyline:

Visu and the Oracle are the same person. As the Oracle, she purposely predicts very small occurances which she could have easily known of, set up, or are otherwise trivial. She wants Shiro to get to the point where he will believe anything she says. Then, she tells him the emperor will kill him, at the Harvest Ceremony, being very specific with a place, day, and time, as to make sure the rest of her plan goes smoothly (and no, no one ever takes her pulse; there's no definitive proof he killed the Oracle).

Now the plan is in motion. Visu waits for her opportunity, and when the murder of the emperor takes place, where is she? In the perfect position to stab him in the back. She doesn't inflict a fatal wound, but a wound none-the-less, giving her a position among the heroes of Cantha. Even now, so many years later, she is known and admired by all, immortalized because of her heroic feat.

Had that never been set up by the Oracle, Visu would have never gained the status that she did. Furthermore, in the cutscene between her and Shiro, it looked like she was the 'bad guy' and he was simply seeking justified retribution; in the cutscene of Visu and Togo just after that, she says something to him along the lines of "After Shiro's defeated, you'll have all the time in the world to talk to me.. you can count on that." Look at what happened just before Shiro was defeated. Another prediction from the great Oracle.
Up to here, I partly agree. Shiro was set up. Wether the Oracle is Vizu is another story. Shiro wasn't a bad guy at first, just a normal warrior type, who was easily convinced of his greatness. Why convert him to evil? Only the Oracle knows.

Now look at this from Shiro's point of view. He got tricked, and owned, and died before he was supposed to because of it. He had a great future and would have been a hero of Cantha; instead, Visu stole his place. Now he has the opportunity to be returned to the world of the living and get a second chance at a new life, where he can live honorably and reclaim his place among the heroes. After attacking centers of learning and finding his desperately sought answer, he has to get the blood of the emperor to finish his quest.

This is obviously not an easy task. He raises a large army to accomplish it, and in the end, he does. He finally tastes the crisp air on his lips and feels the breeze in his hair. He has his second chance to live the life stolen from him..

..then you come along. He is, obviously, very mad. You keep interfering with his plans constantly. Now that they have been completed anyways, you seek to kill him although his mission of death is no more. You want to deprive him of what he worked so hard to earn. So, of course, he has to try to kill you.

And that's when you kill him, again. Just a pawn in Visu's sick, twisted game.

Just a thought.
I think the Oracle turned Shiro to evil. And after killing the emperor, this evil was fixed within him. So, when he died, he stayed evil. He went to look after ways to get alive again, so he could fulfill his new evil destiny on this world.

It might be, that if the Oracle hadn't intervened, Shiro would have been a champion of all that was good and that would interfere with the Oracles plans. Why select Shiro from all the guards in the Emperor's retinue?

[The Stiehl]

I think we need to make a distinction between 'Oracle' and 'Fortune Teller.' The Oracle is Suun, the master of the celestials and whatnot. The Fortune Teller was the woman who talked to Shiro 200 years ago. Now as to whether or not the Fortune Teller had some gift of reading the future is up for debate...

[Gmr Leon]

If you ask me,in my opinion,the interesting part of the Factions storyline is that there is someone(Fortune Teller)pulling the strings in the background. Look back at Prophecies,Glint was pulling strings here and there in the background of things.

They already pretty much point out in Nightfall an evil outcast god is pulling the strings behind the corrupt ruler. Is it just me or is this really seeming to repeat itself in the storylines?

[Quintus Antonius]

If you ask me, eventually ANet is going to tie all the storylines together, and we are seeing the beginnings of that now.

[Shorefire]

I believe ANet has a big wrap-up for all these chapters, so they can definately all be related.

As for the Shiro/evil discussion, he was a bad dude. Not very smart, but bad none-the-less. He got some ideas put in his head by a poverty stricken fortune teller, who could be something more, but all we know right now is a peasant told a bodygaurd to kill an emperor. Whether the emperor was planning to kill Shiro or not, we dont know.

And as for Visu,

hen we see Visu triumphantly running towards the building, brimming with sex appeal to attract the male demographic, and then it goes from there...

That was the key goal of Visu, to appeal to all us men, with a deadly chick running around in an outfit, and get us to buy the game. Shiro also seemed really eager to kill her, and he pretty much told us why. She helped kill him, she was in full view of him as he died, and now he wants revenge.

So, to recap, Shiro evil and dumb, Fortune teller is missing an eye, and Visu is a hot assassin used to get males to buy Guild Wars Factions... THE END

[Animaniacal]

XD

First Glint and now Vizu? The Lore Forum seems to have it in for ANet's "goodguys"! XD

Next we'll hear the Mhenlo is somehow responsible for the events of Nightfall. Or maybe Alessia? With all her poor healing. :P

ROFL yes. Alesia is the true evil mastermind! She lures unsuspecting heroes into travelling with her giving promises of healing, only to watch with glee as they die in front of her. After that she goes and has a cup of tea with Abbadon and laughs about all the suckers she's gotten killed.

[Adslahnit]

Since this thread already got Ressed, I might as well make a comment.

Fortune-teller = Minion of Abbadon

General Kahyet = Minion of Abbadon

Vizier Khilbron's Advisor = Minion of Abbadon

Am I the only one seeing a really weird pattern here? I mean, the beans do get spilled rather abruptly in the Realm of Torment's Master Quests.

[jvxmtg]

Since this thread already got Ressed, I might as well make a comment.

Fortune-teller = Minion of Abbadon

General Kahyet = Minion of Abbadon

Vizier Khilbron's Advisor = Minion of Abbadon

Am I the only one seeing a really weird pattern here? I mean, the beans do get spilled rather abruptly in the Realm of Torment's Master Quests.

Even without those quests, Vizu cannot be the Fortune Teller since Shiro killed her in one of the cinematics before he kills the Emperor.

[Azrael STX]

Even without those quests, Vizu cannot be the Fortune Teller since Shiro killed her in one of the cinematics before he kills the Emperor.
She didn't seem very dead to me. She was still talking and everything.

[mumerikram]

She didn't seem very dead to me. She was still talking and everything.

According to the lore Visu kept one shadow step ahead of the jade wind until she ran out of steam and became a jade statue at the end of the Jade Sea.

[Rob Van Der Sloot]

In the Realm of Torment there is a master quest where you have to kill the Fortune Teller. After you kill her she reveals her TRUE form, and it wasn't Visu. Thus burying this theory entirely. Sorry to burst your bubble. I can make a screenshot of the quest, or of the fortune teller's dialogue if you want.

[Quintus Antonius]

According to the lore Visu kept one shadow step ahead of the jade wind until she ran out of steam and became a jade statue at the end of the Jade Sea.

He meant the fortune teller.

[jouninassasin]

well, when vizu said "You'll have all the time in the world to talk to me once shiro's defeated," he does doesn't he? Togo is a spirit, and he does have all the time in the world since..togo is an immortal spirit.

[Nikhera]

Yes..like she knew he was going to die right then. o.o

[jouninassasin]

yep, so vizu knows he'll die, turn into a spirit, and have all the time in the world...because he's an immortal spirit