View Full Version : **spoiler** Nightfall Creatures/Enemies via PC Gamer article
Thought y'all here in Lore might like to have a go at this:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4920/gwnmonstersqm5.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gwnmonstersqm5.jpg)
Just occurred to me to cite my source, m'bad. Got my copy of PC Gamer November issue in the post yesterday - so the above photo is just the creature portion of the article. (PCG no. 154, Nov. 2006, vol. 13 no. 11)
marganite paragon? hmmm I find that very interesting
Cool pics. Can't wait to snag my copy of PC Gamer.
Lady Eleni
09-09-2006, 09:04
More interesting than anything else on that page... Realm of Torment Mesmer. Does the outcast god have his own Realm? Seems likely, with that sort of title. Either that, or the Realm of Torment appears late in the story of Nightfall, being a corrupted version of the UW(sorta like hades is the BAD afterlife)
Other interresting facts:
"... The character would have been a Kung Fu master, but when the proffession was cut it was retooled into the Dervish."
LOL! Kung Fu master in north africa? :D
I just LOVE the boarilla!
This is even more interresting though:
(All theese quates are from the picture of the article)
"When shouting or chanting buffs in the field, the paragons wings will stretch out as he rises into the air, making him even more imposing!"
This is all probably taken out of context.
the mighty drazgon
09-09-2006, 13:17
yeah readin dat mesmer one. just thinkin. maybe mesmers will be really useful in nightfall
as elementalists and necros were in factions
the "Realm of Torment" will probably be the outcasts God Hidden Realm or something. And the monster looks like a Grasp.
Remember those Nightfall pictures with a very dark landscape and those black tentacle things? My guesses are that's the realm.
"But most deadly of all is the Bush Toad, which makes a habit of staring up Dervish's skirts." - LMAO XD
Cochrane
09-09-2006, 13:23
Just one little question? Is this Issue the one with the mini pet code?? I thought it could be bought from the 19th October. Im from Germany and want to buy the magazine because of this mini pet.
Thanks for answers
Quintus Antonius
09-09-2006, 13:41
Great info, Pei Wei. I, like others, find the "Marganite" (I can't read it clearly, perhaps you could type out the info for us?) Paragon and "Realm of Torment" very fascinating. Perhaps "Marganite" is the name of the Outcast God, and the Realm of Torment is his domicile. Or maybe they are references to something else.
Just one little question? Is this Issue the one with the mini pet code?? I thought it could be bought from the 19th October. Im from Germany and want to buy the magazine because of this mini pet.
Yes, the creature/enemy pic is from that issue. Here's the picture from the post I made in another thread. (http://forums.gwonline.net/showpost.php?p=4369862&postcount=3)
Great info, Pei Wei. I, like others, find the "Marganite" (I can't read it clearly, perhaps you could type out the info for us?) Paragon and "Realm of Torment" very fascinating. Perhaps "Marganite" is the name of the Outcast God, and the Realm of Torment is his domicile. Or maybe they are references to something else.
There's not any creature specific information in that small blurb Quintus. However, I'll list out the names from top row, left to right and then bottom, left to right. Top: "Desolation Giant Yeti", "Marganite Paragon", "Bush Toad", "Boarilla", "Living Land Treenormous". Bottom: "Realm of Torment Mesmer", "Vabbi Griffin".
The rest of that blurb goes on to say that inspiration was derived from the African environ, what the "Boarilla" is a combo of, and how the griffin is based on ancient Egyptian lore.
For what it's worth: the article is an 8 page buffet-o-information and pictures (some of which I'm certain are going to pique your interest). Oh, and one other thing: "Storytelling was targeted as a key area in which Nightfall could improve over its predecessors." It goes on to state how they specifically hired a chap named Jeff Grubb to, it seems, add more meat and potatoes to the meal.
Quintus Antonius
09-09-2006, 14:24
Marganite sounds a lot like Margonite. Doesn't mean there is a connection, but I find that rather interesting.
Not sure if this mention goes here or elsewhere, Quintus, but there was a mention of five regions that make up Elona: Istan, Kourna, Vabbi, Desloation and Realm of Torment. (Seems Istan would equate Shing Jea, more or less.)
As for the intersting in Marganite (or, perhaps Margonite association you mentioned) - that particular fiend will be around Realm of Torment (since, to me, they look a little alike).
Woop Shotty
09-09-2006, 14:46
Looks really nice. I hope the paragon thing about the wings spreading out applies to our paragons, not just enemy ones.
I thought Jeff Grubb sounded familiar, and did a quick google search. Found this on the Wizards of the Coast site:
http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Wizards/Bios/default.aspx?doc=JeffGrubb
"In addition to TSR, Jeff had contributed mightily to the fiscal health of Wizards of the Coast, Wizkids, Pokemon USA"
Yay! Now we can use small gems in GW to capture our enemies and use them to fight for us!
"Jeff lives in Seattle with his wife Kate and two cats"
"In addition to TSR, Jeff had contributed mightily to the fiscal health of Wizards of the Coast, Wizkids, Pokemon USA"
Yay! Now we can use small gems in GW to capture our enemies and use them to fight for us!
"Jeff lives in Seattle with his wife Kate and two cats"
I rather thought the Minipets were a "Gotta buy ém all!" kind of pokémon-related thing =P
Any more loreish pages in the magazine by the way?
There are 8 pages... I'd love if he was allwoed to scan them all in :P
But ofcourse, thats a no-no.
Any more loreish pages in the magazine by the way?
There is a specific mention of lore actually, I've just been trying to not divulge too much as I've a hunch some might not be keen on hearing about it before they receive/get a copy. "If you're not up on your Guild Wars lore..., here's the backstory:...."
It mentions the five gods of Tyria and goes on to vaguely mention a sixth god "desperate to make its return". It also makes mention of how that return will be felt by the previous campaigns (whether players in those areas purchase Nightfall or not). Which I took to mean it'd be like how the Tomb of the Primeval Kings turned into the "ruins" of such. Looks like we've some ingame alterations to look forward to in the weeks to come. Overall, I think some are going to enjoy the article (or just the pictures, concept art - they're nifty by themselves).
Lastly, there is one thing in particular I'm curious to see how others are going to react to once they read it. And all in all, considering people's suggestions and repeated requests for certain creatures/enemies and wants - I'd have to say it looks as though they really took a lot of those things to heart. (sorry, i realize this last bit wasn't at all lore related.)
And Avoc, man, someone already asked me that. I kinda feel bad already for the two pics I did put up and have crossed my fingers that I'm not gonna get into a pickle for it.
[edit]I've a question though, and it's possible it's an incredibly stupid one: Hero toons...that doesn't count towards lore, does it?
Zion Farbow
09-09-2006, 17:37
nice one man :)
Quintus Antonius
09-09-2006, 17:46
Don't scan any more pages, as I don't want you to infringe on any copyrights, but if you want to put bits and pieces of clips, feel free to type them out so long as you cite sources.
Remember, during the FPE, Eratimus (who was then the moderator) typed out almost all the information from the various articles, so there isn't a big problem in my opinion.
EDIT: There are topics in the Community Discussion Forum and Community Lounge discussing non-lore magazine topics, such as the minpet and where to buy. Please keep conversations about such things out of the Lore Forum since there are plenty of places to talk about them elsewhere.
Loreish. Hmm.
The article makes mention of the five different regions I wrote about before (Istan, Kourna, Vabbi, Desloation and Realm of Torment) - what it also states is that as you progress through them things go from a bad day to an -incredibly- bad day. :grin: Though later on, some of what was written sort of eludes, in my opinion, to Realm being similar to UW/FoW.
Each region has a specific style to it as well. Istan, as mentioned before, is the introductory area; Kourna has more of a savannah motif going on; Vabbi leans towards an Arabian flavor ("Thousand and One Nights on steroids," says Dociu. Daniel Dociu, ANet's Art Director quoted from PC Gamer Nightfall article. PC Gamer no. 150, November 2006. vol. 13 no. 11, page 32). Vabbi is described as a region infused with magic (floating castles, as was previously seen from the Nightfall video that circulated a while back). Desloation is as it sounds - desloate, arid, toxic: to wit - sounds crunchy to me. And, lastly, Realm of Torment is described as "otherworldly zone that exists outside of a physical" plane (downside to it: it's unmappable - stating that if you "unfog" an area, the further around you move the "fog" will replace a portion of where you've already been).
:smiley: Sounds intriguing to me.
I cant wait for NightFall. I think its going to be the best chapter.
LunaLuna
09-09-2006, 20:35
I'm subscribed to PC Gamer but havn't gotten mine yet.... Can't wait to see it!
Gmr Leon
09-09-2006, 21:27
I know the Marganite Paragon and the Margonites may not have a relation,but what if the Marganite creatures are ones who refused to go into the Underworld. As they roamed the Crystal Desert suddenly the Outcast God appears before promising them new life,but they never suspected the end result. The end result is they become mindless soldiers of his army.
Also,the Vabbi Griffin,if they are actual tamed Griffins or just wild ones roaming Vabbi it may mean that it was possible the Orrians tamed dragons as part of their army. Like theorized in my topic about Orr.
The article makes mention of the five different regions I wrote about before (Istan, Kourna, Vabbi, Desloation and Realm of Torment) - what it also states is that as you progress through them things go from a bad day to an -incredibly- bad day. Though later on, some of what was written sort of eludes, in my opinion, to Realm being similar to UW/FoW.
I had heard rumors of that,but in a different sense. From what I had heard it was like you go through an area,all's normal,you go through it again and it's transformed into a sort of ToPK gone rabid through the area. Though I must say I will be getting Nightfall especially for Desolation and the Realm of Torment. Can anyone say a Necromancer's wonderland?
Oh,and Pei Wei thanks for being a reliable nexus between the article and the forums.
Hmmm... wonder if the Realm of Tormet is going to be accessible from the UW area where all the coldfires and smites are. The way that leads to some kind of locked gate. Could be fun if they placed a outpost there.
Hmmm... wonder if the Realm of Tormet is going to be accessible from the UW area where all the coldfires and smites are. The way that leads to some kind of locked gate. Could be fun if they placed a outpost there.
That would make my day.
Drec Sutal
09-09-2006, 22:59
An outpost in the UW in the middle of the smites would be the best thing ever... as long as you are a Mo/W or N/Me, as that is what everyone else will be... Oh look, we have favor! *sends 55 monk to UW outpost* now we don't have favor! *stays in outpost, never leaves EVER except to farm the smites*
Seriously, I don't think that will happen.
windcaller
10-09-2006, 00:08
maybe the two new realms come from the avatars of the other gods. Lyssa's Muse might get you into one of the realms. Maybe Melandru's avatar to the other.
OR maybe you will e able to enter these two new regions from outposts, such as in ToPK, as others said.
oh and @drec: nobody said outpost. just another area. you have proven worthy of entering that realm by doing all quests or dunno...(tho this sounds way too hard to be true.)
Gmr Leon
10-09-2006, 00:58
I think we're all going a bit off of the topic at hand. This topic isn't about an outpost in the Underworld. It's discussing the new monsters that we know of in Nightfall from the PC Gamer article provided to us.
I'm not quite certain how to convey this, or if this is even on topic (if not, apologies Quintus); however, on page 36 there's a portion concerning Jeff Grub and how he'd delved into Prophecies lore as his inspiration for Nightfall's Elona.
Casual mention: Elona borders Tyria (PC Gamer no. 154, November 2006, vol 13 no 11, page 36 - Chuck Osborn, author)
A town name: Jahai, a city on the border between Kourna (region) and Vabbi (region) and is an historical site.
Oh, and lastly, at the very end of the article, a suggestion is made to pay extra close attention to the dialogue as it may possibly hint at what chapter four has in store. :scratch: That, alone, makes me twitch with anticipation.
Oh, and lastly, at the very end of the article, a suggestion is made to pay extra close attention to the dialogue as it may possibly hint at what chapter four has in store. :scratch: That, alone, makes me twitch with anticipation.
Twitch with anticipation :shocked:? Im tweakin' out :tongue:! Nightfall hints to be way better than Factions.
omg! I wont be able to just press random buttons now! :D
Realm of Torment Mesmers have a Grasp of Insanity hat :o
Quintus Antonius
10-09-2006, 17:16
I'm not quite certain how to convey this, or if this is even on topic (if not, apologies Quintus); however, on page 36 there's a portion concerning Jeff Grub and how he'd delved into Prophecies lore as his inspiration for Nightfall's Elona.
You are doing a great job Pei Wei. Don't worry, I'm not hovering over you with a banstick waiting for your to miscite :tongue:
Anyway, when I hear "devled into Prophecies' lore", I also hear, "I went to GWO and read the Lore Forum!" :grin:
You are doing a great job Pei Wei. Don't worry, I'm not hovering over you with a banstick waiting for your to miscite :tongue:
Anyway, when I hear "devled into Prophecies' lore", I also hear, "I went to GWO and read the Lore Forum!" :grin:
LMAO! I think you're right! :laugh:
Glad y'all have liked the PC Gamer stuff, I think the article is awesome personally and encourage people to snag the magazine when it hits the newsstands. Quintus, that's how interpreted the "delved into lore" myself when I read it. Turning back around to forum related bits, a few I neglected to mention yesterday when giving a brief recap about the regions.
Istan (the introductory/tutorial area): Characters from Prophecies and Factions campaigns will begin their Nightfall adventures at this region's port city of Kamadan via...ooh, you guessed it - a boat. :grin: In Istan, the lay of the land resembles an ancient Egyptian theme (I'd wager this was the area that was predominiately featured in the Nightfall vid in CDF and those few screenshots that were in here in lore as well) with pyramids and Sphinx-inspired architecture. (paraphrased page 28,PC Gamer no 154 November 2006 vol 13 no 11 - Chuck Osborn)
Gmr Leon
10-09-2006, 17:49
Ever wonder if Jeff Strain will mention the GWO Lore Forum? If ever does so then he really owes us our own library that could be managed by Quintus. Seriously,we need a library for all the facts we've come upon and a seperate branch of it to discuss certain theories and etc.
...Jeff Strain owes us one! :laugh:
Eh..Must..Keep..From going..Off the topic at hand..To late.
Do those Marganite Paragons have anything to do with the Margonites?
While not truly an answer to the previous poster's question, I went back to another post in this forum regarding creatures (featuring screenshots) because I thought I'd recalled seeing a Marganite Paragon before).
Nightfall "Offscreen" Preview Creature Shot (http://forums.gwonline.net/showpost.php?p=4283139&postcount=4)
The quality is...well, let's face it, godawful (apologies), but it sort of gives a general idea at the size of that bugger as well as, possibly, the lay of the land to expect when running into it.
[edit] I'm curious in regard to the Bush Toad and the Boarilla, if they'll be of considerable size and which region we'll be most likely to find them in.
While not truly an answer to the previous poster's question, I went back to another post in this forum regarding creatures (featuring screenshots) because I thought I'd recalled seeing a Marganite Paragon before).
Nightfall "Offscreen" Preview Creature Shot (http://forums.gwonline.net/showpost.php?p=4283139&postcount=4)
The quality is...well, let's face it, godawful (apologies), but it sort of gives a general idea at the size of that bugger as well as, possibly, the lay of the land to expect when running into it.
I have an on-screen, high-res version of that video. I'll screenshot a bit, post it here and see if we can identify where that Marganite Paragon is from the descriptions of the environment given earlier in the thread. Also, I think we might want to try to roughly draw on the borders of the provinces of Elona using the offscreen map.
In regard to the map, and I'm hoping there's a vid or a pic from GC somewhere (:embarassed: yes, I'm lazy at the moment and haven't done a search...yet), if I remember it proper - the map I saw while at GC was similar to the Factions style. That is to say, a large continent on the righthand size with a small body of land near to the mainland (but don't quote me on that, memory is a little fuzzy about that particular detail).
[edit]: Alright, did that search and found a map comparison (just dont ask me where I found it), grrr. I'm a dip, apologies for the multi-edits. :embarassed:
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6808/tyriaelonaoi0fk0.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tyriaelonaoi0fk0.jpg)
In regard to the map, and I'm hoping there's a vid or a pic from GC somewhere (:embarassed: yes, I'm lazy at the moment and haven't done a search...yet), if I remember it proper - the map I saw while at GC was similar to the Factions style. That is to say, a large continent on the righthand size with a small body of land near to the mainland (but don't quote me on that, memory is a little fuzzy about that particular detail).
[edit] Uh, now here's where I might muck up a bit as the image isn't one I uploaded but came across in that search I should have done before replyin'. M'bad. Hope this works...
*pic*
Ok, great. The Elona bit needs dividing up like the Tyria bit (although not so specifically, just with the regions) using estimates based off your descriptions of the areas earlier, here (http://forums.gwonline.net/showpost.php?p=4370651&postcount=21). Istan is the only obvious one, being the island, and I'd guess that Desolation is the top-right area, as that looks a little, well... desolate. If we could work out where Jahai is somehow, then we could draw a border perhaps.
Anyway, here's the high-res screenshots, let's see if we can work out where those Marganite Paragons live... (click to enlarge)
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6471/marganiteparagonfq1.th.jpg (http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6471/marganiteparagonfq1.jpg)
Doesn't look like Vabbi, or Istan (I saw a video with a mission on Istan, it looks nothing like on this screen). I'd say either Kourna or Desolation, possibly the Realm of Torment, but unlikely since I'd imagine the Realm of Torment to be more dark and ethereal.
The architecture behind our whirling Dervish friend looks distinct, and is similar to some of the ruins in the Crystal Desert, although slightly more deliberate and spiky. The sand is more dull (almost as if it is actual sand, instead of many pieces of Crystal, which rules out Glint in Nightfall), there is less of it and the landscape looks like it has more hills and rocks. The most obvious difference between this and the Crystal Desert is the presence of trees... albeit dead ones.
OK! In the top part of the picture... that is Deffinantly Kurzik architecture! Check out fort aspenwood, right next to the transport thingy. Looks alike.
Santax, awesome screens! (And can I say -MUCH- better quality too, thanks mate.)
Based on what you said, and looking at the map (Avoc posted a more elaborate world map, than the one I snagged, in the Lore general section - Guild Wars World Map, 2nd edition (http://forums.gwonline.net/showpost.php?p=4371899&postcount=1))
Where was I? Oh, yeah, based on that, your screens and the other portions of this thread: I'd almost be willing to gamble that if you go straight north of where the image is for the boat (that region wedged between the two mountainous areas) - I'd guess that's where your screens took place and lean towards Kourna as well.
Gmr Leon
10-09-2006, 20:23
Hm..Well here's my guess at where everything is on the Elona map. I didn't put the Realms of Torment on there because I don't think we will see on them on the world map.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/GmrLeon00/elonacs5.jpg
You are right :)
Anyway, someone said that this is 80% of explore map of NightFall, I think its true,
Check it out:
http://rapidshare.de/files/32660114/nightfall_map.JPG
for better comparison
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6373/nightfil2.th.jpg (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nightfil2.jpg)
Awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its true then :D
Gmr Leon
11-09-2006, 00:05
That maps looks to simplistic,while some of it may be slightly true I won't believe it till I see the map with my own eyes.
windcaller
11-09-2006, 00:37
i still don't understand where did you get so much info: the map, the eplxorable areas, and so on...
edit: i found it. hurray go me :D
wow how'd you find such a complete map?
wow how'd you find such a complete map?
I second that :shocked:. This should give me enough Nightfall entertainment to last until the pre-order comes out :tongue:, thnx!
Quintus Antonius
11-09-2006, 04:22
Does anyone know when said magazine hits newstands? I know I want to pick it up for the lore it contains, and I'm sure others would like to know too.
Does anyone know when said magazine hits newstands? I know I want to pick it up for the lore it contains, and I'm sure others would like to know too.
September 19th has been the rumoured date around the forums. Which does make sense, since it is a week before the month before the month it is printed for (November). <-- In gaming magazine language, that all made sense :p.
for better comparison
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6373/nightfil2.th.jpg (http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nightfil2.jpg)
Woah! How'd you create/find that!? 't'is'at the real stuff? :shocked: :grin:
:cry: I wish I could see the rest of that Paragon in the top part of the pic in the OP.
Off-topic: nice work in regard to updating the map. Very cool. :thumbsup:
In regard to Kjentei's comment about the Paragon pic: honestly? It's pretty much the same view, just more CGI-like, of the Pargon chap we all were exposed to during the Nightfall PvP weekend. (Or, for the sake of humor, he looks all imposing and...badmammajamma - for reference, do a search for "The Gear Trick Comic", go to the archives and look for Gear Fact #14a. ...and this is where I hope no one, hi Quintus, minds I included this particular tidbit in this post.)
Swinging all the way back around to topic at hand: I neglected to actually look at the back cover of the PC Gamer issue (too impressed with the inside to bother with the outside). :embarassed: Anyhow, back cover is an ad for Nightfall, a part of which says, "...lead them against a mad ruler as she attempts to free her outcast god and bring darkness to Elona. When night falls you must fight - but you won't fight alone." *cue doom tune* (PC Gamer no 154 November 2006, vol 13 no 11, back cover advertisment)
So it's a she that tries to free Dhuum (supposedly). Cool.
Do you reckon the she is her:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d159/Vashekos/evilchickinnf.jpg
(from the main site slideshow)
lol or is that the same chick... well, wasn't the factions main bad guy on the CE cover? so isnt this the new bad guy... err girl?
windcaller
11-09-2006, 12:39
she looks sort of high-ranked...it might be her tho:http://www.teeteehaa.de/~gc2006live/ - pic 14. from the looks of the armour, it might be her. soo.....will nightfall include another traitor such as the so called ally Vizier? or the CE actually has on its cover the leader of the good guys.
and on the Factions CE i found only the Rt from the video:http://www.amazon.com/Guild-Wars-Factions-Collector-s/dp/B000F1RFV6/sr=8-6/qid=1157971091/ref=pd_bbs_6/104-8421860-5775133?ie=UTF8&s=videogames
Gmr Leon
11-09-2006, 13:24
That map that supposedly shows Nightfall explored,don't believe it. The map is to simplistic and clayish looking to be an actual map. Also,on the coast of the river that building off the shore. I think we could see that on the world map without exploring it..
Quintus Antonius
11-09-2006, 15:38
I see no reason to assume this woman is even in the game. Historically, except for a few characters (Nika), most of the characters on the boxart aren't even in the game. Eve wasn't until a little while after in the original game.
windcaller
11-09-2006, 17:28
yes, but Eve was in the game, Nika was in the game....why wouldn't this Leader be in the game. Either Evil or Good she will have a role in the game. Plus that in the following site you will find her, in the 14th screenie
http://www.teeteehaa.de/~gc2006live/ the similarities are too obvious not to be her.
Arkhan The Black
11-09-2006, 17:33
As far as I can tell she is suppose to be a Dervish. Maybe a henchie Dervish considering they put Nika on a cover.
windcaller
11-09-2006, 18:13
sounds reasonable. Although she looks too high-ranked for being a mere henchman. But...Danika was the counts daughter and still helped us...who knows..
Realm of Torment Mesmer. Does the outcast god have his own Realm? Seems likely, with that sort of title.
I believe that if you are a god and you were outcasted, you are sent to the Realm of Torment to be tormented or punished. And I think tose monsters are there as guards....me thinks.
As far as I can tell she is suppose to be a Dervish. Maybe a henchie Dervish considering they put Nika on a cover.
A dervish? When I saw the CE box I immediately thought: Paragon. Especially that metal-looking semi-circle behind the head.
I think it's just like Factions: Regular box: one new class, CE Box: the other class.
Quintus Antonius
11-09-2006, 22:51
I believe that if you are a god and you were outcasted, you are sent to the Realm of Torment to be tormented or punished. And I think tose monsters are there as guards....me thinks.
Hm, I'd say the Realm of Torment is an area in the UW where the unsavory go (think Shiro and the Vizier). If such is the case, and said outcast is there, it may be possible he "overthrew" or "usurped" the Realm and is using it as his base of operations.
Hm, I'd say the Realm of Torment is an area in the UW where the unsavory go (think Shiro and the Vizier). If such is the case, and said outcast is there, it may be possible he "overthrew" or "usurped" the Realm and is using it as his base of operations.
I think it would be cool to get a glimpse of our two former adversaries in such a place. Maybe even have to fight them once again. I'm looking forward to a new campaign.
I'd say that there is a considerable similarity between that 14th picture and the chick on the main side slideshow. If it is her in that picture, then she is a Dervish since she's wielding a scythe. But I'll admit I thought it was a Paragon too when I first saw it, so it might not be a Dervish.
Can anyone read what those tiny words say at the bottom of that picture?
I'm backing what Quintus had to say,
I see no reason to assume this woman is even in the game. Historically, except for a few characters (Nika), most of the characters on the boxart aren't even in the game. Eve wasn't until a little while after in the original game.
While it's also possible that the CE box, like Factions, is just concept art for possibly the Paragon (since the prerelease box is Dervish, as is the cover for PCG November issue), part of me wonders if it isn't a representation of one of the Heroes with better armor. One of the Heroes, Alcolyte Jin, has a picture on page 36 with in the Hero blurb portion. Due to the description "silent but deadly" (...*cough* having an immature moment, laughing) I doubt Jin is a Paragon as I highly doubt they would be considered "silent". :laughing:
Blazing Liger
12-09-2006, 05:38
Hmmm, I don't think that explored map of Elona is real...Looking at it closely, I kept thinking it looked familiar somehow...Then comparing it to the explored Prophecies map...Well, it looks to me like someone just chopped up the Prophecies map and pieced parts of it together. I suppose I could be wrong, but the map just doesn't seem right to me.
The explored map of Elona may be true by comparing it with the unexplored one at guildwiki. Search Elona at guildwiki for the unexplored map.
Laibeus Lord
12-09-2006, 12:13
This map -> http://dl40cg.rapidshare.de/files/32660114/3172798395/nightfall_map.JPG could very well be illegal in GW's agreement.
The pictures used for that map was obviously extracted from the game files, which is, well reverse-engineering and is really illegal.
Although the use of the extracted maps is the one in question if its illegal or not. But the process of obtaining it is the illegal part.
Just a heads up, dunno if maps using the extracted maps should be allowed.
Quintus Antonius
12-09-2006, 14:38
The thing about "reverse engineering" the Guild Wars client is that most of it is server side. All that is on the file on your computer are codes and routines that are made to access the graphics and functions from the server quicker.
Without knowing the source of the map, I cannot say it is official, unofficial, fake, or otherwise. All I have to say is to take it with a grain of salt.
Ranger Nietzsche
13-09-2006, 00:03
mmm as for lich and shiro reappearances
id love to see them fight each other. THen the heros get to kill the victor.
and they coudl balance it so sometimes one wins sometiems teh other
Hm, I'd say the Realm of Torment is an area in the UW where the unsavory go (think Shiro and the Vizier). If such is the case, and said outcast is there, it may be possible he "overthrew" or "usurped" the Realm and is using it as his base of operations.
I've got some in game text to kind of back this up. I went into The Underworld today with some guildies/allies and had a talk with the Reaper of the Bone Pits. This is what he had to say;
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/100/realmoftormentga8.jpg
This is the only in game text I have seen that mentions the Realm of Torment. It is a part of the Underworld where the unsavory go. Also, the "released Spirits" appeared right next to that giant bone tentacle thing in the Bone Pits so I guess that is where these people are cast down into the Realm of Torment.
Quintus Antonius
17-09-2006, 05:28
It also mentions that those in the Realm are driven to madness (Shiro/Vizier). I think that this is one more piece of evidence supporting that the "Abaddon" god may have some ties to Dhuum, if not Dhuum himself. After all, when cast down, where else would Grenth have thrown him but into the Realm of Torment.
Durza the Shadeking
17-09-2006, 07:41
The question is, would this outcast god (Dhuum/Mezein/GreatDestroyer/"abbadon/who-ever) was thrown into the Realm of Torment, would he/it/(maybe she) gone mad?
If so it would really reveal how weak the gods are. I mean they need help to clear their realms, take down the work of our friends "Outcasty" and Co." and to keep order in Tyria. What are they so afraid of, that they do not have the abillity to anhilliate ths merciless evil. To do this would restore faith in many of the non-belivers yet they stand aside and do nothing. Some say it is because they chose to create more worlds and places, yet if there was a chance that pure evil could taint their universe, wouldn't they try to stop it? I see these "gods" as a little more than the Mursaat.
(Sorry if I got a little too into it, just stopped roleplaying on a different game)
Quintus Antonius
17-09-2006, 14:53
While I believe there are some fundamental differences between the Old Gods and the Mursaat, I do believe you are right in that they are probably very similar. I believe (as I have outlined in my one paper) that the Mursaat are a few tiers below the Old Gods, but are attempting to become on par with them.
Furthermore, if it is revealed that the Mursaat turned from the Old Gods because of this "Abaddon" fellow, then my paper "The Odran Code" may actually be nearly correct.
Gmr Leon
17-09-2006, 17:51
A bit off topic,but a guild member of mine got the PC Gamer article too and something he mentioned about the Realm of Torment sounded interesting. From what he was telling me it's an area that's alive. Some of the roads are stitched together flesh,and to put it simply it's an organic dungeon.
Quintus Antonius
17-09-2006, 17:59
Reminds me of something out of Lovecraft, or perhaps the Living Dungeon in Champions of Norrath.
Gmr Leon
17-09-2006, 18:03
Yea...Or the living dungeons in .hack// or the living dungeons in..
Anyway,from the sounds of it a person could be driven insane by a place like that especially depending on how long they were stuck there. Especially in the darkest corners of the place. Imagine the gruesome sights you might see there..
Quintus Antonius
17-09-2006, 18:13
The Plane of Disease from Champions: Return to Arms. That place was disgusting.
But yes, spending eternity in a flesh depository may make anyone insane. No wonder Shiro wanted to regain mortality.
that probably explains why we can't map the area when we're there. As they said it'll just turn black again on the map (Fog of War effect?)
No wonder Shiro wanted to regain mortality.
Too bad he screwed up and got killed and sent back. I bet he's kicking himself in the behind right now:banghead:
Ivan Drago
17-09-2006, 18:32
On a sidenote:
I know already of three (leaked?) Nightfall Maps, and they are almost identical. Some have more yellow/brown desert areas where they are grey in the other map.
Fits to the interviews and the PC Gamer article "you will be able to see changes when you return to previous areas".
hmmmi'm fearing the mesmer foes already, but i wish i looked good in a skirt..... here toadie toadie toadie
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