View Full Version : Elonian Style Boat in New Login Screen
Durza the Shadeking
14-09-2006, 15:47
Here is is!
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http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6066/gw154cx7.th.png (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw154cx7.png)
Nathardia
14-09-2006, 15:50
There is a large topic (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=420663) about it already...
Quintus Antonius
14-09-2006, 17:07
That is talking about the game dynamic, Durza is implying there are lore aspects he wants us to discuss.
Nathardia
14-09-2006, 17:15
TBH, Durza implies nothing at all, except for stating "here it is" and a login screen isn't exactly "lore" IMHO. Besides, the new login screen isn't Elonian specific either, since ALL campaigns share the new login screen. :wink:
Mr Bones
14-09-2006, 17:36
TBH, Durza implies nothing at all, except for stating "here it is" and a login screen isn't exactly "lore" IMHO. Besides, the new login screen isn't Elonian specific either, since ALL campaigns share the new login screen. :wink:
Except the fact that he posted it in the lore forum. The music is in an "Elonian style" as heard on preview videos from Anet and the whole environment is much in the same style- the fact that it is across all campaigns is just from the fact that Anet are advertising their new product.
Quintus Antonius
14-09-2006, 17:52
TBH, Durza implies nothing at all, except for stating "here it is" and a login screen isn't exactly "lore" IMHO. Besides, the new login screen isn't Elonian specific either, since ALL campaigns share the new login screen. :wink:
Also, he is a guildie of mine, and I know him and more or less how he thinks.
Futhermore, the title suggests that he wishes to discuss the culture reflected by the boat. He doesn't just say "new login screen", he names the topic "Elonian-style Boat" and he posts in the Lore Forum.
Come on, give him a bit more intellectual credit than being stupid enough to post something in a forum that has nothing to do with it.
Context clues.
windcaller
14-09-2006, 18:23
that boat reminds me of the Luxon boats. could the connection between Cantha and Elona be deeper than we think?
because the connection between Tyria and Elona was already shown by the fountain in Lion's.
anyone has info they could share?
Such a large sea-faring vessel (since i can't decide if i'm supposed to say "boat" or "ship" at this juncture). Trade transport, perhaps? Or...part of an Elonian armada?
[edit]: off-handedly, with regard to trade, just what, do you suppose, would Elonians specialize in assuming they have heavy trade? (Since many have more than once asked, raised the question, about sapphires/and other rare crafting materials.)
O M E G A
14-09-2006, 23:46
No way, thats a pimp-mobile sea-faring style! Everyone knows that Elonians have masterful powers of suduction, and the swan is a sensual symbol for Elonians.
I'm inclined to think that the ship depicted is actually a river-barge of some kind. Those side-mounted sails do not suggest a very sea-worthy vessel. This isn't such a problem on large, slow-moving rivers (as the river Elon might be), but out at sea, with strong tides, winds and worse, I don't think a vessel like that would be very safe...
Durza the Shadeking
15-09-2006, 05:24
Ihave the impression that this "Swan Boat" could be a cruise-liner of sorts as there are many windows and though you can't see it in that pciture there are small skipper-like boats around it.
I second this guess...I think that it is a luxury ship for the rich or the elite class of the people in elona....it has many windows, large terraces for rulers or people to look out on...I think that those sails might be able to propel the ship quickly but by the use of the skippers I dont think it has any long distance, quick pace, or mass transport in mind. I believe the skippers are small transport boats for the privelaged few who get on the large ship...They could be used for leisure but I dont think anyone is on the boat because of the regular circulation of boats and lack of people or motion of the larger boat. I would almost go as far to say that it is a short range vessel that travels around the continent with overseers who can see/visit/check on things.
Are there any wood wreckages in the Crystal Desert that resembles a boat of any kind?
I could be off my nut here, but...isn't there a hint of a wreckage (ok, i suppose if it's stickin' up it's not so much a hint but more at an indication) around the Arid Sea? (It's been a while since I was there.)
Thinking back on it, cos I had a helluva time trying to locate the Forgotten mook (Forgotten 15 att bit), I'm thinking there was a portion of a prow maybe around the southern most portion (near that pile of bones or so) of Arid.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3504/boatvt0.png
This is from the Arid Sea as Pei Wei said.
Maybe this could be the start of a boat or it could be a fancy roof. What I am interested in (if it is a boat),is whether it was built high then lowered into water from where it stands there in the picture. Or if it were built like that suspended, then carried across land to water. I wouldn't see the sense in that though, it looks like a big boat. Maybe from the name "Arid Sea", suggests a large body of water use to be there.
I did not have time to scout out the rest of the Arid Sea. So if there is a boat halfway sumberged in the sand somewhere, I have not found it yet. This picture was taken if you keep right from entering the Arid Sea from Augury Rock. By tons of Forgotten.
Quintus Antonius
15-09-2006, 14:12
We determined that the boat shown is actually the salvaged remains of a small "runabout"-type ship that was used by the Margonites to sail around the Crystal Desert when it still had waterways. Check out the Desert threads in the Tyrian Lore Forum, I believe they say more.
As for the big ship, is it possible it isn't meant to sail at all? Think about some large leisure and casino ships from modern day Earth. They don't sail, they just sit in harbors and act as a building on the water. The ship is undoubtably a powerful symbol. It may be used as a flagship or base, but not actually leave the harbor, or at least, go far.
As for the big ship, is it possible it isn't meant to sail at all? Think about some large leisure and casino ships from modern day Earth. They don't sail, they just sit in harbors and act as a building on the water. The ship is undoubtably a powerful symbol. It may be used as a flagship or base, but not actually leave the harbor, or at least, go far.
Possibly. Elonian's had to get their lucky and unlucky titles somewhere :p. Yea, it might have been used as a building, since it juts out from one.
Quintus Antonius
15-09-2006, 16:42
It's also possible the "sails" are vesticular, that is, serve no real purpose. For all we know, there is a waterwheel behind the ship that moves it, or it uses oars (oar propulsion was quite common in the cultures Elona seems to be based on).
Camaris Spectre
21-09-2006, 17:07
I agree with others that the swan ship looks like a queen's home away from home.
I frequent the crystal desert (many MANY survivor attempts) and all the wreckage I've seen looks like the blocky Tyrian style ship.
I don't think the Elonian ship there looks much like a Luxon ship. The Luxons used a sleek open-decked design.
Oo.. since we'll be able to pilot wurms in this one, I wonder if we'll ever be able to hop onto a ship. :D
Quintus Antonius
21-09-2006, 17:11
I'd like to draw your attention to the stern of the ship, near what would be the Swan's butt.
Notice that there are a series of rectangular slits in the hull of the swanboat pointing downwards towards the water. In my opinion, taking into account real world ship designs, I have determined that these must certainly be oar slots, where oars extend from to move the ship. I believe that this is the swanboats primary means of propulsion and that the "sails" are for looks only.
I'd like to draw your attention to the stern of the ship, near what would be the Swan's butt.
Notice that there are a series of rectangular slits in the hull of the swanboat pointing downwards towards the water. In my opinion, taking into account real world ship designs, I have determined that these must certainly be oar slots, where oars extend from to move the ship. I believe that this is the swanboats primary means of propulsion and that the "sails" are for looks only.
I'm in agreement. In the Pre-Release Pack, there is a concept art picture of the swanboat that clearly shows a number of oars protruding from the lower-rear end of the ship. They don't seem to be of sufficient numbers to move the ship at any reasonable pace, however, lending strength to the theory that the swanboat is a pleasure ship rather than a commercial or military one.
BastDawn
22-09-2006, 06:51
"Swan"? Am I the only one who thinks it looks way more like a turkey? Swans have longer necks and more graceful lines. The turkey boat is cute, but not elegant. :wink:
Quintus Antonius
22-09-2006, 14:07
The only reason I called it a swanboat is because that is how ANet has been describing Elonian vessels.
Given what we know so far about Nightfall, I am inclined to agree with the pleasurecraft theory. ANet has told us that this campaign is going to emphasize the dichotomy between the rich and poor of Elona. Having huge swanboats for the rich to take a leisurely cruise would certainly be an opulent display of wealth.
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