Undead?

[Shorefire]

After reading the Nightfall PreRelease Bonus Pack, and the little tidbits of information that Anet has leaked out, I am wondering about all the undead that are mentioned. Turai Ossa, the ancient general guy, is undead. Now, I am pretty sure he is undead like the eternals in Augury Rock, but there is also an undead army mentioned.
from which the undead lord Palawa Joko first invaded our land.
nstead of everlasting life, he
found the torment of eternal living death. As one of the undead, he
walks the earth still. Many of his followers also died, and their
ghosts have remained in the Crystal Desert.
Maybe we may even get to meet Turai in Nightfall, hmmm?

So... will they all be like the ghostly heroes and the like, or will they implement a new undead type, or maybe even an Orrian like undead.

So, after my speculation, I wonder, why so many undead like things through out Guild Wars. I understand the Plague in Cantha was a mutation-thingy from contact with Shiro, but why do Elonians seem to become eternals and green, while Orrians got blasted with magic, and are now rotting zombies? And also, what happened to the Charr that where invading Orr, are they undead, or where they just wiped out? Please feel free to yell or correct me on anything I may have misquoted.

[Quintus Antonius]

Well, the Charr and the warriors of the Orrian Army were obliterated, so far as me know, while the ranged units and casters seem to have been transformed. I believe it is because Orr only deployed its footsoldiers, which were then soundly defeated by the Charr. The remaining forces were probably behind fortifications, launching attacks at the Charr from range. That's when the Vizier went down and blew up Arah. However, as I mentioned in another thread, it is highly suspicious that the bodies of the people weren't obliterated by the explosion, afterall, it was powerful enough to sink the peninsular system. I feel that the people were transported away by whatever was in the scroll, and then Orr blew up. Either way, the Charr weren't in the city, so when it went off, they would've just been blown to pieces with the rest of Orr.

The Canthan Plague isn't so much a "plague" or disease as it is a corruption of the spiritual form by Shiro. It is different, but on the same level, as the Orrian Undead, however, we don't know what happened to the souls of the Orrians. Are they in the zombie bodies, or did they go on and the bodies became zombies?

[GaryArmstrong]

who is lord palawa joko?

[Ivan Drago]

A close friend of Lord Marka Ragnos j/k. :)

Not much known about the guy, except that he got the name "Scourge of Vabbi". He got defeated by Turai Ossa which caused the Khournians to revere his family and elect him and his heirs to be their ruler and bear the title warmarshal for thousands of years by now.

You can read up the little bits of info yourself, it is not that much. He must have been pretty badass. If he is related to the Vizier or not, who knows.

[Gmr Leon]

I sort of agree with Quintus's thoughts on the Orrian undead. Although I think that Arah and the people behind the walls were teleported or something of the sort. Though something along the way of the teleportation went wrong,killed the people within Arah(or at least ripped the flesh off their bones and turned the peasants into..Well,I'm not sure..) and then managed to blow up the Orrian peninsular system.

[Shorefire]

The Teleportation theory really does make sense though, imagine...

The Vizier finishes his incantation, an explosion occurs, and a huge undead army now exists. So, by reciting the the incantation, so him and all the other Orrians are teleportated, but they are forced to become undead. So, we can somewhat guess that the Vizier may have had good intentions, thinking it would give the Orrians power to defeat the charr, but they recieved the power in a completely un-precedented way.

Back to the topic of this thread, all this can explain the orrians, and Quintus summed up the Canthan "plague", which is the whole Shiro-corrupted peasants and such. But one question still remains, why do the Elonian spirits seem to be allowed to wander the earth. You can see eternals in the Underworld, Tombs, etc... but the Elonian "ghosts" in the Crystal Dessert and the two "ghosts" in Ascalon are the only wons found in Tyria, and the few spirits that occupy the Thannaki Temple.

So, did the Elonians who sought Ascension draw the attention of the gods, and they allowed them eternal life, or did they use it as punishment. Or does it have to do with the mysterious Flameseeker Prophecies, which were supposedly well-known in Elona(speculating on the fact that Turai Ossa and his great-great-whatever-granddaughter are able to research it and go in the correct area where Ascension happens).

So, did the Elonians gain power, become cursed, or unknowingly fulfill some hidden part of the Flameseeker Prophecies?

[Quintus Antonius]

I'd say whatever cursed the Elonians was a side-effect of WeaponX.

[hexal]

But what about the ghosts in Elona Reach, they weren't killed by WeaponX. They died of starvation and the Forgotten.
And in the Belated Betrothal quest, I dion't think they 2 ghosts were killed by WeaponX.

[Quintus Antonius]

I thought the Belated Betrothal were killed by WeaponX. They talk about planning to meet to marry and then seeing a bright light and being ghosts.

Here's the text from that quest:
Forgive me if I seem startled, but it has been ages since a living being has spoken to me... Please, don't think less of me, but I have a rather selfish request of you. When the...event...that destroyed my people occurred, I was supposed to meet my betrothed Chebar out in the Salt Flats near one of those curious teleportation pads. We thought it was a perfect place to be alone. It has been my single lasting torment that I never found out what happened to Chebar. Although it is unlikely that any sign of his...remains...would have survived to this day, I would like to be certain.

Would you go to the Salt Flats and see if you can find any sign of Chebar?

Also, at Elona Reach, they only say they started to fight each other. Notice that there aren't many ghosts there, even though there were apparently two groups clashing. Perhaps in the middle of their fighting, the weapon was set off, and only those who survived long enough became ghosts.

[Santax]

@The OP: We meet Turai Ossa in Prophecies - as the Ghostly Hero who still wants to ascend even after death (!) and guides us through the Crystal Desert.

And yes, they did fulfill a part of the Flameseeker Prophecies. While they mistakenly believed that they were the chosen who were to ascend in the Crystal Desert and defeat the "unseen enemy"* mentioned in the Prophecies, they still played a part in it. Without the guidance of the undead Turai Ossa, the player would never have ascended and never been able to defeat the Mursaat in the Shiverpeaks, Jalis and his brother Brechnar would have died, and even if they had made it to the ring of fire, there would be no Brechnar to make a sacrifice and the Mursaat guarding the Door of Komalie.

* The "unseen enemy" is mentioned by Meerak The Shouter in Frontier Gate - while we know it refers to the Mursaat, Ossa could have percieved this as Abbadon (Abbadon being the codename for the outcast god for now)

[hexal]

Also, at Elona Reach, they only say they started to fight each other. Notice that there aren't many ghosts there, even though there were apparently two groups clashing. Perhaps in the middle of their fighting, the weapon was set off, and only those who survived long enough became ghosts.
The Story of Priest Nahtem:
In the last night before the nation of Elonia was no more, Priest Nahtem sat on the warm sands of the Crystal Desert and peered up at the starry sky. Those disciples who had not fallen to the elements sat around him in a large circle. As a group they prayed to all the gods in turn, beseeching each of them to bring an end to their plight. The gods heard their prayers. As the morning sun rose, the suffering of Priest Nahtem's followers had been ended. They all lie dead, victims of a swift and sudden attack by the Forgotten.
Retrieved from "http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ritual_Priest_Nahtem"

And about Belated Betrothal, my mistake. :embarassed:

[Quintus Antonius]

Interesting....

Perhaps the ritual they undertook somehow trapped Nahtem in the realm, or perhaps WeaponX was detonated soon after their deaths.

I honestly believe that WeaponX is the cause of the ghostliness of the remaining Elonians. However, when considering the Ritual Priests, it is interesting to note that you have to "awaken" them. So perhaps they reached their states through alternative means, disallowing their "freedom of movement" and tying them to the area they died in.

[tomezadas]

I can't just agree with quintus on the orrians dead matters, just because if so why do the undead drop orr seals when killed?
I do believe in my teory(history) otherwise i wouldn't made it, u can find it at the 6* god SPOILER thread by Ivan Drago!
i'd just can't think as undeads like potencial nightfall enemies(smiters would be raining from heavens) i also think it will be something far more letal, something so letal, that they would have to empower henchs so it could be done henchway!
just a teory, i don't know what it is i just know it will be letal!

[Ekrin]

Your basing your entire theory of the fact that they made heros? I think they did that because people were tired of the henchman running around and acting stupid with no way to control them, not because they are making a new more "lethal" creature. Anything in the game could kill you at some point or another making everything "lethal". I personally dont have one overriding theory, im open to all ideas but yours has questionable logic, at least from what I see here but I will check out your post in that other thread to see if that clarifies anything for me.

EDIT: Ok I can agree that the charr worship him and that the titans are his servants (anyone else remember the titan effigies in pre-searing?) but Im not so sure with this mursaat conection and I dont think he created the lich I believe that was caused by the "scroll of dark power" although the scroll could very well be a relic of Abaddon. I definetally agree that Abaddon was/is in/behind the door of komalie while im unsure if he was trapped behind it and freed accidentally by the lich or if he hid there on his own. Im probably leaning towards trapped because the titans could have been a banished race too.