What is the Name of Shiro's Guild? [Archive] - The Unofficial GuildWars Site

bloodsong

20-09-2006, 18:34

heyas;

okay, don't go too far into explanations and spoilerville on me here, i haven't even finished mayhem in the marketplace yet.

but i was wondering, for lore purposes, if anybody knew what shiro's guild was named. i know the symbol (does the symbol have a standard name, btw? just betrayer's mark or something?), and in the kirin quests, togo says it is the 'mark of the betrayer, the symbol of shiro tagachi's guild.' but nobody says what the guild was named.

so. that's my question. :)

after a quick answer, THEN you can go all around into spoilerville, cuz i wont read that part ;D

thanks!

Kailden Jera

20-09-2006, 18:41

His symbol is just that, a symbol... It must had been his trademark when he was alive.

And as a spirit, spirits usually use symbols and signs related to themselfs so that people can understand and find out what entity they are dealing with. In this case the aperance of Shiro's Mark in Shing Jea was just so that the local folks (us and Master Togo) could understand who created the plague.

Ranger Nietzsche

21-09-2006, 01:18

yes but when he was alive shiro was most likelyl in a guild as all important peopel in GW seem to be and togo does say its his GUILD symbol. so he has a guild probably, just don't know what

whats teh Am Fah symbol?

Quintus Antonius

21-09-2006, 01:24

Maybe he is in a one man guild =P

Seriously though, how do guilds work in Cantha? Is it possible they are family groups, or social groups (the Jade Brotherhood and Am Fah certainly are). If that is the case, it may be that the group Shiro was a part of no longer exists, or he was the last one.

I do believe it has a name though. I've heard it somewhere, but I can't remember what it is, or where I saw it.

Kailden Jera

21-09-2006, 01:37

I remember reading somewhere that before he became the Emperor's Bodyguard he protected merchants from thieves. He was so good at fighting that the Emperor hired him to his royal guard.

Then the seer brainwashed him and told Shiro that the emperor was plotting to kill him. She got the killing part right... But she got the emperors wrong as it was Emperor Kisu that asked us to terminate Shiro Tagashi. In the end the seers "Prophecies" would be furfilled...

Oh the irony...

As for his guild... I don't really know... As he doesn't use a cape and the symbol is part of his clothes but he wears a canthan guard uniform (15k Canthan Warrior Armor with a few twitches).

The Stiehl

21-09-2006, 01:41

Actually, at the end of Zen Daijun, Togo says:

This is the harbinger of the Deceiver, the mark of The Wicked, the guild symbol of Shiro Tagachi.

Kailden Jera

21-09-2006, 01:45

So he belonged to a guild called The Wicked? Well... Guess we will never find out what kind of members that guild had...

The Stiehl

21-09-2006, 01:50

That's what Togo says, but the guild may have been called by another name, just when Shiro betrayed the Emperor, people started calling them "The Wicked." Associating them with Shiro/Evil/Gwen.

Quintus Antonius

21-09-2006, 02:19

I'd agree wtih Stiehl. The name I heard was different, and unique (at least to me).

Kailden Jera

21-09-2006, 02:23

Don't jump into to conclusions... Gwen IS pure evil. Shiro is just a mere pawn comparing to Gwen... Maybe she is behind all evil we find on Guild Wars.

Joking, joking. :P

Well... I'm clueless about what the name of Shiro's guild is...

The Stiehl

23-09-2006, 08:25

Quintus Antonius

23-09-2006, 16:16

Notice how neither "harbinger of the deceiver" nor "mark of the wicked" are proper nouns.

The Stiehl

23-09-2006, 16:25

I know, I messed up the first time. :sealed: So really, there is no answer.

Mirka

27-09-2006, 12:32

I'm not sure... but if he was in my guild I'd slap him for everytime my Assassin died to an afflicted explosion. :)

Lost Soul

27-09-2006, 12:49

El Cerouni

27-09-2006, 15:08

I didn't actually think Shiro had a guild. I assumed that passage meant that this mark preceded Shiro's return and that is was an evil mark that only wicked people used. I guess that lack of capitalisation supports that.

Does Shiro have to have a guild?

Quintus Antonius

27-09-2006, 15:09

No more Gwen talk. Don't even start that. Take it to the Community Lounge.

False Visage

28-09-2006, 02:19

I'm sure at the end of the Zen Daijun mission Togo says something similar to: "I'd hoped to never see this sign again, the Guild Symbol of Shiro Tagachi."

windcaller

28-09-2006, 14:29

unfort i don't have a spare char slot to run the missions again. anyone have a screenie? going for "i think i remember" and so on is like trying to pass through solid rock.

and yes, Shiro had a guild. image here:http://www.guildwars.com/gallery/wallpaper/gw-wp069.php

same symbol as the one from the floor at the end of Zen Daijun

bloodsong

02-10-2006, 01:49

heyas;

no, dont have a screenshot, but i do remember what togo said. like above he said:

"this is the harbringer of the deciever, the mark of the wicked."
then he adds,
"the guild symbol of shiro tagachi."

but he DOESNT say, in THAT mission, what the name of the guild is. so... it has to be something further on? i'm not that far into the game yet.

keep looking guys, this is one elusive little bit of info! :)

Guildoholic

02-10-2006, 01:57

I don't recall correctly, but I think his guild was named The Wicked....I could be wrong though...

Unknown Hatred

03-11-2006, 17:31

I don't recall correctly, but I think his guild was named The Wicked....I could be wrong though...

Its 'The Wicked' its in the god dammed manual...on Shiro's character page.

Quintus Antonius

03-11-2006, 18:42

Unknown Hatred

03-11-2006, 19:06

Really? I have the manual open right in front of me, and I don't see that anywhere. Could you perhaps quote and cite the passage you are refering to?

And please watch your tounge when posting future responses.

god dammed is offending? by jove....

Nobody one but Shiro Tagachi, guild leader of The Wicked, turn on his emporer on the Harvest Day

jayeddie

03-11-2006, 19:34

Nobody one but Shiro Tagachi, guild leader of The Wicked, turn on his emporer on the Harvest Day

The manual's grammar is significantly better than that, so that can't be a real/true quote. Would you please provide a specific page and the name of the particular "manual" that you got it from? Do you have standard or collector's edition? Better yet, provide a scan of the page in question. The manual that comes w/ the game and the manual that you can download from the website have no mention of "The Wicked". If you are going to provide a "definitive" answer, you need to substantiate it w/ referenceable proof.

Besides, if you were the emperor, would you want/trust a bodyguard from a Guild called "The Wicked". I would like to think that Kisu and Togo's ancestors were smarter than that.

MadCatvanHelsing

03-11-2006, 19:51

Didn't find anything in my CE manual, but wouldn't Shiro have been in the "Bodyguard Guild" or so, the cape he has on that wallpaper is a phoenix. Doesn't look evil to me.

Maybe that mark is something that was seen during the Jade Wind.

Quintus Antonius

03-11-2006, 20:13

Neither the SE manual nor the digital manual on the official site contain any reference to a guild called "The Wicked".

Oh yeah....and Unknwon Hatred, take a day off for repeating something after I specifically told you not to. If you create another account to circumvent this ban, it will become a permaban.

Wyatt Drago

08-11-2006, 19:46

I think it may have something to do with him being an imperial bodyguard for the Emporer. Although the symbol does not necessarily show up in "modern-day" Guards uniforms, you have to remember that Shiro probably still wears the same uniform he wore 200 years ago. On one of his shoulders (in a picture in the manuscripts to Factions) his armour has a golden dragon, which kinda supports this theory. I suppose it is still a Guild as such, as what is a Guild but a collection of people?

(Oh and the G-D word cannot be banned on a word-wide multi community forum. It is only offensive if you believe in God, and therefore enforcing a rule against it's use would be forcing your religion on somebody which is just... wrong. That would be like saying because it is in the Islamic religion to wear a headscarf that all people should. That's just my opinion though.)

Quintus Antonius

08-11-2006, 21:15

Wyatt, don't tell me how to do my job. If you have a problem with a decision, you can take it up in a PM or talk to snowkissed. I made a decision and it was enforced.

Vincent Of Venom

30-11-2006, 23:36

I remember reading an article about Shiro's Guild. It said something about their name having something to do with the word wicked. Just not that exact word. It was said it described their way of fighting their enemies. I do remember it saying this "Guilds title was to resemble that of their fighting style towards their enemies which was said to be merciless and almost demonic in the ways they killed each foe." So I'm guessing after each foe was subdued they executed them in more grotesque ways? It will forever be a mystery it seems.

Vincent Of Venom

30-11-2006, 23:48

Nobody one but Shiro Tagachi, guild leader of The Wicked, turn on his emporer on the Harvest Day

It aint there. Nice try though at the "To Become A Genius" quest. Lol.

Kinlin

07-12-2006, 17:17

I am fairly sure the name of his Guild was never mentioned in the game.

windcaller

08-12-2006, 14:55

Was he even part of a guild?

The cape might've been royal cape?

The Pointless

08-12-2006, 16:17

The cape might've been royal cape?

Imperial... </pedantic>

If the guild symbol belonged to Shiro, then it can't really be an Imperial cape, can it? :undecided:

windcaller

08-12-2006, 16:43

rofl maybe it was a 1man guild ;)

bloodsong

10-12-2006, 15:40

and the debate... putters along.

recap:
togo refers to "the guild symbol of shiro tagachi" and then refers to shiro as "harbringer of the deciever" and the symbol as the "mark of the wicked." however, there is as yet no definitive proof that 'the wicked' is or ever was the name of shiro's guild. in any confirmable source.

the mark, by the way, is not a phoenix. it appears to be a sort of jagged claw-hand with a swirl down by the palm section. (at least, it doesn't look like a phoenix to me!) oh wait.... is the 'thumb' supposed to be the phoenix's head? and the 'fingers' are wing feathers? dang, now im REALLY confused!

if you're wondering why i'm so desperate to know.... for my character's background, i made her family's ancestors part of shiro's guild. they used to be nobles, but in retribution for shiro's treachery, the members of his guild were all busted, if not outright executed. (after all, they were in shiro's guild, and must've been his allies, no? or at least known shiro was gonna go postal or SOMEthing.) guilt by association.
so, anyhow, if we don't come up with the actual name they gave it, i'm going to make one up. i was trying to think of something good that matched the jagged claw-hand... and not doing too well. but if it's a phoenix (or dual picture thing), this could work. maybe 'claw of the phoenix' or something along those lines.

anyway, if you find any more references to it, please cite them, with links if possible. much appreciated! :)

Quintus Antonius

10-12-2006, 15:44

It's probably just something like "The Tagachi Guild [SHRO]" haha

Minionman

10-12-2006, 15:52

It's probably just something like "The Tagachi Guild [SHRO]" haha

:laugh:

That's great.

Gmr Leon

10-12-2006, 17:11

Just a random fact. In Japanese/Hiragana Shiro means white.

Quintus Antonius

10-12-2006, 19:28

It can also mean someone who is overly stubborn or bull-headed, or castle.

In Korean, it means to hate or dislike.

bloodsong

15-01-2007, 00:53

okay, guys, i just finished factions yesterday.

nobody anywhere else in the game mentions ANYthing about shiro's guild.

so, imma stick with my personal mythos of naming it "Talons of the Phoenix." you guys can do what ya want. ;)

Frangeo Munda

31-01-2007, 21:09

"The Wicked" sounds like a band...
Tonight at the Wachovia Center, for the first time in 200 years, Shiro Tagachi and The Wicked! Hear them play old classics like "Jade, Jade baby" and "The Emperor's New Stab Wounds"!:huh:

Also, I believe the lore of Factions seems to imply that anyone who was anyone had a guild. Therefore, it may be likely that Shiro joined a guild, and, as part of that guild, performed some really cool deeds that got the attention of the emperor. Said emperor then hired Shiro, got capped, and blah blah blah...

Still, we are not given a real name of his guild. Was he the leader, or just a member than became a noob?

jouninassasin

09-02-2007, 05:37

The guild is called "harbinger of the deceiver" unless wiki si wrong

Quintus Antonius

09-02-2007, 06:51

.....no. Harbringer means sign, Shiro is the Deciever because he decieved the Emperor into trusting him. It's not a guild name.

Santax

09-02-2007, 17:51

Well, I just happened to go though Zen Daijun recently, and I decided to take this picture:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/Macros41311/Guild%20Wars/Togo.jpg

Yes, the sexy beast in the background is yours truly.

As I see it, the "Harbinger of the Deciever" is the name of the symbol, and The Wicked is the name of the guild that it is the symbol of. But yes, that capitalisation thing is curious.

The Pointless

09-02-2007, 17:59

As I see it, the "Harbinger of the Deciever" is the name of the symbol, and The Wicked is the name of the guild that it is the symbol of. But yes, that capitalisation thing is curious.

You know, he could just be referring to Shiro solely as "the wicked"...:huh:

Quintus Antonius

09-02-2007, 19:23

It's not even a proper noun and you think it is the title of something? Come on. Let's review some common grammar: if it were the name of something it'd be "The Wicked" it's not, take note of the lowercased letters. I can't believe people are still arguing over this.