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[Laibeus Lord]

First Off, Pardon me... Im too tired to put descriptions. Anyway, if you read it, you know what can be discussed ;)

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[Laibeus Lord]

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[Laibeus Lord]

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[Laibeus Lord]

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[King Kull]

LOL, Jatoro Musagi is there, too! :)

[Laibeus Lord]

LOL, Jatoro Musagi is there, too! :)

lol yah! That's why I took a screenshot of it, coz I remember him from Cantha. Then I read his dialogue, and it's HIM!!!!

Only 1 quest tho for WPE, I think the rest will be revealed on release.

[Renegade Returns]

judging by what field general hayao says do you guys think that we can get to elona through the PvP isles?

[Laibeus Lord]

Also
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I remember saying before in some thread that the Prophecies in GWP may very well be telling about the whole (trilogy) storyline but the Lich, the White Mantle, and the Mursaat's misinterpreted it all.

OR it could be a dual-prophecy, as is the case in most prophecies in the real-world. Yes it prophesied the arrival of "heroes" that will save "Tyria".
People misinterpreted it to be the continent of Tyria because the Prophecy "fit in" the events.

BUT
the other side of it is that, the Prophecy is also saying what will happen to the "PLANET Tyria". And since the Prophecies were fulfilled already in the Continent of Tyria, people ignored it already.

Isn't Elona, a land of Heroes??
See the similarity?

[The Pointless]

Speaking of connections between Cantha and Elona, I came across an NPC trying to tell the story of an encounter she had with a Black Moa. She explains that another hunter went for the bird but was killed. An NPC ranger brands the poor woman a liar, so she asks for your help to find an Impressive Warthog.

NOW, on the way to the warthog, she mentions that said hunter, in fact, saved her. Although the hunter actually survived, she lost an eye in the process. Reckon this is Zho, the Ranger trainer?

:afro:

[Quintus Antonius]

No, I think the Flameseeker Prophecies were about Tyria. The only way you can make them about the whole planet is if you remove them from context. Remember, in the FP Rurik over the Shiverpeaks, the Unseen Ones, and the Flameseeker unlocking the Door are all covered.

The only way I could see them abling Triology-wide is if the Flameseeker is actually.............dum dum dum..................Warmarshal Ossa.

[Volitar]

Nice chronicle of the text about Nightfall in the preview event.

I've got one more to add from Kormir who refers to the gods as siblings.

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Also, has anyone else noticed that the statues of the gods are really dark in Elona? Perhaps because of the approaching nightfall?

[Quintus Antonius]

Yes, I did notice the darker statues. I thought it was because they were made out of hardwood though.

[Laibeus Lord]

No, I think the Flameseeker Prophecies were about Tyria. The only way you can make them about the whole planet is if you remove them from context. Remember, in the FP Rurik over the Shiverpeaks, the Unseen Ones, and the Flameseeker unlocking the Door are all covered.

The only way I could see them abling Triology-wide is if the Flameseeker is actually.............dum dum dum..................Warmarshal Ossa.

Yep, Warmarshal Ossa. It really looks like the Prophecies have a duality. Refering to Tyria and again referring to Tyria. ie, first referring to the Continent then second to the Planet, which both are named "Tyria".

Let's try and see... who else can gather info and researches? Let's link the Flameseeker Prophecies to the events happening in "Planet" Tyria as a whole (incl. what we already know in Elona).




Also, has anyone else noticed that the statues of the gods are really dark in Elona? Perhaps because of the approaching nightfall?

Yah! Noticed that too, I thought it was just simply an artistic rendition... it does fit with the approaching Nightfall, something like "the 5 gods are losing power and/or control".


Hmm I smell something fishy!! A MAJOR GW EVENT that will happen both in Tyria and Cantha at the same time!!

Ok check this:
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A cross-continent wide event is brewing in the horizon... If I am correct ANet is indeed hinting at this big of an event, it better be damn good... and I'll boast about how great ANet's story-writers are than... ehemm.... the other one :p

[Quintus Antonius]

ANet hired a new story writer just for Nightfall.

As for the statues, I truly believe they are darker because they are made out of a dark wood. Look closely at them.

[FrogEatFrom]

Hmm I smell something fishy!! A MAJOR GW EVENT that will happen both in Tyria and Cantha at the same time!!

Ok check this:
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A cross-continent wide event is brewing in the horizon... If I am correct ANet is indeed hinting at this big of an event, it better be damn good... and I'll boast about how great ANet's story-writers are than... ehemm.... the other one :p

I don't want to dash your hopes or anything, but it already has broken out in Tyria and Cantha. In Tyria, the Ruins of the Tombs of the Primieval Kings is has exactly the same enemies as the darkness that breaks out in Kamadan when the Zeishen arrive, and in Cantha we had an outbreak during the Dragon Festival. Note how there are portals and Grasps in all three occurances.

[Tuor Son Of Huor]

The only way I could see them abling Triology-wide is if the Flameseeker is actually.............dum dum dum..................Warmarshal Ossa.

Not likely, since Glint herself says at the end of Hell's Precipice that the flameseeker prophecies are complete.

However;

It is said that Turai Ossa's readings of the flameseeker prophecies inspired him to lead his people to the crystal desert to achieve ascension. Maybe he wanted to become a god , like Lord Odran before him?

[Quintus Antonius]

Look, I don't think it is all the Flameseeker Prophecies, but I was just presenting an angle to sort of give a spin to what was suggested.

That said, if Glint is indeed in some way aiding Abaddon, then just by completing the events of Prophecies, we started a chain reaction that leads to the completion of the Flameseeker Prophecies. In other words, her statement that they are "complete" is her way of saying, "It has just begun."

[Palidore]

A cross-continent wide event is brewing in the horizon... If I am correct ANet is indeed hinting at this big of an event, it better be damn good... and I'll boast about how great ANet's story-writers are than... ehemm.... the other one :p


Would be cool..but dont be too sure.

You've got to remember, that these 3 chapters are all happening during roughly the same time period.

In:
Tyria - We've got the abominations (tentacles) spurting out of the tombs
Cantha - During an (FPE I think it was) event, we had the grasps and the rifts.
Elona - As we're seeing in this FPE, we've had the grasps and rifts pop up too, which is right where the screenie took place. Also by observing some of the pictures on the Guild Wars website, you can see that there's a whole slab of land filled with these abominations.

And also remember that the Zaishen Commander in Elona stated how he has his men already stationed/being stationed in Tyria and Cantha.
So although a in game world-wide event would be fun, I think that he's just referring to the fact that these abominations, rifts, and grasps are appearing throughout all the continents.

[captain lucky]

Well tryia does have the currupted rift however cantha was only temporary it could be possible that something a bit more perminant might happen

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

Elona - As we're seeing in this FPE


I was WAITING for this to happen! You're talking about the FACTIONS preview event, which of course would make this weekend's event the N-PE. :tongue:

Sorry for being on your back but I was waiting for this to happen :grin:

[Tuor Son Of Huor]

this topic is merging with the 6th god thread....

[Volitar]

Hmm I smell something fishy!! A MAJOR GW EVENT that will happen both in Tyria and Cantha at the same time!!

Ok check this:

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A cross-continent wide event is brewing in the horizon... If I am correct ANet is indeed hinting at this big of an event, it better be damn good... and I'll boast about how great ANet's story-writers are than... ehemm.... the other one :p

It does seem that way. The fact that the general refers to the Tombs (see first page of this topic) kind of shows that he is not referring to that incident when he says that Tyria and Cantha will be experiencing the effects of this darkness.

Remember, with Factions they gave us quests for the Luxons and Kurzicks in the time between the PvE Preview Event and the release. They may do the same with Nightfall. But that is only a guess of mine.

[Goldfish God]

Minor find, there is a shipwrecked cargo ship on the SE area (the sandy beach area with alot of corsairs etc). This ship was carrying jade cubes (those giant ice-cube looking things u find in the luxon lands with fish preserved inside). From it's position it vaguely suggestions luxon lands are to the SE, or at least south (would have to come round the southern tip to reach the main city's harbour).

[Quintus Antonius]

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Here's the ship in question.

This also suggests that the Luxons are either cooperating with the Corsairs, or the Corsairs are smuggling under the Luxon's noses.

[Arutima]

i like how the zaishen talked about bringing allies with them too (the allies will surely be Our characters from prophecies and factions)

[mrmango]

Woot! Maybe they'll bring the ghost of rurik or togo. </joke>
I think it'll obviously be the heroes of Ascalon and the Canthan teachers/guilds. And the luxon smuggling ties in with the earlier scribe report.

[Zaxares]

Woot! Maybe they'll bring the ghost of rurik or togo. </joke>
I think it'll obviously be the heroes of Ascalon and the Canthan teachers/guilds. And the luxon smuggling ties in with the earlier scribe report.

I believe that, yes, it will be the heroes of Ascalon, and possibly some of the more iconic Factions heroes like Nika and Talon Silverwing.

Lots of delicious Lore content this weekend. I can't wait for Nightfall to come out so we can finally learn how this story ends. :laugh:

[jlmodell]

Damn this thread has wet my appetite! I accidentally forgot to turn off fraps yesterday as i was going through the preview event so now i think ill skim through the 400gigs I recorded and see if I see anything odd.

I remember the jade cubes but I didn't think of the connection at all; Wonder what else i missed.

[Laibeus Lord]

I don't want to dash your hopes or anything, but it already has broken out in Tyria and Cantha. In Tyria, the Ruins of the Tombs of the Primieval Kings is has exactly the same enemies as the darkness that breaks out in Kamadan when the Zeishen arrive, and in Cantha we had an outbreak during the Dragon Festival. Note how there are portals and Grasps in all three occurances.

I'll quote Volitar as I viewed it similarly as him:
It does seem that way. The fact that the general refers to the Tombs (see first page of this topic) kind of shows that he is not referring to that incident when he says that Tyria and Cantha will be experiencing the effects of this darkness.

Remember, with Factions they gave us quests for the Luxons and Kurzicks in the time between the PvE Preview Event and the release. They may do the same with Nightfall. But that is only a guess of mine.

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Look, I don't think it is all the Flameseeker Prophecies, but I was just presenting an angle to sort of give a spin to what was suggested.

That said, if Glint is indeed in some way aiding Abaddon, then just by completing the events of Prophecies, we started a chain reaction that leads to the completion of the Flameseeker Prophecies. In other words, her statement that they are "complete" is her way of saying, "It has just begun."

Yep.. exactly how Glint 'sounds'. It doesn't sound as 'complete' - as in, the Prophecies are complete, but rather, the "First Phase" is 'complete' and it (Abaddon's plans) has just begun.

Would be cool..but dont be too sure.

You've got to remember, that these 3 chapters are all happening during roughly the same time period.

In:
Tyria - We've got the abominations (tentacles) spurting out of the tombs
Cantha - During an (FPE I think it was) event, we had the grasps and the rifts.
Elona - As we're seeing in this FPE, we've had the grasps and rifts pop up too, which is right where the screenie took place. Also by observing some of the pictures on the Guild Wars website, you can see that there's a whole slab of land filled with these abominations.

And also remember that the Zaishen Commander in Elona stated how he has his men already stationed/being stationed in Tyria and Cantha.
So although a in game world-wide event would be fun, I think that he's just referring to the fact that these abominations, rifts, and grasps are appearing throughout all the continents.


I already thought of this before I went online today. And I think the whole story are not really happening "at the same time".

My view, the Chronological order of the events are exactly as ANet released the Campaigns, ie. Prophecies happened first before Factions before Nightfall.

My basis - the Zaishen Order.
1) Propheceis -> they only appeared later in the game. To be exact, after a lot of the players finished the SL incl. the Titan Quests. The Zaishen appeared to help Tyria in the Tomb problems, and the Zaishen opened access to the Battle Isles and "started" co-training.

- simply, the Zaishen saw that "it has begun" or in Glint's perspective (if Glint's working for Abaddon) "it's complete".

2) Factions -> the Zaishen only appeared during the Dragon Festival, and left after the problem was solved.

3) Nightfall -> Zaishen appeared, early, because the signs (whatever signs the Zaishen are looking at) clearly points that the "Prophecy of Nightfall" is at-hand. They arrived early at the Island of Istan, just in time when the Portals of Abaddon appeared. This time, the Zaishen was a little early than Abaddon's Portals, thus we were able to prevent further spread and destruction of Abaddon's minions.

Looking at it in the Zaishen Order's PoV, it is clear that there is a chronological order of things. Prophecies -> Factions -> Nightfall.


So:
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Which was said first in-game, was referring to the "past events" in both Tyria (Tomb) and Cantha (Dragon Festival).

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Which was said second in-game, is referring to 'something that will happen' due to the events transpiring in Elona.

Remember that this is a Trilogy, and the Zaishen Order is the one giving us sense of the chronological order of the events. If all these are happening "at the same time", then "it is over" in Cantha, as we successfully closed all the Portals in Cantha during the Dragon Festival. That will invalidate what was said.

Additionally, we know that during the nearing of Factions released, Tyria got events. Now, with the nearing of Nightfall release, and with what's happening - "Nightfall is looming", it is only appropriate or fitting that something happens in Tyria and Cantha that will result for the people of these continents to visit Elona, otherwise, we won't have reasons to help them fight a war with Kourna who we don't even know.


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Of course there is a possibility that all these are happening at the same time, but until Nightfall is released, for now, it really appears that there is a chronological order in the SL of this Trilogy.

And Yes and No, Mhenlo being in both Tyria and Cantha. :p Some point in time, Mhenlo visited Cantha :p

[False Visage]

To be blunt, there is nothing in the law to suggest Glint has any kind of ambitions for power except for the romanticisation of the Mursaat that's prevelant on this board. Glint hasn't even been mentioned since the original Guild Wars Prophecies events, so unless there's a sign she is involved bringing her up seems very groundless. While Kehyet and the Prophet do have some similarities, Glint is very different to those two. As for her connection for Abbadon, I feel had she been working for him there would have been some obvious sign, such as using Grasps or the such to attack; I'm sure she would have used Abbadons power if she had actually had it, and was malaevolent. But instead we see the Grasps attack with no clear sign of heirachical leadership.

As for the final event, will it be centered in Elona or will it be evenly spread across the three areas? We need more infortmation about this before we can decide. From a logical point of view though I think that Cantha and Tyria will experience the overflow from the events in Elona, rather than an equal amount of the impact.

[Quintus Antonius]

The Lich hasn't been mentioned either, until now. Much of the story of Prophecies is unmentioned in Factions, save for a few references to the Flameseeker Prophecies when you first arrive.

Also, if Glint is a great prophetess, why didn't she see the chaos she was unleashing on the world? She had to have known that removing the Mursaat would release the Titans, and eventually Abaddon. If she was around since the beginning of Tyria, she'd have been there when Abaddon was confined, and would most certainly know of him, even if she didn't see anything beyond the events of Prophecies.

The Forgotten, too, would know of Abaddon, and would have seen his coming very clearly as well. Yet all these parties, who knew of Abaddon, and who had the power to prevent this, did nothing. In fact, in the case of Glint, they actually expediated his returned.

The Mursaat and the Zaishen are the only groups who knew of Abaddon who did something to prevent his return. And one of those groups is gone now, destroyed by someone under the influence of Abaddon, by a prophecy of Glint's.

Highly suspicious.

[FrogEatFrom]

There's no proof that the Titans have anything whatsoever to do with Abbadon, or that the Mursaat would have so much as lifted a finger to stop Abbadon's return (perhaps they would have just returned to their own world), so Glint is not necessarely expediating the return of Abbadon by destroying the Mursaat. (As an aside, she most certainly knew about the Titans, as she said, "Some things you will have to discover yourself"; she just also knew that we could defeat them swiftly without causing much damage to Tyria.) While I think it likely that Glint has plenty of power to halt Abbadon, but, like with the Mursaat and the Titans, is merely choosing to let nature (and humans) take its course, except occasionally to council people. Maybe she believes that her interceding directly would tip the world out of balance or something.

For all we know, she's still communicating with new groups of Chosen about what to do about Abbadon when the origional group of Chosen (aka: us) has already gone down to Elona to help the Sunspears deal with the threat.

[Quintus Antonius]

Proof is a very subjective term. However, there is logical evidence to support Abaddon is in conjuction with the Titans.

Here, this is what I posted in another topic:
Actually the rules of logic tell us there is a strong possibility of connection.

If "p" implies "r" and "q" implies "r", then "p" implies "q".

So using that logical model, if Abaddon's Mouth is associated with the Titans and the Door of Komalie, and Abaddon is associated with Abaddon's Mouth, than Abaddon is also associated with the Titans and the Door of Komalie.

Also, official sources have told us that Nightfall is the conclusion to the arc of events spanning Prophecies and Factions, and the the motivations behind the Lich and Shiro. The Lich was trying to free the Titans.

[FrogEatFrom]

Meh, I would just take the name "Abbadon's Mouth" as one of two things: (a) it's such a terrible place that people named it after the feared and hated anti-deity back when he was still around, or (b) some event connected to Abbadon happened there...eons ago which has no bearing on the return on Abbadon now. While I think looking for hints and connections is a good thing, your conclusion still seems to me a huge stretch.

I have also seen the bit about Nightfall being the end to the Prophecies/Factions arc, but think that them making Glint evil is one of the least likely ways for it to play out, as much as they like to put betrayals everywhere. :wink:

I still hold to my theory that Glint (a) knew the Titans would be released, but (b) wanted the Chosen to slay them, but if she told them about it too early, they'd be scared off and not release them in the first place, which was necessary for them to be finally destroyed by the Chosen. Glint may well have another plan to deal with Abbadon, but knew that the Lich had to be destroyed first or else there would be too much to deal with at one time. Perhaps the Vizier was corrupted by ancient texts of Abbadon-related magic before the Cataclysm; that would certainly tie him into Nightfall.

[Gmr Leon]

A bit off of what's currently being discussed, but since there will be something in Cantha and Tyria that sends us to Elona I personally think it will be something big. As in, not keeping two factions from causing trouble in Kryta. My guess would be that they'll completely transform the areas into a place that looks like the Tomb of The Primeval Kings.

What do we end up doing that leads us to Elona? Learning that the source of this is Elona and to keep it from spreading. Pretty much we end up killing some Grasps and then saving the day then we learn what we have to do to get rid of this madness.

On the topic at hand..

Whatever ends up being proven first or pieced together and actually making sense I'll go with. All depending on the information provided of course..

[ShadowReapr]

Actually, in regards to the Factions cutscene he did not appear possessed until after he murdered the Emperor. As is the custom, the Emperor goes to the tower (or what have you) to recieve the blessings of the Gods (hence his status as a demi-God, or at least something similar). Shiro killed the Emperor, and presumably absorbed these blessings, overpowering his mind and body. It was his insanity that led to this, and as such both iterances are correct. (I wouldn't rule out that Abaddon may have possessed him to help the paranoia, but that's not the point)

I personally believe that Glint is not evil per se, but rather misguided. Since it is likely she knew of Nightfall, I find it probable that she was, in her own twisted way, preparing for it. Abaddon had clearly been mounting his power for some time, from the Margonite incursion that led Turai Ossa to attempt Ascension (which would result in him meeting Glint, probably (le gasp!)) to the possibility of the fortune teller being a martyr of his, so why would Glint not try to bring upon many heroes who would be able to assist the Five Gods - as an aside, I'd like to mention it's only the Dwarves who know of Glint (and as such assist her), and they believe in the Great Destroyer, who is quite possibly Abaddon. Certainly more than a mere coincidence, no?

To establish my point, I reckon she's like Samuel Jackson in Unbreakable.

The Mursaat... I still don't know what to make of them. They must have known of Abaddon (maybe this was why they reject any of the Gods), but I still think perhaps Glint was releasing the Titans to affect the Bigger Picture (Bugger up one of Abaddon's major task forces before his large coop seems right in the bigger picture).

[Age]

judging by what field general hayao says do you guys think that we can get to elona through the PvP isles?
Not with a PvP char.I would have to say in the end this will all come full circle.

[Zaxares]

I'm still not convinced that Glint is 'evil', or working for Abbadon. If she DOES have prophetic powers, and foresaw the Flameseeker Prophecies and the events that would ensue from it, then surely she must have foreseen that Abbadon would escape from his prison. More importantly, she would have also foreseen his defeat, or possibly even his destruction, at the hands of the combined heroes from Tyria, Cantha and Elona. (And I admit to using some metagame knowledge here. We KNOW for a fact that as human players, we will eventually defeat Abbadon and his forces at the end of Nightfall.)

Therefore, isn't it feasible that Glint set all these events in Tyria in motion to ensure that the circumstances for the defeat of Abbadon would be present? That would mean that she IS still working for the Five True Gods, and for the preservation of Tyria (the world) as a whole.

[Quintus Antonius]

Prophets can't really control what they see and what they don't, and often times they never get the full picture. So if Glint is a prophet, and I don't fully believe she is, I think she is just an egotist with a gift for manipulation, she may not have the ability to see anything other than the Flameseeker Prophecies. That was her role, it is now fulfilled.

However, as I said before, she was around during Abaddon's time, which means she knows about him, and not from any prophecy, from first hand experience.

[Zaxares]

Prophets can't really control what they see and what they don't, and often times they never get the full picture. So if Glint is a prophet, and I don't fully believe she is, I think she is just an egotist with a gift for manipulation, she may not have the ability to see anything other than the Flameseeker Prophecies. That was her role, it is now fulfilled.

However, as I said before, she was around during Abaddon's time, which means she knows about him, and not from any prophecy, from first hand experience.

Point taken, although there have been many different kinds of prophets, oracles, soothsayers, auguries and seers all throughout mythology, and not all of them receive their visions in the same way. Many types of prophets believed that their visions were granted to them by the Gods, and were therefore infallible. Others (kind of like the Kurzick Redemptors) saw meaning in signs and portents.

Without knowing more about how Glint actually foretells the future, I'd say we have to hold off any further judgement until we get further into Nightfall. I agree with you that Glint is highly intelligent and no doubt possesses a great talent for manipulation, but I think that she does possess actual abilities of prognostication.

[Quintus Antonius]

She never saw us coming when we kick her butt in the Dragon's Lair bonus =P

[jackqueenking]

if i'm not mistaken one of the istan commoners in the capital city mentions the lich and how he (the lich) coward before the commoner.

[False Visage]

I think it far more likely the Undead are the event in the Prophecies campaign that is being referenced.

Lets look at the facts, so far when Abbadon has come into contact with humans they have been warped and corrupted; case 1 the Magonites. There is also little fact to suggest he uses natural elements as his weapons, so I find it unlikely that the Titans are in fact an aspect of Abbadon. I also think it more likely that the effigies the Charr have raised are those of Titans and Mursaat; for reasons explored in other threads but also because Titans are in many environments fiery. As for why the Lich would seek to release the Titans, well most likely so that he could kill more people and add them to his army of the undead which would bolster Abbadon's strength.

In Factions the Afflicted are clearly at least in part the work of Abbadon, it fits what kind of information we have and fits his nature of madness and chaos. Shiro undoubtedly came across Abbadon in his role as an envoy at some point, which is highly plausible considering the Realm of Torment is closely linked to Grenths realm as the Reapers have told us.

I'm not suggesting Glint is a saint or anything, but I seriously doubt her motives are sinister in nature to Tyria. I cannot account for everything as we only have a glimpse of the information relating to Nightfall but I have yet to see any connection between her and these events. Quintis makes a good point that since she was around at the time she should have been aware of Abbadon as her lair is extremely close to where the battle between Ossa Turai and the first Lich occured. However her focus seems to be on Tyria at that point and she may have simply overlooked the events in Elonia.

[Quintus Antonius]

I think it's important to remember that the Titans are not elemental, but are in fact manipulating the elements in order to take a form. As Mularc's research as clearly shown, the Titans' natural form is a mist like spirit that is able to manipulate it's enviroment to become the Titan form we see in the game.

Another thing to note about the Titans, is that their "generals" are named "Armageddon Lords". Armageddon is another name for the Apocolypse, which in the context of Guild Wars is Nightfall. So, it is plausible that the Titans may have some part in Nightfall. That said, their part may already be finished for all we know.

[Laibeus Lord]

I like to add, there are many prophets claiming to be 'prophets' when in fact they just read history and other sources to come up with something "future-ish". If you watched Discovery Channel's episodes about Nostradamus, the other side of the debate shows facts that Nostradamus have a wealth of knowledge about the events of the past through sources and resources, and 'understanding' these all, he came up with "prophecies" of what will happen in the future.

Glint, being around the time of Abaddon, could be Nostradamus-like. Not really a prophet but rather an "interpreter of past events". Glint, knowing the full story of the events of the past already studied and "foresaw" what will happen in the future. Her foresight is simply an interpretation of the events past. "History repeats itself" one way or another.

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But there is still the question that there was a war that ravaged Tyria times past. A war that was waged between the Mursaats (White Mantle Unseen gods) and the Seers. The Mursaats abandoned the gods afterwards and did everything to stop the "Lich" and the release of the Titans.

Simply shows and support QA's that Titans are related to Abaddon or is part of Abaddon's plans. The Mursaats know this, the Mursaats, just like Glint understood the "Flameseeker Prophecies". The Mursaats want to stop Abaddon's plans but Glint instead wants us to fulfill everything.

Granted, Glint isn't evil, granted she isn't an ally or follower of Abaddon, but there is still something Glint knows that nobody in Tyria knows. Just like Lord Odran and Shiro, they have something they know that no one knows to this date.

For one, I think the war between the Mursaats and the Seers were the war when the Five gods imprisoned Abaddon. There "should" be a war. You can't just imprison a god, and a god won't just let anyone - be it a god or no - imprison him. So the Mursaats, as we already know, followers of the Five gods waged war with the Seers. Could the Seers be followers of Abaddon? Why did the Seers helped us defeat the Mursaats? Less anti-Abaddon, the better.

And we have the Luxons, who just like the Mursaats do not want to worship the Five gods anymore, and the Kurzicks who are still dead-loyal to the Five gods. Who are the Kurzicks and the Luxons? Were their ancestors part of the war to imprison Abaddon in ages past?


Who is that fortune-teller that "poisoned" the mind of Shiro, that ultimately led him to kill the Emperor? Why did Lord Odran designed the Portals to be discoverable when he dies? Why did he entered the Rift in the first place? And what was Shiro's objective why he desired so much to return to the mortal realm? Could it be that he wants to warn us about the return of Abaddon?

Right now, the way I see it, the Mursaats were here to help us, but Glint and the Seers (granted they are not working together) made sure they'll have us under their noses. So we stopped the Mursaats work of preventing the coming of the "Prophecy of Nightfall".

Here's Shiro Tagachi, bent on returning to the mortal realm at all costs. Why? And why did the Envoys last words were so mysterious against Shiro? Could it be that the Envoys are allies of Abaddon and Shiro was someone who they failed to brainwashed when he was turned into an Envoy? Why of all the people and heroes who dies, why Shiro was chosen to be an Envoy? Surely, he was chosen because he'll be useful right?

The way I see the bigger picture, everything is going according to Abaddon's plans. But there are people, greatly mis-understood, trying to help prevent the Prophecy of Nightfall. Then again, why is the Flameseeker Prophecies plural not singular? Again, I'll raise it, could it be there's a duality in it?

[Blazing Liger]

I honestly don't think Glint is evil. I think she is neutral, not completely good or evil. She is an agent of 'balance,' which perhaps includes the balance of good vs. evil, making sure neither has the upper hand for long.

Also, the luxons have not stopped worshipping the Five Gods, they simply worship their three demi-goddesses in addition to the pantheon. Which is no doubt blasphemous to the Kurzicks, and maybe even started their whole conflict.

As for the Mursaat, I tend to think of them as rather egotistical. Their actions are probably all done in their own interest.

As far as the Titans go, we have yet to see whether they have any relation to Abaddon at all. The name 'Abaddon's Mouth' may have nothing to do with the outcast god whatsoever. It may simply be due to its destructive nature or superstition or something. For example, there's a Mt. Diablo near my house, but I doubt the devil himself showed up there to give the mountain its name.

[False Visage]

Yes but the point is that to me, the Titans are the opposite to Abbadons nature. Abbadon appears to warp and corrupt things, whereas the Titans simply adapted to their environmental surroundings. I find it unlikely that the Mursaat will do anything about Abbadon until they themselves are directly in danger, in my opinion it's not altruism but rather self interest. If they really were such wonderful protectors of Tyria there are far better things they could have done to stop Abbadon's return as they too, like Glint must have been aware of what was going on. Honestly the Mursaat are as likely to be connected to Abbadon as Glint is.

[NeoSaber]

Simply shows and support QA's that Titans are related to Abaddon or is part of Abaddon's plans. The Mursaats know this, the Mursaats, just like Glint understood the "Flameseeker Prophecies". The Mursaats want to stop Abaddon's plans but Glint instead wants us to fulfill everything.

Granted, Glint isn't evil, granted she isn't an ally or follower of Abaddon, but there is still something Glint knows that nobody in Tyria knows. Just like Lord Odran and Shiro, they have something they know that no one knows to this date.

Hmm... What if the Mursaat are holding back Abaddon's plan because they don't believe they can stop him? They might believe they are powerless against him, so they want to prevent any conflict from ocurring in the first place.

Glint could be pushing things forward believing that the chosen can indeed stop Abaddon via a direct confrontation. Force small battles with his minions now to weaken them. Then when the real battle comes, Abaddon's plans aren't complete and it's possible to truly stop him instead of just locking him up for another few thousand years. Glint may believe that Nightfall is inevitable, and only by upsetting Abaddon's timetable can he be defeated.

For one, I think the war between the Mursaats and the Seers were the war when the Five gods imprisoned Abaddon. There "should" be a war. You can't just imprison a god, and a god won't just let anyone - be it a god or no - imprison him. So the Mursaats, as we already know, followers of the Five gods waged war with the Seers. Could the Seers be followers of Abaddon? Why did the Seers helped us defeat the Mursaats? Less anti-Abaddon, the better.

There is a Seer that fights the Titans in Hell's Precipice though. Unless the Seers have just been betrayed by the Titans, I don't think they're helping Abaddon.

I'm going to venture a guess that the Mursaat have made enemies on all sides of the equation. Kind of like Hitler did in WW2 by attacking Russia while already fighting Britain. No one likes the Mursaat. They could just be power hungry jerks who offend everyone from the good guys to the "other" bad guys. Perhaps though, the Mursaat once worked for Abaddon. Then they betrayed him during his downfall, maybe even aiding in his downfall. Knowing they can't completely defeat their former master, perhaps even being physically unable to harm him, they tried to keep him sealed forever.

And going off that, what if the Titans and Mursaat were both parts of Abaddon's army. The Titans were the "soldiers" and the Mursaat were the "artillery". Perhaps the Mursaat wanted to go their own way, but the Titans were immune to Spectral Agony, so a direct conflict was out of the question. Instead they turned against Abaddon at just the right moment, leading to his imprisonment by the other gods. Once the Titans were sealed away too, possibly by the gods when they dealt with Abaddon, the Mursaat were then free to go about their business. First though, they constructed the Jade Armors, since without the Titans they needed soldiers of their own. That might explain why the Jade Armors have six eyes, like Abaddon seems to have. :huh:

Hmm... my mind just wanders all over the place when I start thinking about this stuff.

[Laibeus Lord]

(I didn't mean that the Luxons abandoned the Five gods.)

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"A kingdom will fall if they are working against each other". ;)

The whole plan of Abaddon will fail if one of his allies or followers or minions starts to do their own scheme. No matter how evil one may be, for a plan to be successful, there must be unity. Even if the policy is a "need-to-know". Someone who can see the whole picture will give exact and specific orders, if they go and do their own stuff, the whole plan will go down the drain.

So I don't think the Mursaats and the Titans are allies.

The current situation, it is better if there are less humans, because these humans are the ones currently gathering in Elona to stop the fulfillment of the Prophecy of Nightfall. But the Mursaats helped the humans against the Charr. If the Mursaats are allies or followers of Abaddon, they would have let the humans get wiped out by the Charr invaders, just sit there, relax, and watch the whole massacre.

Though I agree that Glint may very well be neutral, or saw something or knew something no one knows yet. Example, maybe Glint is helping the fulfillment of the Prophecy of Nightfall because Glint found out that to 'forever defeat Abaddon' he must first be released from imprisonment, by making him (Abaddon) believe "he escaped", when in actuality, he fell into a trap (of Glint).

Maybe, Glint, Lord Odran, and even Shiro talked and devised a plan. Glint and Lord Odran may have ordered Shiro to do an experiment on how to get back into the mortal realm. Maybe that experiment was something Abaddon is planning, so "they" tried it out if it'll work. And if it does work, Shiro must warn everyone.

Afterall, wise-dragons are always neutral or have a different way of defeating evil, which mortals do not see and understand, maybe Glint is doing just that.


Good point about the Seers vs Titans. Maybe then, maybe, the Titans are afterall not Abaddon's but something else whose objective is the destruction of all existence, so even Abaddon's allies must stop the Titans or control the Titans for their own purposes.


And the "Abaddon's Mouth" name... it can be a symbolical name referring to a final act of Abaddon before he was imprisoned... "out of his mouth appeared beings bent on eliminating all existince - good and evil - which later was called the Titans".

;)

So now, Abaddon wants to either [1] control the titans; if all else fails, wipe out the uncontrollable Titans, since his plans for Nightfall is guaranteed (in his eyes), he doesn't need the Titans to wreak havoc.

[mikevrk]

sigh. when we will be able to take the Dark Side ???

I will gladly role-play the Evil Warmarshal side :) pushing the Sunspear troops back to Istani, seeing once beatiful Elonian landscape turned to wastes :)...

PS: Titans' Quests from Abbadon's point of view - gain control over Titans :)

[Laibeus Lord]

True.

It is very well fun to play the antagonist storyline. Which many online games ignore.

It's really sad that business really have to come first before the Story. I can still recall when during the 1st Gen MMOs, expansions rely on what players did with the current version. From there, they build the expansion SL/Lore.

Now, it's all linear, it's all "developer's fantasy" ;) Not the players. We are simply "players" in a wide event of the writer's fantasy world :p

[Quintus Antonius]

I believe we are making wishful connections between parties when there are none.

We know for a fact that the Mursaat are trying to keep the Titans at bay, we do not know all the whens, whys, or hows. We also know, from evidence, enough to theorize the Odran was a Mursaat, and that the Mursaat worshipped the Old Gods at one time (as evidenced by the Temples with the Eye of Janthir literally all over them in Mursaat style).

I do not believe Odran, Shiro, and Glint ever met one another. I think they each acted seperately based on their own plots, ploys, or plans, and that it is just coincidence that seems to show any connection between them. I think it is possible that Glint is the Fortune Teller, but I don't think there is much evidence in support of that at the moment.

Furthermore, I do not believe the Mursaat are in anyway serving Abaddon. I believe this because the White Mantle fight so hard against the Undead, and the Mursaat fight against the Titans and Lich. If they are all serving the same side, that is one big family feud going on right there. At this time, there is no evidence to show the Mursaat are in anyway serving Abaddon. All we know is they are attempting to restrain whatever is in Abaddon's Mouth.

As for the Seers, I do not know much about them. However, it is possible they are serving Abaddon, and equally likely they are not. Truth is, we just don't know. That said, we do know they are against the Mursaat until they see just how important the Mursaat are (when the Titans are released).

[Sable Phoenix]

I think it's important to remember that the Titans are not elemental, but are in fact manipulating the elements in order to take a form. As Mularc's research as clearly shown, the Titans' natural form is a mist like spirit that is able to manipulate it's enviroment to become the Titan form we see in the game.

Sorry for the off-topic aside, but how and where was this deduced? I've seen nothing about it in-game.

[Quintus Antonius]

I think it's important to remember that the Titans are not elemental, but are in fact manipulating the elements in order to take a form. As Mularc's research as clearly shown, the Titans' natural form is a mist like spirit that is able to manipulate it's enviroment to become the Titan form we see in the game.

I believe I very clearly cited my source.

[Zesr Swiftblade]

did mularc post his research on this site? I found the thread and i didn't see a final conclusion from him.

[Quintus Antonius]

It took him awhile, but yes, he posted his final thesis on the sitee. I believe it is in the Tyrian Lore section.

[False Visage]

Considering the Mursaat part of the Story ends at the end of the Campaign it's hard to say what relations are between the Mursaat and the Seers currently. I find it unlikely though that the Seers were unaware of what the Mursaat were doing, as it's suggested their war has been occuring for some time.

[moenbase]

I find it unlikely though that the Seers were unaware of what the Mursaat were doing, as it's suggested their war has been occuring for some time.

For all we/I know is that the Mursaat guard the door to Komalie which would set the Titans free. Perhaps it's for a personal purpose, or something their Gods had told them.
But, it doesn't mean they also know everything about the Flameseeker's Prophecies.
Perhaps the Seers did know that the Mursaat are guarding that door. And that door might even be unrelated to the war between the Seer and Mursaat.

Anyway, I don't think we can say that the Mursaat, Seer, or Glint for that matter knows about Abaddon. Since at that time, there was a 'bigger' thread, like protecting Tyria.

[Theo Kosyo]

There is a chance that the events of Nightfall may come a short time after those of Prophecies, based on what the Zaishen say the events of Nightfall may somewhere after Halls' siege and the end of the campaign itself. I gather this from the fact that for a player to reach the Halls where the corruption occurs they have to be a significant distance into the game, and be on their way to meet Glint.

However I am unsure about the occurences of the Dragon Festival, it seems that it can take place at any time. Though if Kisu does appear in Nightfall as he did in the little ingame shot we got, it may symbolize the end of Cantha's siege, as there would have been no way for him to leave Cantha, or it would seem by the conversations you find in Lion's Gate coming from Cantha. The plague seems to bar everyone entry to everything outside of Cantha, though this is speculation.

All that is certain is that Shiro falls, again, prior to the fall of the Mursaat and the Titan/Avicara/Tengu/Kryta/Deldrimor/Ascalon/Charr finale war. We know this by what Mhenlo says about going back and finishing up what they started in Tyria. From what I have seen in Nightfall's preview the events of nightfall may occur after the shutting of the door or somewhere just before it. Though the weakening of the gods shows no signs in Prophecies beyond UW and FoW, which again occurs after ascension, so ya.

[spne]

The events of Factions start on the middle of the Tyrian events.
That's why you can go 'help Tyria' or you can go 'Help Cantha', but you can't go to Shing Jea neither the missions prior to LA. I mean, you can go there, but you wont follow the storyline.

You know, something crossed my mind. Would be quite fun if in Nightfall, we had to go back to Crystal Desert and ascend where the Elonians failed once. That would breath life back into the Crystal Desert, and would be awesome to fight once again where Turai Ossa failed.

[windcaller]

tbh i doubt thet at the end of Nightfall we will end the story of Guild Wars. We are forgeting about Dhuum and Menzies. As in many threads of the Lore Forum, they had obvious between some events. And what's the possibility of Dhuum = Abaddon? and what role does Menzies have in all of this.

tbh, if i were cast away i wouldn't stay with arms crossed waiting for a miracle to set me free.

[dfscott]

You know, something crossed my mind. Would be quite fun if in Nightfall, we had to go back to Crystal Desert and ascend where the Elonians failed once. That would breath life back into the Crystal Desert, and would be awesome to fight once again where Turai Ossa failed.

Didn't we already do that in Prophecies? I wouldn't think they'd rehash the same story...

[Laibeus Lord]

Just remember, Mhenlo's group couldn't be in two continents at once, thus Campaign 1 happened first before Campaign 2.

As I see it, Shing Jea missions happened while Ascalonians are in the Ring of Island Fire Chain missions - which really fits in my opinion.

If Abaddon is losing in that part of the Planet, he started his second plan in Cantha.

[captain lucky]

Just remember, Mhenlo's group couldn't be in two continents at once, thus Campaign 1 happened first before Campaign 2.

As I see it, Shing Jea missions happened while Ascalonians are in the Ring of Island Fire Chain missions - which really fits in my opinion.

If Abaddon is losing in that part of the Planet, he started his second plan in Cantha.

Actually Campaign 2 happened as the lion arch story started then Mhenlo and group came back to tryia some time during the mursaat story in the shiverpeaks elona so elona must happen after chapter 1 & 2 or during them and that way I cant see a way they get there plus if this is the last chapter of this stroy arc then there is a chance someone in mhenlo's group could die.

[Renegade Returns]

I think from what General Yurukaro says this has to have something to do with the corruption of the TotPK since Anet updated it on the same day when the PvP Isles came out.

[the Unknown]

All this also raise a quistion of who got the scepter of orr now..

[CMEPTb]

All this also raise a quistion of who got the scepter of orr now..

Didn't the Sceptor just dissapear under Glint's protection?

[Sir Jack]

Actually Campaign 2 happened as the lion arch story started then Mhenlo and group came back to tryia some time during the mursaat story in the shiverpeaks elona so elona must happen after chapter 1 & 2 or during them and that way I cant see a way they get there plus if this is the last chapter of this stroy arc then there is a chance someone in mhenlo's group could die.

Actually, Mhenlo and his band of merry men and women are right behind/in front/with you most of the time. They're just a small step in front of you during the Dragon's Lair mission. The story is actually written so you re-enact their moves, as you can tell by the way Nolani academy mission is set up and reading the lore in the manual.

[hexal]

Didn't the Sceptor just dissapear under Glint's protection?
We saw it dissapear, but what actually says Glint took it?

[Quintus Antonius]

Well, it was a floating disembodied Glint head, so I think it's reasonable to assume she has it.

[lavenbb]

It's a logical fallacy to assume that because an event happened right after another, they are necessarily linked. So just because Glint's head was there was insufficient proof to say she took it, unless there're other evidences that suggest so.

In fact it's much easier to argue that she doesn't have it. From a story-telling perspective, the fact that the scene was discontinuous (it shows Glint and the players depart, then zoom specifically, and only on the sceptor disappearing), suggests that it's a seperate event.

[hexal]

Exactlly what i was thinking. And it's probably not the first time it's done that. Somehow the Scepter survived the Cataclysm, then we find it in the swamps in Kryta. Then at the end of Hell's Precipice it dissapears before the volcano erupts. I think that it can sense danger and teleport itself somewhere else.

[captain lucky]

Exactlly what i was thinking. And it's probably not the first time it's done that. Somehow the Scepter survived the Cataclysm, then we find it in the swamps in Kryta. Then at the end of Hell's Precipice it dissapears before the volcano erupts. I think that it can sense danger and teleport itself somewhere else.

Its obviously very powerful but Teleporting itself away not too sure about its possible the thing is indestructible and looters went to orr and found it and since then its kept traveling till the lich got it although I think it could play a part in nightfall possibly to do with the corrupt ruler not sure though

[Mirage CrimsonBlade]

Well, it was a floating disembodied Glint head, so I think it's reasonable to assume she has it.

I agree. She's got it alright and she's up to something. It seems reasonable to me that Glint is going to play a role in nightfall and I have a feeling she may have played a role in factions (fortuneteller) but there is no proof to back that up, just a gut feeling. I wonder sometimes if Glint is being misled by the prophecies she predicted, could they have been manipulated by abaddon somehow. Perhaps she is assisting abaddon and doesn't even know it because she's blinded by the prophecies. There is also the possibility she is willingly carrying out events that will lead to abaddon's return, she did have us open the door of komalie even if she asked us to kill the titans afterwards. We shall see and soon!

[Laibeus Lord]

I still believe that the evens of C1 to C3 happened in an exact chronological order as the Campaigns are numbered. C1 Prophecy -> C2 Factions -> C3 Nightfall.

It is very hard to explain why Mhenlo's group are in 3 Continents at the same time IF all Campaign's are happening at the same time or in-between each other.

For one, why will Mhenlo abandon his people for the sake of Cantha and Elona?? Will you do that if you were Mhenlo? Abandon your very own blood for the sake of a friend's request and a continent you don't know a thing about? I doubt.

Mhenlo for sure finished C1 first before even bothering helping his former instructor in Cantha, after that, he went back to Tyria and upon arriving in Lion's Arch, met with the Sunspears and went with them to Elona.

Additionally, the Zaishen if digged and read between the lines do give a clear timeline of all the campaigns. From the Zaishen's standpoint, C1 happened first, then C2, then C3. Time in GW isn't "fixed", it is actually moving. It only appears to be "fixed" to us "players" and because of the "instancing" (tech).

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Yes, I agree, Glint is up to something.
She may also very well be hastening Nightfall because she believes that the only way to defeat Abaddon is to finally kill him. But how can we kill Abaddon if he is imprisoned? So maybe, just maybe, Glint wants us to release Abaddon, "acting" to be being controlled by Abaddon (so Abaddon won't doubt her), and then kaput, she will pull the string and help us kill Abaddon.

;)

Seriously, I think we'll see Glint again. Who knows, maybe Glint was... was... who's that little girl again? :p

[Quintus Antonius]

Another thing, one reason Mhenlo was sent for was because of his completion of the Flameseeker Prophecies. That is implicitly mentioned if you come from Tyria to Kaineng. Everyone in Cantha thinks Mhenlo is dead, more or less, I think it is only because of the Prophecies that people realize he is alive and a "hero" they can call upon.

[Minionman]

I'd say chapters 1 and 2 happened at the same time, mainly because Canthan and Tyrian characters both switch places, and if the Tyrian storyline happened first, it would mean that Canthan characters waited several months, or weeks at the minimum, to head to Vizunah square after leaving shing Jea to check out the afflicted, which doesn't make a lot of sense.

The Mhenlo transfer seems most like something extra added to connect the games, if your character is in Cantha, Mhenlo helped the ascalons get across the shiverpeaks and settled in, than heard from his teacher in Cantha, and decided that that continent needed saving. (the scepter of Orr/shining blade/mursaat story takes awhile to get started, so stayng in Tyria would not be as urgent.). If you're in Tyria, Mhenlo stayed in Tyria.

[Laibeus Lord]

Even then, you can go to Cantha as long as you reached Lion's Arch, you don't need to reach the Shiverpeaks SL-arc.

And I agree to QA, Mhenlo's group (and us the players for that matter), weren't called "Heroes" for nothing. Remember, the original plan of ANet was to only allow Cantha access from Tyria "after" a Tyrian character "ascended", but later decided to just "simply open it for all once they unlock Lion's Arch".

If we're going to follow the original plan, then Mhenlo received a summon after his ascension. Which is kind of interesting considering the Crystal Desert is related to Nightfall as well.

BUT, if you are a Canthan character, you can reach Lion's Arch as long as you unlock Kaineng City.

Additionally, if you are a Tyrian and you finished the SL of Cantha, Mhenlo says that he'll come back to Tyria to help his people (to recover). But if you are a Canthan, and you finished the Cantha SL, Mhenlo still says the same thing.

Which could mean that Mhenlo's group (and the players) already killed and finished the Tyrian SL and/or the Titan Quests.


But anyway, I guess we should wait for Elona. Once we finished Elona from three perspectives (1: Elonan perspective; 2: Tyrian perspective; 3: Canthan perspective), then we can finally deduce the exact chronological order of Campaigns 1 thru 3.

But personally, I still think and agree with QA that C1 to C3's order of release is the clue in itself with the SL's chronological order.