Luxons = Corsairs?

[Avoc]

I wanted to post this much earlier, but I was lazy and hoped someone else noticed this.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4956/1tl8.jpg

This peticular area is filled with Corsairs, and during a quest this is where you fight an entire army of them.
as you can see, this is a cube of jade complete with frozen fish. Didnt we have something like this during the time when there was a luxon settlement outside LA?

[Serendipity]

Corsairs are also smugglers, since their ships aren't submitted to any kind of regulation.

Importing rare Jade illegally is probably a way to get money easily.

[Camaris Spectre]

Those blocks are a huge income source for the Luxons. You see them being mined all over the Jade Sea. I don't think that the presence of that block means that the corsairs are Luxon, I think it simply means that the corsairs had recently raided the Luxons or (more likely) captured a ship with a very valuable cargo.

[Cirian]

They're all pirates, so they probably trade and steal from each other

[eowen]

we do know that piracy used to be incouraged by the luxons and still is to some extent. the different luxons clans commit acts of piracy on each other, so maybe the corsairs are related somehow. It could be like they said though loot from a raid on a ship. I doubt however that the corsairs would have managed to get all the way into luxon territory, much too far from the coast.

[Quintus Antonius]

I think it is possible, and quite likely, that elements of the Luxons can be found in the Corsairs, however, I do not believe that the group known as Corsairs can be considered part of Luxon society.

Pirates by their nature generally don't come from any one group, but are rather a mishmash of various unsavory fellows. While some aspects of the Luxons have undoutably made their way into the Corsairs, it is unlikely the Luxon governmental structure is directly supporting the Corsairs. More than likely, they aquired the jade from underhand dealings or raids.

For all we know, that isn't a Corsair ship at all, and the Luxons just crashed and were slaughtered by them.

[King Kull]

I think the fact that the ship crashed is evidence enough that it has been commanded by Luxons. :)

If these Luxons are parts of the Corsairs around the wreck is not clear.

It could have been a Luxon Trader.
Alternatively, a ship manned by a supranational crew of privateers.


I fear Jatoro Musagi was the tillerman of this doomed ship! :((

[Kalidri]

Yeah as an above poster said - both things are true:

- Luxons are known to practice piracy, particularly the Serpent Clan

- Pirates in the real world were amazingly diverse and egalitarian in their own crooked way. The honor of theives so to speak.

So it could be the Luxons are trading with and supporting the pirates. Or, there are Luxon members of the pirates. Or a merchant ship carrying Luxon goods got raided by the pirates.

What I have seen of the corsairs so far though suggests something more organised on the order of the Barbary coast pirates of the late middle ages - they roamed the Barbary Coast (north africa) and raided EVERYONE. They were more of a culture than the pirates that were in the caribbean that had the "mixed heritages" that I mentioned above. I believe they were led by a sultan (???). Need to read up on them.

[Skyy High]

They could very well be luxons, but they're probably more closely "aligned" with the Crimson Skull. They're also pirates/raiders, and though Jatoro switched from Crimson Skull to Luxon...there's no telling that he never went back. Corsair garments look more like crimson skull clothes anyway.

[Quintus Antonius]

What I have seen of the corsairs so far though suggests something more organised on the order of the Barbary coast pirates of the late middle ages - they roamed the Barbary Coast (north africa) and raided EVERYONE. They were more of a culture than the pirates that were in the caribbean that had the "mixed heritages" that I mentioned above. I believe they were led by a sultan (???). Need to read up on them.

Yup, I thought the same thing when I was playing the NPE. The Barbers were very organized. They were essentially a pirate nation. It would also fit with the North African theme of Nightfall to have a group inspired by the Barbary Pirates.

They could very well be luxons, but they're probably more closely "aligned" with the Crimson Skull. They're also pirates/raiders, and though Jatoro switched from Crimson Skull to Luxon...there's no telling that he never went back. Corsair garments look more like crimson skull clothes anyway.

Good observation.

[Arkhan The Black]

I think it was just a Luxon trading ship that where to deliver jade to some wealthy Nobel in Elona. Unfortunate for them they arrived when Corsair raids where more frequent then usually.

The fact that the ship has crashed on to a small island suggest that it could have been an accident during nighttime. The poor Luxon traders might have mistaken the Corsairs for the locals. I don't think the Corsair would crash a ship on purpose since they are rather valuable for those that travel the seas.

Because the jade is to heavy to lift by a few Corsairs themselves they probably set up a camp to guard their claim.

[eowen]

I do not believe that the group known as Corsairs can be considered part of Luxon society.

No I don't think so either.


Pirates by their nature generally don't come from any one group, but are rather a mishmash of various unsavory fellows.

I would have said this too but in the case of the luxons they actualy do come from one group, and it would be unlike the luxons to let foreigners into their guilds.

[hendryx]

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Just a small point here in that one of the quests you recieve in the game (was there during the preview weekend) you recieve from the kid that was "missing" in factions. You know the one. In Factions on the isle you get a mission to find the missing son, and it turns out he's run away from home and joined the pirates. Then here in Nightfall we run into him again and this time he's with the Corsairs it seems and he's enjoying his pirate life.

From the sounds of it just like in our history there are various groups of pirates all originating from various areas. I would thing that the chance in that at some points the pirates from Factions and the pirates in Nightfall tend to run into each other and fight over the spoils of their raids. At times this may be that they've captured a ship or two as well as the Jade, or it may just simply be that they raided a Luxon vessal at some point. The "lost child" may also have been aquired during a raid... or he may have transfered over himself at some unknown pirate outpost out there.

[Avoc]

^ Very good observation!