View Full Version : Black Parade's Interesting 3P3W build
Valerria
19-12-2006, 20:09
Last night noticed that this Japanese guild, tag 死中死, was listed 3 times in a row for HA under observer so I took a look, and watched match after match for more than an hour. They had at least 8 or more consecutive wins, with a rather interesting build.
They had 3 mostly defensive P/W, P/Mo, 2 had Angelic Bond and one had Song of Purification, if that's an elite. They were the support guys, responsible for keeping up the 3 warriors. The main heal seems to be Signet of Synergy, along with other motivation skills.
The warriors' set up were more interesting. 2 were W/P, though I don't think they used any critical paragon skills. One was W/Mo for Infuse Health. All there were set up as high tacticals and used Steady Stance as elite. Their main form of attack was spamming Desperate Blow/Drunken Blow while having Steady Stance on, which gives energy and adrenaline whenever a knockdown is prevented. This lets them keep using the attack skills and spam Fear Me all the time. Everyone near them was losing 4 energy per second if not more due to the frequency of the spams.
Several matches featured 1-man hero/NPC teams, but rest of the time they still held up pretty well under intense attacks and did a pretty good job of keeping everyone alive despite not having monks. Several challenging team also featured soul reaping N/Mo and rits as back line but those had trouble doing enough damage to unseat them. More than once Black Parade's hero died prior to 2 minute mark but they always made a quick comeback somehow. Ultimately they lost to an all ele team that used 4 or more copies of Sandstorm for massive AoE.
thedrjay
19-12-2006, 22:07
Yep one of the new IWAY flavors out there. The warriors use steady stance/drunken blow etc to push out massive amounts of pressure.
Valerria
19-12-2006, 23:45
Yep one of the new IWAY flavors out there. The warriors use steady stance/drunken blow etc to push out massive amounts of pressure.
I think what helps even more is the massive energy degen. Sometimes their warriors while defending altar would beat on attackers rather than the backline. Even thumpers seem less effective when losing 4 energy per second.
Yup, this is yet another popular pressure build. Using drunken blow and its clone + steady stance to keep up energy + give them huge amounts of adrenaline to spam Fear me! Great for Altars because fear me spam on the ghosts can stop them capping.
I've played a warrior from this build and it really is easy to run, easier then smiting to be honest.
ImSoToast
20-12-2006, 00:33
THis is due to the fact that fear me is way way overpowered.
An aoe energy denial that a warrior has, spammable ? Crap 3 or more warriors could e deny a whole team almost better than mesmerb but withouth the energy cost. Fear me should be just like vim and be target foe.
melandrus elite
20-12-2006, 01:53
ahhh my friend is an officer in black parade, and told me about it. I finally faced him and after one match made the decision, steady stance+fear me is way overpowered. especially cuz they can also condition you with drunken blow at the same time.
betterjonjon
20-12-2006, 05:39
ya we faced both Black Parade tonite in halls(and won) and we faced Sour Patch Kids with the same type of build just it was 6 paragons and 3 were P/W to cover up the fact that they were that build(commonly known as Zergway now -_-)
thedrjay
20-12-2006, 14:30
Due to the scaling of "Fear Me" and the significant points necessary to make it effective (I believe 14 to get -4 energy) I hardly think it's overpowered. It's the same as any AoE. Don't ball up.
Miraino Kakera
20-12-2006, 15:54
Been seeing a lot of this since I started tombing again. The 3 war's spamming Fear Me hurts a bit, but I believe I saw something similar to this before I quit tombs a while back, with A/W's spamming Fear Me on Ghostly Heroes to prevent capping. Though they seem to be able to chain it well with To The Limit>Fear Me>Steady>Drunken> Fear Me>Steady>Desperation and so on, it still doesn't seem to be enough to completely deny somebody. I always run an edenial swap when I play a caster, and for tombs, that's generally a monk, simply kiting them seems to suffice for countering their edenial. Energy hardly seems to be a problem vs. these kinds of teams. And well, channeling in tombs ftw.
Laser
good bye ward against melee. i been preaching about how crapy that skill is and now I have proof. Finally the metagame has evolved to the point were standing in a circle is no longer a valid defense againt melee. Time to wipe the dust from my SS necro.
thedrjay
20-12-2006, 17:30
Just keep thinking that. You have what proof???
FuriousWallace
20-12-2006, 18:15
ya we faced both Black Parade tonite in halls(and won) and we faced Sour Patch Kids with the same type of build just it was 6 paragons and 3 were P/W to cover up the fact that they were that build(commonly known as Zergway now -_-)
Yea, sorta. We used the paragons for the attack speed with aggressive refrain. It is better than any attack speed the warrior can provide, since you can keep it up all of the time, if your support guys are doing there jobs. 3 Paras with to the limit, aggressive, and SS+DB, you can rock out 27 energy in just a couple of seconds on one or maybe multiple targets.
Its definitely alot of fun, but not much coordination required in pressuring/killing average teams. The good teams we faced, we had to call spikes with drunken and whatever adrenal skill your p/w had.
Anyways, its pretty mindless, except for the strats you have to have to win several hoh matches in a row.
I'd been meaning to watch them over the weekend after a few people in the alliance started asking about them. The tourney blocking out the HA fights kept me away until late yesterday.
Interesting build combining warrior pressure with paragon support.
THis is due to the fact that fear me is way way overpowered.
An aoe energy denial that a warrior has, spammable ? Crap 3 or more warriors could e deny a whole team almost better than mesmerb but withouth the energy cost. Fear me should be just like vim and be target foe.
I'm glad skill balances aren't always based on the Vocal Minority. **cough cough** :rolleyes:
good bye ward against melee. i been preaching about how crapy that skill is and now I have proof. Finally the metagame has evolved to the point were standing in a circle is no longer a valid defense againt melee. Time to wipe the dust from my SS necro.It still keeps a warrior/assassin/dervish from being fully effective, devastatingly so if combined with Aegis or Guardian. But I do get some of your point, compared to an Aegis chain the ward isn't such a good deal.
Still a "Fear Me!" type can prowl the edges and build adrenaline and still cause some energy loss. Those that use "To the Limit!" as well can do a cute double spam which has mixed results.
Lord Natural
20-12-2006, 19:30
I don't have a problem with the build, other than how annoying it is that they can spam a few "fear me" on your ghost and he will refuse to use claim resource. Started bringing along Sympathetic Visage just for these builds.
The thing about that build is that there is a nice paragon skill called brace yourself. It deals damage to a random enemy when a party enemy should be knocked down. There was a bug with the skill that made it not end when it should, so it could be kept on the warriors spamming their knockdown attacks to deal an extra ~60 damage.
Phoenixtech
21-12-2006, 00:42
First off, Black Parade is not a Japanese guild. Second they did not invent the build. They might have modified the build slightly but did not invent the build.
melandrus elite
21-12-2006, 00:57
The build I now run with this is a famine/martyr ranger for more damage do to fear me edenial. No angelic bonder though...
Snype Doesnt Heal
22-12-2006, 00:36
First off, Black Parade is not a Japanese guild. Second they did not invent the build. They might have modified the build slightly but did not invent the build.
Ughhh i hate to admit it (i'm not too fond of pheryl) but they DID create the build.
Just keep thinking that. You have what proof???
my proof? No one listened to me ^_^
Djinn Effer
22-12-2006, 03:18
Ughhh i hate to admit it (i'm not too fond of pheryl) but they DID create the build.
Well... technically they didn't. Paragons have been around and so has fear me builds. That's like combining cg + pd and saying you invented the build. >.>
Snype Doesnt Heal
22-12-2006, 05:48
Well... technically they didn't. Paragons have been around and so has fear me builds. That's like combining cg + pd and saying you invented the build. >.>
So i guess if i create an entire build based just off of two characters i cant claim it as my own because Anet created the proffessions? Oh please, get over it.
Phoenixtech
22-12-2006, 07:33
Ughhh i hate to admit it (i'm not too fond of pheryl) but they DID create the build.
I was running fearway when pheryl was running bspike back in the day. BTW, if pheryl is reading this, I'm not the one who **** talks you everytime we play your team, that's virt. We've ran 6-man fearway forever with 3 wars and 3 support chars, and ran 3w/3p a LONG time ago. We've prob ran 100 variations of fearway and used famine back in September that they are just implementing now.
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=423005
Almas Darksoul
22-12-2006, 13:49
Ward Against Foes is much better anti-melee than Ward vs Melee, IMO.
Also, this is degrading into another "I invented build X" thread.
I hope who ever own this build can show that they have patented it so no one will leech from their intellectual property. Maybe even start selling licenses for it like 10k per run? :shocked:
Djinn Effer
22-12-2006, 20:59
So i guess if i create an entire build based just off of two characters i cant claim it as my own because Anet created the proffessions? Oh please, get over it.
I never said because ANet made the professions. I said Fear Me builds have been around for a very long time (since beta) and Paragon builds have been around since the beginning of NF... The only thing someone did is combine the two, though possibly a unique idea they can't really claim it. It's impossible and silly to claim a build. Nobody will ever really believe you and you can't honestly prove that you or any other specific person made a build. Any other given person could have came up with the same exact build and maybe just wasn't as successful with it for whatever reason.
Example? Even pRp cannot claim they invented Ranger spike. Valor did not invent it, it was around for a very very long time. The guy that actually made it's name was Bildo something or other... But Valor took a preexisting build that did not work and made it work. That is why pRp was known, they made it work and they made it work well. That is why people are known for "making builds," it isn't so much the build itself as it is figuring out how to run it effectively and doing it enough that people notice that it's effective.
There was a thread months and months ago about some guild trying to claim they invented fear me... Feel free to look it up if you'd like.
Actually, I believe I invented the concept of warriors using the skill "Fear Me!" as a form of e-denial.
I can swear I was the first ever person to go in HA with the dual AoE smiting, but you never know someone else might have went in a few seconds before my team.
Djinn Effer
23-12-2006, 04:06
I thought I invented 2 war + 2 monk builds. :heart:
CassiusDrehyg
23-12-2006, 22:50
*sigh*
Next month's FOTM?
That build is called zwergway and i have played 2 weeks ago first time that build. Maybe ppl has modded it since then. But its still for low ranked players to komplex to be a FotM. (Well some of my guildies had major problems to play a build without monks. sigh)
Nevermind their are alot of counters. Like Aegis, Wards, Some nice Paragon skills. And that build isnt overpowered.
chrystianek
27-12-2006, 01:11
who cares if u runed fear me build before
we put that build together so Black paraqdes takes credit for this build
we made the build as it is
now its beeing moded from iways to all sorts of diffrent things
zerg way-invented by Black Parades
ok since you all know me so well i would liek to get this out of the way right now... this build was made from black parades.. the war consept was originaly found from pizza.. but we moded them for our own use. the paragons are strickly a black parades invention and have many combinations to how we keep our people allive... and as for the person that assosiates with virtual. i talked to virt when we still played togeather about making a fear me build befor people started testing things with it and you guys never used Desp + steady stance... so suck it up and deal... you guys started testing after i wanted to go to old school days when it ***** halls and was nerphed befor... (fear me wasent nurphed one of the skills that buffed it was) so talk all the **** you guys want.. call us iway (we dont have iway) but 3 key factors are... 1/ no iway in the build 2/ we are on vent and actualy coordinate our build 3/ please if your going to spam something spam the spirit spaming builds that dont use vent... thank you
I invented Sever Artery + Gash, don't anyone try to take credit for that.
I invented the class warrior. Don't nodbody deny it, or ill cry.
calderstrake
27-12-2006, 07:00
I invented Sever Artery + Gash, don't anyone try to take credit for that.
Actually, credit for this goes to ANet c/o White Mantle melee characters.
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I agree "Fear Me!" is a bit overpowered as a -4 aoe energy denial that is spammable. Perhaps the suggestion that it be target foe like ViM is worth merit.
Psychotic
27-12-2006, 07:25
you guys never used Desp + steady stance
i saw warriors in RA using this combo minutes into the Nightfall PvP PREVIEW event.
chrystianek
27-12-2006, 07:32
its not the point of warrriors with steady stance
its the combination of those warriors and paragons tugether
its the same as hex presure + jaged bones
or spirit spam + necro healers
and its not about ra/ta/gvg its about ha
and other ppl claiming that they they created zergway
we just posted here so its clear
angelicloki
27-12-2006, 08:53
First off, Black Parade is not a Japanese guild. Second they did not invent the build. They might have modified the build slightly but did not invent the build.
your correct, we are not japenese. The guild tag isn't even japanese, its Chinese, and the symbols are "Death" "person" "Death", with the exception of several grammer symbols, its a person surrounded by death.
for those of you who haven't been watching, My name is Angelic Loki, and Im an officer in The Black Parades. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me ingame. You can certainly attempt to flame me, but I promise, it wont bother me at all.
And YES, we have been modding the build slightly, but we did create it. We were running this build since NF has been releases. No, literally, since 10 minutes after. We shelved it for awhile when EVERY team had VM, but we brought it back when the trend went away.
It started out as a modded IWAY, however it no longer is. The differance between the people who win halls with this build and the people who lose on Burial Mounds is the tactics. IWAY had no tactics. IWAY is also no longer on the bar. The point of the build is positioning. Where is paragons are isn't near as important as the Warriors, and being a good warrior takes alot of skill in this build. yes, the skills are monotonous and easy to use, but that isn't everything. And dont even get me started on the infuse warrior, thats and EXCEPTIONALLY hard skill set to play.
It wont become a FOTM, because for some reason people cant seem to figure out how to run it, go figure. Im not completely sure why, oh yeah, I am. you need tactics. Its why we win when we are using our core team, and we dont when we aren't.
We dont want to claim to invent the fear me warrior. Your right, they were in use before they were in our build. However, we can take the cred for the 3w3p combo, as I had never seen anyone make that build work before we did.
I just thought Id clear up some facts, and THANK YOU to the person who actually gave us cred.
Thanks Guys, see you ingame
Angelic/Angelik Loki
angelicloki
27-12-2006, 08:55
ok since you all know me so well i would liek to get this out of the way right now... this build was made from black parades.. the war consept was originaly found from pizza.. but we moded them for our own use. the paragons are strickly a black parades invention and have many combinations to how we keep our people allive... and as for the person that assosiates with virtual. i talked to virt when we still played togeather about making a fear me build befor people started testing things with it and you guys never used Desp + steady stance... so suck it up and deal... you guys started testing after i wanted to go to old school days when it ***** halls and was nerphed befor... (fear me wasent nurphed one of the skills that buffed it was) so talk all the **** you guys want.. call us iway (we dont have iway) but 3 key factors are... 1/ no iway in the build 2/ we are on vent and actualy coordinate our build 3/ please if your going to spam something spam the spirit spaming builds that dont use vent... thank you
for those of you wondering, this would be the real pheryel. Nobody else quite has such bad grammer.. i mean seriously. holy ****
loki... eat me... but seiousely if you get past the pheryel language berrier.... i made good points
Phoenixtech
27-12-2006, 14:28
ok since you all know me so well i would liek to get this out of the way right now... this build was made from black parades.. the war consept was originaly found from pizza.. but we moded them for our own use. the paragons are strickly a black parades invention and have many combinations to how we keep our people allive... and as for the person that assosiates with virtual. i talked to virt when we still played togeather about making a fear me build befor people started testing things with it and you guys never used Desp + steady stance... so suck it up and deal... you guys started testing after i wanted to go to old school days when it ***** halls and was nerphed befor... (fear me wasent nurphed one of the skills that buffed it was) so talk all the **** you guys want.. call us iway (we dont have iway) but 3 key factors are... 1/ no iway in the build 2/ we are on vent and actualy coordinate our build 3/ please if your going to spam something spam the spirit spaming builds that dont use vent... thank you
1) Your own officer admit it was started as an IWAY mod.
2) You have no clue what you are talking about.
3) Go ask Olxor if you have any questions on who first ran the fearway build + concept, including the angelic song paragon setup.
4) Claiming steady stance + desp blow is like claiming sever + gash. GG.
5) Your own officer admit that you started running the build shortly after NF was released, we were running fearway before 6v6 was even implemented. Check the date stamp on the link of my post. You might have modded the backline a bit but don't even try to claim the concept of fear me pressure + fearing out the ghostly to hold halls.
6) People stopped using fearway because of ENERGIZING FINALE and the paragon holding builds. Once that was nerfed it paved way for fearway to come back again.
7) If you want to really discuss details about this build, let's take it to guru where there might still have some actual HAers around, feel free to dig up my old post on fearway and we'll talk there.
BTW for those of you reading this that wants to take down their setup, just bring well of silence, it'll serve as a nice soft counter by giving degen to non-fear me teams, and totally wtfpwn them on the altar. Alternatively, you could just do what the old people did to counter us, BiP the ghostly.
angelicloki
27-12-2006, 20:41
1) Your own officer admit it was started as an IWAY mod.
STARTED, but is no longer. Dont twist my words, I promise I can twist yours better, just ask Pheryel. Im just being nice. Aside from that, the original build did NOT use IWAY. We put iway on in a later rendition to give us the long duration attack speed buff. We could just as easily have used Tiger Stance.
2) You have no clue what you are talking about.
That sounds like an argument you would present when you have no factual evidence. Can you not come up with something better?
3) Go ask Olxor if you have any questions on who first ran the fearway build + concept, including the angelic song paragon setup.
Ol Xor is in our guild, one. Two, Ol Xor uses 6 Paragons, with no fear me on the build. Three, we used Angelic Bond (Not Song, know your skills before you argue, it makes you sound stupid) in the NF Preview, within a matter of minutes. Im sure someone used it before us, but then im sure someone used Fear Me within the first couple seconds of the game coming out. That doesn't mean they made the build. It means they used a skill. Congrats, you can press buttons!
4) Claiming steady stance + desp blow is like claiming sever + gash. GG.
We aren't claiming that combo. We use it, but we aren't claiming it. That would be like saying DeeR's holding build uses a Divert Hex, they must have made the divert hex build! Nope. They found a use for a individual build in a team build. They can claim credit for the team build, not the divert hex. Let me repeat once more. WE DONT CLAIM STEADY OR DESPERATION. Thank you for reading.
5) Your own officer admit that you started running the build shortly after NF was released, we were running fearway before 6v6 was even implemented. Check the date stamp on the link of my post. You might have modded the backline a bit but don't even try to claim the concept of fear me pressure + fearing out the ghostly to hold halls.
Wonderful. This isn't Fearway. Its zergway. The build works not because of the energy denial, but because of the mass damage reduction to allow the warriors the time to let the edenial work. We can hold, actually, without ever letting our ghost drop. We dont rely on Fear Me to hold, its a fall back in case something happens and our ghost dies.
6) People stopped using fearway because of ENERGIZING FINALE and the paragon holding builds. Once that was nerfed it paved way for fearway to come back again.
Very True, thank you for noticing... your point? If you pvp you accept that changes in the Meta nerf and unnerf builds. Nobody used to use Ward against Elements, now you see one commonly. That doesn't mean the skill sucked before and is good now, the skill didn't change. The meta did, which makes the skill useful again. Any good PvPer knows this. The Meta changed, away from Energizing and Vocal Minority, which allows us to run this build again. We may put it away and let the Meta change and bring it back. But then again, thats our choice, not yours.
7) If you want to really discuss details about this build, let's take it to guru where there might still have some actual HAers around, feel free to dig up my old post on fearway and we'll talk there.
I think that discussing the build here is fine. You can referance your thread there if you feel like, but where we discuss it makes no differance. The tools are the same here as there. Besides, I wouldn't need to PvP to refute an argument with as many holes as yours has.
Anyway, As always Angelic Loki Ingame, and ill see you there
--AL
thedrjay
27-12-2006, 21:15
Oh this is getting nice and juicy. Reminds me of GH posts. Please keep the drama going!
PS Zergway sucks.
angelicloki
27-12-2006, 22:07
Oh this is getting nice and juicy. Reminds me of GH posts. Please keep the drama going!
PS Zergway sucks.
duly noted.
Traynor Dragonblade
27-12-2006, 22:12
Actually, I believe I invented the concept of warriors using the skill "Fear Me!" as a form of e-denial.
Actually, I believe Arena Net did when they....created the skill description, coded it to take away energy and put it into a warrior attribute line.
bellissima
28-12-2006, 00:14
ya we faced both Black Parade tonite in halls(and won) and we faced Sour Patch Kids with the same type of build just it was 6 paragons and 3 were P/W to cover up the fact that they were that build(commonly known as Zergway now -_-)
Missed this thread too. Actually we only run 5 Paragons. The reason we run P/Ws instead of warriors is for Agressive Refrain in the leadership line. We were determined NOT to run IWAY warriors. :rolleyes: The sixth character is a smoke trapper.
Like IWAY, this type of build is only good against teams that aren't ready for it. AFAIK, we were the first to run it, but there's nothing new about any of the underlying concepts.
Wow Phoenixtech
are you dumb. everything you staited wasent even said in my post. i said that we borrowed the consept of steady stance + depsperation from pizza... originaly this build was with D/W with fear me. second i started staiting that the way the metta was changing that a fear me build would take over long befor lucis found out the ghost needs 5 energy to use clame resurse to (asmuch as i hate the guy now) virtual hashiko. at which point i started seeing not only lucis use it but a new mod to iway.
as loki stated we put in iway long after we already started running zergway and we had zergway in a GW Freaks file since pre release of GWNF but it wasent fully tweeked yet being 3 D/W and 3 Paragons.
dude if you wanna try to make me look bad. which many do. Atleast try to call me nub for having done the original IWAY. or how about B Spike. or MM in a spike build. or a Trapper befor VIM came out... o ya because if you did you would nodice a trend. whatever i have done i have been nodiced for... maby because im good. if i hadent been nodiced for things you could say i sucked and only know one trick. but this is not the case. maby my spelling sucks. but in halls the new guys recognize me... the old school guys still remember me. and really if you guys did invent it. dose it matter audviousely you guys wornt good enoff to make a dent in the meta considerin they are talking about us and not you.
sorry you feel we stoll you build but we dident even look at your build when we made this. we took consepts for the war from pizza. but that was in GvG not HA. i like to think you might be smarter but apparently im having a battle of whits with an unarmed man.
good day
Djinn Effer
28-12-2006, 00:46
I think I feel a little less intelligent after reading this thread. :rolleyes:
Phoenixtech
28-12-2006, 00:57
1) Your own officer admit it was started as an IWAY mod.
STARTED, but is no longer. Dont twist my words, I promise I can twist yours better, just ask Pheryel. Im just being nice. Aside from that, the original build did NOT use IWAY. We put iway on in a later rendition to give us the long duration attack speed buff. We could just as easily have used Tiger Stance.
Er, learn to read. You basically agreed with me that it started as an IWAY mod, where did I say anything about twisting words or made any other arguments? Oh and trust me, I'M being nicer than you are here, if I wanted to make an issue out of this you'll know it. Also, you couldn't have gotten the same result with Tiger's Stance, the fact you even suggesting it shows lack of understanding of the build.
3) Go ask Olxor if you have any questions on who first ran the fearway build + concept, including the angelic song paragon setup.
Ol Xor is in our guild, one. Two, Ol Xor uses 6 Paragons, with no fear me on the build. Three, we used Angelic Bond (Not Song, know your skills before you argue, it makes you sound stupid) in the NF Preview, within a matter of minutes. Im sure someone used it before us, but then im sure someone used Fear Me within the first couple seconds of the game coming out. That doesn't mean they made the build. It means they used a skill. Congrats, you can press buttons!
No ****, the whole reason I even mentioned Olxor is that he's someone we both know and I know he is in your guild. Geez, reading comprehension 101 please. Oh noz, I made a spelling error, maybe I sud talc like phrel 2 pruve a point.
4) Claiming steady stance + desp blow is like claiming sever + gash. GG.
We aren't claiming that combo. We use it, but we aren't claiming it. That would be like saying DeeR's holding build uses a Divert Hex, they must have made the divert hex build! Nope. They found a use for a individual build in a team build. They can claim credit for the team build, not the divert hex. Let me repeat once more. WE DONT CLAIM STEADY OR DESPERATION. Thank you for reading.
Steady Stance + Desp Blow was in direct response to pherl's gibberish. Learn to read.
5) Your own officer admit that you started running the build shortly after NF was released, we were running fearway before 6v6 was even implemented. Check the date stamp on the link of my post. You might have modded the backline a bit but don't even try to claim the concept of fear me pressure + fearing out the ghostly to hold halls.
Wonderful. This isn't Fearway. Its zergway. The build works not because of the energy denial, but because of the mass damage reduction to allow the warriors the time to let the edenial work. We can hold, actually, without ever letting our ghost drop. We dont rely on Fear Me to hold, its a fall back in case something happens and our ghost dies.
Don't make me laugh lol, let me make very clear what you guys did to "invent" this build, I'm going to be nice and assume you didn't outright copied one of our variants. Your front line is basically our fearway 3 wars with the obvious combo of steady + desp blow. Your back line is basically the remnants of the old paragon holding setup. Hardly something of a new concept, and MANY people, including our group have ran pretty much the same setup way before you guys. BTW, your build was also ran ALL over the place in GvG and you certainly wasn't the first one to run it.
7) If you want to really discuss details about this build, let's take it to guru where there might still have some actual HAers around, feel free to dig up my old post on fearway and we'll talk there.
I think that discussing the build here is fine. You can referance your thread there if you feel like, but where we discuss it makes no differance. The tools are the same here as there. Besides, I wouldn't need to PvP to refute an argument with as many holes as yours has.
Anyway, As always Angelic Loki Ingame, and ill see you there
--AL
No offence, but this forum doesn't really have that many active HAers around, I'm sure you'd like that since you have your whole guild posting in this thread.
Pherl, GOD you are a dumbass. My advice to you would be to go back to school cuz you obviously flunked out. I can totally see why virt flames you everytime we play. I would try to explain to you that the basis of the build was made way before dervishs even existed but that would probably just go right over your head. Either way, I have to agree with Djinn, participating in this thread is lowering my IQ, you can claim whatever you want I don't really give a damn, hell, black paradise invented wammos. Yea that's it. Eitherway, enjoy your 15 seconds of fame, I'm sure you guys can pat yourselves on the back for holding halls when everyone is doing wintersday stuff.
think what you want.. we where the ones that pulled off a 19 consec hold... prolly better than you have ever done with the build... right there says something.... tactics > build every time bud... deal
Djinn Effer
28-12-2006, 01:31
When you have a 78 consecutive hold call me. kthxbai :heart:
i have had better that was just the consec hold with that build... so whatever
phe, when you invent an original build that wasnt stolen off of someone. plz gime a call. we can talk. and stop saying i ebayed my r12, youve been saying that since i was r3. thx.
Phoenixtech
28-12-2006, 02:10
hey Valerria is in your guild right?
that is funny z3phrn since i dont know who you are and never tell anyone they ebay there account .. you must be mistaking me for someone else
Actually, credit for this goes to ANet c/o White Mantle melee characters.
No, credit goes out to me, I used it way before Anet. You see, I used it way back in the beta when Kryta and the White Mantle were not even put in the game yet. Ask anyone, I created it.
Actually, I believe Arena Net did when they....created the skill description, coded it to take away energy and put it into a warrior attribute line.
No man. Anet may have made the skill and put it in a warrior attribute, but I was the first to actually use it on a primary warrior for the purpose of e-denial. So just accept it, and let it be known that I created "Fear Me!" e-denial.
Alright. let me be the first to say that the flames should stop. Pheryels build wins him halls alot. Its true. Mainly because he plays 24 hours a day, has no job, no life, but thats besides the point. I mean, if you play nonstop, you will win eventually. Especially during noobhour.
Second, if pheryel claims it to be his build, let him. You claimed you invented vimway. great. You claimed you invented jaundiced gaze bspike. great. You claimed you invented your little 2 rit backline thing. great. Now you are claiming you invented this fearway build, which shish has been running since 8 man. great. I know you, and you've wanted to run fearway since way back, but you didnt have a decent build to steal, til now. Well, you can have it. It's not like the originators of the build can't beat down scrub copycats. Like you.
Phoenixtech
28-12-2006, 02:44
It's ok virt, let him have it, after all it's Christmas time and for a guy as pathetic as he is in real life, I consider it charity for "spethual people".
Djinn Effer
28-12-2006, 02:47
You're all way too serious over a build.. **** all, who cares?! Jesus, it's like a bunch of little preschoolers throwing crayons at each other, seriously.
now that i know im arguing with virt i know it is a lost cause... since you have no friends in HA other than a select few.. to the point people assosiate yoru name as the other dryder because your liked so much... andi dident clame to invent jaundice.. i said my build was modded from its original. but whatever you know best... you invented the internet after all.. im done with this trend considering the only ones talking in it arnt worth it. and if snype is reading this. if you got something to say like calling me a dick .. do it to me not through my guildys.... have fun with your friends people
how does claiming that i have no friends in ha justify your crapway build as your own? and honestly, taking all my rejects and forming a guild and running my stolen builds, are you trying to be me or something?
The only thing i see in this thread is people bashing each other, flaming and claiming to have invented a certain build. You can't actually claim to have invented a build, not even if you posted a thread with a build that looked like it. Many people don't use these forums, and if they do, they will most likely not post it.
I'm starting to regret even going to the PvP forums... I blame the PM i got here about the HA 6v6 8v8 discussion :tongue: Damn you!!! :grin:
EDIT: Oh **** sorry, i didn't realize this thread was getting dead... Dunno how i got here :shocked: Would delete my post to make it look like no one replied here... but i can't..(can i?)
halfthought
10-01-2007, 01:31
think what you want.. we where the ones that pulled off a 19 consec hold... prolly better than you have ever done with the build... right there says something.... tactics > build every time bud... deal
Oh I love the PVP forum, Threads get more retarded then in the complaining threads. So you find that your argument skills suck, so you quickly divert the attention, and begin to downright flaming the other person play skills
Nice one:rolleyes:
lifeinthefridge
11-01-2007, 03:07
First off, Black Parade is not a Japanese guild. Second they did not invent the build. They might have modified the build slightly but did not invent the build.
I AGREE ANET FORGOT TO TEST NIGHTFALL[Oops] DINT MAKE THIS BUILD BUT WE ARE THE LEETSAUSAGE AT IT AND ITS NOT ZERGWAY ITS WALRUSWAY WAIT...MY MISTAKE EVERYONE ELSE RUNS ZERGWAY WE RUN WALRUSWAY WE ARE THE OWNAGE
This isnt iway just because Yunas Eles is the leader of the guild you just cant handle the uberness
~Edge Bomber
lifeinthefridge
11-01-2007, 03:10
now that i know im arguing with virt i know it is a lost cause... since you have no friends in HA other than a select few.. to the point people assosiate yoru name as the other dryder because your liked so much... andi dident clame to invent jaundice.. i said my build was modded from its original. but whatever you know best... you invented the internet after all.. im done with this trend considering the only ones talking in it arnt worth it. and if snype is reading this. if you got something to say like calling me a dick .. do it to me not through my guildys.... have fun with your friends people
Phereyl might have claimed to make this build but Natures Renewal,Yunas Ele, Matt B, Me, own you at it so you should just stop running it imo
I Matt B I
11-01-2007, 05:20
Dear Pheyrel,
You invented the build but you have no idea of how to run it. Your tatics are awful. You say your good at tombs because you got a "115" fame run. Every map my guild sees you on we gank you. We have never lost to you. Your just not a good player. You have your rank because you play this game 24/7.
Love,
A player that is better at running your build
P.S nice grammer.:laughing:
Yunas Ele
11-01-2007, 08:02
It started out as a modded IWAY, however it no longer is. The differance between the people who win halls with this build and the people who lose on Burial Mounds is the tactics. IWAY had no tactics. IWAY is also no longer on the bar. The point of the build is positioning. Where is paragons are isn't near as important as the Warriors, and being a good warrior takes alot of skill in this build. yes, the skills are monotonous and easy to use, but that isn't everything. And dont even get me started on the infuse warrior, thats and EXCEPTIONALLY hard skill set to play.
IWAY had just as much tactics as "zergway", if not more. This is coming from someone who has more experience than you with both builds. The positioning in this build is a joke and a half, IWAY required more positioning. Paras, just make sure everyone is in range of your shout and the obvious things that every build requires u to do like try to keep interupt rangers obstructed from you, etc.... oh and hide when putting song up hoh... behind pillar but still in range of ghost... Warrior just steady stance->drunken/desperate, fear me out casters, usually monks. D-chop key skills... When its alter time, well when you play with pheryel its just ball up on the alter and fear me spam. When we die to mad aoe like 16 sandstorms (2 teams /w 4 echoed ss) he blames the loss on "bad warriors" when he himself demanded we ball up on the alter. But here is the real tactics to play it. If they don't have much aoe, go ball up on it. If not you need to split it. 1 war blocks each ghost and fear mes it. The other war alternates between the 2 ghosts with fear mes and also goes and kills any things that may be screwing you over like roaring winds and frozen soil and possibly sneak a d-chop on vocal minority or well of silence if he can. You're right though, the infuse warrior is difficult. I mean infusing 80 armor targets when strongest spikes in 6v6 struggle to drop 60 armor targets. Oh but its difficult to keep the 10 energy handy on a war. No its not, and even if it was, swapping to a +15/-1 set is oh soo difficult...
It wont become a FOTM, because for some reason people cant seem to figure out how to run it, go figure. Im not completely sure why, oh yeah, I am. you need tactics. Its why we win when we are using our core team, and we dont when we aren't.
Actually people have figured out how to run it, better than you guys as a matter of fact. When I've run it with my team, we've steamrolled you guys every time. Core team and non-core team makes difference between when you guys hold or not? More like it depends if its like uber dead hours where only ppl on are those 1337 pve whammos and their firestorm ele friends, who are of coursed accompined by 2 heroes (or more, pre-nerf).
We could just as easily have used Tiger Stance./QUOTE]
Of course you could. Forget that steady stance, which you should be using every 5 seconds (unless of course you have diversion on you or whatever other circumstance that you wouldn't use it in) is a stance. So its tigers stance. In case you haven't picked up on it yet, you can only have 1 stance activated at a time... just shows how much you understand your own build and the game mechanics...
[QUOTE=Pheryel;4608616]dude if you wanna try to make me look bad. which many do. Atleast try to call me nub for having done the original IWAY. or how about B Spike. or MM in a spike build. or a Trapper befor VIM came out... o ya because if you did you would nodice a trend. whatever i have done i have been nodiced for... maby because im good. if i hadent been nodiced for things you could say i sucked and only know one trick. but this is not the case. maby my spelling sucks. but in halls the new guys recognize me... the old school guys still remember me. and really if you guys did invent it. dose it matter audviousely you guys wornt good enoff to make a dent in the meta considerin they are talking about us and not you.
No pheryel, you're not good. Anyone who has played in your teams knows this. Your tactics fail and majority of the time it was little evil (who I admit is definitely a good player) calling the tactics, not you. Being recognized in halls means nothing. This is coming from someone who is wayyy more known in halls than you ever have been and ever will be.
You made a dent in the meta because you played it more than anyone else, not because of whether you made it or not. Heres something you said on vent that I remember quite well: "The only time I go out is to go to work and to see my girl on the weekends so I have tons of time to play GW" and how you had your boss shorten your hours so you had more time to play gw or something along those lines.
think what you want.. we where the ones that pulled off a 19 consec hold... prolly better than you have ever done with the build... right there says something.... tactics > build every time bud... deal
Pheryel, I don't think you've ever held 19 times with zergway. Last time I played with you, you thought you were the **** for doing a 115 fame run. In reality a 115 fame run is not possible. 10 consec=96 fame. 11 consec=124. Either way its nothing to be bragging about.
Now if you did indeed pull of a 19 consec run well its still nothing special. At the times you hold I bet my grandma could grab some hench/heroes and hold a couple runs thats how dead it is. I've done more consec than that during primetime back in 8v8 when it was competitive and we actually had to hold off good teams....
P.S - Pheryel, you are by far the most cocky person I have ever heard on vent. Ever. I've played GW with many, many people. I've played other online games with many, many people. But you, on vent, are by far the most cocky player I have ever played with. It may not show that much in your posts but damn, if you people hear this guy on vent its hard not go insane. "u guys are in my grp ur gonna get so much fame", "dude i went for 115 fame run once im godly at this game" are just some of things pheryel will remind you every 2 seconds on vent. Okay, he doesn't say those word for word but he says similar things you get the point.
Parker Bsb
11-01-2007, 13:51
Ummm guys there's a little button at the top of each post, looks like the jolly roger (incase you don't know that's a skull typically with 2 crossed bones behind it - ours are below.. sue me :rolleyes: ) instead of fanning the flames next time click it and send me a report.
As much "fun" as this thread is, I really cant see how calling someone an idiot is really conductive to intelligent discussion.
PS: I invented monking
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