Shinigami God
20-02-2007, 03:54
Spoilers in all 3 Campaigns
First off, I'd like to apologize if this has already been stated or thought of before. If it has been, this is a pretty huge waste of time for me. :wink:
Crystal Desert Origins
For those of you who would like to follow to follow along with the investigation of these cultures, head to the Thirsty River mission within the Crystal Desert of Tyria and talk to our friend, the Ghostly Hero. He'll be giving us some interesting information about the Margonites, including some that is contradictory to the information we were given about the Margonites in the Nightfall campaign. However, a certain portion of his dialogue caught my eye. When asked, "How did they get here?" he responds:
"It might be hard to believe but many hundreds of years ago, much of the sand and sun-baked dunes were completely underwater. The Margonites, as you might have surmised by their architecture, were a sea-going culture, and they simply floated their way out here, looking for Ascension, backed when only the tops of dunes stuck out of the water.
They did not understand there is no earthly way to reach Ascension. Only by proving yourself worthy to the gods will they allow you access to their realm."
The main purpose of this quote is obviously that the Margonites were a sea-going culture. This is obvious from the Margonite ships deserted in the desert, but it's nice to have an in-game character clearly state it. The statement that the Crystal Desert was once basically an ocean is also quite nice, as it only supports what I'm trying to state.
Now, staying within the Crystal Desert, make your way to the Arid Sea. You may wish to travel from any outpost, but I've chosen Augury Rock. In an attached message to one of the mysterious Bleached Bones. If you've found the one I'm looking at, the one closest to the zoning area to Skyward Reach, you'll find this message:
"It came out of the dunes like a kraken out of the sea, all teeth and meaty, flapping jaw. There was no time, nowhere to go. It bit down on Menrick, and when it pulled away, all that was left of the man we had called our leader were his leather boots and the remnants of his ankles."
This obviously refers to a Wurm. Now, I think we can all agree that the Kraken and the Wurm are probably not related in any way. However, the fact that they even know about Kraken is something to consider, and something I'd link to the Luxons. Also note that the Arid Sea is one of the most likely places to be included in the once water-consumed desert, not only from the name but also from the landscape.
Finally, the final clue is hidden in something that one must pay about 20 USD to obtain, so I'm just going to share it with you outright. In the Factions Strategy Guide, it is mentioned that there is evidence that the Luxons were once in the Crystal Desert.
What we have now is...
...a bunch of facts that are easily related to one another. We know that the Margonites originated in the Crystal Desert, were seafarers, and were able to easily transverse the Crystal Desert as it was once covered in water. We also know that the Luxons, previously known to be a (former, at least) seafaring people, were once in the Crystal Desert.
Piecing it all Together
Now, I'm putting it all together. The Margonites were in the Crystal Desert far before the Exodus. This is obvious from the fact that they assisted Abaddon in his fight against the gods, which was directly before the Exodus. They probably travelled south from Elona to the Ruptured Heart, where the battle between gods occurred. They were a seafaring people before their hideous transformations, and there is probably some truth to the dialogue that the Ghostly Hero gives us about them being innocent. He probably didn't know of their treachery against the pantheon, but there was very likely a time when the Margonites worshiped all the gods as a whole. They were foreigners, likely from Elona, who migrated to the Crystal Desert by ship (presumably) seeking Ascension.
The Luxons are also seafaring people. It is proven and stated that they were in the Crystal Desert. There is also proof in the Bleached Bones of the Arid Sea I mentioned earlier. However, there is something wrong with the message of the Bleached Bones if we assume that the Luxons were in the Crystal Desert before they ever in Cantha. If the Luxons had seen Kraken before (as we can assume from the message in the Bones), then they must have been in Cantha before.
So, here's my conclusion. There are two possible conclusions. The first is that the Luxons and the Margonites were originally the same people. If this is so, then they originated in Cantha. They then migrated to the Crystal Desert, seeking Ascension. Then, they split up for whatever reason. The most likely reason is the heretic worship of Abaddon by the ancestors of the current Margonites. They then went their own separate ways, the Margonites eventually failing in their attempts to ascend, being saved by Abaddon and eventually perishing in the Ruptured Heart against the might of the 5 gods, while the Luxons migrated back to Cantha in what is now the Jade Sea.
The other conclusion is that the Luxons and Margonites were different people who met in the Crystal Desert (or in that time, the "Crystal Sea.") This is very possible, as the Margonites may have learned of Ascension in Elona. If this is correct, then the Luxons still originated in Cantha, while the Margonites presumably originated in Elona or at least some other continent. They met in the Crystal "Sea", and probably merged to some extent. I would imagined that their cultures merged a little too. Perhaps the warlike nature of the Luxons came from the Margonites? Who knows, but that is just one of the possibilities. The Luxons and Margonites would then split up in the same way as the previously mentioned theory.
Well, your thoughts? I'd like to thank you for making it all the way through this, if you actually did instead of skimming it over :grin:
-Shinigami God
First off, I'd like to apologize if this has already been stated or thought of before. If it has been, this is a pretty huge waste of time for me. :wink:
Crystal Desert Origins
For those of you who would like to follow to follow along with the investigation of these cultures, head to the Thirsty River mission within the Crystal Desert of Tyria and talk to our friend, the Ghostly Hero. He'll be giving us some interesting information about the Margonites, including some that is contradictory to the information we were given about the Margonites in the Nightfall campaign. However, a certain portion of his dialogue caught my eye. When asked, "How did they get here?" he responds:
"It might be hard to believe but many hundreds of years ago, much of the sand and sun-baked dunes were completely underwater. The Margonites, as you might have surmised by their architecture, were a sea-going culture, and they simply floated their way out here, looking for Ascension, backed when only the tops of dunes stuck out of the water.
They did not understand there is no earthly way to reach Ascension. Only by proving yourself worthy to the gods will they allow you access to their realm."
The main purpose of this quote is obviously that the Margonites were a sea-going culture. This is obvious from the Margonite ships deserted in the desert, but it's nice to have an in-game character clearly state it. The statement that the Crystal Desert was once basically an ocean is also quite nice, as it only supports what I'm trying to state.
Now, staying within the Crystal Desert, make your way to the Arid Sea. You may wish to travel from any outpost, but I've chosen Augury Rock. In an attached message to one of the mysterious Bleached Bones. If you've found the one I'm looking at, the one closest to the zoning area to Skyward Reach, you'll find this message:
"It came out of the dunes like a kraken out of the sea, all teeth and meaty, flapping jaw. There was no time, nowhere to go. It bit down on Menrick, and when it pulled away, all that was left of the man we had called our leader were his leather boots and the remnants of his ankles."
This obviously refers to a Wurm. Now, I think we can all agree that the Kraken and the Wurm are probably not related in any way. However, the fact that they even know about Kraken is something to consider, and something I'd link to the Luxons. Also note that the Arid Sea is one of the most likely places to be included in the once water-consumed desert, not only from the name but also from the landscape.
Finally, the final clue is hidden in something that one must pay about 20 USD to obtain, so I'm just going to share it with you outright. In the Factions Strategy Guide, it is mentioned that there is evidence that the Luxons were once in the Crystal Desert.
What we have now is...
...a bunch of facts that are easily related to one another. We know that the Margonites originated in the Crystal Desert, were seafarers, and were able to easily transverse the Crystal Desert as it was once covered in water. We also know that the Luxons, previously known to be a (former, at least) seafaring people, were once in the Crystal Desert.
Piecing it all Together
Now, I'm putting it all together. The Margonites were in the Crystal Desert far before the Exodus. This is obvious from the fact that they assisted Abaddon in his fight against the gods, which was directly before the Exodus. They probably travelled south from Elona to the Ruptured Heart, where the battle between gods occurred. They were a seafaring people before their hideous transformations, and there is probably some truth to the dialogue that the Ghostly Hero gives us about them being innocent. He probably didn't know of their treachery against the pantheon, but there was very likely a time when the Margonites worshiped all the gods as a whole. They were foreigners, likely from Elona, who migrated to the Crystal Desert by ship (presumably) seeking Ascension.
The Luxons are also seafaring people. It is proven and stated that they were in the Crystal Desert. There is also proof in the Bleached Bones of the Arid Sea I mentioned earlier. However, there is something wrong with the message of the Bleached Bones if we assume that the Luxons were in the Crystal Desert before they ever in Cantha. If the Luxons had seen Kraken before (as we can assume from the message in the Bones), then they must have been in Cantha before.
So, here's my conclusion. There are two possible conclusions. The first is that the Luxons and the Margonites were originally the same people. If this is so, then they originated in Cantha. They then migrated to the Crystal Desert, seeking Ascension. Then, they split up for whatever reason. The most likely reason is the heretic worship of Abaddon by the ancestors of the current Margonites. They then went their own separate ways, the Margonites eventually failing in their attempts to ascend, being saved by Abaddon and eventually perishing in the Ruptured Heart against the might of the 5 gods, while the Luxons migrated back to Cantha in what is now the Jade Sea.
The other conclusion is that the Luxons and Margonites were different people who met in the Crystal Desert (or in that time, the "Crystal Sea.") This is very possible, as the Margonites may have learned of Ascension in Elona. If this is correct, then the Luxons still originated in Cantha, while the Margonites presumably originated in Elona or at least some other continent. They met in the Crystal "Sea", and probably merged to some extent. I would imagined that their cultures merged a little too. Perhaps the warlike nature of the Luxons came from the Margonites? Who knows, but that is just one of the possibilities. The Luxons and Margonites would then split up in the same way as the previously mentioned theory.
Well, your thoughts? I'd like to thank you for making it all the way through this, if you actually did instead of skimming it over :grin:
-Shinigami God