[Dev Update] Upcoming Changes to the Hall of Monuments - 24 June 2008 [Archive]

evenfall

24-06-2008, 21:04

Some good news from anet. Looks like HoM will be altered to be account based and accomplishments by any of your characters will be available to other characters.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Developer_Updates#.5BDev_Update.5D_Upcoming_Change s_to_the_Hall_of_Monuments_-_24_June_2008

Since the release of Eye of the North there has been a lot of discussion about how the Hall of Monuments works. We intend to address a few of the larger concerns raised by players. We are not able to announce a specific date at which these changes will be released, but we're explaining them now so that players can choose their play patterns accordingly.

1. In the Hall of Monuments, you will be able to choose to view your accomplishments by character or by account. This is a setting you’ll be able to switch back and forth.

2. Hall of Monuments accomplishments will be sent to Guild Wars 2 by account. All Hall of Monuments accomplishments for any Guild Wars character on your account will be available to every Guild Wars 2 character on your account.

3. We will be adding support for Tormented weapons to the Hall of Monuments.

Account-based Accomplishments

Because the Hall of Monuments displays accomplishments on a character-by-character basis, many players have felt strongly discouraged from playing multiple characters. To allow greater freedom in play style, we are changing the design for the Hall of Monuments. Accomplishments will be transferred to Guild Wars 2 on an account-by-account basis, and players will have the option of displaying their accomplishments by account or by character in the Hall of Monuments. (Please note that the armor statues in the Monument to Resilience will reflect the appearance of the character currently in the Hall of Monuments, not the character that originally displayed that armor set.)

Tormented Weapons

Currently, the Monument to Valor only allows the display of Destroyer weapons. Adding support for Tormented weapons will allow us to give players more options for what they want to display (and unlock for Guild Wars 2) without diminishing the exclusivity currently associated with this monument.

Guild Wars 2 Unlocks

Aside from the switch to account-based accomplishments, this has not changed. You will be able to add to the Hall of Monuments in the original Guild Wars even after the release of Guild Wars 2, and any newly unlocked accomplishments will then be visible in Guild Wars 2. We will provide more information about the exact rewards for each Hall of Monuments accomplishment as we get closer to the release of Guild Wars 2.

raspberry jam

24-06-2008, 21:06

Great news

I hope they won't scale up the requirements to fit, but other than that, great news

Please note that the armor statues in the Monument to Resilience will reflect the appearance of the character currently in the Hall of Monuments, not the character that originally displayed that armor set.lol what, how would that work with different professions?

The New BP

24-06-2008, 21:07

TY Anet:sealed:

hurric

24-06-2008, 21:08

One of the best updates and it's how it should've been. playing several characters >>>>> grind grind grind on one.

rentauri

24-06-2008, 21:12

lol what, how would that work with different professions?

Figure it will skin use the same armor 'type' but show the skin of the gender/profession being displayed. So if my Paragon female has Primeval Armor and my Warrior male shows it off it will be Warrior (male) Primeval Armor.

MiatheHierophant

24-06-2008, 21:14

What they mean is that if your Ranger has Norn Armor, and your Warrior has FOW armor, but you walk into the HoM with your Ele, all the models will be Elementalist. The FOW will be ele, the Norn will be ele, etc.

I can't wait to see my dervy in something other than what I have on that character....

raspberry jam

24-06-2008, 21:15

Figure it will skin use the same armor 'type' but show the skin of the gender/profession being displayed. So if my Paragon female has Primeval Armor and my Warrior male shows it off it will be Warrior (male) Primeval Armor.I see... this will be confusing. lol

shawn

24-06-2008, 21:20

So I get 5 titles on my warrior, and 5 other titles on my monk..
Does that make my hall 'People Know Me?'

MoonUnit

24-06-2008, 21:22

Nice info.

Reality Impaired

24-06-2008, 21:23

So I get 5 titles on my warrior, and 5 other titles on my monk..
Does that make my hall 'People Know Me?'

They would need to be mutually exclusive... but it begs the question...

Wondering if :

my monk is legendary Guardian
me mesmer is legendary skill hunter
my ranger is legendary cartographer
and my necro is legendary vanquisher

do I get KoABD lvl 1 (monk with 6 titles) and a total of 18 titles maxed or
my account is Very Important and I have 18 titles maxed ?

And... if I have two account... can I transfer the achievements of both to a singel GW 2 account, if I nominate two merge (if possible both?)

How this will work with Mini pets and Hero Armour, are they account or character based ?

Rea

HollyGen

24-06-2008, 21:30

Hmm yes, I'd be curious to know if KOABD would be displayed as the highest number of titles maxed on any one character, or the total number of unique titles across your account

Guildoholic

24-06-2008, 21:30

*Starts crying manly tears of happieness*

FI-NAL-LY!!

*Runs off to stock up on armbraces*

hurric

24-06-2008, 21:34

Reality Impaired

24-06-2008, 21:43

I doubt you can add titles from different chars and get KoBD. I think they mean the benefits/whatever for GW2 will be account wide.

It just means if I completed FoW on one char and UW on another char, my descendent will have completed both FoW and UW.

title tracks of KobD will be still per char. That's my speculation.

Then should the GW2 benefits of KoaBD rank be non existant?
If I achieve 10 titles on one character, and a different 10 on two others, I have thirty maxed titles. Is that any better or worse than one character with 30 maxed titles ? Should the benefits be the same ?

Secondly, this will increase the longevity of GW1 as people will return and complete a title if it has a big benefit in GW2.

Rea

Gorani

24-06-2008, 21:43

Karuro

24-06-2008, 21:45

Account-based Accomplishments
*screams of joy*

ReZon

24-06-2008, 21:49

MoonUnit

24-06-2008, 21:53

Can I have the rearrange option for my titles now too :soapbox:

That would be a nice option. The current way of arranging the monuments.. is annoying at times, since I can't have the monuments displayed that I want to be displayed.

Heavens Angel

24-06-2008, 21:54

yeah look how long its taken ive already given up pretty much. they pretty much said this was somethign that was impossible to do.

yawgmoth

24-06-2008, 21:56

Jair of the Forest

24-06-2008, 21:59

Yay!
Yay! Yay! Yay!

Saldonus Darkholme

24-06-2008, 22:02

I'm curious: with this merger, to account-wide accomplishments, does that mean individual titles will ALSO merge? As in the Treasure-Hunter title?

No, I'm not whining, just wondering.

FinnFerral

24-06-2008, 22:06

to spoil some excitement.....

It is an improvement, but not the best solution IMO. A merger of some of the titles (the widely supported wisdom & treasure hunter e.g.) would have been the better option.

Can I have the rearrange option for my titles now too :soapbox:

Agree with this, it doesn't look like the account accomplishment update I was hoping for. I really wanted merged treasure hunter (its sucks that I feel like I shouldn't open chests with my non-primary character whenever I have the means too) and I would have loved an easier way to display the titles of my choice.

This update doesn't look like it will provide those things and therefore I'm not overly excited by it (if I am reading it right).

Celestial Kitsune

24-06-2008, 22:11

Great news! All the long hours I spent in hard work afking my Holy Lightbringer on my non-main paragon have finally paid off!

Arcane Guardian

24-06-2008, 22:13

Did the OP say good news?! /sigh

These are no good news for me, on the other hand, very bad news. HoM should have been like that from the start, and since it wasnt, they should have left HoM alone as it is now.

Basically, HoM being character- based caused some players to concentrate the achievements on one character. Me included. And these "great news" mean that all the hard work just went to hell.

All of a sudden 5 armors bought across the account accomplish the same thing than buying 5 armors for my main character? That means a big money loss. Same with destroyer weapons and minipets and hero armor upgrades.

I can only pray that ArenaNet will not degrade the title monument (at least) in such a way. If, lets say 25 titles maxed and spread over the account on different characters will have the same result as having them on one character...... ufff better not even think about such ignorance of main character development and hard work.

Ah well, I know I cant do anything about it, and it will not make me stop playing GW, but it doesnt make me a happy player either.

Zero

24-06-2008, 22:17

Glad to see its starting to head back into the original wishes of the players.

sorudo

24-06-2008, 22:32

mmm, i think i might know how this armor thing is gonna work, but not sure.
every profession has a line of armors, and every armor type has it's own line per profession.
so let's say i have the elite cultic armor in my hall, a warrior would show elite charr hide.
sorta makes it both more simple for the GW2 reward and lowers the problem of fitting a warrior in a necro armor, also less work for Anet :wink:

anyway....*chuch*....let's just say.....WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO

I can only pray that ArenaNet will not degrade the title monument (at least) in such a way. If, lets say 25 titles maxed and spread over the account on different characters will have the same result as having them on one character...... ufff better not even think about such ignorance of main character development and hard work.
and now i have to laugh, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.
told yah, i don't care about titles and play the game for fun, while you wasted your time doing titles, that's the cost of your own rushing act ^_^

Troal

24-06-2008, 22:42

Yaaaaaayyyy! I was worried that any secondary chars I had in GW2 would be rather lackluster compared to my main, but this definitely alleviates those worries.

Hopefully ANet'll update the monument rearrange mechanic sometime too.

Striken7

24-06-2008, 23:07

Basically, HoM being character- based caused some players to concentrate the achievements on one character. Me included. And these "great news" mean that all the hard work just went to hell.

All of a sudden 5 armors bought across the account accomplish the same thing than buying 5 armors for my main character? That means a big money loss. Same with destroyer weapons and minipets and hero armor upgrades.

That's so not true, it's barely funny.

You bought 5 elite armors on 1 character. I bought 5 elite armors spread across 5 different characters. We each spent the exact same amount of resources (or I even spent more, depending how you look at it), and we each get the exact same reward.

Let's see any sort of logical argument why that's a bad thing.

SibbTigre

24-06-2008, 23:08

Good, welcome, news.

Still.. one empty monument. Bet you can guess which one too!

shawn

24-06-2008, 23:09

I can only pray that ArenaNet will not degrade the title monument (at least) in such a way. If, lets say 25 titles maxed and spread over the account on different characters will have the same result as having them on one character...... ufff better not even think about such ignorance of main character development and hard work.
What the ****'s the difference if you get (for example) Elona Cartographer on one character, and Canthan Cartographer on another character? It's the same damn amount of work. And about the armors? You spend 5 armors on one char, or 1 armor on 5 chars. Guess what, that's the same amount of gold spent. Seriously.. your whole post is so illogical it blows my mind.

And if titles span across characters to culminate in your Hall having a max rank title, (which is doubtful, but would be extremely sweet), then obviously duplicate titles wouldn't count towards that.
I don't think spanned titles will work for the max title track though, I mean how would that even work? "Your hall of monuments has achieved the title I'm Very Important" ..yet your chars are only koabd?

Master Mxyzptlk

24-06-2008, 23:13

What the ****'s the difference if you get (for example) Elona Cartographer on one character, and Canthan Cartographer on another character? It's the same damn amount of work. And about the armors? You spend 5 armors on one char, or 1 armor on 5 chars. ...That's the same amount of resources. Seriously.. your whole post is so illogical it blows my mind.

The difference is if you do it all on one character you get legendary cartographer.

I think the only complaint some people have is the issue of having duplicate accomplishments, having multiple legendary cartographers or multiple vabbian armor that had the announcement come out earlier, or had they waited longer, they would not have had to spend the money on.

Mister Smartypants

24-06-2008, 23:19

Because the Hall of Monuments displays accomplishments on a character-by-character basis, many players have felt strongly discouraged from playing multiple characters. To allow greater freedom in play style, we are changing the design for the Hall of Monuments. Accomplishments will be transferred to Guild Wars 2 on an account-by-account basis, and players will have the option of displaying their accomplishments by account or by character in the Hall of Monuments.

Fantastic news. Ty ANet! :flowers:

dark3

24-06-2008, 23:21

shawn

24-06-2008, 23:24

had the announcement come out earlier, or had they waited longer, they would not have had to spend the money on.Ok, I think I kind of see where you're going with this. Like for me, I had fow armor on my monk, but when eotn came out I made my warrior my title character, because monking pve is enough to put me to sleep sometimes. So I got fow for my warrior as well, because I wanted it in my main hall, and with this update I could have saved my money, sure. But uh... yeah, who cares. 'Sup, video game? Plus I still have my armor regardless.
And you're saying people will be pissed off cause of that. (Which undoubtedly is true, people really do cry over the smallest **** in video games.) I gotchya now.

BrotherGrimm

24-06-2008, 23:25

Those of you that are thinking this changes Max Title track are way off..... Everything I saw in that related to how the rewards will be passed to GW2 and how they can be displayed in the HoM. There was no mention of merging or changing character based titles in any way.

I personally like this change as I can now attempt to pursue titles on individual characters as I see fit rather than have to bore myself to tears with a single toon. Thanks ANet!

Barinthus

24-06-2008, 23:25

*screams of joy*

That meshed very nicely with your avatar :wink:

Erasculio

24-06-2008, 23:26

I'm happy with this change. Some posters here have been suggesting things like this for some time now, and there was once a long discussion (http://guildwars.incgamers.com/showthread.php?t=470584) about it.

However...

What the ****'s the difference if you get (for example) Elona Cartographer on one character, and Canthan Cartographer on another character?
You're right. But, that's assuming the HoM will count only unique titles. That's how I think it will work (isn't exactly what I had suggested (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Erasculio/Fellowship_Title), but it's definitely good enough for me). The problem would be if it not counted unique titles, rather the absolute number of titles, so an account with 6 Protectors of Tyria would register as having six titles. Then, IMO, it would be unfair (as earning Protector of Tyria with 6 characters is easier than earning 6 different titles with the same character).

But as mentioned, if it counts unique titles, then I believe it would be fair (someone with 6 characters having Protector of Tyria and 2 characters with Protector of Cantha would have two titles for the "Honor" statue).

Erasculio

tawainai daemon

24-06-2008, 23:26

I believe that is what Arcane Guardian try to say, Master Mxyzptlk.
I am sad for those ppl with multiple characters each with a mini-set and KoaBD title. (At least i guess the armor can be wear)
I mean it sucks for me to have 2 characters with Protector,SS, LB and E-GMC maxed.

As for the KoaBD title track, it would be totally unfair for it to be account based, because maxed title varies in difficult.
A GMC or Vanquisher title is much harder then SS title etc.

Hence, it would be best and fairest to keep KoaBD and its GW2 reward character based. Thus, it would be fair for ppl with KoaBD title on multiple characters.
*cries* for more grind? well more grind more reward seems fair.

As to unique title spread across Char, it will not be bad to follow the "fellowship" title proposed by Erasculio.

Sir Jack

24-06-2008, 23:31

Account-based Accomplishments

*manly tears*

BabyJ

24-06-2008, 23:50

And... if I have two account... can I transfer the achievements of both to a singel GW 2 account, if I nominate two merge (if possible both?)

Rea

They have gave in and going to make the transfers from the HoM account wide, I think pushing for 2 accounts to be tranfered into one is asking a bit too much.

On topic, I'm liking the idea with the account wide and the weapons monument. So now i can put in weapons for characters that will actually use them instead of for ones that won't.

Dark Wolf

25-06-2008, 00:00

Too little too late for me. I quit GW and beside AB I come back to once in a while, I ain't coming back. Also, the armors we can put in the HoM is still limited to some so that still means that the dashing/superb inexpensive armors my alts wear cannot be placed in HoM. HoM and GW can go to Hell for all I care.

bellissima

25-06-2008, 00:06

I am very glad to hear the news. I still have plenty of questions about implementation but it sounds like it will address a lot of my concerns with HoM.

Jetdoc

25-06-2008, 00:19

Saldonus Darkholme

25-06-2008, 00:24

So.... I'm curious.... who's still saying "anet iz evil, hom sooks! Anet doesn't listen to players etcetc"? Once again, Anet showed to be a great company which strongly feels the needs of the community and cares about every single player! Gratz Anet and keep going like this! :grin:

They implemented the HoM as a "work in progress", not a completed product. After a year of harsh criticism from the players, and an apparent decline in interest from players, they finally decide to throw us a bone. While I applaud them for doing it, for some it's too little too late.

Ok, I think I kind of see where you're going with this. Like for me, I had fow armor on my monk, but when eotn came out I made my warrior my title character, because monking pve is enough to put me to sleep sometimes. So I got fow for my warrior as well, because I wanted it in my main hall, and with this update I could have saved my money, sure. But uh... yeah, who cares. 'Sup, video game? Plus I still have my armor regardless.
And you're saying people will be pissed off cause of that. (Which undoubtedly is true, people really do cry over the smallest **** in video games.) I gotchya now.

I think his argument was more of a, "I could have bought one elite armor for each of my characters instead of focusing entirely on one character." Would have been nice to know before, but, afterall, it IS a goldsink. Had they done this at the beginning, there would have been less gold removed from the game.

Gmr Leon

25-06-2008, 00:26

The way I'm seeing it, if you have two titles maxed, but they're the same, it will count only one. If you have several unique titles across various characters maxed, it would show those. I'm thinking if that's the case, then you'd be able to see the little statue in the Valor monument, is it? That is, when you have it displaying account-wide. Back to your character it wouldn't show it, unless you had the ranks in the KoaBD title.

...If that makes any sense.

MiatheHierophant

25-06-2008, 00:30

I agree...I have some questions about the implementation, but this for the most part is a great change.

I personally am interested in how they'll handle the minipet monument...will they display a mix of the minipets that you've already dedicated on multiple characters or will they let you choose which ones to show?

Interesting, to say the least.

I think they will be like anything else...

If you have an Aataxe dedicated on character "A" and a Gwen dedicated on Character "B", they will both show up in the HoM if character "C" walks in. I have been saving up all my minis and not dedicating them because I wasn't sure who to dedicate them to. Now I don't have to worry. I can dedicate them to the characters I think they should go with (i.e. fire imp with my ele, mandragor with my necro, etc.) and they will still be there for me to see with whichever character I walk in with.

As one who doesn't go for titles, I like the "things" you can display like minis and armor and weapons. I like the idea of my dervy (a little played alt) being able to walk in and see everything my other "alts" have accomplished as well.

BladeDVD

25-06-2008, 00:33

They implemented the HoM as a "work in progress", not a completed product. After a year of harsh criticism from the players, and an apparent decline in interest from players, they finally decide to throw us a bone. While I applaud them for doing it, for some it's too little too late. In all fairness, it was meant to be a bridge to a game they were still creating, it really couldn't be anything but a work in progress.

I think his argument was more of a, "I could have bought one elite armor for each of my characters instead of focusing entirely on one character." Would have been nice to know before, but, afterall, it IS a goldsink. Had they done this at the beginning, there would have been less gold removed from the game.
This and especially the Destroyer weapons (for the same reasons) is really going to piss off my brother in law when I tell him about this. Poor guy. At least you can use the weapons on all your heroes.

Luckily I haven't bought my elite armors or destroyer weapons for my title hunting char. yet, so procrastination wins again! :laugh:

And actually, I don't like any of the elite armors for my main (necro) so this is even better for me. Now I have a better chance of being able to use elite armors I actually like and would use. (I was thinking of getting the cheapest elite armors I could for my necro and then just trashing them...prefer the basic scar armor.)

Arcane Guardian

25-06-2008, 00:35

That's so not true, it's barely funny.

You bought 5 elite armors on 1 character. I bought 5 elite armors spread across 5 different characters. We each spent the exact same amount of resources (or I even spent more, depending how you look at it), and we each get the exact same reward.

Let's see any sort of logical argument why that's a bad thing.

Because I am a player with multiple characters. There is a main character - the mesmer, but that doesnt mean my other ones are neglected completely. Assuming that HoM is character based, their halls are filled in to some extent too.

There is my former main - the ele who has 26 titles maxed and nearly as filled HoM as my mesmer.

If that is not enough,lets just say that I have 6 other characters, and each of those has one 15k set in the hall, some hero statues and 3-5 titles. With this new state of things, that clearly was a huge waste of cash and time.

HoM should have been account based from the start, not now after the effort to make it useful per character. This is what I get for following the rules previously set for the HoM....

Oh well....

Klavius Dur

25-06-2008, 00:56

Lol ... Back when it was announced that accomplishments would be sent to GW2 on a character basis, I bought new copies of the 3 campaigns and decided to restart all new characters (all of the 10 different professions) with character-based goals in mind. All 10 chars first became Legendary Survivors and over time have worked their way up to at least KOABD Level 1. They have emassed 65 max titles, but because of these recent changes only 14 unique titles will apply and 51 titles were for naught not to mention the add'l titles being worked on. .... so much for following the rules ....

djacob

25-06-2008, 00:58

As to unique title spread across Char, it will not be bad to follow the "fellowship" title proposed by Erasculio.

Agreed heartily. I must say that this was good news, and I will probably log on some now because of it, but titles/HoM won't be made perfect with merely this one change. Fellowship Title + being able to rearrange things in a much easier manner would be some things they might want to look into sometime before GW2 comes out.

I am very glad to hear the news. I still have plenty of questions about implementation but it sounds like it will address a lot of my concerns with HoM.

Same here... what will the monument look like when I enter with my derv when one of the many armors that are from Prophecies/Factions are displayed? The numbers just don't add up.

Lol ... Back when it was announced that accomplishments would be sent to GW2 on a character basis, I bought new copies of the 3 campaigns and decided to restart all new characters (all of the 10 different professions) with character-based goals in mind. All 10 chars first became Legendary Survivors and over time have worked their way up to at least KOABD Level 1. They have emassed 65 max titles, but because of these recent changes only 14 unique titles will apply and 51 titles were for naught not to mention the add'l titles being worked on. .... so much for following the rules ....

*sigh* Through all that you didn't stop to think about how far away gw2 was? You forgot they mentioned that accomplishments would not gain any significant advantage to you in gw2? Sure you can reply that you also did it to have fun, but when you state that all that was for "naught" it leads me to believe that you did it merely to gain something in gw2, which is a logic that I truly cannot follow. If you don't enjoy something, then don't do it!!!

Skyy High

25-06-2008, 00:59

F***ing win.

You will be able to add to the Hall of Monuments in the original Guild Wars even after the release of Guild Wars 2, and any newly unlocked accomplishments will then be visible in Guild Wars 2.
<- owned. Happiest I've ever been to be wrong about something.

Akirai Annuvil

25-06-2008, 01:03

I can see why they pushed back this for the previous update. Wasn't this already known?

Nemeon Lion

25-06-2008, 01:13

Yay!!! Thanks to this I will already have 3 elite armor displayed. Now i only need 7 more weapons and 2 more elite armors to complete my HoM! :grin:

Kinlin

25-06-2008, 01:13

Nemeon Lion

25-06-2008, 01:16

In a word, disappointing.

If all they are doing is adding Tormented weapons, then they shouldn't have bothered. My favourite shield and weapon are not overpriced ugly trash, so let me add them already.

In regards to account based, I could not care less, I only use one character anyway.

Keep working at it, chances are some day you might do something right by accident.

Aren't you being a bit selfish?

Only because you have one character you don't care about improving the game for others?

Geez... Guess someone in this thread was right. You WOULD find people that wanted to whine for the wierdest reason.

shawn

25-06-2008, 01:16

Keep working at it, chances are some day you might do something right by accident.
So all those other people saying thank you in this thread are actually people just so pissed off that they're being sarcastic?
o ok, that makes perfect sense. <- sarcasm.

Klavius Dur

25-06-2008, 01:29

*sigh* Through all that you didn't stop to think about how far away gw2 was? You forgot they mentioned that accomplishments would not gain any significant advantage to you in gw2? Sure you can reply that you also did it to have fun, but when you state that all that was for "naught" it leads me to believe that you did it merely to gain something in gw2, which is a logic that I truly cannot follow. If you don't enjoy something, then don't do it!!!

*sigh* you seemed to have known this was going to happen based on the amount of time between announcing the intent of Hall of Monuments and GW2 ... logic? .. hmm? How do you project your accomplishments and set intermediate goals if you don't have an end goal. I did have fun ... the discussion refers to changing the end goal from character-based to account-based re: the comment "for naught" ... I hope this helps you understand.

raspberry jam

25-06-2008, 01:32

MoonUnit

25-06-2008, 01:33

People will complain about anything. <--- Generalization.

Garreth MacLeod

25-06-2008, 01:37

Because I am a player with multiple characters. There is a main character - the mesmer, but that doesnt mean my other ones are neglected completely. Assuming that HoM is character based, their halls are filled in to some extent too.

There is my former main - the ele who has 26 titles maxed and nearly as filled HoM as my mesmer.

If that is not enough,lets just say that I have 6 other characters, and each of those has one 15k set in the hall, some hero statues and 3-5 titles. With this new state of things, that clearly was a huge waste of cash and time.

HoM should have been account based from the start, not now after the effort to make it useful per character. This is what I get for following the rules previously set for the HoM....

Oh well....I've got 10 characters and each of them have at least two sets of elite armor (except for one and he's working on his second set). Was that a waste of cash? Personally, I don't consider it to have been so. I got armors on my characters that I wanted for that character. And they still get to wear them. And I do have some that will probably be considered "duplicated". That doesn't mean I can't enjoy the armor anymore.

As for the tormented weapons being added that some of you are just now complaining about, Anet mentioned this a few weeks ago. At least we have more diversity in what we can add to the weapons racks. Not much but twice what we had before.

- - - - -

Reading some of the posts in this thread, there are some of you who just rush through everything , trying to max as many titles as fast as possible. Jeez, slow down a little and smell the roses.

Enjoy the game for what it is....a game.

Anet, I like this update.

Kinlin

25-06-2008, 01:47

Aren't you being a bit selfish?

Only because you have one character you don't care about improving the game for others?

Geez... Guess someone in this thread was right. You WOULD find people that wanted to whine for the wierdest reason.

Many in this topic have thanked A.Net because they got what they were wanting, A.Net will get my thanks when they add what I am wanting. Personally I think it is just a very half hearted attempt to fix the woefully disappointing monument to Valor.

You think I am selfish, yet you casually disregard my concerns and you whine about people that whine, your quite the hypocrite.

People are entitled to their opinion as am I. :wink:

SibbTigre

25-06-2008, 01:52

The problem is someone is complaining that their achievements are being 'undone' or just not being affected by this change. Which is total BS. In the quote of the post you quoted, Kinlin, its actually evident that someone is disappointed because the update will make no change to their game, and I'm not sorry to say they are being selfish.

The change makes it easier for more casual players to gain the same 'advantages' as a HC player, while not making any changes to the titles or monuments involved (beyond making torment weapons usable).

MoonUnit

25-06-2008, 02:02

The change makes it easier for more casual players to gain the same 'advantages' as a HC player, while not making any changes to the titles or monuments involved (beyond making torment weapons usable).

Agreed.

It's also nice that adding stuff to the HoM in GW after GW2 is live will still affect GW2.

Of course that means I can take my sweet time going after Treasure Hunter. :tongue:

The Dark Sisterhood

25-06-2008, 02:04

When I first heard about titles and the HoM, I envisaged being able to use multiple characters to work towards the titles and so started a LDoA and Survivor, when I found out that only one characters achievements would count I abandoned working on those titles and as my Warrior was the most advanced character I had I just concentrated on her.

I can, at least, finish what I started with those two characters.

The only downside as far as I can see was getting all the Destroyer weapons for my Warrior which has now got weapons customized for her which she willl never use.

Arcane Guardian

25-06-2008, 02:08

t reply youSeeing grindmonkeys writhe in pain makes me smile

Jeez, I am a grindmonkey now, right?:rolleyes:

I accepted HoM as character based and made my ingame decisions with that in mind, only to be "rewarded" by this new dev update. Pity you couldnt do better than cynical remarks, especially since you dont know anything about me- as a person or as a player.

This is the first time I dont like ArenaNet's decision and I ve been around for 30 months.

And I simply stated my opinion. No insults or flames towards anyone. I am not going to spam the forums with it until the end of time. Constant whining caused ANet to give up and make this change, but I will not sink that low.

Life goes on, and GW too.

djacob

25-06-2008, 02:12

Geez... Guess someone in this thread was right. You WOULD find people that wanted to whine for the wierdest reason.

QFT.

*sigh* you seemed to have known this was going to happen based on the amount of time between announcing the intent of Hall of Monuments and GW2 ... logic? .. hmm? How do you project your accomplishments and set intermediate goals if you don't have an end goal. I did have fun ... the discussion refers to changing the end goal from character-based to account-based re: the comment "for naught" ... I hope this helps you understand.

No, of course I didn't know this was going to happen, but I took the information they gave out with a grain of salt, and I wasn't going to change the way I played in order to gain "benefits" from gw2 that will not provide any advantage whatsoever. Now, that's not saying I didn't work on titles, expensive armor, weapons, etc... just that I did it in order to do it, and there is no way I'm going to complain about all those extra sets of armor I bought for HoM because now it turns out that "I don't need them".

As for you saying you had fun... then why did you complain? This is a game, if a goal causes you to have fun, why get angry that someone else didn't have to work as hard as you to gain the same benefit... that provides no advantage whatsoever?

Indigo Montari

25-06-2008, 02:16

The changes to the HoM are most welcome, I am a player that has many playable characters and have focused on spreading my time with all of them. Having the HoM more account based is a big improvement over the original design thus it allows me to show off more of my in game achievements.

raspberry jam

25-06-2008, 02:21

Jeez, I am a grindmonkey now, right?:rolleyes:hard workYes .

Klavius Dur

25-06-2008, 02:29

QFT.

No, of course I didn't know this was going to happen, but I took the information they gave out with a grain of salt, and I wasn't going to change the way I played in order to gain "benefits" from gw2 that will not provide any advantage whatsoever. Now, that's not saying I didn't work on titles, expensive armor, weapons, etc... just that I did it in order to do it, and there is no way I'm going to complain about all those extra sets of armor I bought for HoM because now it turns out that "I don't need them".

As for you saying you had fun... then why did you complain? This is a game, if a goal causes you to have fun, why get angry that someone else didn't have to work as hard as you to gain the same benefit... that provides no advantage whatsoever?

Lol ... you obviously feel I don't have a right to voice an opinion regarding the subject topic ... calling it whining, complaining ... how sad .. obviously you can't stand those that have a different point of view.

Not KANE from Guru

25-06-2008, 02:40

I accepted HoM as character based and made my ingame decisions with that in mind, only to be "rewarded" by this new dev update.

There's my beef right there, going back on their original policy.... again.

Kahlan

25-06-2008, 02:40

I, for one, am absolutely THRILLED they are doing this. Now I can definitely work on just my Ele, instead of thinking "I want to do this on my other chars too." Now I don't have to grind on all my other chars! I don't have to make 11x10 Destroyer Weapons!

And the armors...I could care less if I already have duplicates of some on different chars. I buy armors because I like them, not to just put 'em in the HoM.

Oliver

25-06-2008, 02:44

Even though I am not really into titles, I am glad that ANET decides to make the changes in HoM; my main complain against HoM has always been it encourages single-character-play.

intent

25-06-2008, 02:51

Great update!!!!

I was kinda sad that my first Ele and second Ele's armor wasn't in my HoM for my Necro. They used to be my favorite characters and a big part of my GW life but, just because I don't play them any longer doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy the time I spent on them. Every time I walked into my HoM I always thought it should be account based.

I bet the tapestries for HoM are going to skyrocket in price for a while just so people can place their other characters accomplishments into their HoM for that character without having to do all the quests to get the tapestries.

Thanks Anet...I know you can't please everyone all the time but, you did please a lot of people with this update!

Injector

25-06-2008, 03:23

interesting way to cut down on the grind, so they don't have to keep the servers up longer for those die hards that refuse to give up on maxing all there titles.

Scott the Green

25-06-2008, 05:49

I'm happy. I filled three monuments and got 10 titles with my mesmer, while neglecting my other characters for the most part. I have a few armour sets in other characters' halls, but nothing else. Even so, I like this update because it's offering a choice. I always say that more choice is better.

Besides, those peoeple complaining about havng focused on one character, did you notice the part of the update that said you could choose to display it as character-based OR account-based?

You've lost nothing if you choose to display it per character, but a lot of people have gained a lot by being able to display it per account.

Skyy High

25-06-2008, 06:37

CarbonBasedLifeform

25-06-2008, 07:10

So it looks like the logical devs finally came out of the shadows.

my reaction to this is: ".... and why wasn't this the case from the very, ****ing beginning of the whole thing and save them the trouble of the cluster**** dissatisfied atmosphere they created for themselves?"

seriously. seriously people. seriously.

*one comically huge palm on a comically huge face* /FACE-****ING-PALM

CarbonBasedLifeform

25-06-2008, 07:16

tawainai daemon

25-06-2008, 07:18

Plus, now all my non-main characters' HoMs don't look so shabby.

Just a note, since I see a lot of people misunderstanding this point: they said the Hall, and the Hall alone, was going to get the account-based treatment. They've said nothing at all about titles being shared amongst your accounts. There's a difference between having a title, and being able to display the monument in your HoM. I wouldn't be surprised at all if your KoaBD rank still required you to complete titles on the individual characters, and that the individual character's rank is what affects the appearance of the central statue in the Hall.

And hopefully the reward for KoaBD will stay char-based as well, because titles have diff. difficulties. And at least i will make "the poor guy with 10 KoaBD Chars" feel a little better and not all effort go to waste.
To ppl who will voice their option (or that someone insist "complain") about this, I think the "Fellowship" title is a better solution for it then to degrade KoaBD.

Viti Ligo

25-06-2008, 07:32

I AM HAPPY ! I am so happy about the changes to HoM!

I can't understand people whinning about this change.

For example, I do have duplicate elite armors, 3 out of my 5 chars have ancient armors, but who cares ? I never have bought an armor just to be shown in HoM. My characters wear them ! (Though, my rit have to wear "basic" armor while farming as there are no low AL elite armors :(...)

Also, I have worked on same titles on all my chars - but as I still do have much to do, this means all my chars will benefit on title I got to any of them, which do motivate me to get more titles.

This change has, literally, saved the life of my ranger...

Kalidri

25-06-2008, 08:08

It's good news. I do have a main titler, but I really enjoy playing that character and I've always been a "one character at a time" player. So feelings are not hurt and I don't feel led on. As for armor, I never buy armor to put in the HoM, I simply enjoy raising the money and getting armor...part of the game, Guild Wars Dress Up Dolls.

Injector

25-06-2008, 08:26

I can't understand people whinning about this change.

I can understand it, the less time it takes to get to goals for people the quicker they'll stop playing, the quicker they stop playing the more resources ArenaNet have, additionally once your done in GW and the quicker it takes you to get done the more likely you are to buy GW2, the end product of course the sooner they can get everyone out of GW the sooner they can shut down the server.

FinnFerral

25-06-2008, 08:44

Talafey

25-06-2008, 08:51

Yay Yay Yay! At last I will get to see my LDoA Monument :D

Thank you Anet

Lytha

25-06-2008, 08:53

Nice first step.

Now make Treasure Hunter and Wisdom titles account wide (while keeping the title track as tiresomely slow as it is.)

And add a beneficial multiplication for reputation faction for the worst of the grind titles (Lightbringer, Asuran, Vanguard, Deldrimor, Norn). As in the "double EotN points" weekend.

Then I'll be happy. :P

Brodly

25-06-2008, 09:01

So how are we going to see Elite Sunspear armor on our Assassins, or Granite Citadel armor on our Paragons?

And I really hope this comes with a proper rearrange function

Buffy Bj Summers

25-06-2008, 09:31

Great news for a lot of people. Doesn't mean jack for me. I don't plan to get GW2 nor do I care about HoM.

The only things I care about that may be related to this change:

1) Only my W can get a Rainbow Phoenix since she has 10 titles maxed. With this update, would it mean that my R (who actually uses pets on a regular basis but doesn't have any maxed titles) can cap the RP, too?

2) Will this by any chance change rep titles to become global? Without increasing the points required?

If not (and it doesn't sound like either will be the case)... yawn for me. :unimpressed:

Viti Ligo

25-06-2008, 09:41

I can understand it, the less time it takes to get to goals for people the quicker they'll stop playing, the quicker they stop playing the more resources ArenaNet have, additionally once your done in GW and the quicker it takes you to get done the more likely you are to buy GW2, the end product of course the sooner they can get everyone out of GW the sooner they can shut down the server.

The change is HoM only: yes, you can fill it up faster after change but it doesn't change the fact that you can play all the content with all your characters and benefit doing so - character based titles are still character based titles in game, you have your armors on your characters as well as weapons... This change doesn't take any of those away of you. Instead it shares your achievements across your account - in Hall of monuments.

IMO, it's not just titles, armors, wepaons, heroes and minipets in your HoM that you get.... I like that my characters can get to any outpost at any campagn, have all heroes etc...

keroshinigami

25-06-2008, 09:59

this is a nice update. im a bit curious as to the KoaBD title track like many. i dont think this will make much of a difference in terms of grind which seems fair. funny that gw2 players can now be legendary survivors and legendary defenders of ascalon eh? somehow the descendent's have found a way!

sorudo

25-06-2008, 10:04

I can understand it, the less time it takes to get to goals for people the quicker they'll stop playing, the quicker they stop playing the more resources ArenaNet have, additionally once your done in GW and the quicker it takes you to get done the more likely you are to buy GW2, the end product of course the sooner they can get everyone out of GW the sooner they can shut down the server.
that's a bit closed minded, there are way more things to do then just grind for HOM stuff...like....help ppl for a change.

i'm a small bit disappointed about the weapons, tormentor are just the same in effect as destroyer weapons.
hard to get, and ugly as hell.
if only they allowed greens to be shown, then it's a good improvement.:azn:

Walks With Angels

25-06-2008, 10:31

Great news. :sunny:

Time to find which of my alts have A Show Of Force - never had the patience to PuG my way to Holy Lightbringer with my main. Now I never have to ! :grin:

Lensor

25-06-2008, 10:34

Personally I like it, even though I have been working on filling one main monument. This way I can get the FoW for my less-played Rit (what can I say, I love the teapot helm :heart:) without feeling bad for not putting it in my main's hall. And I can get all kinds of pets in the Hall even though I refuse to trade my main's beloved Melandru's Stalker.

It does suck for players who has already filled multiple halls with duplicate accomplishemts though, as now they will only get the reward for one.

I wonder how the "being able to go back to fill stuff in GW1 after GW2 is out" is going to work. As they previously stated in no uncertain terms that there is no way that anyone new to GW would be able to buy GW2 and then go buy GW1 and fill the monument just to get GW2 perks. The HoM was supposed to be kept exclusive to reward the old players. Ah well, no biggie I suppose.

I also agree that the KoaBD appearance of the hall (and the appearance of the Phoenix) should be kept tied to the status of the entering Character.

Traveller

25-06-2008, 11:13

This is a great update. I'm still hoping they would add more possible weapon sets to Valor (Deldrimor? Droknar? Factions/NF end-game?) but still, a good move to the direction many players have wanted.

Kashrlyyk

25-06-2008, 11:58

It sounds great and I can´t wait to see my account achievements.

SibbTigre

25-06-2008, 12:12

I accepted HoM as character based and made my ingame decisions with that in mind, only to be "rewarded" by this new dev update.

A lot of people, before EotN came out, believed it would be account based. A lot more hoped it would be. With the release of EotN, a lot of casual players kept asking for the change to be made - afterall, ANet did design the later chapters and the expansion with the casual players in mind. It was only fair to make the HoM reflect that.

This is the first time I dont like ArenaNet's decision and I ve been around for 30 months.

Apart from wasted grind, what's the problem?

And I simply stated my opinion.

We love opinions.

No insults or flames towards anyone. I am not going to spam the forums with it until the end of time. Constant whining caused ANet to give up and make this change, but I will not sink that low.

A self-contradictory paragraph. First you say you're not insulting anyone, but then you say that ANet gave in to whiners. Make up your mind, please!

Personally, I believe this change was made not only because ANet had left behind a lot of the playerbase (as in, casual players), but because especially when it came to torment weapons or people with multiple characters (so include HC players), ANet knew a lot of people had 'given up' on the HoM or found that they were being encouraged to play only one character - a change was needed.

Life goes on, and GW too.

You can accept this change, and move on I take it?

Gmr Leon

25-06-2008, 12:36

I wonder how the "being able to go back to fill stuff in GW1 after GW2 is out" is going to work. As they previously stated in no uncertain terms that there is no way that anyone new to GW would be able to buy GW2 and then go buy GW1 and fill the monument just to get GW2 perks. The HoM was supposed to be kept exclusive to reward the old players. Ah well, no biggie I suppose.

..:huh: I should probably go reread the bit on the Hall of Monuments in that PC Gamer article, but I recall it always saying you would be able to do what they announced in this update. It just seems to me that they mentioned this in the Dev Update to clarify because of the confusion running about.

Lensor

25-06-2008, 13:03

..:huh: I should probably go reread the bit on the Hall of Monuments in that PC Gamer article, but I recall it always saying you would be able to do what they announced in this update. It just seems to me that they mentioned this in the Dev Update to clarify because of the confusion running about.

Well, this is what was said:

Jeff Strain: I don't know exactly what the timing will be, but I will tell you that we aren't going to allow new players to Guild Wars 2 to go back and get those items in the Hall of Monuments. Our intent is to reward players who are playing Guild Wars right now.

This means either a cut-off date for any new additions to HoM, or a cut-off date for linking new GW1 accounts to GW2. As we now know it is not the former, only the latter alternative remains. Or they have changed their minds completely. Of course, if that is the case, I am now looking forward to a re-release of all collector editions, as well as hats from holidays past. :fortuneteller:

It is from an interview with Jeff Strain: clicky to forum post (http://guildwars.incgamers.com/showpost.php?p=5263154&postcount=117)

Arcane Guardian

25-06-2008, 13:51

A lot of people, before EotN came out, believed it would be account based. A lot more hoped it would be. With the release of EotN, a lot of casual players kept asking for the change to be made - afterall, ANet did design the later chapters and the expansion with the casual players in mind. It was only fair to make the HoM reflect that.

Yeah. I dont mind if casual players can now get the benefits easier. That wasnt my point at all.

Apart from wasted grind, what's the problem?

Apart from that, I have no problems with the change. Maybe they can do something so that all the time investment and cash investment isnt a waste after the change. The time and resources spent on multiple halls could have been used to.... buy lockpicks and do a truckload of chest runs to progress a title for example. And in the end my account would be better off.

Grind, I hate that word. Having a long term goal or goals in mind and going after them is definitely not a bad thing, even in RL people have their dreams and aims. The way you use the word, suggest that its not fun to go after a goal. And it sure was fun.
In my previous posts I said: work, and got immediately insulted and tagged as "grindmonkey". Anyone with half a brain knows that I meant it in the broadest sense of the word.

A self-contradictory paragraph. First you say you're not insulting anyone, but then you say that ANet gave in to whiners. Make up your mind, please!

Ok you have a point there, some people may consider my statement as an insult.:rolleyes: In that case, sorry about that. I consider that statement a sad fact. Go on, burn me at a stake now.

You can accept this change, and move on I take it?

Yes of course I can. There is nothing else I can do except accepting the inevitable, is there? Unless you think I will quit playing, which I will not.

Kinlin

25-06-2008, 14:26

Well, this is what was said:

This means either a cut-off date for any new additions to HoM, or a cut-off date for linking new GW1 accounts to GW2. As we now know it is not the former, only the latter alternative remains. Or they have changed their minds completely. Of course, if that is the case, I am now looking forward to a re-release of all collector editions, as well as hats from holidays past. :fortuneteller:

It is from an interview with Jeff Strain: clicky to forum post (http://guildwars.incgamers.com/showpost.php?p=5263154&postcount=117)

I guess that those players which make GW 1 accounts after their GW 2 accounts would not be allowed to combine them, only those that make their GW1 accounts before their GW2.

That would make the most sense, but honestly, who cares if someone goes and buys GW1 to get the bonus stuff for their GW 2 game, lets face it, they will have to work just as hard as us to get it all anyway.

Injector

25-06-2008, 15:04

I guess that those players which make GW 1 accounts after their GW 2 accounts would not be allowed to combine them, only those that make their GW1 accounts before their GW2.

That would make the most sense, but honestly, who cares if someone goes and buys GW1 to get the bonus stuff for their GW 2 game, lets face it, they will have to work just as hard as us to get it all anyway.

Because that detracts from the exclusivity to have GW2 players go back to play GW1 and get all the stuff we now have, a side from the fact that they would rather people didn't play GW1, it's _all_ about GW2 and for a reason.

mocax

25-06-2008, 15:14

Lots of ego at stake here.

Injector

25-06-2008, 15:30

Lots of ego at stake here.

Not mine, I couldn't careless what they do with the game to be honest, lived though all there in my opinion idiotic choices with there game enough to be not bothered with what happens, I'm just saying there is more to there choices than meets the eye right now I personally can't trust anything they do isn't going to be self serving to promote GW2 for them and so they should.

But that doesn't mean I'm that complacent that I will put up with it, I can't take back the 3 chapters I brought or the expansion either, what I can do is not buy into more of there software in the future if it isn't related to GW1.

Lady Rhonwyn

25-06-2008, 16:04

Because that detracts from the exclusivity to have GW2 players go back to play GW1 and get all the stuff we now have, a side from the fact that they would rather people didn't play GW1, it's _all_ about GW2 and for a reason.

I must agree with this.

I applaud the fact that you can finish your HoM even after GW2, but it should only count if you've started your HoM before GW2.

And I love the fact that they will make it account based. That way my newest characters, that have only be created a few months ago, can reap the rewards their eldest sisters have worked for.

BrotherGrimm

25-06-2008, 16:39

I have to admit, that while I certainly feel how disappointed some of the mutli-character grinders will be with this (same title, different toon = waste) AND how the single character title mongers will feel cheated (others will get similar rewards without being limited to playing one toon) ....I find myself smirking and chuckling in a most unkind manner.

It IS entirely possible that ANet will provide some sort of GW2 compensation for multiples of the same title, and the single title mongers will have there Max Title track over the mutlti-character players, so it all could end up ok.

Ken Nightwind

25-06-2008, 16:45

Now if they would just add zodiac weapons. Tormented bows look as bad Destroyer bows... Oh well, at least they are making progress.

Noname Otakugami

25-06-2008, 16:55

Now if they would just add zodiac weapons. Tormented bows look as bad Destroyer bows... Oh well, at least they are making progress.

Only if they were craftable and expensive. But they drop. They are discarded. They are like nightmare o shadown weapons.

sorudo

25-06-2008, 17:31

This means either a cut-off date for any new additions to HoM, or a cut-off date for linking new GW1 accounts to GW2. As we now know it is not the former, only the latter alternative remains. Or they have changed their minds completely. Of course, if that is the case, I am now looking forward to a re-release of all collector editions, as well as hats from holidays past. :fortuneteller:
they just allow the player from a certain account age, if your account is yonger then it's a no go.

SibbTigre

25-06-2008, 17:43

Because that detracts from the exclusivity to have GW2 players go back to play GW1 and get all the stuff we now have, a side from the fact that they would rather people didn't play GW1, it's _all_ about GW2 and for a reason.

Stop spewing out BS.

Where have they stated they want people to stop playing GW1? Where have they implied it?
Why are they changing GW1 to cater for casual players better if they want people to stop?
<Edit> Why did they ask for 2 members of the team for stay on GW1 even after GW2 has come out if they want GW1 to die? </edit>

While it loses the 'exclusivity' if a new GW1 gains the same item as you in GW2, it'll take them a while longer after GW2's release for them to get it. Until then you can lord it over them.

IMO, the link between GW1 and GW2 should be open for all players, not just those that joined within the first X months after GW1 came out.

Lensor

25-06-2008, 18:14

IMO, the link between GW1 and GW2 should be open for all players, not just those that joined within the first X months after GW1 came out.

But that is not what was promised. The HoM was specifically designed and marketed as a means for GW1 veteran players to transfer their accomplishment to GW2, as compensation for having to start over when shifting games. And as a "thanks" to loyal fans.

If (and that is a big if, pure speculation really) they decide to do a 180 and anyway allow new players to get the "GW1 veteran perks", fine. But then they should also release the collector editions for all. And give everyone access to old holiday hats. Why stick to one promise of "exclusive perk for loyal fans who believed in us" if you don't stick to another? Either all goes, or all stays, IMO.

Jono Mozza

25-06-2008, 18:19

All Hall of Monuments accomplishments for any Guild Wars character on your account will be available to every Guild Wars 2 character on your account.

Best bit IMO. Account based is cool too xD

raspberry jam

25-06-2008, 18:22

Arkhan The Black

25-06-2008, 18:25

Oh this looks pretty sweet.

Tyra Top Model

25-06-2008, 18:28

For me, the biggest disappointment in this update is that it is only now being made public. This type of information for a game really should have come out when the expansion was released. It looks like poor planning and poor implementation.

I can only think that the game creators were overzealous with the release of EoTN and had hoped (expected?) players would fill the game with high long-lasting interest to get multiple characters to grind to fill the Monument (and game areas). BACKFIRE!

The number of people filling areas looking for groups has severely declined just from March of this year alone. It feels like GW shot its load too soon with EoTN and no other planned add-ons until GW2….another year away?!

On a positive note, the game creators realized the same and at least are helping out the casual player now with the monument being account based.

Massacre

25-06-2008, 18:30

Okay, so the HoM is going to be a different flavor of pointless now. Meh. I was kinda hoping anet would JadeQuarry it and work on something else.

SibbTigre

25-06-2008, 19:11

But that is not what was promised. The HoM was specifically designed and marketed as a means for GW1 veteran players to transfer their accomplishment to GW2, as compensation for having to start over when shifting games. And as a "thanks" to loyal fans.

I think that was the original idea for it, as seen in that interview, but I don't remember the marketing putting it (or implying it) that way.

If (and that is a big if, pure speculation really) they decide to do a 180 and anyway allow new players to get the "GW1 veteran perks", fine.

A "War Veteran" is still a war veteran, whether he fought in WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Gulf War 1 or Gulf War 2. A GW 1 veteran will be a GW1 veteran whether they played since release, for 12 months prior to GW2's release or even if they started playing after GW2's release.

But then they should also release the collector editions for all.

Prophecies one, perhaps. The others? Nah... they weren't worth it.

And give everyone access to old holiday hats. Why stick to one promise of "exclusive perk for loyal fans who believed in us" if you don't stick to another? Either all goes, or all stays, IMO.

Because at least the HoM's affect on GW2 hasn't been finalised?

The New BP

25-06-2008, 19:17

I'd Like to see what Regina has to say about this :grin:

Lensor

25-06-2008, 19:34

I think that was the original idea for it, as seen in that interview, but I don't remember the marketing putting it (or implying it) that way.
I remember it being a common theme "allowing our existing players to transfer accomplisments".

Because at least the HoM's affect on GW2 hasn't been finalised?
I missed the part where the identity of holiday items were disclosed before the actual holiday. :wink:

SibbTigre

25-06-2008, 20:23

I remember it being a common theme "allowing our existing players to transfer accomplisments".

Not in the reviews etc. But hey, I'm not here to say "this is what ANet wanted published".

I missed the part where the identity of holiday items were disclosed before the actual holiday. :wink:

I must have missed the part where GW2 has been released? The holidays are been and gone. GW2 hasn't been released and as yet, we have no info on what the HoM means for GW2, save for character names.

Even before the Holidays we had the same thing - we believed we'd be getting something, we just didn't know what. And the next time the same holiday came around, people knew what to expect.

tommynj

25-06-2008, 20:40

Better late than never is what I say. Now it is actually worth putting another character through EOTN. Great job guys!

No Burdens

25-06-2008, 20:51

WHAMAZING!

Single best GW announcement of 2008 wipes out the biggest disappointment of 2007!

Tons of lenghty posts and explanations why account-based is the only good way to go paid off!

Excellent decision Anet!
/bow /cheer /dance /yeeeeehaw!

Putting it in halfassed was a fail, wasting time to fix the failure is an EPIC Fail...

Yes I would rather have another free area expansion like Sorrows Furnace :rant:

Baze

25-06-2008, 20:54

Putting it in halfassed was a fail, wasting time to fix the failure is an EPIC Fail...

Yes I would rather have another free area expansion like Sorrows Furnace :rant:

Proving you can't satisfy everyone...

Did I say that?

I like the update. It's at least a start to fixing the HoM.

Mister Smartypants

25-06-2008, 21:20

But that is not what was promised. The HoM was specifically designed and marketed as a means for GW1 veteran players to transfer their accomplishment to GW2, as compensation for having to start over when shifting games. And as a "thanks" to loyal fans.

If (and that is a big if, pure speculation really) they decide to do a 180 and anyway allow new players to get the "GW1 veteran perks", fine. But then they should also release the collector editions for all. And give everyone access to old holiday hats. Why stick to one promise of "exclusive perk for loyal fans who believed in us" if you don't stick to another? Either all goes, or all stays, IMO.

Yes, much like they should have done with the "loyalty to people who buy our product online before X date" BMP turnaround. I'm still waiting from then for the chance at a collector's edition and past hats. Hasn't happened then, isn't likely to happen now. ANet can't be trusted.

Lensor

25-06-2008, 21:36

Not in the reviews etc. But hey, I'm not here to say "this is what ANet wanted published".
Lets see, apart from the interview quoted above that leave no room for interpretation at all we have:

While character transfers are not in the offing, there is great benefit for veterans of Guild Wars as they move into Guild Wars 2. These benefits are available through Guild Wars: Eye of the North, and they will play a very meaningful role in your continuation of the Guild Wars experience.

Strain said the team decided to include this form of inter-character inheritance to make sure that all of the time players spent playing Guild Wars wouldn't be wasted.
One of the things we look at is what keeps people glued where they are. Part of it is, I've invested all this money and time into my characters and I can walk around town with this bad-*** swagger, why would I want to leave? We don't want to take that away from people.The Hall of Monuments is kind of like taking a snap-shot of your bad-assness, and then will let you take that bad-assness forward into Guild Wars 2.

Guild Wars players won't be able to transfer characters over to Guild Wars 2, but ArenaNet is letting adventurers "carry achievements forward" via a Hall of Monuments
None of the unlockable content will give you a huge edge over other players, but it will provide you with a nice badge of honor that brands you as an Old School Guild Wars pro and personalizes the gameplay for you just that little bit more. Personally, I think something that nods to the old fans without screwing the new ones is a great idea.

See a pattern? Every mention about of the HoM has implied it being for existing players, as a way for them to not lose their "bad-assness" as it were. The only time they mentioned specifics it has been to in very strong wording confirm that impression. Not once have they even alluded to allowing "latecomers" to go back and buy GW1 for the perks. So yes, if they suddenly would allow GW newcomers to after the release of GW2 go back and get GW1 HoM just to get the perks, they would go back on their word. They are of course free to do so, but then they should be consistent.

I must have missed the part where GW2 has been released? The holidays are been and gone. GW2 hasn't been released and as yet, we have no info on what the HoM means for GW2, save for character names.

We don't know what it will be, but we do know that it will give something (preferably something cosmetic only) to the GW1 veterans. Just as we have known prior to each Holiday that there be something to reward the ones who show up, but didn't know what. And just as everyone who pre-ordered the CE knew there would be something special (a unique dance or something), but they didn't know what. I really fail to see how the HoM is any different here.

GrimShade

25-06-2008, 22:30

I find it odd that this is implimented to help me play any charicter I want. When HoM started I cut back to 3 charicters, this is making me cut back to 1.

Not that this is bad, this is probably the best option I can see as now I can have LS and LDoA in my HoM. But all lockpicks, and plat for skill aquisition is going to my main. Any gold drops are identified by my main now. In fact as he is the charicter that is the closest to most titles, there is no reason to play the others until he reaches god status. After that, I have all the PvE titles and will probably get board and just to PvP or wonder off till GW2.

Injector

25-06-2008, 23:12

Stop spewing out BS.

Where have they stated they want people to stop playing GW1? Where have they implied it?
Why are they changing GW1 to cater for casual players better if they want people to stop?
<Edit> Why did they ask for 2 members of the team for stay on GW1 even after GW2 has come out if they want GW1 to die? </edit>

And I suppose next you'll tell me, that companies don't lie and don't bend the details to suit there own ends?

Jetdoc

25-06-2008, 23:24

I think they will be like anything else...

If you have an Aataxe dedicated on character "A" and a Gwen dedicated on Character "B", they will both show up in the HoM if character "C" walks in. I have been saving up all my minis and not dedicating them because I wasn't sure who to dedicate them to. Now I don't have to worry. I can dedicate them to the characters I think they should go with (i.e. fire imp with my ele, mandragor with my necro, etc.) and they will still be there for me to see with whichever character I walk in with.

The question is how they will deal with conflicts. Let's say I have 20 minis dedicated on character "A" and 20 minis dedicated on character "B". There are no duplicates between the two. I wonder how the "joint" HoM will choose which 20 you will be able to display? Some random mix or a choice?

Aiiane

26-06-2008, 00:08

And I suppose next you'll tell me, that companies don't lie and don't bend the details to suit there own ends?

That doesn't mean everything a company says is a lie. So far, you've offered nothing solid to back up any of your accusations, and quite honestly it's getting tiring. Please stop; the quality of your recent posts has been little above that of a tabloid.

Dareth

26-06-2008, 00:48

So, HoM is going to be account wide? That's cool.

Now all they have to do is make all the rep titles account based instead of character based (without increasing the points required) and I'll actually be tempted to buy EoTN!

MiatheHierophant

26-06-2008, 00:51

The question is how they will deal with conflicts. Let's say I have 20 minis dedicated on character "A" and 20 minis dedicated on character "B". There are no duplicates between the two. I wonder how the "joint" HoM will choose which 20 you will be able to display? Some random mix or a choice?

I see your point...

Personally, I would hope that they would increase the number you could show so that if you collect one of everything (like I am sure someone has done) you can show them all....as long as the sheer number of minis wouldn't be detrimental to the performance of one's computer. But, then again, a pick-list where you could toggle the ones you want to see woudn't be a bad idea either. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I will be one of the first to go look, as I have more than 20 dedicated minis...:blush:

Injector

26-06-2008, 00:57

That doesn't mean everything a company says is a lie. So far, you've offered nothing solid to back up any of your accusations, and quite honestly it's getting tiring. Please stop; the quality of your recent posts has been little above that of a tabloid.

I should not need to teach the brain washed masses, they should have the mind to search for things by the own motivation to search for truth, it appears that some people here would rather suck on the teet of cooperate propaganda than notice the discomfort from below, so I'll just avoid topics like this and when all is said and done, I'll be able to come back and tell you "I told you so".

At the end of the day, when it's time to turn the computer off, what does it matter what they do too Guild Wars? ultimately ArenaNet are masters of the own destiny, nothing we do or say is going to count for anything when the choices ArenaNet made are tallied.

BrotherGrimm

26-06-2008, 01:36

This thread has some of the most cynical and selfish posts on record. I can see some not being happy and even a bit angry at this change, but to imply it's a "180" and makes ANet a "liar" is beyond logic. I see 3 major reasons for it:

1) It was asked for by LOTS of multi-character players.
2) It will increase their revenue on a 3 year old game that's been continually supported WITHOUT monthly fees even after GW2 is released.
3) Title activity has been decreasing and this will assist in keeping access to FoW and UW going.

I can only say that a lot of assumptions were made by lots of title grinding players as to how the HoM would be used for GW2. I never recall ANYONE at ANet stating the HoM would never be changed as GW2 development progressed (in fact, I seem to recall the exact opposite).

kyln

26-06-2008, 02:18

I should not need to teach the brain washed masses, they should have the mind to search for things by the own motivation to search for truth

And if the "truth" we discover is different than the one you discover.............what then?

Several of the posts on this thread are perfect examples of why Anet can be so stingy with information. Things change in development -that should not come as a surprise. I fail to see why I should don a tin hat over this.

HoM by design does not necessarily reward a player who has been playing a long time. It is conducive to rewarding such players, but a fairly new player could grind quit a bit of it anyway.

I see no reason why Anet shouldn't welcome people buying GW1 to benefit their GW2 characters if they are that desperate.

I welcome the shift towards account wide. Thank you Anet!

SibbTigre

26-06-2008, 02:39

Lets see, apart from the interview quoted above that leave no room for interpretation at all we have:...

An idiocy of someone NOT reading.

Notice I said the interviews suggest a cut off, where-as the reviews and other media did not. Which you confirmed (well, almost. Not one of your quotes even contains anything about a cut-off).

Also, no, I didn't (or rather couldn't find an..) interpret the original interview that way.

We don't know what it will be, but we do know that it will give something (preferably something cosmetic only) to the GW1 veterans.

Define Veteran, and then tell us why a newer player cannot be one?

Just as we have known prior to each Holiday that there be [U]something[/U...

So the situation is identical. We don't know what we will get. However, each festival was repeated and people did have some idea of what to expect.

Also, festivals are NOT the game itself. They are a part of the game.

On top of that, stop arguing that new players cannot become 'veterans'. Seriously. It's not funny.

And I suppose next you'll tell me, that companies don't lie and don't bend the details to suit there own ends?

Those that lie and cheat can actually be prosecuted. See USA vs Bill Gates, 1998.

As for 'bend the details' - telling us that 2 members if the team will be dedicated to GW1, and the rest will effectively work on both is 'black and white'. That detail cannot be 'bent'.

I should not need to teach the brain washed masses, they should have the mind to search for things by the own motivation to search for truth, it appears that some people here would rather suck on the teet of cooperate propaganda than notice the discomfort from below, so I'll just avoid topics like this and when all is said and done, I'll be able to come back and tell you "I told you so".

I'm laughing at you. Evidently, you're the one brainwashed so as to not trust companies at all. As we've said, you've provided no back up, or proof, for your argument.

So, lets look at a couple of examples where people have claimed ANet lied:

Mini-pet Polar bear - Miscommunication. This was down to staff simply forgetting to inform the player base (via the CR) the mini-polar-bear was now in the game.

BMP - Despite popular belief, ANet never actually said the "promotion" would be the only way to ever gain access to this content.

At the end of the day, when it's time to turn the computer off, what does it matter what they do too Guild Wars?

They can only produce games as long as people buy them. Read on for more.

ultimately ArenaNet are masters of the own destiny, nothing we do or say is going to count for anything when the choices ArenaNet made are tallied.

That's BS. This change alone proves they listen to the playerbase. On top of that, you have the major balance updates over the past three years, addition of such content as the BMP, and Sorrow's Furnace, the introduction of Heroes as an alternative to Henchmen and Players.

If you are naive enough to believe that ANet does not listen to the player-base, naive enough to believe that ANet will lie to us, why do you bother posting? Seriously?

Take your head out of the sand, and stop spewing BS.

Akirai Annuvil

26-06-2008, 03:12

I'll be able to come back
Goodbye miniature terminator, I hope you'll save our world someday!

KyppDuron

26-06-2008, 03:47

I should not need to teach the brain washed masses, they should have the mind to search for things by the own motivation to search for truth, it appears that some people here would rather suck on the teet of cooperate propaganda than notice the discomfort from below, so I'll just avoid topics like this and when all is said and done, I'll be able to come back and tell you "I told you so".

At the end of the day, when it's time to turn the computer off, what does it matter what they do too Guild Wars? ultimately ArenaNet are masters of the own destiny, nothing we do or say is going to count for anything when the choices ArenaNet made are tallied.

lol, you should make people pay 15k a post for this stuff, it's simply genius. :laugh:

Anyway, all i can say about the update is:

THANK YOU ANET, LET ME HAVE YOUR BABIES!

Corwin Andros

26-06-2008, 04:16

Reading through this thread, I have come across some rather interesting comments to say the least. Basically what I got out of the dev update is that they are definitely making some changes so that some things that are eligible for the Hom will be changed to account wide. What those are besides things like armor, weapons, heroes, minis, and titles that are already account based, are still up in the air.

It would be nice to have some of the current per character titles change to account wide titles.. like wisdom and treasure hunter, etc..

Regardless of how some might feel regarding the HoM theoretically being there for "veteran" players only, I can almost with 100% certainty say it will be for anyone with EotN and at least one chapter of GW. Anet would be shooting themselves in the financial foot otherwise. As a company aimed at selling games, they'd have to be retarded to restrict whatever goodies they give out for HoM acheivements to only those of us who have been playing pror to the release of GW2.

Ideally for them, whatever they give us, will be attractive enough and covetted enough that the truly new GW players will rush out to get some of the older games so that they too can acquire said goodies. That's simply smart business on their part. I know I personally planned all along to see what was available in GW2 and come back to GW1 with specific goals in mind, rather than mindlessly grinding away as many titles as I could before the new game is released.

I truly do they see their way to making some of those truly annoying titles account wide though. One of the reasons I never have bothered to worry about the wisdom title or treasure hunter title is due to the fact that it would force me to restrict what I did in relation to those titles to basically a single character, rather that playing each and every one of my characters as whole individual. Hence the reason I don't even a level 1 title in either catagory on any character as, far as I know. If they combine even just those 2 things into an account based title, I would be more inclined to persue them piecemeal using whatever character I happened to be playing at a given moment.

In any event, we still don't know when this will be implimented or to what degree. All the same, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the result.

Trinity Fire Angel

26-06-2008, 04:38

Interesting - for some reason I expected there to be a cut-off date for when accomplishments wouldn't be able to be carried over to GW2. It appears now though that if a year after GW2 has come out (for example), someone decides they want to go back and get something from GW1 to have in GW2, they could.

So no one will necessarily have something that someone else can't have.

i always expected to be able to go back to GW1 and complete stuff for GW2. you know... i am taking a break from GW2 to go so some sweet tooth or ecto farming to get more elite armour... etc etc. maybe some of the pvp titles will be easier to get once the main population shifts across

Viti Ligo

26-06-2008, 08:03

Oh boy... does it really matter WHEN you play GW1? Before or after GW2 is released ? If you play it, let's say, 4000 hours before Gw2 is released or after ? What's the difference ? Anyway catching up those thousands of hours of game play old GW'ers have is quite a job for any "new comer". I know most HoM items can be achieved much faster but still...

And are all those titles, mini's, heroes, armors and weapons really wasted after the change ? I know I will still got mine... some are duplicate, but still I got them.

I might be a lucky one, but in my case every single character of mine will benefit of something that some other char has and that other does not. Every single one.

I would like to know if there are somebody that has all titles, all heroes, all minis, all weapons and all armors on ALL characters ? I mean, not just full monument but all possible items on every stand?

There might be people who have exactly same items on all characters, but I think that even them have something left to put in, and they can now do it with one char and have all the other toons benefit of that.

My concerns are different:

Are those rewards from HoM fancy enough ? I really do hope there's something really amazing awaiting in GW2.

And what they are going to do with different armor sets. My warrior have silvereagle on his HoM.... no other profession has Silvereagle armors. And what assassin armor will be displayed as Elite Templar or Elite platemail or Elite sunspear... As armors are displayed in HoM as "Granite citadel, Marthan's Grotto" etc armors, will assassin/rit/dervish/paragon armors come available at all ( prophecies/nf/factions ) elite armorcrafters or what?

satenia

26-06-2008, 08:26

Personally I was under the impression that GW is exactly the kind of game that doesn't reward grinding on your toon in order to reap major benefits that make your char superior in terms of stats over a newcomer. Based on this concept, I think some people largely overestimate the benefits you'll get in GW2 based on your GW1 accomplishments.

With that said, I'm loving these changes as I can never stick to a single character anyways.

Mraezk

26-06-2008, 08:59

Soon as our group saw the Monument was character based, it was shrugged off as a time sink. Now that its going to be account based, there some actual interest in working on 'em - I'd say that is a good thing all around.

Seems like the same old mmorpg issue though - people desperate for something to set them apart (i.e. above) the masses, and then annoyed when the masses suddenly find a way in. Cheap FoW armor, rare skinned greens, IWAY-fame, its all basically the GW equivalent of Caddyshack II imo.

Karn the Betrayer

26-06-2008, 09:29

Tormented Weapons

Currently, the Monument to Valor only allows the display of Destroyer weapons. Adding support for Tormented weapons will allow us to give players more options for what they want to display (and unlock for Guild Wars 2) without diminishing the exclusivity currently associated with this monument.
^from the wiki

seriously i wanted gold, greens and upwards being put there and now its just friggin tormented weapons and destroyer weapons

comeon anet don't be so stubborn some of do not like tomented weapons either (I'm half liking them, but still)

Lensor

26-06-2008, 10:03

This thread has some of the most cynical and selfish posts on record. I can see some not being happy and even a bit angry at this change, but to imply it's a "180" and makes ANet a "liar" is beyond logic.
Eh? I already said that I am happy about the change. I also said that it is only speculation, but if they would decide to allow someone to go back and buy GW1 after GW2 was released and still get the perks, then it would be a 180 compared to what was promised. I cannot see how it could not be. I also said several times that if that is what Anet wants to do, then they are free to do so, but in that case they should also re-release the old CE's and holiday hats. So I thank you for not jumping to conclusions and calling me selfish and cynical.

Notice I said the interviews suggest a cut off, where-as the reviews and other media did not. Which you confirmed (well, almost. Not one of your quotes even contains anything about a cut-off).

Personally I trust that which comes directly out of the developers' mouths over that which is printed by reviewers based on second-hand information, but maybe that is just me. Besides, all the reviews I have read use wordings such as "hook Guild Wars players into Guild Wars 2 through the Hall of Monuments", but maybe you have other sources? Also note that I never claimed the cutoff was mentioned specifically any other place than that interview. All other places it has just been heavily implied, by solid talk about how HoM is a way for existing players to transfer accomplishment. What matters is that they did clarify that there would be a cut-off, and as long as they haven't retracted that statement I choose to believe it.

Also, no, I didn't (or rather couldn't find an..) interpret the original interview that way.
You cant be serious!? :huh:

Here, let me bold the relevant bits for you:

Ten Ton Hammer: Will new players be able to go back and play through the original Guild Wars after the release of Guild Wars 2 in order to get those special items in the Hall of Monuments? Or will there be a cut-off point to that sort of content?

Jeff Strain: I don't know exactly what the timing will be, but I will tell you that we aren't going to allow new players to Guild Wars 2 to go back and get those items in the Hall of Monuments. Our intent is to reward players who are playing Guild Wars right now. We have so many people who have stepped up to make Guild Wars successful and have invested so much time into their characters. The whole point of this [the Hall of Monuments] is to reward those gamers. We want to say, "Thanks for playing those one, two, or three years in our original game. We appreciate you guys getting into the game early, and we want to reward you for that."

So I can't imagine that we'll let somebody coming into Guild Wars six months after Guild Wars 2 ships and letting them have rights to all of the same opportunities our original players had. Our expectation is that a lot of people are going to be getting a lot of stuff in the original Guild Wars in the several months leading up to Guild Wars 2.oops, looks like I had to bold almost the whole thing...:rolleyes:

An idiocy of someone NOT reading.
You were saying? :grin:

Define Veteran, and then tell us why a newer player cannot be one?

vet·er·an

A person who is long experienced or practiced in an activity or capacity
A person who has served in the armed forces
An old soldier who has seen long service.

Since GW can hardly be said to be "the armed forces", the first and to some extent the third definition are the ones used. And both talk about "long experienced" and "long service". Someone new by definition dont have these things. Even if someone new could go back to fill a HoM in a brand new GW1 account it is not the same as playing the game for years, learning as you go along. This since they would know exactly what to do to get the specific GW2 reward they crave for as little effort as possible. Such players would not be GW1 "veterans", they would be GW1 "bounty hunters".

Of, course, "Veteran" is but one of many wordings used to describe the ones that will be eligible for the GW2 HoM perks. "Old timers", "players who play Guild Wars right now", "guys getting into the game early", "original players" are others. But maybe you think also those terms can be applied to new players?

So the situation is identical. We don't know what we will get. However, each festival was repeated and people did have some idea of what to expect.
Thank you for agreeing with me.

Also, festivals are NOT the game itself. They are a part of the game.
Just as HoM is part of the game. Again, I fail to see the distinction.

kyln

26-06-2008, 10:12

Snip

As I mentioned in my earlier post, doggedly returning to one interview as the end all be all of how something was promised to be is probably why Anet is so sparse on info about upcoming releases.

Allowing players efforts from GW1 to be transferred to GW2 despite the time line is the best option anyway imo. Reward existing players with content now, not pie in the sky promises.

Sjeng

26-06-2008, 13:09

I will tell you that we aren't going to allow new players to Guild Wars 2 to go back and get those items in the Hall of Monuments.

That's all fine, but I sure hope that my 3 year old account can still work on the HoM after GW2 is released, cuz I don't think I can achieve all the titles I'd like to achieve for the HoM before GW2 comes out... I hope they'll give us plenty of time to check out the rewards in GW2, and then decide which ones we'd still like to get by acquiring certain titles/items in our GW1 HoM. That might take some time, and I'd hate a cut-off before I'd had the chance to achieve what I want for my HoM...

So perhaps they should NEVER cut off players who've been playing GW1 before GW2 comes out, and linked their accounts together, but only cut off people who buy GW2, start playing, and then decide to buy GW1 after the release of GW2. I mean, they can't link GW1 to GW2 anymore anyway, because they already started a GW2 account before they bought GW1. That would be better then completely cutting people off imho...

SibbTigre

26-06-2008, 13:18

Personally I trust that which comes directly out of the developers' mouths...

Developers aren't always right on the first hit. Plans change. However, I find that press releases in particular are more precise on these matters. Since no press release has said that there will be such a cut off, I will not take it as definite.

BTW, another interview called Guild Wars a "Competitive Online Game", how wrong that interview was.

You cant be serious!? :huh:

Now that you HAVE provided the quote, I'm fine with it. However, read above.

You were saying? :grin:

I'm saying that the first time around, you failed to pick up on the other media part.

vet·er·an

A person who is long experienced or practiced in an activity or capacity
A person who has served in the armed forces
An old soldier who has seen long service.

Since GW can hardly be said to be "the armed forces", the first and to some extent the third definition are the ones used. And both talk about "long experienced" and "long service". Someone new by definition dont have these things. Even if someone new could go back to fill a HoM in a brand new GW1 account it is not the same as playing the game for years, learning as you go along. This since they would know exactly what to do to get the specific GW2 reward they crave for as little effort as possible. Such players would not be GW1 "veterans", they would be GW1 "bounty hunters".

Of, course, "Veteran" is but one of many wordings used to describe the ones that will be eligible for the GW2 HoM perks. "Old timers", "players who play Guild Wars right now", "guys getting into the game early", "original players" are others. But maybe you think also those terms can be applied to new players?

Since no definite time frame is given for becoming one, and the fact nothing stops a new player playing for a year or more, I'd quite like to point something out to you:

New players can become Veterans too.

Just as HoM is part of the game. Again, I fail to see the distinction.

Just like we didn't know what we're actually getting until the festival, and anyone who turned up to the festival(s) got the item(s), GW2 hasn't come yet, so no-ones got items yet, so there's no problem.

The big difference with the festivals of course, is that GW2 will be up 24/7/365, while most 'festivals' are what, a week with a finale?

Mister Smartypants

26-06-2008, 13:23

That's all fine, but I sure hope that my 3 year old account can still work on the HoM after GW2 is released, cuz I don't think I can achieve all the titles I'd like to achieve for the HoM before GW2 comes out... I hope they'll give us plenty of time to check out the rewards in GW2, and then decide which ones we'd still like to get by acquiring certain titles/items in our GW1 HoM. That might take some time, and I'd hate a cut-off before I'd had the chance to achieve what I want for my HoM...

So perhaps they should NEVER cut off players who've been playing GW1 before GW2 comes out, and linked their accounts together, but only cut off people who buy GW2, start playing, and then decide to buy GW1 after the release of GW2. I mean, they can't link GW1 to GW2 anymore anyway, because they already started a GW2 account before they bought GW1. That would be better then completely cutting people off imho...

That's how I feel too. Don't give existing GW players a deadline to get everything done by in order to get their veteran benefit in GW2 (whatever it may be), but do make it so that GW2-only players can't go back and get the veteran rewards by purchasing and linking GW1 after GW2 has been released.

BrotherGrimm

26-06-2008, 14:05

Eh? I already said that I am happy about the change. I also said that it is only speculation, but if they would decide to allow someone to go back and buy GW1 after GW2 was released and still get the perks, then it would be a 180 compared to what was promised. I cannot see how it could not be. I also said several times that if that is what Anet wants to do, then they are free to do so, but in that case they should also re-release the old CE's and holiday hats. So I thank you for not jumping to conclusions and calling me selfish and cynical.
I don't recall ANY indication that the HoM was ONLY for current GW1 players. They never indicated there would be a "cutoff" date for HoM entries, so that's an assumption lots of players made. In your MIND it's a 180, but that does not make it so for others. I always thought it would ONLY make good business sense for them to allow it to run indefinitely...that would make the older game a valid revenue product long after GW2 is released.

BTW, I wasn't directly talking about anyone with my cynical comment. If you feel it was, *shrug*...that wasn't my intention.