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macofmoo
25-02-2005, 12:59
hi guys
i am going to update my system and cannot decide... umm AMD or Pentium
whats the best ? :confused:
be cool
Steve
mac of moo (moo)
Go for AMD when you want most performance/$ but it also depends if you want to mainly play games or edit video? AMD is superior when you want game performance
Check out this (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041019/index.html) link for benchmarks
lostchyld
25-02-2005, 17:14
I'm a pentium person. That's all I've ever run. My main experience with AMD has been bad. On the other hand, marketing claims and most of my friends say that AMD is better for gaming. I can't verify that because I don't have two comparible systems to check it out on. I'd get a Pentium. But that's just me.
macofmoo
26-02-2005, 12:58
[QUOTE=Excel]Go for AMD when you want most performance/$ but it also depends if you want to mainly play games or edit video? AMD is superior when you want game performance
thanks for the info Excel
i use mine for gaming so it looks like i will go for the AMD hope to have it sorted b4 the next beta to see the diff
be cool
Steve
mac of moo (moo) (http://www.macofmoo.co.uk)
AMD, cost wise is the better deal in my books.
Also they already have their 64 bit chips out which seems to be teh way of teh future.
Mr.Bamboo
27-02-2005, 01:47
i'd say AMD
wuts ur budget?
amd owns!!! i got the new amd 64 bit 3200 and it runs like a dream :thumbsup:
macofmoo
27-02-2005, 10:13
i'd say AMD
wuts ur budget?
budget wise i think i can scrape about £500 been looking at some barebone bundles (here) (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/Barebones.html)
i already have a good graphics card but thinking of getting a bigger hard drive
and maybe a gig of ram
be cool
Steve ( moo (http://www.macofmoo.co.uk/) )
I just wanted to add that AMD is the way to go. Intel has (only for a short time!) the market almost cornered on the portable laptops with the P-M chip, and the Centrino marketing (dont ever let anyone tell you Centrino is a chip or a CPU)...
The P4 is a terrible processor imo. Its hotter than the AMD's, it takes more power, and for all its hyperthreading and 2mb l2 cache, its still slower than the AMD Athlon (64)
The thing that makes the Athlon such a good platform is the On die memory controller. It greatly reduces the memory latency, which is a performance bottleneck in most computers.
The Athlon 64 has better support for 32 and 64 bit software (in the future) simultaneously too.
Anyhow, for laptops the P-M is a good processor, but in the desktop domain the AMD wins out for price and performance. Interestingly enough, the P-M is based off of the P3. Just goes to show how good of a platform that really was.
yeah 5zigen pretty much covered it.
a. athlon 64 promises to be even more useful as more software is ported to it.
b. p4 is hotter and more expensive.
c. athlons (even 64bit) are still cheaper overall, and the compatible motherboards are better.
I would recommened 2 things though first of if you can hold of a little more with buying the Athlon 64 bit (if thats what you choose, which you should), since its price will drop quite a bit within the next couple months and thats especially important if ur looking to buy one of the really high mghz ones (4000+ or fx-53/55). Another thing i would advise is that you buy an SLI based motherboard, since they are only slightly more expensive, and even if you dont buy 2 video cards, it is worth it just to have the option, since you pay only what? 20 extra dollars?
Oh BTW be aware that although most Athlon 64 bit CPU's are for socket 754, some especially the fx-53/55 only work for socket 939, so know what you are buying.
Also id suggest considering what you are gonna do for RAM, Dimm memory is the market main staple but people really over look RIMM's which are deffinetly worth it if u can find a good MB and plan on putting large amounts of ram into ur system.
well at anyrate if you have any questions feel free to ask and ill try and help.
btw if ur on a budget id suggest the AMD 3700+ (if u can afford it) on socket 754, (the MB's are cheaper for 754), and dont bother with a bare bones kind of MB, all you really need to buy seperatly is the video card (which u already have), everything else you need you should be able to get with the MB,.
btw if ur on a budget id suggest the AMD 3700+ (if u can afford it) on socket 754, (the MB's are cheaper for 754), and dont bother with a bare bones kind of MB, all you really need to buy seperatly is the video card (which u already have), everything else you need you should be able to get with the MB,.
Why the heck buy a motherboard that is doomed, socket 939 is the only way to go IMO, they are quite cheap as well and Asus A8N-SLI is very good for instance
If you are fairly comfortable, you could also get one of the Mobile Athlon 64 3400+'s and then overclock it to ungodly high speeds in a Socket 754, as they have much better head dispersion than the average processor.
well at the moment socket 754 is still fine, and will be considering you are buying a new cpu, if you go the 939 route you are paying more for the MB and are forced to buy a really high end athlon cpu (3800,4000,fx-53,fx-55 are the only ones i believe).
I wouldnt advise an ASUS so much i mean their ok, but the fact that they became so popular leads them to be over priced and highly over rated, and their
quility has been declining from a few years back, the biggest problem is that your not going to find a "deal" on an ASUS, vs a less popular MB manufaturares board.
AS for over cloacking, i would severely recommened against it, its a minimal performance boost, and is not worth the risk.
well at the moment socket 754 is still fine, and will be considering you are buying a new cpu, if you go the 939 route you are paying more for the MB and are forced to buy a really high end athlon cpu (3800,4000,fx-53,fx-55 are the only ones i believe).
I wouldnt advise an ASUS so much i mean their ok, but the fact that they became so popular leads them to be over priced and highly over rated, and their
quility has been declining from a few years back, the biggest problem is that your not going to find a "deal" on an ASUS, vs a less popular MB manufaturares board.
AS for over cloacking, i would severely recommened against it, its a minimal performance boost, and is not worth the risk.
hmm the socket 939 3500+ is very cheap best performance/$ you can get (talking about the winchester model). The A8NSLI is also cheap considering 2x pci express option and other bundle. I don't see cheaper and better with that kind of options on the market
Overclock minimal performance boost? Lemme tell you this for instance in benchmark programs I get 15000 at stock speed in 3dmark01 with my barton 3000+, 166FSB, 2,16GHz and overclocked at 2,65GHz I get over 20000score... It is always now running at 2,4GHz minimum, very good with encoding video and rendering movies in vegas5 noticable performance boost indeed!
hmm the socket 939 3500+ is very cheap best performance/$ you can get (talking about the winchester model).
This is what I've been running for the past 10 months. In no way do I see it being outdated in he next year yet. Yes, better is out there, but for the value none can compare.
you go and overcloack your machine sure, and then 3 months later ur $300 cpu is broke, go ahead.
I gave my proffesional advise what you do with it is up to you.
Perfidia
05-03-2005, 19:59
For all of your computing needs, defiantly go with www.newegg.com...
ASUS might be mainstream, but they have quality boards for decent prices. I bought my P4P800 on new egg for a little over $100, and that included the WI-Fi socket I wanted.
As for motherboards, I would advise you to get one with A PCI express Video card socket... You might dish out a bit more than you would want, but if you can get high-end video cards for around $100, I would look into getting it. Too bad I built my new system right before PCI-express came out. Paying $400 for my new Nvidea wasn't exactly a pleasant experience. :(
Asus boards also make over clocking simple, and safe. If you don’t know what you are doing, don't over clock... I have had my P4 2.6 over clocked to 3.2 for nearly a year without any problems... It's really a matter of opinion.
you go and overcloack your machine sure, and then 3 months later ur $300 cpu is broke, go ahead.
I gave my proffesional advise what you do with it is up to you.
Hmm? my CPU is almost a year old...(costed 120€) have you ever overclocked, and have experience of it? I can say I do have some, I tried to hard mod my cpu to mobile, only got it halfway though :( it shows up as mobile but the multiplier is still locked... and my motherboard is voltmodded the cpu is running at 1,95vcore
For all of your computing needs, defiantly go with www.newegg.com...
ASUS might be mainstream, but they have quality boards for decent prices
I agree, and as a good + my ASUS is very good at overclocking...
wat do you mean by over cloack experiance?
i mean my opinion is against over cloacking because even with good cooling you are still running the risk of damaging you cpe, and are reducing its life span.
Not to mention making errors much more likely, to me the performance boost of some 300 or so mgz is not worth it, i would rather pay 50 extra for a 300 mghz faster proccesor without the risks that are inherent with over cloacking.,
Newegg is a great place to go but dont expect any crazy deals or rebates there, so if you are looking to buy things worth alot i would advise that you check other sites and do some searching.
And how exactly is a MB good at over cloacking? do you mean it has a user-friendly bios?
Perfidia
05-03-2005, 21:00
Yes, most Asus motherboards come with a very nice BIOS, especially for overclocking.
i mean my opinion is against over cloacking because even with good cooling you are still running the risk of damaging you cpe, and are reducing its life span.
Yeah, I can understand that, but when I bought it, I didn't have the $200 extra dollars for a 3.2 GHZ chip.
wat do you mean by over cloack experiance?
i mean my opinion is against over cloacking because even with good cooling you are still running the risk of damaging you cpe, and are reducing its life span.
Not to mention making errors much more likely, to me the performance boost of some 300 or so mgz is not worth it, i would rather pay 50 extra for a 300 mghz faster proccesor without the risks that are inherent with over cloacking.,
And how exactly is a MB good at over cloacking? do you mean it has a user-friendly bios?
It is pretty tough to actually cause significiant harm to your CPU by overclocking it. I mean, without setting the core shutdown temperature to high values, or doing something equally dumb.
Overclocking is very safe, if you know what you are doing and your chipset is cooperative. And that is how a MB is good for overclocking, some do not support different FSB's and different multipliers and other frequencies.
macofmoo
23-03-2005, 18:40
thanks for all your help :thumbsup:
all my bits are on order and i went for......
AMD Athlon 64 3000 Winchester Core, Heatsink and Fan, 1024MB 400DDR RAM, Socket 939 Motherboard
the fun part will be building it .. umm anyone fancy popping round lol
be coool
steve (moo (http://www.macofmoo.co.uk))
CorporateEliance
24-03-2005, 07:10
No Experience with AMD. I have only used Pentinum. I hear that AMD is really good with gaming. My friend has an AMD and has no problems. How ever I have always had a Pentinum, and had never had any problems, so I guess what i am saying is that they are both very good, haven't heard/ or had any complaints abouy them.
Lerxst_of_Syrinx
24-03-2005, 09:33
thanks for all your help :thumbsup:
all my bits are on order and i went for......
AMD Athlon 64 3000 Winchester Core, Heatsink and Fan, 1024MB 400DDR RAM, Socket 939 Motherboard
the fun part will be building it .. umm anyone fancy popping round lol
be coool
steve (moo (http://www.macofmoo.co.uk))
You don't mention whether you are getting a new video card or not. If you are going to get a new video card, be sure that you go with a PCI-Express motherboard and get a PCI-Express video card. This way you will have an upgrade path in the future. AGP video will be around for a little while longer, but it's on its way out.
Just make sure you get a 90nm A64 cpu, and you can't go wrong. There isn't a bad one in the line up.
macofmoo
24-03-2005, 13:53
You don't mention whether you are getting a new video card or not. If you are going to get a new video card, be sure that you go with a PCI-Express motherboard and get a PCI-Express video card. This way you will have an upgrade path in the future. AGP video will be around for a little while longer, but it's on its way out.
yep got a PCI _Express board and graphics card
my case arrived today .. lol looks cool pic ere (http://www.planetmicro.co.uk/product_info.asp?stockcode=M003047)
be cool
Steve ( moo (http://www.macofmoo.co.uk) )
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