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StillEllyEvenSuspended
23-03-2005, 04:25
Please read:
http://bbs.conqueronline.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68448

I could just wait for a response to my private message, but I was counting on posting here to while away some time. However, I can't do that anymore, now can I?

I expect you to grant me my privelages as a poster and apologize on my account, Lady Elly.
Because I have rights to post here?
No.

I know that my rights on this forum amount to diddly squat.

I'm appealing to you as a person who is in the wrong.

If it were something temporary, and you had sent me a message about it, I'd humour it and have explained. I'm Elly, and I've been Elly for as long as I can remember.
Why would you be so arrogant as to presume that someone who shares the same name as you is trying to impersonate you?
I knew there was an Elly when I made my account. However, that was because it said the name was taken.
Only when I did you a FAVOR, and took your survey, did I realize what mischief I might have brought upon myself.

But despite knowing that, I also know that I am not in the wrong for being myself.
It's not an offensive name, I've never claimed to be the adminstrator Elly, and my posts were tame and informative. Yes, they were most likely subjective, but that's generally the case with opinions.

I will NOT register to your forums under any name other than Elly or an Elly derivative, and if you refuse to allow someone to use such a name simply under the grounds that the admin uses it, then very well.
Your loss.
There're other forums.

BUT, I hope you are riddled with guilt over it.
To know that you punished a person for simply having a harmless name because of your arrogance and selfishness.

IF this was not the reason I was suspended, then what, may I ask, was?
If it's something silly that was my fault, then you couldn't possibly know how sorry I am.
However, all signs point to my assumption, and while I'll acknowledge the possibility I'm incorrect, and apologize for it if I am indeed wrong, I must go with the most likely option.

So there you have it.
And this is the kind of well thought out posting you're going to be missing out on if you refuse to mend your ways.

Hurin66
23-03-2005, 04:40
So what do you expect us to do?
Spam this other elly person's email for being unfair?

We as a collective do not know of what has happend and although if you have been wrongly accused of impersonation that is certainly not a nice thing, i do not understand the purpose of your post.

StillEllyEvenSuspended
23-03-2005, 04:47
So what do you expect us to do?
Spam this other elly person's email for being unfair?

We as a collective do not know of what has happend and although if you have been wrongly accused of impersonation that is certainly not a nice thing, i do not understand the purpose of your post.

So I'm not the only person that didn't realize that the forum administrator is named Elly?
:rolleyes:

Reason I posted here;
This is the off-topic forum (edit: as in, it won't disrupt the normal forum posting)
It'll most likely be seen by a moderator and forwarded to the appropriate person/people
People have a tendency to ignore statements in private, and brush them off. Being challenged in public forces them to act, or look the fool with their story untold.

Being a moderator of another forum myself, while I know the posters have no rights, I still respect them as people, and expect myself to be respected as a person no matter where I go, or you can be sure I'll make my opinion known in one form or another.

And unlike some people, I don't resort to baseless flames. I choose actual events to use as my weaponry, and it's generally pretty effective.
Although, I must admit, I've been labeled as a female dog by a number of people. However, in general, I must say, I could care less with it coming from people who warranted the attack in the first place.

Edit Edit:
Just remembered an incident I had previously.
Playing Conquer Online, same game for the forum I moderate, I'm Elly in-game, after over 8 months of play.
While playing, I saw a message pop up saying, "Congratulations! <name> and -Elly- got married", and the person in the <name> spot was one of my friends.
At first, I thought he was mocking me, but after talking, I found out she was a friend of his from another server, and I got over it.
And yes, I'll admit, I was a little uncomfortable no longer being the only Elly on the server, BUT, I didn't take it out on her for having the name. I didn't KoS her (free PK game with few penalties for killing people, which you can do in all but 2 maps, the market and training ground),

Edit Edit Edit:
And thank you for giving me something to occupy my time with I would have aimed at constructively contributing to your forums.

Yes, you're most likely not that bad of people, and over-reacted to something harmless. An apology and attempts to not act so rashly would be sufficient to redeem you in my eyes.

What value does my opinion have to you?
Look past whatever annoyances or anger you might have at these posts, and think about it...
Am I not a reasonable, intelligent, well-spoken young lady who, in other circumstance, you might find pleasant to converse with?

But when it comes to people not respecting other people, I am no longer quite so nice.

I'm not just some spoiled child posting on the forums because my parents won't take me to the mall, or some such thing, I enjoy being an active contributor to places.
And if you can discount someone like that simply because they find fault in your actions, then very well, I need not associate with you any longer. This is my last post or edit here until I receive a reasonable PM from you, or reply to this post.

As I've stated and restated, I'm a moderator, I know how it is to draw flames from editing people. But simply because you have the power to do as you please, doesn't mean you're always right. You can have the final word, you can change the way things appear, but no matter what the case may be, you can not change what the truth is.

And before people attempt to discredit my arguments my devaluing what this is all over, saying it's just a name...
It's not just a name.
It's MY name.
And it's how my name was suspended with neither warning (which the ToS says they often don't give), or even an explanation afterwords.
It was just done, like I'm some fly on the wall to swat.

I have my pride and respect as a person and I won't yield down to such actions. I'll leave, but when I do, I'll make sure that they know my stance on the matter.

Most similar thing I've done compared to this, is in the game of conquer, I waged a war against a player named NIGGE in game, who's original name had been ******, but was edited at the request of a player for being offensive, to get him banned by the administrators for flagrantly racist comments about asians, including verbal threats.

People discredited me, and played down his actions, but I refused to give in.
He made excuses, when numerous people started to show support, but even then, I refused to give in, until finally, he apologized and said he'd take steps to ensure such things never happen again.

And that's it.

I might sound pretentious, obnoxious, and overly demanding, but if you look objectively, I'm a reasonable person, I think.

And that's it.

Farewell indefinitely,
-Elly

black_death6
23-03-2005, 05:06
im just wondering, are you sure you didn't break any rules?, or are you positive because it was your name. i doesn't seem like something they'd do here. and making another account after been banned is not a good thing either.

StillEllyEvenSuspended
23-03-2005, 05:19
im just wondering, are you sure you didn't break any rules?, or are you positive because it was your name. i doesn't seem like something they'd do here. and making another account after been banned is not a good thing either.

Ok, this reply was made before my statement of not posting again was made, so I'll bend it to respond.

I had 6 posts, all of which were informational in nature, except the one in the Gwen BWE ending related topic, where, just like anyone else, I laughed about it.

Look for Lady Elly and find the posts.

The account wasn't banned, but it's uses were severely crippled. I couldn't post, edit, or anything more than read. Which anyone can do anyway. It might as well have been a ban.

But, what's the point in worrying about it?
I could be permanently IP Banned from their website and forums, which couldn't even stop me if I had the intent to continue to come back and harass them, as I've got a router and can change my IP at will (although, technically, I don't know how. I'm just saying I COULD, were I determined.) I posted to make my point, and in such a way that they'd be confronted with it.

Anything further would be pointless.

And NOW I take my leave.

black_death6
23-03-2005, 05:52
well if you ever come back, could you explain exactly what happens? can you log in? or when your about to post it says your not logged in? because if im not mistaken there is a bug around thats been doing this.

Kirellii
23-03-2005, 06:23
Bugs do happen and I have had some strange occurances.

Life is very interesting in the journey and a smooth journey would very likely be boring.

Name confusion is a problem and I suffer from that too! However, we all just have to Get Along. (I happen to have picked an ingame name that someone perhaps has used elsewhere in another game as well as it being the name of a naughty shop. In addition, Kirellii itself is an avatar name that could just as easily belong to someone else though I have used it. Being like the Dread Pirate Robert is very confusing.)

I am sure that the Elly(s) can figure this out to a satisfactory end.

If not... well then - I suppose that this is just an example of *conflict* and I know Elly will win.

StillEllyEvenSuspended
23-03-2005, 06:59
Mozilla FireFox or Internet Explorer, tried both, tried logging out and back in, I'm disabled from posting using the other account.
I acknowleged it could be my error, and perhaps got a little carried away on an assumption, but the assumption seems all too likely.

And, I'd like to apologize for the error I surely DID make, which makes me a hypocrite.
I assumed it couldn't/wouldn't be settled in private, because, let's face it most people just brush you off. Choosing a public venue forces a reaction, or public ridicule, and most people choose reaction.

So, if you want to delete this, I totally don't mind.
However, I advise that, unless it's a serious breach of ToS, that you revise your policy and warn people, in the name of fairness and respect.

Because while I chose to be aggressive and assume things about you, your actions led me to believe negatively of you.

So again, I apologize in part, because I wasn't totally in the right, but neither do I believe you should brush off all that was said.

Logged in under Lady Elly:
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And no matter where I try to post, when I try to post, I can not.

Edit:
And if you're wondering how I can take forums so seriously, it's how I was brought up.

My father's mennonite, and was brought up to believe that words have weight.
Spoken words, but most of all, written words.

To put something in writing gives the greatest meaning to it.
Shape, form, and permanence that isn't usually achieved with spoken word.

So yes, everything I write, I take seriously, unless it's an obvious joke >.>
I'm not actually mennonite, but my thoughts and beliefs were of course shaped by those of my parents.

Edit Edit:
No smart remarks about how I came back despite myself finalizing my not coming back!
Myself apologizing was enough of a reason for me to do so.

Edit Edit Edit:
Funny thing is, I doubt they've even read this yet.

But whatever the case, respect is respect, and while they aren't obligated to give it, being in control of the forums, they should feel an obligation as people, ethically.

Lady_Alenuska
23-03-2005, 12:42
Why not just create another user name like you already have? The problem would be solved wouldnt it?

Fallen_62
23-03-2005, 17:52
I just looked at your settings, and it says you are not registered under Lady Elly, but it has your email and posts. I dont know, maybe you typed the password wrong? I am on vacation, but I just hopped on to check the forums quick. It might be that the mod(s) were affraid of you immatating Elly (the admin) becase we have had things like that happen.

I would say that you email Elly and see if she has a reason why that the account was suspended/bannd, but my guess is the fear of impersonation. And yes, it has happened before, so we try to prevent it from happening again.

StillEllyEvenSuspended
23-03-2005, 21:49
Why not just create another user name like you already have? The problem would be solved wouldnt it?

Because that wasn't the entirety of the problem.
I know that there're cases where you ban people instantly without warning because they did something to deserve it.

I got it for an inoffensive name.

I never attempted to impersonate her in any of my 6 posts, and as you can see, my established identity online dates back many months ago.

I got blocked from posting without any warning, or any explanation afterwards.
Either one would have made me not react quite so over-zealously.

But no, nobody bothered to say a thing to me.

And over such a name that is hardly unique (once again, it may be uncommon, but it is NOT unique.), I think that is just plain foolish.

If the administrators, or whoever was relagated banning ability and did so, have even a SHRED of respect for their posters, they'd have said something. And considering my posting history of 6 posts, which were neither offensive, nor an attempt at impersonation, I don't believe they considered it well enough.

I'm a moderator, I know the job, I close threads, I move them, I merge them, I split them, and usually, I'll leave an explanation.

When somebody repeats threads, I either use the search function and post a link to a prior thread, requesting that they learn to do the same, and close it, or, if it was still a decent post, I instead use the search function and find the prior thread, then merge them.

It's a bit of work, but it's what I feel I owe the posters of the forums I moderate out of respect.

And yes, it's a private forum, and I could do pretty much whatever I wanted, until enough people complained to the administrator and got my modship removed, and I don't even play the game anymore...
But I respect other people, and I expect other people to return it.
And people in a position of power should definitely never forget what respect is.

What I'd like to see is:
-An apology, with or without excuses, as I myself realized belatedly that it might be taken as an impersonation attempt, although such actions were hardly warranted
-A revision of policy to include if not forewarning, an explanation for why people were suspended, in such cases where they weren't obvious offenders. Either that, or revise your ToS to say, "Don't use names with the names of our staff, as they will be suspended for attempts at personation, whether or not that is your name as well. Find something else, we reign supreme here."
-My account back.

I'd settle for the first 2, and if you can't see after all this that it is not some attempt at impersonation, that you're worried still, I believe you're the worst kind of rule maker. One who makes a rule for a good reason, then loses sight of that reason, and carries out the rule for the sake of the rule itself, even should it become obsolete far into the future.

And for a final time, a reminder that I'm not making demands based on non-existant rights, I'm making an appeal to decency. You may be officials in charge, but you're people too.
And so am I.

Even clouded by anger, the worst insult I tossed was saying you're arrogant, which I admit may have been uncalled for (although, I refuse to fully retract it because it may be the case). Even when I had in my mind that you were respectless brash power-abusive people, that was all I let out. Because I refuse to think of you as less than people.

So if you wouldn't mind doing the same for me, OK?

[I've also had my gmail PrincessElly account since 11/08/04]

StillEllyEvenSuspended
23-03-2005, 21:55
I just looked at your settings, and it says you are not registered under Lady Elly, but it has your email and posts. I dont know, maybe you typed the password wrong? I am on vacation, but I just hopped on to check the forums quick. It might be that the mod(s) were affraid of you immatating Elly (the admin) becase we have had things like that happen.

I would say that you email Elly and see if she has a reason why that the account was suspended/bannd, but my guess is the fear of impersonation. And yes, it has happened before, so we try to prevent it from happening again.

Password's right, because I just used the same exact one as this one, and I can log in and view things, but I can't change anything.

I sent a PM using the 'contact us' option, but yeah, I guess I can send an email too.

Not going through all of it again, though, so I'll just link her -.-

Elly
24-03-2005, 04:17
I'm currently away from home at a family funeral and I've only been able to jump on-line very quickly to check my PMs. I found a few alerts to the user account and suspended it. I didn't have time to PM you and for that I apologise. I havenít read your thread here just saw the name and assumed the rest so Iím not able to address anything in them.

Please feel free to pick another name that does not include that of a moderator or administrator. I understand Elly is your name but I'm sorry, that name or any derivative of it (or any other moderator/admin) isn't appropriate.

I shall add a note to the rules to elaborate on the impersonation bit.

If there was a setting in the forum that allowed me to put a block on moderator names being registered (as there is with emails) I would have done it before now. Bizarrely there doesn't appear to be one.

StillEllyEvenSuspended
24-03-2005, 04:51
Thank you for being reasonable.
However, I won't be using your forums any time in the future on a matter of principle, because I think such a rule is foolish, but I do so peacably without ill will, as they ARE your forums.

And I'm glad you followed the suggestion for the appendage to your forum rules to clarify that.

Edit:
By foolish, I mean the point is to stop impersonation, but if a person has no such intent, then you've lost sight of the end you hoped to achieve in the execution of the means.

On an alternative note, one of my friends wondered if a disclaimer in the signature would suffice to quell any doubts about the relation between one who manages the forum and one who is a poster, when the names are too similar?

"[21:55] <screen name removed for privacy>: *Lady Elly is not the moderator Elly or in any way shape or form associated with the modoerator on this forum baring a similar name, she is her own person and opinions expressed by Lady Elly belong to only her and are not shared by the administration of this forum*"

Whatever the case, I'm really not in the mood to deal with it.

Consider it, and enjoy the forums.

rplusplus
24-03-2005, 08:22
On an alternative note, one of my friends wondered if a disclaimer in the signature would suffice to quell any doubts about the relation between one who manages the forum and one who is a poster, when the names are too similar?

"[21:55] <screen name removed for privacy>: *Lady Elly is not the moderator Elly or in any way shape or form associated with the modoerator on this forum baring a similar name, she is her own person and opinions expressed by Lady Elly belong to only her and are not shared by the administration of this forum*"



The one thing there is that only paid members of the forums and Admin, Mods, have signatures. I think that after not being able to use Elly in your member name you're probably not in a mood to donate to the site?

But I will say that for someone who has lost thier battle to use a certain member name your responses were incredibly mature and well spoken and it is a shame that you won't be staying as you would make a very welcome addition to our family.

Mayhaps you will reconsider?

I mean... Sometimes it is GOOD to be someone other than yourself, no?

R++