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dandimonium
29-05-2005, 11:38
why why don't mesmers ever get any credit in pvp battles
just becauseyou can't really see what the mesmers do doesn't mean they not doing anything.
Mesmers are normally the heart of a team and i think they are more inportant than monks and warriors.
I was just commenting a short while ago in the ranger forum about how mesmers feel the same way as rangers do. You're both in the same boat and you don't even know it.
Gwyndion
29-05-2005, 12:25
Rangers you can see their arrows fly, their troll eugent healing you, their pet bashing the enemy etc, but with mesmers, you have to look closely above the mesmers head , but thats a good thing, because then they'll underestimate mesmers
Nobleman Azure
29-05-2005, 18:26
Because from previous games bow users could be powerhouses, thats what most people expect from a ranger. But ranger's biggest plus isnt in damage but its neg condition dealing with traps, field manipulation with spirits and all around versatility with their type of skills. Of course not alot of people will notice these type of things, its rare they realize that barbed trap the foe just stepped on caused the inevitability of his demise.
Now for mesmers, the spell effects are minimal, and no one knows what you did to the target but you and him. This is why in competetive PVP in tombs i always declare what I did. "Number 8 is backfired!", "In progress of draining Number 4", "Number 5 is at zero energy". These, not only lets others know what i do as a mesmer but it helps them devise a plan out of it; number 8 is backfired so it wouldnt be wise for another mesmer to backfire it would he? number 4 and number 5 have or will have no energy, no point of focus firing on him, hes pretty much disabled.
dandimonium
29-05-2005, 19:15
do you think that if a mesmer is being played well that they are more important than monks or warriors
do you think that if a mesmer is being played well that they are more important than monks or warriors
No,but then again i would say the same thing if you asked if the War and monk where more important then the mes.
Mesmers and rangers set up enemies for warriors and elementalists to knock down (sometimes literally). Necromancrs straddle both sides, doing a half decent show of both jobs.
Corrodias
30-05-2005, 03:36
a few of us recognize that the only way to truly counter multiple monks and air elementalists (the biggest headaches for pvpers on the opposing teams) is mesmers.
i was stuck in this sad little group of 2 monks, a warrior, and a necro, i believe, facing a W/Mo. since none of us could interrupt her healing, she was able to survive infinitely long. thankfully, she eventually decided to surrender.
Maul Junior
30-05-2005, 03:49
lol...
from reading these forums and playing the game as a R/Me, I KNOW how good Mesmers can be.
They are insanely powerful...
not that I'd want a team of 8 Mesmers, or anything, lol...
that's overkill.
i was stuck in this sad little group of 2 monks, a warrior, and a necro, i believe, facing a W/Mo. since none of us could interrupt her healing, she was able to survive infinitely long. thankfully, she eventually decided to surrender.
What's funny about that is that I rarely take interrupts with my mesmer. I hate playing the waiting/timing game.
However, I do bring along backfire, energy burn, and energy tap. It's rough when your heals actually do damage, and then you run out of energy. :-)
-Jeff
Nobleman Azure
30-05-2005, 04:14
interrupts is a must for me, one is enough though since my skill bar is limited. You dont have to wait, be like a hawk and leer on everything in the field while doing your job. You will recognize whoever is casting those long cast spells and youre gonna be able to nail them.
UncleJemima
02-06-2005, 13:53
What's funny about that is that I rarely take interrupts with my mesmer. I hate playing the waiting/timing game.
However, I do bring along backfire, energy burn, and energy tap. It's rough when your heals actually do damage, and then you run out of energy. :-)
-Jeff
If ya dont want to wait, you can use shame to interrupt spells.
Crimson Stigmata
03-06-2005, 18:20
surely there is a reason why mesmers are targetted next to monks ;)
I love mesmers (I have one and played a preamade through HoH). They make the team's job a lot easier!
HAVe been playing as a WArrior the entire game. Finished the game already being 100% warrior. however my second proffesion is Me. i began to experiment with their Elite SKills and many regulars.. and so far im more impressed by the Damage Mesmer can do than warriors.
Yes.. The server artery/gash/./..Final trust ,combo.. is amazing againts one single foe.. but MEsmer have similar combos that can do as much damage but not to one.. but 2-4 foes at the same time :love57:
HAve seen my *Chaos STorm* stealing -12 of health every second for 12seconds to a group of *4 foes at same time*.. and -5 of energy steal to spell casters. My *Energy Surge* [elite domination skills] take -74 health to all very close -adjacent foes.. which is very nice.. and BAckFIre properly used -140 is amazing. usually im the last to stand in any battle of the RPG game .. and thats perhaps it is.. because being a warrior.. with max protection ARMor .. i can sustain the same damage as any other warrior.. Plus can do the multiple damage of Mesmer. is funny to see the BIG diference my SKills can do in any battle. the sad thing is that people "dont see" your damage. No arrows ,no Fire from sky or melee atacks or earthwakes. So probably thats why people dont notice u in battle.
Being a pure warrior most of time.. fighting with swords ,From all the classes in the game.. the only ones i respect are Mesmers.. with all others i have no fear to atack... and thats because i know how powerfull @BAckfires and @Empathy @blackouts are . Lol :happy53:
I remember being in PvP at a time.. and saw this Mesmer Girl.. i ran to atack her with my sword until i saw the Empathy spell.. i was there not knowing what to do.. because was using only warrior skills. and no healer to backup. so i was there just waiting for the spell to end .. lol :) early in the game as a warrior.. i could not handle a candle in 1 vs 1 againts spell caster foes that were 3-4 levels more advanced. as mesmer it was the opposite.. a field day... all that u need is to block their skills ,steal their energy and backfire them.
currently i think that when it comes to group vs group combat .Mesmers are the ones that makes the biggest diference in the battle -after Monks- of course. Mesmer are the stealth fighters in the game.. and this is good.. they dont see us.. we like to steal all their energy and make useless their skills.Just imagine going to any fight without any skills? its suicide.. so thats what Mesmer likes most to do.. disable your enemy abilities.The best Memers combo is for me using them as secondary.. and warrior as primary as that is only because of the benefit of their 80+20 armor. againts physical damage. Right now playing 100% as Mesmer. no single warrior skills ,but the protection armor of warriors.Strenght skills are not very usefull againt foes level 24+ the "critical damage"is minimal at best. For elemental damage Mesmer already have very usefull mantras. that we already know :happy14:
Thats bull****.
Mesmers get too much credit, we're always the first one to get hit, wether there is or isnt a monk D:
Gwyndion
21-06-2005, 13:56
I'm always one of the first toi be targeted, but in the around 100 hours I've played, I've gotten maybe 5 good jobs , of which 2 were from ressing, even when i res, its rare for me to receive a thanks, while a monk does get em almost always....btw, what are some good monk skills that work good for a mesmer and where can I get them please?
I'm always one of the first toi be targeted, but in the around 100 hours I've played, I've gotten maybe 5 good jobs , of which 2 were from ressing, even when i res, its rare for me to receive a thanks, while a monk does get em almost always....btw, what are some good monk skills that work good for a mesmer and where can I get them please?
Spell breaker from the blessed gripphon bosses, annoying anti hex spell :|
People are starting to come around again. The current situation and paradigms of people is not that uncommon from the first two BWE's when the mass public (first time being introduced to the game) almost completley ignored Mesmers the first weekend, and during the second is when the Mesmer population started to gain clout. It's been a few months and people have started to slowly realize that damage isnt everything....ofocurse youll never be able to tell most warriors or elementalists that, or really even fellow Mesmers for that matter.
Most people are so concerned with damage they completely loose site of objective, even those of us who play Mesmers. To me the question isnt 'how much damage can I do' but how I can neutralize my foes. I could care less if they die....as long as they are hindered. As long as I'm wasting their time and effort, I'm gonna be doing a job well done.
But to get a lil back towards the main topic, Mesmers are starting to gain clout again. You see a lot more of them now than you did 2 months ago. Even though half of them in the arenas seem to be Illusionary Weaponrists... I miss being an IW when people would say things like "a mesmer trying to go melle, lol joo newb", and then you could kill them and grin knowing you just helped someone become a better player. Now when you see an IW people might say "Oh watch out for that one, anyone got a strip enchant?". A force to be revered. Though I dont run my IW's any more, except for once earlier this week. Anyone remember hundred blades with it?...lord that was overpowered.
Anyhow, dont count the Mesmers out, they are gaining many fans. And I dont believe someone has truely experienced Guild Wars until they have played a Mesmer, its usually a realization process that damage isnt everything.
Gwyndion
21-06-2005, 14:52
Yeah, I use backfire, both in pvp and pve, in pve, it kills, in pvp, it completely blocks most casters out of fear for damage, throw in an emptahy, wrastlers worry (If i had it), a few degen spells, and he's as good as dead...I prefer DoT over direct damage, it was funny, I once put some points in inspiration, and all on illusion, so I backfire a monk, , mantra of persistence, conjure phantasm and phantom pain, the other monk didn't heal him, then after 15 seconds, they saw he still had degen, and another player had two degens on him, then they started saying, WTF, HOW LONG DOES THAT ****ING THING LAST??? and THAT HAS TO BE A HACK!!! THERES NO WAY A SIMPLE MESMER SPELL CAN DO AS MUCH DAMAGE AS MY ELE SPELLS!!!
In my guild, we give the Mesmers and the Rangers the most credit (we're in the top 100) :D
Traps and interrupts rock j00
Timewalker
22-06-2005, 12:17
Who says you can't do IW and Hundred Blades anymore? They just made it more difficult by making them both elite.
Tell your guildmate who runs sword to bring along hundred blades. Use arcane mimicry to copy your friends hundred blades. Now use your IW and Hundred Blades. =)
Who says you can't do IW and Hundred Blades anymore? They just made it more difficult by making them both elite.
Tell your guildmate who runs sword to bring along hundred blades. Use arcane mimicry to copy your friends hundred blades. Now use your IW and Hundred Blades. =)
Why not just go for cyclone axe?
it requires ene, not adrenalin
My prefer char is for sure my mesmer, so dinamic, so funny and diferent from others, we can make serious problems in meles and caster, or specialit in one, but for example i hate ppl dun invite us to Underworld, FoW, etc, just for be mesmer, they think only need warriors, monk and Ele's and dun invite coz we are "unuseful" there.
Is hard find a party for Underwold being a mesmer, only can go there whit friends when they are log.
Why not just go for cyclone axe?
it requires ene, not adrenalin
Actually they BOTH require energy... The same amount in fact.
Actually they BOTH require energy... The same amount in fact.
Yes, but one is not an elite spell :D
why why don't mesmers ever get any credit in pvp battles
just becauseyou can't really see what the mesmers do doesn't mean they not doing anything.
Mesmers are normally the heart of a team and i think they are more inportant than monks and warriors.
Shhhhhhh! ;) ,Mesmers are no threat on the battlefield what so ever,all your warriors and rangers out there listen ,Don't worry about the mesmer,he isnt doing anything usful,just go attack the your enemy's monk,after all the monk is a threat he can heal and ressurect your enemies!!
- from the lips of Remy Lebaux - Mesmer / Necromancer (Monk Assassin)
Jai Hind
30-06-2005, 20:57
this is so true
we never get credit
warriors & most wanted monks gets credits
Pan Sola
30-06-2005, 21:14
I think there's a difference between being targeted, and being given credit.
The warriors, monks, and casters realize how big a threat their *enemy* mesmer is, thus call them out as targets. But the mesmer's allies don't realize what the mesmer is doing and don't give them credit. So you get the worse of both worlds d-:
And I bet while part of the recent soar in new mesmer builds is an evolutionary cycle to counter the air elementalists, the continued soar has to do with the newly updated 15k enchnater's attire :D
MetasynMan
30-06-2005, 21:32
And I bet while part of the recent soar in new mesmer builds is an evolutionary cycle to counter the air elementalists, the continued soar has to do with the newly updated 15k enchnater's attire :D
Amen to that! I mean seriously, who fights in lingerie? Oh wait... I do... lol. But seriously, I think Mesmers are gaining some respect lately. The parties that kick me or don't let me in, I'd just assume leave anyway because they probably don't know what they're doing half the time. You don't get that much anymore from guys who PvP alot or at least know how scary a good mesmer can be. I was in the jungle missions last night with my Me/N, made my own party, and had to lead the way. Had a guy ask me how I survived some of those hits in that nightgown, and I just winked. ;) Domination & Blood magic is the life for me!
Yeah don't worry about my Mez. i'm a Mez/Nec i'm not threat at all... except that i droped an E/Mo in 6 seconds =) And can take on W/Mo on my ownand drop them when i go down =) Ranger's and other Mez are my big problem=)
When parting with my Mez the other day i had the Tank tell me "you are better than having an elementist around" haha.. because i was dealing out horribly high damage, to areas =) Something about Mez and Cureses rocks =)
Judas Priest
30-06-2005, 22:44
I've never tried a Mesmer build. Heard they are really good, but I dont see many high level mesmers or any mesmers in general. Almost everyone is either a Warrior or a Monk. I am sure that a Mesmer can kill almost any class with ease. I dont like how ArenaNet made all the characters look, Necro's look like they belong in a mental institution, the elementalists look like homosexual's and they dance that way, and the mesmer's have enormous heads with tiny little bodies. Whoever came up with those terrible dances does not know how to dance. The only dance I find interesting is a Necro's. :winking47
MetasynMan
30-06-2005, 23:07
How can you not like the female elem dancing like a stripper? And even the male elem's dance is entertaining, albeit very bad in terms of dancing skills. Anyone else remember the "Elaine" dance from Seinfeld?
I object! Most gay folk dance far better! :D
and err... the mesmer one is an old traditional one. A sword dance I believe (though most mistake it for riverdance)
Nice thread here.
Lvl 20 E/Me
Lvl 20 Me/Mo
I have noticed playing both ele and me that Mesmers rock.
Ele can spam chain lightning with arcane echo what does about 200 damage in 10 secs or something depending on armour.
But i like the way that mesmers dont get any credit and there are really few of us because when u go in to FoW or UW everytime when someone PM u and ask if i could join them i instantly know that they have well build team because they know that mesmers can help team.
First timers at FoW or UW usually take tons of Warriors and monks and think they can do it easily but it usually takes 3 mins them to die because all of the warriors rushing to mobs.
I got some nice story too that shows that mesmers arent that bad.
At my first ten levels when i was at ascalon wandering around and doing some quests i decided to test my new build and go to arena at lvl 7.
i had Ascalon armour (al30) and + physical damagae al, but nothing fancy.
then i went there took few battles and learnt what skills should i use.
At one battle we had somehow a sad team because all my teammates were killed almost instantly rushing into other team so i left alone and there were 3 on other side. But nothing to worry there were no monks left because their only monk was killed so i cast backfire on ele and some energy burn.. puff. he was dead. then there was only warrior and ranger.
Warrior rushed me but i didnt mind because i had mending on me so he really couldnt get much of damage to me and i gave him some emphaty and phantasm. so my team was just * :surprise: * when warrior was 'puff' dead too.
well ranger wasnt real problem because he didnt do so much damage and i had chaos storm to put him.
What happened might be a fluke or just blind luck but it was fun and maybe some ppl at that arena realized that mesmers ROCK too :happy34:
So all the credits to Mezzes
Ps. this might not work anymore because ppl novadays have droknar armours at ascalon i think.
I object! Most gay folk dance far better! :D
and err... the mesmer one is an old traditional one. A sword dance I believe (though most mistake it for riverdance)
No man, no.
It's a pirate's dance, you can totally sing the 50 men on a dead man's chest song to it.
Mesmers are pirates YAR
Colretsun Andolin
01-07-2005, 19:12
How can you not like the female elem dancing like a stripper? And even the male elem's dance is entertaining, albeit very bad in terms of dancing skills. Anyone else remember the "Elaine" dance from Seinfeld?
Its like a full body dry heave.
The only reason mesmers get invited into groups is because people have been targeted by mesmer hexes, and so other people are like oh hey mesmers, I heard their good, bring the l33t shutdown. This is what PUG in Tombs is like for me.
geriatric
08-07-2005, 20:00
Its like a full body dry heave.
Such a funny Seinfeld line. Classic.
Smoke and Mist
08-07-2005, 20:42
Its like a full body dry heave.
The only reason mesmers get invited into groups is because people have been targeted by mesmer hexes, and so other people are like oh hey mesmers, I heard their good, bring the l33t shutdown. This is what PUG in Tombs is like for me.
I have noticed a huge change over the last few weeks. At first it was hard to find a group and now I have no problem. In fact the last couple of times in Team Arena people have asked me to join. As you said I think that people are noticing that mesmers annoy all classes equally and therefore can help them out.
Showing that I am canadian there are hockey players out there like this. No one wanted to play against Claude Lemeuix but everyone wanted him on their team. :)
The problem with this increased fame will be increased targetting. Everyone is starting to realize we kill/shutdown monks so they are frequently coming after me first and I have trouble facing a simultaneus elemental/physical attack.
geriatric
08-07-2005, 21:26
I've always found Mesmers to be prime targets right alongside of Monks. Everytime I've been in any PvP, the rule to go by is "attack Monks and Mesmers first".
Mesmers are still rare-ish. People fear them but are unwilling to try them, or just won't know how to play them.
The misconceptions about Mesmers as being useful or damage-dealers still remain.
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