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Eratimus
10-01-2006, 14:58
Over the past year since the release of Guild Wars and even during its Beta, me and a number of others have conducted research to uncover the lost languages and glyphs in GuildWars. This is still an ongoing project. For those who have yet to see what was originally found, I will give you the research thusfar. We are still seeking images and other sightings of runes. Please send anything that may be of use to eratimus@gmail.com

I am interested in any new runic findings in the new areas, ie Sorrow's Furnace etc or anything that has been release over the past months.

Research:

As found by multiple people in the Guild Wars Community, banners displaying a map of the world were found. After a short while, the runes were translated into a near complete alphabet. This alphabet has been thought as an ancient or old alphabet of the Orr, but this is still under scrutiny. While this alphabet is not complete, as we are still missing about 6 letters, it is complete enough to translate the whole map. This lead us to the discovery of the Crystal Desert before
any official release of its existence was made. It was also noted that
the runes used for these were a mixture of Norwegian - Swedish,
Fulthark, and Gothic Runes.

There were a few more sets of rune found that were quite original. The
runes found on the road signs were not of the Orrian Alphabet. We also
located runes on 4 obelisks located in the "Talkmark Wilderness" just
west of "The Black Curtain", which after some discussion, were soon
thought to be a zodiak of some kind. It was originally thought the
screen shot was taken in the Maguuma Desert, but I soon confirmed the
location to not be that far West, but to be just west of the Temple of
Ages.

We had also located what appear to be heirglyphs on he walls of the
Tomb of Primeval Kings which appear to be Egyptian, but were not able
to get clear enough imaging to decipher them. These same hieroglyphs
were recently found on the base of a Dragon Statue in the Crystal
Desert.

Crystal Desert findings:

As we finally gained access to the Crystal Desert once Guild Wars had
gone gold, we were introduced to 1 if not 2 separately new sets of
runes/glyphs.

Transporter Runes:

It would seem that the transporters used to magically move from one
transporter artifact to another have a ring of runes encircled which
we believe to be the origin of the magic. It may seem as if they are a
full set of runes all around, but in fact are 7 distinctly different
runes, reversed at least 4 times as they encircle the portal area.
These runes have yet to be seen anywhere else nor do they resemble any
others.

Ascension Runes:

There are another set of 5 glyphs found on multiple
pillars/towers/obelisks through out the Crystal Desert that give sight
of magical properties. Excitingly so, 3 of these glyphs are actually
found within the portal area one must travel to prior to your
Ascension Mirror Self battle. You must step on the correct sequence of
the three glyphs. We have yet to locate any other locations for the
remaining 2 glyphs anywhere else but those pullers.

Road Signs:

It would also seem there is another set of runes that all signs and
road posts are written in. These are similar to the ones found on the
Obelisks in the Talmark Wilderness , yet none are the same in
configuration. Additionally, no matter what their hover text
description of the sign is, ie Ascalon City or Yak's Bend, they say
they are written with the same r unes. Here is something odd though.
Post Searing Signs have different runes then Pre-Searing. What I mean
is, while all Post Searing signs are written with the same runes, and
all pre-searing are written with the same runes, the actual runes seen
pre and post are different in themselves. IF ArenaNet has a reason as
to why the signs all are written the same, it is thought the signs may
simply say, "This Way" or, "Over There" or the like to give a reason
as to why they all say the same thing.

Diety Statue Plaques:

Yet again we have more runes that are similar yet different from
others we found. Plaques found before statues have runes similar to
the Orrian, yet none are a match. The other quandary is, they too all
are written exactly the same. Whether the "hover text" of Statue of
Dwayna or for others are different, each and every plaque are written
with the sam exact runes in the say exact pattern, saying it says the
same thing. Which either this means they all say something, but is
something basic like Deity Statue, or the like, or again Arena Net
simply did not have an intention to have them mean anything and thus
make them all the same.

Latest Discovery between the Charr and Talkmark Wilderness Obelisks and Tomb Statues:

Recently, I obtained images of 2 banners and 1 pillar located in the
ruined Ascalon area. One banner included a fierce creature growling,
with runes running down both sides. The second shows what looks like a
lion or animal head with 4 wings protruding out of it, with the same
looking runes alone the sides, again seeing the same runes yet in
different orders along the edges speaking of it saying something else.
We also have a pillar that had the same runes, again not in the same
order, that both banners were written in. If I am not mistaken, as
they are inhabiting the locations now, these are banners, and is the
language of the Charr.

Here is the big focus on this, I discovered that at least 2 of the
runes on the banners and pillar, are nearly exactly the same as some
found on the Talmark Wilderness Obelisks. This brings into focus that
in fact both sets are the same language or similar languages, and
combining both, allows for a large list of the same alphabet or a
similar alphabet, bringing in the connection that they are not
separate, yet the same language. It has been stated that like real
life languages the inhabitants of the Talmark area could have adopted
a similar language as the Charr. But, I am not sure if ArenaNet would
have gone that far, if in fact theyh have gone as far as all this
actually meaning anything, which we all hope it does. So you must
wonder, if they are separate, yet adopted languages, what language
does the Talmark belong to? If they are the same language, which
points to being Charr, does this mean the Charr once were found in the
western lands of Kryta? It has also been suggested that this could be
an adopted language of the serpent creatures of legend, later adopted
by the Charr and the Talmark inhabitants.

A new discovery reveals that the same Tilmark runes are found at the base of the Statues on each side of the Tomb of Primeval Kings entrance. As to their meaning, as each one displays the same word or letters on everyone, is unknown.

Some great work has been done since we started, which I would like to
great thank eveyrone who has participated.

Although to be responsible, I have to say the obvious, that I know and
am aware of the fact that all this, all the runes, all the alphabets
could in fact lead to nothing, mean nothing, and ArenaNet has not, nor
intended all this work to be done, as it all is just eye candy having
no meaning what so ever.

I have also made efforts in the translations of the Primeval King Heiroglyphs. It has come to me that the alphabet is very similar to the Eqyptians, but certain symbols were modified to give varations between them to. I have uncovered some of the alphabet from these inscriptions and was able to partially translate a stone submited by Ogaming Moderator Eolan, thank you. Right now the translations are jumbled and no words can be found from them, it is still a great start in uncovering the hidden lore of Tyria.

As I stated before, I recently discovered that the runes found below the statues along each side of the entrance at the Tomb of Primeval Kings use the Tilmark Glyphs/Runes. I am still working on translating any letters or phrases from this alphabet.

Old Orrian Runic Alphabet:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6930/oldorrianalphabet0fc.th.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oldorrianalphabet0fc.jpg)

Map:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9253/ascalonmap8tq.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ascalonmap8tq.jpg)

Talmark Runes::
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2978/charrtilmarkalphabet0lj.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=charrtilmarkalphabet0lj.jpg)

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4416/charrbannerletters6tl.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=charrbannerletters6tl.jpg)

Eratimus
10-01-2006, 14:58
Crystal Desert Heiroglyphic Alphabet:
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/802/crystaldesertheiroglyphsalphab.th.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crystaldesertheiroglyphsalphab.jpg)

Translations:

Eolen's Original Image:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1707/heiroglyphscircled6qm.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=heiroglyphscircled6qm.jpg)

Translation from Eolen's Original Image:
http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/5795/hieroglyphtranslation016mh.th.png (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hieroglyphtranslation016mh.png) ]

It still needs some work, and they may not be using the Egyptain translations and just the image, but it is a start.

Elemental Glyphs
On going reearch to uncover any runic meanings to the Elemental Glyphs

[img=http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4755/elementalglyphs0nn.th.jpg] (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elementalglyphs0nn.jpg)

Eratimus
10-01-2006, 15:01
Crystal Desert Runes and Glyphs

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4434/cdascensionglyphs6gu.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cdascensionglyphs6gu.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Synthos/5.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4755/elementalglyphs0nn.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elementalglyphs0nn.jpg)

[img=http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8187/tombtilmarkrunes4no.th.jpg] (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tombtilmarkrunes4no.jpg)

Izzabo
10-01-2006, 15:48
Wow I commend you and others that have put time and effort into this and also appreciate the shreing here. I don't know if you have taken the Runes of Fate that Odin cast down into the mix but I have a couple of times (yes it may all be wonderful eye candy but it has caught my interest more than once also lol ) The last Glyph you step on before faceing your miror self is the Rune Of Fate. Depending on if you lay these Runes out in spreads dor a reading, which spread you use. Runes unlike Tarot tell you what the challage or growth is. On the statues although the symbols are the same, the outcome can vary drastically. May be way off base on this but just wanted to tell you what I have tried and seen, and makes sense in many instances.

Eratimus
10-01-2006, 16:27
Wow I commend you and others that have put time and effort into this and also appreciate the shreing here. I don't know if you have taken the Runes of Fate that Odin cast down into the mix but I have a couple of times (yes it may all be wonderful eye candy but it has caught my interest more than once also lol ) The last Glyph you step on before faceing your miror self is the Rune Of Fate. Depending on if you lay these Runes out in spreads dor a reading, which spread you use. Runes unlike Tarot tell you what the challage or growth is. On the statues although the symbols are the same, the outcome can vary drastically. May be way off base on this but just wanted to tell you what I have tried and seen, and makes sense in many instances.

Interesting. Do you have a resource you can give me showing all the Runes cast down by Odin? I would like tot ry and compare them.

zweistein
10-01-2006, 17:01
what about this, didnt see it in your materials:

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/1830/gw0134tq.jpg

(found in bonus area of The Wilds mission)

Tiyuri
10-01-2006, 17:03
Or maybe Anet drew meaningless symbols on stuff to make it look good! and the reason the sign posts all have the same image is to save space on textures!

:clap:

Nightfall Crescent
10-01-2006, 17:22
thats what I tought about Morrowind's runes too. But it turns out The Elder Scrolls sereis has a whole Deadric Alphabet of runes. So just maybe the folks of Anet are creative enough to do the same.

Tiyuri
10-01-2006, 17:32
thats what I tought about Morrowind's runes too. But it turns out The Elder Scrolls sereis has a whole Deadric Alphabet of runes. So just maybe the folks of Anet are creative enough to do the same.

Doubt it .

Gangrel
10-01-2006, 18:21
Impressive work nonetheless! :happy14:

Noa Brightington
10-01-2006, 18:52
The orrian alphabet looks odd, like it was written backwards from how we normally write. From right to left, instead of left to right.

Dunno if that would be a factor in anything though.

Scutilla
10-01-2006, 20:17
Well, the map in the first post (found in Ember Light Camp) is accurate at lease, I've translated the writing the runes and it's (surprisingly enough :rolleyes: ) the names of all the major locations on the map.

Eratimus
10-01-2006, 20:52
Well, the map in the first post (found in Ember Light Camp) is accurate at lease, I've translated the writing the runes and it's (surprisingly enough :rolleyes: ) the names of all the major locations on the map.

This is exactly how I uncovered the existense of the Crystal Desert EVEN before ArenaNet announced and released it after Beta. If you take the alphabet I have constructed, you can translate it on the lower right to Crystal Desert. It is the same for all the major areas as you described. All can be translated using the Orrian Alphabet.

So, yes while some of it can be pretty texture, not all of it SINCE the Orrian alphabet I uncovered actually means something.

As tot he wilds bonus runes, that is interesting. What exactly is the bonus that needs to be completed, ie the process, tasks, etc?

Eratimus
10-01-2006, 21:11
The orrian alphabet looks odd, like it was written backwards from how we normally write. From right to left, instead of left to right.

Dunno if that would be a factor in anything though.

It is actually written left ot right. The only one that seems to be right to left is Ring of Fire

zweistein
10-01-2006, 21:15
As tot he wilds bonus runes, that is interesting. What exactly is the bonus that needs to be completed, ie the process, tasks, etc?

In case you dont know it: You eavesdrop two centraus that give hint that centaur leaders have meeting, you have to kill them. Excact places can be found simply by exploring

This tri-stone structures are at two places there, all bearing same symbols (which look a lot like crystal desert symbols, and stones are hexa like ascension "buttons")

Miss Ironwire
10-01-2006, 21:22
I don't know any word that can describe your work, but 'fantastic' comes close. Well done!

Eratimus
10-01-2006, 21:28
With the help of Zero Fury, we have been able to redefine the alphabet more bringing them closer ot how they look.

Old Orrian Runic Alphabet:
[img=http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3563/orrianalphabet4xu.th.jpg] (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=orrianalphabet4xu.jpg)

Map:
[img=http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/7215/tyrianmap5co.th.jpg] (http://img287.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tyrianmap5co.jpg)

Zaxares
10-01-2006, 22:46
Wow, I'm impressed. I never really paid that much attention to the signs hanging around the world. Guess I should. Kudos to you and your associates for all the research, and kudos to Anet for putting so much (unrecognised) effort into this.:happy34:

bumbledust
10-01-2006, 23:02
Wow, absolutely brilliant work. I had taken some time to translate the runes found in Morrowind, but it never occured to me to do the same here. I just assumed they were pretty textures, nothing more.

You can be assured that if I come across anything you haven't already posted, I'll send it your way.

Izzabo
10-01-2006, 23:06
Wow I commend you and others that have put time and effort into this and also appreciate the shreing here. I don't know if you have taken the Runes of Fate that Odin cast down into the mix but I have a couple of times (yes it may all be wonderful eye candy but it has caught my interest more than once also lol ) The last Glyph you step on before faceing your miror self is the Rune Of Fate. Depending on if you lay these Runes out in spreads dor a reading, which spread you use. Runes unlike Tarot tell you what the challage or growth is. On the statues although the symbols are the same, the outcome can vary drastically. May be way off base on this but just wanted to tell you what I have tried and seen, and makes sense in many instances.


The link below explains Odin's Rune Magic very well and has some links for furthur information :)

http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/odins_magic.html

Eratimus
11-01-2006, 15:35
The link below explains Odin's Rune Magic very well and has some links for furthur information :)

http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/odins_magic.html

The only runes these seem to be a reference to are the Orrian. I had originally found these to be very close to the old Danish-Norweagan and Gothic-Norse runes. Although some have been changed.

Eratimus
11-01-2006, 15:57
Thank Zweistein for his contribution of the Wilds glyphs. What they refer to are currently unknown, although I plan to investigate them today. If anyone is on and wish to join. Contact Master Antiquetaes or Eratimus Swiftarrow

[img=http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8083/unknownwildsrunes2mo.th.jpg] (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unknownwildsrunes2mo.jpg)

KCBeserk
11-01-2006, 16:19
will if u follow guildwars mytholgy the flying dragon is an ancient god and the triangle shows a transefer sumthing leaveing sumthing coming and the the cross is oubvosily a target mark so it looks like thesse were part of the aceint golds acension processes

OR
the devs put it in cause it looks cool

Eratimus
11-01-2006, 16:28
will if u follow guildwars mytholgy the flying dragon is an ancient god and the triangle shows a transefer sumthing leaveing sumthing coming and the the cross is oubvosily a target mark so it looks like thesse were part of the aceint golds acension processes

OR
the devs put it in cause it looks cool

Hmm, that is an interesting idea. Perhaps the dragon may also refer Glint.

While I am working on investigating this more. Cany anyone give me a detail of the story behind the Wilds bonus? They may give a hint to what the glyphs there refer to.

As to them being ascension runes, that is alos a thought.

The 5 glpyhs you see on the pillars in the Crystal Desert are ascension runes of a kind, as 3 of them are actually the glyphs used for ascension.

Meronym
11-01-2006, 17:34
As I remember it the Wilds bonus concerns to centaur tribes whose leaders are planning to form an alliance to wage war on the humans.

Talking of Glint though - she was the first creature created by the Gods.

Hope that helps your translation.

Brilliant work, by the way! :worship:

ultimastrike
11-01-2006, 18:13
I think it's awesome that the creators of GW spent so much time piecing together this stuff. Even if the majority of it just turns out to be gibberish, at least some of it has been translated.

Now THAT is attention to detail.

jvxmtg
11-01-2006, 21:10
I'm not sure about this but I believe that the Bloodstone in Bloodstone Fen Mission also have rune carving on them. Lore said that there are 4 Bloodstones and a Keystone hidden in Tyria, all 5 pieces if reassembled will grant you full control of all types of magic.

I'll do the Bloodstone mission tonight to confirm and I'll post screenshot here.

By the way, I'm also exploring many areas to complete the Orrian Alphabet, great job on this reasearch :happy14:

jvxmtg
11-01-2006, 21:46
Thank Zweistein for his contribution of the Wilds glyphs. What they refer to are currently unknown, although I plan to investigate them today. If anyone is on and wish to join. Contact Master Antiquetaes or Eratimus Swiftarrow

[img=http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8083/unknownwildsrunes2mo.th.jpg] (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unknownwildsrunes2mo.jpg)

The dragon in the image is not Glint nor any of the facets, rather it is a Bone Dragon, which can be found East of the Wilds in Magesty's Rest or Sanctum Cay Mission.

Pan Sola
11-01-2006, 22:24
Fascinating research.

I just wrote an article about your research on a particular wiki (one of these days I would eventually break the gwonline rule on accident). It doesn't mention anything sepecific, except for the fact that some charactes have been translated into English characters, plus a link to this thread.

The origins of the alphabets are so much speculation that it didn't even felt right to use the term "Orrian characters/runes/alphabets" in the article o_O"""

In the end I just titled the article "Writing systems"...

Anyways, great work (-:

TheSonofDarwin
11-01-2006, 22:54
I'm not sure about this but I believe that the Bloodstone in Bloodstone Fen Mission also have rune carving on them. Lore said that there are 4 Bloodstones and a Keystone hidden in Tyria, all 5 pieces if reassembled will grant you full control of all types of magic.

I have some screenies of the stone - not sure if they are what ya'll are looking for though:
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8058/gw2367he.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/446/gw2376ev.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1112/gw2381rg.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7752/gw2391kv.jpg
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/8500/gw2403ko.jpg
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/7415/gw2411lo.jpg
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/6255/gw2421vf.jpg

Eratimus
11-01-2006, 22:58
The dragon in the image is not Glint nor any of the facets, rather it is a Bone Dragon, which can be found East of the Wilds in Magesty's Rest or Sanctum Cay Mission.

That is interesting. I would like to see the Bloodstone rune and see if it compares at all to the glyphs we see in the wilds. Let me know what you find out.

Falazure
11-01-2006, 23:22
If you shove your camera through the back of Mhenlo, you see this:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7757/gw076jpeg1hx.jpg

It's the Ohm symbol, not 100% sure on the details behind it, but I think it is suppose to be a symbol of power. As for the statement: Baptiste said "Full Chakra", I believe they are referring to Alesia Baptiste (the monk hench).

jvxmtg
12-01-2006, 00:10
I have some screenies of the stone - not sure if they are what ya'll are looking for though:
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8058/gw2367he.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/446/gw2376ev.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1112/gw2381rg.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7752/gw2391kv.jpg
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/8500/gw2403ko.jpg
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/7415/gw2411lo.jpg
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/6255/gw2421vf.jpg

The last image shows one of the rune carving...I wonder if we can take screenie of the movie since in the movie, those carvings glows.

I'll be home in an hour so I'll post a screenie tonight.

Garreth MacLeod
12-01-2006, 00:41
Very interesting thread. Has anyone looked through the game manual or art of guild wars book to see if there's anything in those?

Oh, in regards to the Baptiste said full chakra quote. I remember seeing somewhere the henchmen with their full names. I'm fairly certain Alesia was Alesia Baptiste. And you can do a google on "fulchakra" and get some surprising results.

Ubermancer
12-01-2006, 01:55
Yes, Alesia's last name is Baptiste. In the good old days Henchies had last names just like us PC's.

TheSonofDarwin
12-01-2006, 02:46
Very interesting thread. Has anyone looked through the game manual or art of guild wars book to see if there's anything in those?

Oh, in regards to the Baptiste said full chakra quote. I remember seeing somewhere the henchmen with their full names. I'm fairly certain Alesia was Alesia Baptiste. And you can do a google on "fulchakra" and get some surprising results.

If I recall correctly, chakra are imaginary organs (or something to that extent), so it seems to be a bit of a funny coming from the design team. Full chakra = all imaginary organs since they are hollow on the inside? ;)

jvxmtg - sorry, I didn't even take notice to see if those very outside ones were different designs or not. I had to get the hench killed so they didn't activate the end scene while I took screenshots and afterwards I realized I hadn't changed my skills so I couldn't get them back on their feet.. (duh me for not bringing a rez with hench).

jvxmtg
12-01-2006, 16:50
jvxmtg - sorry, I didn't even take notice to see if those very outside ones were different designs or not. I had to get the hench killed so they didn't activate the end scene while I took screenshots and afterwards I realized I hadn't changed my skills so I couldn't get them back on their feet.. (duh me for not bringing a rez with hench).

lol don't worry about it I got a lot of screenshots from last night, been to many places forgot about the time so I didn't get a chance to post up some pics. I'll post them up tonight. Promise.

jvxmtg
13-01-2006, 00:00
Ok here are my screenshots.

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_ascaloncity_02.jpg
Banner found by Ascalon Arena..also on Nolani's Academy's Obelisks

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_bloodstone_01.jpg
Bloodstone...now where did we saw that equilateral triangle from?

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_bloodstone_02.jpg
Bloodstone, movie shot

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_courthouse_01.jpg
Found this in Grendrich Courthouse

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_desertteleport_01.jpg
Teleport pod in desert

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_lightningstrike_01.jpg
Just notice the rune symbol when casting spells.

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_ruins_01.jpg
I found this on the archway in Ruins of Surmia mission.

Eratimus
13-01-2006, 00:07
Ok here are my screenshots.

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_ascaloncity_02.jpg
Banner found by Ascalon Arena..also on Nolani's Academy's Obelisks

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_bloodstone_01.jpg
Bloodstone...now where did we saw that equilateral triangle from?

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_bloodstone_02.jpg
Bloodstone, movie shot

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_courthouse_01.jpg
Found this in Grendrich Courthouse

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_desertteleport_01.jpg
Teleport pod in desert

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_lightningstrike_01.jpg
Just notice the rune symbol when casting spells.

http://www.gwhq.net/images/screens/research/gw_ruins_01.jpg
I found this on the archway in Ruins of Surmia mission.


We see a triangle as one of the glyphs on the tri-pillars in The Wilds zone. They also include a dragon symbole and one looks like a cross encicled.

Give me a bit to go through all these images, and osme that were submitted from the Balthazar temple and let you know what I take of it.