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Eratimus
15-02-2006, 00:47
The Ascalons Lost Trek: The Desert Revealed

Tyrian Academy of Sciences
Archaeological Department
Writtn by Eratimus Swiftarrow
eratimus@gmail.com
Researched by Eratimus Swiftarrow and Panda Amorem

The Lost Tale

As found deep within the Catacombs of Ascalon, likes a chamber of caskets. Rising high into the high arched ceiling gaze three towering statues. Statues of armored heroes paying homedge to the Heroes of Acalon. Yet, it does not stop there.

Long has it been thought that the Ascalons never ventured into the desert,a nd that perhaps their pilgramage to Arah, to seek the aid of the Gods may have gone through the mountians, until now.

Recent expeditions have found these same towering statues among the rubble of the Desert, yet no direct link has ever been made to Ascalon until this very day.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3839/twingriffons5wk.th.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=twingriffons5wk.jpg) http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7529/ascaloncolumns4em.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ascaloncolumns4em.jpg) http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1469/crystaldesertandcatacombstatue.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crystaldesertandcatacombstatue.jpg)

The expedition began as I was attemtping to uncover the origins of the Ascention Obylisks one finds through out the Desert. During my stay in Auguay rock, something struck very familiar to me. The arches depict what looks to be griffons all across the stone form one side to the other. This soon made me think, Ascalon. It has been said that the creature of Ascalon is the griffon. WE see the griffon in the suspected crest of the "Ascalon's Chosen" guild, the elite gu ild of Ascalon. The same winged lion can also be found among the Hall of Heroe's perhaps depicting their current reign over the Hall.

Although, that was not enough for me to connect the stone structures of Ascalon to the Desert, as we dont see the arch anywhere else. Then it came to me, the dark stone architecture also resembles that of Ascalon. Remembering the Columns found thorugh out Ascalon, those found at Augury were nearly the same. They seem to be made by the same people, same type of stone, and same style. But, that too was not the same.

There was one other site that I knew of in the desert that I had to check to verify a notion I had. together, Panda Amorem and I, after having resupplied at the Dunes of Dispair heading out to the north-east in search of the remnance of a stone structure in disrepair, the same location to which the fallen statue allows us to cross as a bridge.

Arriving safely, we began our exploraton. This is a place we have both ventured to a number of times, but never in such detail. What we were after were the same suspected Comumns we have seen elsewhere. The columns that once held up a stone roof conpose of two decorations, a decoration just above the base, and the other, a swiring carving at the top. To our minds these columns seened to be form the same peoples, the same architects, it seemed to be from the Ascalons. But, again, was that proof enough? Even though they seemed to be done in the same style, they just were not exactly the same. Even though Ascalon has been the only people we knew who built columns such as these.

Panda had told me of very similar columns she had see within the ruins of Rin, the old capotp; pf Ascalon. So, we picked up our packs, and head north, through the desert, through the ruins of Ascalon, and finally into what was left of the Nolani Academy. We began our trek documenting other possible finds for future writings, until we finally reached waht was left of Rin. After a good deal of exploringthe ruins, rising high aove are borken columns, the ame material, the same style, but something else, they were the EXACT same columns found in the lone stone structure in the Desert aside from the ridges in the base of the Rin column, and very similar styles to that of those found all over Ascalon and Augury Rock. We had found what we traked for, the second evidense that with our exploration, no doubt finally connects Ascalon to the Desert.

After due discussoin based on the evidense presented by the Collosus statues, very similar coumns and these same exact columns found in both Ascalon and the Crystal Desert, we have come to announce that Ascalon HAS been to the Desert. In what fashion we don ot know. It would also seem that they had alos built the arches and dark stone Columns found at Augury, and it would also seem, the Colossus we find in the desert.

We know that Doric, the first King of Ascalon, ventured to Arah, the city of the Gods to ask for help. Whether or not he ventured to the desert on this way to Arah, could this finally prove that the Ascalons did not just visit the Desert, but also built structures along their way? This may have been done on their way to Arah, or perhaps coudl they have been the thrid peopls spoekn of by Turai Ossa? We are never told the ppl were destroyed, only that they failed ascension when they had been there.

It is our scientific opinion that the Ascalons were the buildings of the ruined stone structure, Augury Columns, and Griffon Arch. As to when they were built, we do not currently know. But, some how there is a lost tale of the Ascalonians visit to the Desert.

JeanDeathwish
15-02-2006, 01:09
Nice work! As always.
May I suggest the Guild Wars? Orr, Kryta, and Ascalon were at war during the Guild Wars and we know that the quickest route for ascalon warriors to get to Orr is through the desert which, I assume, they reached through the Catacombs. Seeing as this is a long way to go they built outpost in the desert. Seems logical to me. But then I think... How powerful was ascalon during the guild wars? Since most of these "outposts" look like more than just outposts, could the crystal desert have been an expantion to the ascalon empire?

Also I doubt that on his way to Arah, Doric would build huge statues and arches. He would be more nomadic and have campfires and tents that he could take with him. But it is a possibility.

RilderView
15-02-2006, 01:19
Here is some pictures of a possible Route to the desert from Ascalon,

As you can see this spot doesn't seem to suport the mountain chain thats around that area, and it seems it might be be link to the desert.'

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1358/hmm5xo.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hmm5xo.jpg)http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9523/pass1iy.th.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pass1iy.jpg)

I've tried to make a possible expedition to the area but the only path that could bring me remotly close is a fallen bridge.

Eratimus
15-02-2006, 01:21
Perhaps like the Kyber Pass the Romans used when transversing the mountains into India.

Scott the Green
15-02-2006, 01:38
That definitely does look like a pass, good catch.

Only possible problem I can see is that it lets out in the middle of nowhere. Unless they were well-prepared for a desert trek, there's very little chance an army would survive a voyage to anywhere.

Eratimus
15-02-2006, 01:58
That definitely does look like a pass, good catch.

Only possible problem I can see is that it lets out in the middle of nowhere. Unless they were well-prepared for a desert trek, there's very little chance an army would survive a voyage to anywhere.

That is if it is just dunes there and not like the area we can access. Remember, we only see what we can access. There doe snot mean there may be other seabed or eroded parts of the desert anywhere elese. There are also Teleporters we can not access that may technically allow a way to lead up there. Considering the Dragon Lair is up there. While it is in a grain of sand, you still have to get up there some how to find it. We just odnt have an accessable path at the moment. They mah ve come when there was water, ie the Statues strecthing across streams and the stone structureso n high ground.

Asgar
15-02-2006, 02:19
Perhaps like the Kyber Pass the Romans used when transversing the mountains into India.

Pardon the correction, but I believe your reference ought to have been to the Greeks under Alexander the Great who used the Khyber Pass.

Good research on the column comparison. Thanks!

Eratimus
15-02-2006, 02:28
Pardon the correction, but I believe your reference ought to have been to the Greeks under Alexander the Great who used the Khyber Pass.

Good research on the column comparison. Thanks!

Yes, correction, Greek.

Mookle X
15-02-2006, 02:41
Once again, a great find is made by the Paleontology squad of Tyria. Good work guys. I love reading about this stuff as I make my own explorations that I am working on. Hopefully more will be found that connects the Desert to Ascalon.

Quintus Antonius
15-02-2006, 03:04
Pardon the correction, but I believe your reference ought to have been to the Greeks under Alexander the Great who used the Khyber Pass.

Good research on the column comparison. Thanks!

I agree with this theory, and I think it is the best so far you have come up with to explain the Ascalon-Desert connection. The one question I have is regarding the statues. If they were originally Ascalonian in origin, why did the Ascalonians in Ascalon only build the heads and not the whole bodies? And if they did build the whole bodies, why don't we see evidence of them?

Still, on another note, one big connection is that the Warmasters of Ascalon wear the armor of the statues, which I think is a big clue as to the statues possible Ascalonian influence.

Mookle X
15-02-2006, 03:36
I agree with this theory, and I think it is the best so far you have come up with to explain the Ascalon-Desert connection. The one question I have is regarding the statues. If they were originally Ascalonian in origin, why did the Ascalonians in Ascalon only build the heads and not the whole bodies? And if they did build the whole bodies, why don't we see evidence of them?

Still, on another note, one big connection is that the Warmasters of Ascalon wear the armor of the statues, which I think is a big clue as to the statues possible Ascalonian influence.


It is possible that back in the past, the desert was more water, and the statues could have been swept away in a storm or the Catacyism. Just a theory though.

Barinthus
15-02-2006, 04:13
Mmm can someone post pictures of warmasters and statues so we can compare?

I also have pictures of ghosts in HoH so we can compare their armour as well.

Quintus Antonius
15-02-2006, 17:11
Mmm can someone post pictures of warmasters and statues so we can compare?

I also have pictures of ghosts in HoH so we can compare their armour as well.

Good idea, cross cultural comparisons are the best way to establish historical links between two places and peoples.

teh Monkeys
15-02-2006, 19:24
Ascalon's Warmasters

http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/5273/swarmasters9vs.th.jpg (http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swarmasters9vs.jpg)

Ascalon's Captains

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3750/scaptains3vo.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scaptains3vo.jpg)

Captain Calhaan and Duke Barradin

http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/1238/calhaanbarradin1vs.th.jpg (http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=calhaanbarradin1vs.jpg)

Only armors I havn't added are those of regular infantry (males share the same armor as the warmasters) and the royal family.

I'm not sure as to which statues you mean, but if you mean the gigantic desert ones, I don't really see any resemblance.

Quintus Antonius
15-02-2006, 20:29
Ascalon's Warmasters

http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/5273/swarmasters9vs.th.jpg (http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=swarmasters9vs.jpg)

Ascalon's Captains

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3750/scaptains3vo.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scaptains3vo.jpg)

Captain Calhaan and Duke Barradin

http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/1238/calhaanbarradin1vs.th.jpg (http://img493.imageshack.us/my.php?image=calhaanbarradin1vs.jpg)

Only armors I havn't added are those of regular infantry (males share the same armor as the warmasters) and the royal family.

I'm not sure as to which statues you mean, but if you mean the gigantic desert ones, I don't really see any resemblance.

Some Warmasters, especially those outside the outposts, such as Warmaster Grast, are wearing armor similar to the Duke's armor (I believe). I could be mistaken. In case I'm getting my references wrong, I am refering to the platemail armor with the double crested helm with the crest on each side.

teh Monkeys
15-02-2006, 21:21
Some Warmasters, especially those outside the outposts, such as Warmaster Grast, are wearing armor similar to the Duke's armor (I believe). I could be mistaken.

As far as I know, there are 2 more warmasters, which I havn't listed in the picture, because these have the same armor as the other warmasters/duke barradin.

Warmaster Adriam and Warmaster Grast (he's got the same skin/armor as duke barradin, I think. I'll look into it.) and Captain Greywind, if you count him as a warmaster/commanding officer. (same skin as the other warmasters).


In case I'm getting my references wrong, I am refering to the platemail armor with the double crested helm with the crest on each side.

Uhm, don't you just mean a Knight's helm?

Quintus Antonius
15-02-2006, 21:29
Uhm, don't you just mean a Knight's helm?

I'm a mesmer, not a warrior, so I'm a bit unfamiliar with the names of the various warrior armors, sorry.

teh Monkeys
15-02-2006, 21:59
hahaha.

Well if you look at the head of the statue, it looks like a female Knight's helm. Infact, the rest of the armor also looks like knight's armor to me.

For good measure:

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/7550/statuearmor2wj.th.jpg (http://img482.imageshack.us/my.php?image=statuearmor2wj.jpg)

Take a look at the boots, gauntlets, the skirt/leggings, the shoulders.. it all matches. I think it's pretty safe to say these are the same armors. BUT, is knight's armor orginally Ascalonian:?

Quintus Antonius
15-02-2006, 22:12
hahaha.

Well if you look at the head of the statue, it looks like a female Knight's helm. Infact, the rest of the armor also looks like knight's armor to me.

For good measure:

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/7550/statuearmor2wj.th.jpg (http://img482.imageshack.us/my.php?image=statuearmor2wj.jpg)

Take a look at the boots, gauntlets, the skirt/leggings, the shoulders.. it all matches. I think it's pretty safe to say these are the same armors. BUT, is knight's armor orginally Ascalonian:?

Well, I'm not sure of that, but wherever it's originally from, that's who built the statue, you can be sure of that.

Scott the Green
15-02-2006, 22:28
The only crafters that offer knight's armour are dwarves.

Should we scour the Shiverpeaks for ancient connections between the dwarves and humans?

Quintus Antonius
15-02-2006, 22:36
The only crafters that offer knight's armour are dwarves.

Should we scour the Shiverpeaks for ancient connections between the dwarves and humans?

Actually, that's not so farfetched. Remember the Iron Mines of Moldune? It says that there was once an ancient city of unknown peoples, and one day they just disappeared and the city collapsed. No one knows what happened, yet we see their little insigna (the red cross thing) in places around the Shiverpeaks.

Hmm, I sense a new research project coming on haha.

teh Monkeys
15-02-2006, 22:37
Well, I'm quite sure the dwarves of Deldrimor and Ascalon once had an alliance of sorts. I think it's in one of the cutscenes from one of the northern shiverpeak missions, your hero says "We do what we can to honor the old alliances." (to Brechnar, I believe.) Suggesting Ascalon once had, or still has an alliance with Deldrimor.

So maybe there is a link, who knows.

Quintus Antonius
15-02-2006, 22:43
Well, I'm quite sure the dwarves of Deldrimor and Ascalon once had an alliance of sorts. I think it's in one of the cutscenes from one of the northern shiverpeak missions, your hero says "We do what we can to honor the old alliances." (to Brechnar, I believe.) Suggesting Ascalon once had, or still has an alliance with Deldrimor.

So maybe there is a link, who knows.

That may have been something as simple as a trading alliance. We know that the only way to Lion's Arch is through the Deldrimor held Northern Shiverpeaks. Also, in Pre-Searing someone mentions that you can find everything you need in Lion's Arch but that you have to travel over the mountains.

teh Monkeys
15-02-2006, 22:55
I supose, but I'd still say it's worth looking into. If I have the time tomorrow, I'll take another look at the cutscenes and hopefully I'll get some more information.

edit:


Actually, that's not so farfetched. Remember the Iron Mines of Moldune? It says that there was once an ancient city of unknown peoples, and one day they just disappeared and the city collapsed. No one knows what happened, yet we see their little insigna (the red cross thing) in places around the Shiverpeaks.

I remembered something, and took another look at the description of Iron Mines of Moladune. (started on collecting dwarven lore a few days ago)

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/391/moladune4lk.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=moladune4lk.jpg)

'Legends say that it stood for thousands of years'

Humans havn't been on Tyria for much longer than one thousand years. So I'm not sure whether Moladune was (originally) a human city or not. But then again, legends are hardly a reliable source, so thousands of years could just aswell be read as a few centuries.

Quintus Antonius
15-02-2006, 23:57
I supose, but I'd still say it's worth looking into. If I have the time tomorrow, I'll take another look at the cutscenes and hopefully I'll get some more information.

edit:



I remembered something, and took another look at the description of Iron Mines of Moladune. (started on collecting dwarven lore a few days ago)

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/391/moladune4lk.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=moladune4lk.jpg)

'Legends say that it stood for thousands of years'

Humans havn't been on Tyria for much longer than one thousand years. So I'm not sure whether Moladune was (originally) a human city or not. But then again, legends are hardly a reliable source, so thousands of years could just aswell be read as a few centuries.

Yeah, that's true, but seeing as it is the only information we have, we have to assume its correct. What about Dwarves, Avacadi (sp), Centaurs, and other races? It could be any of them if not humans.

Barinthus
16-02-2006, 00:49
mmmm I sense a need for an expedition to visit the area. I'm up for it! :D

By the way I have tons of pictures of various armour - I only need to convert them into jpeg. Will try to do so later today.

Bearan Stormstrider
16-02-2006, 01:23
Anyone considered about Moladune being a city of Seers? The first seer can be found in the caves there, and another seer (or it may be the same one) is found at the other end of the cave system in Mineral Springs. Thousands of years may fit the timeline of the Seers, and the Seers certainly had the power to create a city that would awe primitive (by comparison) neighbours.

Quintus Antonius
16-02-2006, 01:39
Anyone considered about Moladune being a city of Seers? The first seer can be found in the caves there, and another seer (or it may be the same one) is found at the other end of the cave system in Mineral Springs. Thousands of years may fit the timeline of the Seers, and the Seers certainly had the power to create a city that would awe primitive (by comparison) neighbours.

That's a very good point, actually. Thousands of years would also fit the timeline for the Seer-Mursaat war, and we know the Mursaat live in a city or cities in the Maguuma Jungle. However, there one problem is, the Seer says s/he came a long distance to help. If that was his or her city, then it doesn't make sense that s/he travelled very far.

EliteMongoose
16-02-2006, 01:46
Good observations/article. You should proofread before posting, though.

Barinthus
16-02-2006, 02:12
White Mantle Pictures

Justiciar Hablion
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/4856/justiciarhablion5bx.th.jpg (http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=justiciarhablion5bx.jpg)
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/7524/justiciarhablion20mp.th.jpg (http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=justiciarhablion20mp.jpg)

Dinas
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/4954/dinas2re.th.jpg (http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dinas2re.jpg)
http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/7567/dinas20yj.th.jpg (http://img491.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dinas20yj.jpg)

Quintus Antonius
16-02-2006, 02:13
Good observations/article. You should proofread before posting, though.

Have you seen the dribble trying to pass for language that shoots around on these forums, especially the internet slang? Many people aren't proficent with English, and some just straight up don't care. Go easy on him, because we don't know the background of anyone on the forums. English might not even be the primary language of some of us.

Barinthus
16-02-2006, 02:16
Shining Blade

The Traitor
http://img491.imageshack.us/img491/9057/shiningbladesymbol4wn.th.jpg (http://img491.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shiningbladesymbol4wn.jpg)

Evennia
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7889/evennia7jb.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evennia7jb.jpg)
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6972/evennia21fh.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=evennia21fh.jpg)

Saidra
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9305/saidra6or.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=saidra6or.jpg)

Quintus Antonius
16-02-2006, 02:19
Barinthus, I'm a bit confused as to the purpose of all these character pictures. Could you explain your reasoning to me?

Barinthus
16-02-2006, 02:22
Shining Blade

Saidra
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6561/saidra28en.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=saidra28en.jpg)

Vizier (Orrian)
http://img454.imageshack.us/img454/2501/gw8064gl.th.jpg (http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw8064gl.jpg)

Ascalons

Prince Rurik
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1909/rurik0gg.th.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rurik0gg.jpg)

King Adelbern
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8274/gw9216lj.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw9216lj.jpg)

Barinthus
16-02-2006, 02:24
Armour comparsion?

Shouldn't be restricted to just one group of people. After all those groups of people are supposedly to be related somehow, right?

I can take them down if you wish.

King Adelbern

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6395/kingadelburn7al.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kingadelburn7al.jpg)

Misc

Seer
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/3568/seer9aa.th.jpg (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seer9aa.jpg)
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5158/seer29bk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/7430/seer31ds.th.jpg (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=seer31ds.jpg)

Quintus Antonius
16-02-2006, 02:27
Armour comparsion?

Shouldn't be restricted to just one group of people. After all those groups of people are supposedly to be related somehow, right?

I can take them down if you wish.

No, no, by all means, keep them up. Armor comparison is a very valid topic. I just didn't know what you were doing. I checked the topic and all I saw was a growing number of pictures of main characters, and you didn't explain yourself, so I was a bit perplexed. Still, in the future, if you are making a comparison, may I suggest putting all the pictures on the same medium, for example paint, that way it is easier to analyze them side by side and you won't need to post a million seperate pictures; but that aside, by all means continue, I didn't mean to interrupt your point making. Thank you for clarifing.

Barinthus
16-02-2006, 02:30
I tried to figure out how to do that (putting all pictures on the same medium) with my program but I couldn't figure it out - if it's not on the canvas part, it won't be displayed. I apologize for the inconvenience :-/

Hall of Heroes Ghost (any connection to Ascalon Chosen?)

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/9040/hohghost2ea.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hohghost2ea.jpg)
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/8448/hohghost22yh.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hohghost22yh.jpg)

Balthazar Avatar

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2756/balthazaravatar4cf.th.jpg (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=balthazaravatar4cf.jpg)

Doppleganger

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6141/ascensioncloseup9pe.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ascensioncloseup9pe.jpg)

Quintus Antonius
16-02-2006, 02:33
I tried to figure out how to do that (putting all pictures on the same medium) with my program but I couldn't figure it out - if it's not on the canvas part, it won't be displayed. I apologize for the inconvenience :-/

If you are using MS Paint, simply click and drag the little squares on the corners or sides and pull them to enlarge the canvas. What program are you using, if not MS Paint, and maybe I can help. It isn't an inconvience at all, I'm sorry for making it appear that way, you have nothing to apologize for.

Barinthus
16-02-2006, 02:48
I'm using Picture It!

you know, I was thinking to myself - we need some kind of picture bank. So we don't have to clutter threads with pictures and wind up 'losing' them. Is there a way to maintain a bank? Perhaps on Eratimus' forum?

Last set - I promise. But we ought do a comphresive anaylsis of various armour, clothing, and so on. But that'd be a mountainload of work.

Ascension Area Statues

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/650/ascension28ze.th.jpg (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ascension28ze.jpg)

Tombs Statues (outside) – any connection to other armour sets? There are similar statues within Hall of Heroes as well

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4074/statuestombking4lg.th.jpg (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=statuestombking4lg.jpg)

Quintus Antonius
16-02-2006, 02:55
I'm using Picture It!

you know, I was thinking to myself - we need some kind of picture bank. So we don't have to clutter threads with pictures and wind up 'losing' them. Is there a way to maintain a bank? Perhaps on Eratimus' forum?

Last set - I promise. But we ought do a comphresive anaylsis of various armour, clothing, and so on. But that'd be a mountainload of work.

Ascension Area Statues

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/650/ascension28ze.th.jpg (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ascension28ze.jpg)

Tombs Statues (outside) any connection to other armour sets? There are similar statues within Hall of Heroes as well

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4074/statuestombking4lg.th.jpg (http://img45.imageshack.us/my.php?image=statuestombking4lg.jpg)

Photobucket has a gallery feature, and is similar to Imageshack. If we set up a joint account, we could easily organize all our images.

Barinthus
16-02-2006, 03:03
Sounds like a good idea. Limit on how many pictures? Should we have one or two moderatosr "librarians" to maintain the intergity of the bank? Meaning only those could upload and organize pictures.

Eratimus
16-02-2006, 11:48
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1469/crystaldesertandcatacombstatue.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crystaldesertandcatacombstatue.jpg)

The male figure is wearing the Knight armor, which is what The Duke wears.

The top image, which is the female, I am not sure what the armor is.

So far the only Ascalonian who wears the same armor is the Duke.

Eratimus
16-02-2006, 11:58
Yes, I personally would not have the time to upload all the images there that we get I have atleast 40 myself at imageshack that correspond directly to the Chronicles. But, if we have someone willking to keep track and catelogue the images how ever decided then that may help.

The Staff forums could have an image arcive forum. Each thread could correspond to a specific type of image set, ie one could say, Tyrian Armor, the other fcould the Statues, others could be Murals, etc etc.

Ayarie
16-02-2006, 12:10
just throwing in a question it hough of which relates to these statues who were they? ones wearing ascalon armor & the other two? they arent gods - but were they three leaders or heros Of Ascalon, Orr and Elona? from a time where they may have all helped one another before greed took over?


Naru Soulfire

teh Monkeys
16-02-2006, 15:31
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1469/crystaldesertandcatacombstatue.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crystaldesertandcatacombstatue.jpg)

The male figure is wearing the Knight armor, which is what The Duke wears.

The top image, which is the female, I am not sure what the armor is.

Knights aswell.

The crests of the female Knight's helm are pretty distinctive, and they seem to match the desert statue.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/8379/shelm7cq.th.jpg (http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shelm7cq.jpg)


So far the only Ascalonian who wears the same armor is the Duke.

Warmaster Grast also wears the shiny Knight Armor. And I'm quite sure there's another Duke with the same armor. Forgot his name, sorry.

Up till now, it seems the only people wearing these armors either have a high rank in the military, or are nobles.

Scott the Green
17-02-2006, 17:45
Warmaster Grast also wears the shiny Knight Armor. And I'm quite sure there's another Duke with the same armor. Forgot his name, sorry.
Duke Garbon I think his name is. He gives you the devourer egg quest in presearing and can be found standing with Faddon Hawthorn outside the devourer cave.

Eratimus
18-02-2006, 10:07
And so far, as n NPCs we only see Ascalons wearing the Knight ARmor, correct?

teh Monkeys
18-02-2006, 10:24
Correct.




Stupid character limit..

Mularc Templare
12-03-2006, 05:11
Sorry to but in, but I notice a little while ago (page 3 of this post I think) someone said about an alliance between the Dwarves & Humans - wouldn't it make logical sense that this could have been created during the guild wars?

The Shiverpeaks are directly between Kyrta & Ascalon, so the Dwarves could have been a "buffer" for Ascalon. I'm not sure how viable this is, but I'll see whether I can find some evidence later on today.

On another note, were told whilst travelling in the crystal desert that many peoples came to the desert seeking ascention (sp? sorry for that), so doesn't it make sense that Ascalonian people would have as well? I mean, in the game we got the long way, but it is quite possible that they may have used a similar passage to the one Rilderview suggested. It would also make sense that like all the other "peoples" who came to the desert (in fact, we find that in real life it is basically the same) left behind their structures when they failed ascention. The large statue we see standing tall from some distance away is probably not the only one, and as one of the areas says (sorry, I haven't played in a while, I'll look it up and edit later) "The dunes continually shift and change, unmasking the pat and hiding the present", so thus it is quite possible that there are more of these statues, and that only the heads and occasional foot are standing above ground at the moment.

I'm going to get on and have a look around to see whether I can find *anything* not covered in the various guides you guys have compiled. You guys make Guild Wars that little bit more "attractive" to keep playing :p

Rodrock
05-04-2006, 05:18
You gotta remember too that in the Dragon's Lair mission, in one of the facets (can't remember which) there are ascalon soldiers dead.

EDIT: That would mean those soldiers ascended but died on the facets?

Barinthus
05-04-2006, 05:54
ha ha ha ha good question!

Noroimusha
11-04-2006, 20:34
First of all I would like to congratulate you guys on a well done discovery. I do have a theory about this though...maybe the Ascalons reached the desert through other realms, and not necessarily through solid land...below is my theory:

something interesting has been found in the dragons lair. When I was fighting through the six facets, I found corpses of ascalon warriors in the darkness (necro) facet's area...HOW the hell did they get there? I have a theory that this is from the searing, where they have escaped the charr through ashford abbey, making their way through the catacombs. They couldn't return because the path was blocked. I think they battled REALLY deep into the catacombs and reached the darkness's portal to the other realm, where the darkness facet ruled, but failed to advance. Perhaps maybe they did get past that place, but with a few casualties. Or maybe this was before the Charr...just an expedition that wanted to know wat's beyond that catacombs. Maybe my whole theory is wrong...who knows!!

...Although apparently these are the soldiers who couldn't make it when Devona, the guys and their squad were trying to make it to Glint. I only found those corpses in the darkness realm though, which kinda backs up my theory about the catacombs...who knows?!!...

Ranger Nietzsche
12-04-2006, 00:38
they were in the darkness realm because that "everything is death novad" thing is rouhg, and because the other facet dragons moved them there to help with the raising of their minion army they will use to overthrow glint!

ok maybe not

Noroimusha
12-04-2006, 11:01
quote: originaly posted by teh Monkeys:

Warmaster Grast also wears the shiny Knight Armor. And I'm quite sure there's another Duke with the same armor. Forgot his name, sorry.

Up till now, it seems the only people wearing these armors either have a high rank in the military, or are nobles.



Well that would explain alot, because if you have a high rank in the military, it has probably taken you alot of time to get there. If you realise, the duke and Warmaster Grast are quite old, and it would explain that the Ascalons still used that armor at the time when they have supposedly reached the desert. Only that the duke and Warmaster Grast still use that armor...sure explains a lot to me!!

Zaxares
12-04-2006, 11:42
To those who are interested, it's Duke Barradin, Althea's father.

LordShadowblight
12-04-2006, 23:42
Just some thing to add about the knights armor of the duke. In pre we are given a quest to find the duke's supporters and that he may be the true king. This may be why he has dwarven knights armor- his family line are the ones that made the alliance with the Deldrimore dwarves so long ago.

Stardrake
13-04-2006, 04:41
Going off topic a little...

Well, they aren't really 'his' supporters - my impression was that Barradin himself wasn't interested in the crown, but the 'Royalists' thought he should have it because he was closest to the old royal family.

It was a silly idea, really - with Rurik and Althea engaged at the time, a bit of patience would have led to them getting what they wanted in a generation or two anyway if it wasn't for the Searing...

Eratimus
24-10-2006, 11:39
Just some thing to add about the knights armor of the duke. In pre we are given a quest to find the duke's supporters and that he may be the true king. This may be why he has dwarven knights armor- his family line are the ones that made the alliance with the Deldrimore dwarves so long ago.

That is indeed a good point, something we may want to look into.

Quintus Antonius
24-10-2006, 13:58
I think with the new information about Elona, this thread is on the verge of being flipped over. Instead of Ascalon going to the Desert, it may be a case of the Elonians having cultural flow with proto-Ascalon.

Docho
24-10-2006, 15:58
Instead of Ascalon going to the Desert, it may be a case of the Elonians having cultural flow with proto-Ascalon.

Since no one seems to have talked about it after the WPE, did anyone notice that the ruins found in Istan are identical to the ruins found in pre-searing ascalon?

Exemple ruins in Istan:

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/9994/gw052by1.th.jpg (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw052by1.jpg)
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8880/gw053zz5.th.jpg (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw053zz5.jpg)

Quintus Antonius
24-10-2006, 16:27
Good find, I never noticed that. It looks rather like the ruined church in the Catacombs.

I've long suspected that the Catacombs are a sunken city, perhaps Elonian? If we assume (this is by no means factual, so just humor me) that humans originated in Elona, as it is most like Africa where humans are thought to have emerged on Earth, then it makes sense that over time, cultural flow reached Ascalon where the Catacombic city was built. This would explain the statues in the Desert, and in the Catacombs, and also connects Elona to the Crystal Desert to Ascalon.

However, as I said, this is by no means factual, it is just a musing.

Santax
24-10-2006, 21:17
Yes... I noticed the corpses of Ascalon Warrior in the Facet of Death's part of the Dragon's Lair, and thought it could be no coincidence.

Quintus Antonius
24-10-2006, 21:20
Those are the corpses of the people who were travelling with Devona and co. That's been established long ago.

Quintus Antonius
09-11-2006, 02:35
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/471/gw071yk2.th.png (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw071yk2.png)

Eratimus, I found something which more or less proves the aspect of your theory that the Ascalonians were in fact in the Desert and beyond at some point in the past.

Barinthus
09-11-2006, 07:40
do share! (if u posted a pic, i can't see it so will need a direct link)

Gmr Leon
09-11-2006, 12:10
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw071yk2.png

That aside, I'm wondering just how he managed to get...wherever that is. Mind telling us where he was?

Quintus Antonius
09-11-2006, 13:21
He was right by the entrance to the Lair of the Forgotten.

Barinthus
09-11-2006, 16:32
was he a ghost? i fail to see how this prove ascalonians (as in civilization) were in the desert. i can imagine someone with his occupation would be willing to travel all over the planet

Quintus Antonius
09-11-2006, 17:11
Yes he was a ghost. Which means he had been dead for sometime, as most, if not all the ghosts, are from the same time period. There are also Ascension Pilgrims who are wearing Ascalonian armor.

Gmr Leon
09-11-2006, 21:20
Yes he was a ghost. Which means he had been dead for sometime, as most, if not all the ghosts, are from the same time period. There are also Ascension Pilgrims who are wearing Ascalonian armor.

The thing is though they seem to like just using the old ghost's models. Ascalonian ghosts are at the Gates of Desolation alongside Krytan ghosts. Personally, I think they should take some time and make a new model for the ghosts..

That aside, we don't know how the Elonians knew of Nolani academy in Ascalon, I would guess that this man is part of how they learned of it's existence.

Quintus Antonius
09-11-2006, 23:07
Nolani is described as world-famous though. So we can't say for certain who did or didn't know about it.

Eratimus
15-11-2006, 11:56
As these are old findings, please refer to
Ascalons in the Desert: Revisited for the updated details.

Pedo Bear
15-11-2006, 12:37
Don't think it's too far-fetched to think that the ascalon people made it through the desert to the desolation at least, as giant statue of the female in knight's armor is visible from the northernmost part of elona. Not too far of a journey...Though I doubt they could have made it to Vabbi or Kourna unless they went by sea...

Quintus Antonius
15-11-2006, 13:37
They could have gone by sea and still been in the Desert. Remember, it used to be one.