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Endrick
04-03-2006, 17:47
I found these map parts from Factions on gw.onlinewelten.com (http://gw.onlinewelten.com)

http://gw.onlinewelten.com/images/imagedb/image.php?folder=&image_id=90
http://gw.onlinewelten.com/images/imagedb/image.php?folder=&image_id=91

We can merge the two screens to get a bigger map. The VERY interesting thing is that the river's shape in the upper-left side of the map is just the same as the one on the Factions preorder ad on the official website http://www.guildwars.com. I was wondering if it was Cantha's map, now I know it is. So we can copy/pastle the two and we see where this map is located.

Now we can see that the upper part of the map would fit well if we connect it to the south of Kryta, just like pieces in a big puzzle.

I can't prove it but I am pretty sure that the continent of Cantha is directly connected to Kryta.

Here is the map I get when we connect everything :

http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/3216/krytacantha7pv.th.jpg (http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=krytacantha7pv.jpg)

Mookle X
04-03-2006, 17:53
This is interesting, if it is connected to Kryta though, wouldn't you also be able to walk there instead of take a boat? I don't think that it is connected to Kryta, but it is a seperate landmass itself. But your theory is interesting.

Captain Roberts
04-03-2006, 17:54
cantha is on a comlpetly diffrent continent...

Skrir
04-03-2006, 18:03
Nice find! And nice theory. I can see what you mean, and I don't see the problem of them being connected. A walk there would mean a trek through the desert. Don't think anyone wants that:tongue:

Endrick
04-03-2006, 18:09
Well, Europa and Asia are 2 different continent, but they are still strongly connected ^^.

But I think you are right, it is not plausible that the two chapters would be so close.

Do we know if Cantha is located South-West, South or South-East from Tyria ?

shadow the hero
04-03-2006, 18:19
south, and i love your avatar endrick ^^

Endrick
04-03-2006, 18:34
south, and i love your avatar endrick ^^

Thanks :grin: I love yours too ^^

So if Cantha is South of Kryta, we can noctice there is a large amount of land in the south of Kryta, and a large amount of land in the North of Cantha. Even if the two continents are really distant, there is still a possibility of connection between the two.

But anyway we maybe won't be able to see what lies between the two. I really hope we will have a global view of the world this time.

firetail
04-03-2006, 18:38
Whats up with the "back" and "Next" buttons on the map :shocked:

Endrick
04-03-2006, 18:53
really good question :huh: maybe for going to the next/previous outpost/territory/map

Zion Farbow
04-03-2006, 19:11
Nice Find i didnt even noticed hehe

anyways isnt cantha islands? it looks more aof a continent of itself and connects to the desert..i think o_o

Endrick
04-03-2006, 19:21
Yes, I bet it is. From the outpost names, it shall be the Petrified forest and the Jade sea.

Maybe it is a huge island ?

Miss Ironwire
04-03-2006, 19:33
The woman trader from Cantha in Lion's Arch clearly says that you have to cross rough seas to get to Cantha. She also says it's past the Desert and past the Ring of Fire Island Chain.

firetail
04-03-2006, 19:46
Other observation: I can see that the gray shade means kuzrik, and the green swirl means luxon (guess) but whats up with the backround of the Jade Quarry Marker?
Could it mean that that part is undergoing a faction war or something?

Endrick
04-03-2006, 20:02
Other observation: I can see that the gray shade means kuzrik, and the green swirl means luxon (guess) but whats up with the backround of the Jade Quarry Marker?
Could it mean that that part is undergoing a faction war or something?

We can clearly see the frontier between the Kurzicks and the Luxons. The Jade Quarry you are talking about belongs to the Kurzicks, so this is a small Kurzick territory into the Luxon area. That's why we see a Luxon frontier surronding it. But I don't know what happen in that case...


The woman trader from Cantha in Lion's Arch clearly says that you have to cross rough seas to get to Cantha. She also says it's past the Desert and past the Ring of Fire Island Chain.

Between Kryta and Cantha (if such link exists) lies the desert and high mountains. There is no road, so the only way is the sea. If you had to go past the Ring of Fire to the South-West, why did she tell us about the desert ?

shadow the hero
04-03-2006, 20:09
Originally Posted by firetail
Other observation: I can see that the gray shade means kuzrik, and the green swirl means luxon (guess) but whats up with the backround of the Jade Quarry Marker?
Could it mean that that part is undergoing a faction war or something?

readed someplace that cities close to the frontline is the only that is able to fight for control over. so maybe those cities will have the color of they faction behind them if they are able to take over

yeah maybe you are right it is a faction war that is happing there

Quintus Antonius
04-03-2006, 20:12
Great find. I agree that it is possible that the Tyrian and Canthan continents connect, similar to Asia and Europe, but I'm not sure where they connect, or the extent of their connection. I personally believe they are seperated by a body of water, though. Still, we will find out soon enough, and I, for one, look forward to a whole new world of Lore to explore.

On an unrelated (ish) note, shouldn't this topic be in the Lore Forum as it pertains to the connections between cultures, lands, and peoples of the world of Guild Wars? When I originally read it, I figured it was in the Lore Forum, until I saw CDF at the top.

Endrick
04-03-2006, 20:24
On an unrelated (ish) note, shouldn't this topic be in the Lore Forum as it pertains to the connections between cultures, lands, and peoples of the world of Guild Wars? When I originally read it, I figured it was in the Lore Forum, until I saw CDF at the top.

Yes, I think it should. I was not sure and saw there was a lot about Factions in the CDF. Feel free to move it if someone can.

MixedVariety
04-03-2006, 20:53
Interesting find, indeed. I'll move it over to the Lore forum.

BlackCompanyFan
04-03-2006, 23:24
Re. the possible connection to the Tyrian landmass, just because someone says you have to sail to get from one place to another does not mean they cannot be physically connected over land. Until approximately 150 years ago, the quickest way between any two ports in our world was by ship. It was only the arrival of the railroad that changed this.

So if Tyria and Cantha are separated by a desert, and maybe a mountain chain on top of that, it makes perfect sense for someone to say that you have take ship to get from (say) Lion's Arch to Cantha.

flexiboy
04-03-2006, 23:29
they also may be connected but not able to run to (such as its not possible to run to dragons lair mission, but no sea there) so i like this idea

EliteMongoose
05-03-2006, 01:49
Interesting. Good observation.

Смерть
05-03-2006, 01:59
Really cool idea. I would agree from the evidence thus far that the two are connected. You have to finish up the first map somehow. Good job :grin:

Eratimus
05-03-2006, 02:40
I would expect it to be a seperate cotinent and super mass south of the Fire Isle and Crystal Desert. meaning it is not connected to the Tyria continent by land, but is its own supermass/island continent like Austrailia

Pariah
05-03-2006, 03:28
Cool find.

on a side note - How friggin' big is that monitor? I'm really jealous.:shocked:

Arkhan The Black
05-03-2006, 04:27
Yeah that makes sense.

There wont be a path through the desert because no human in the right mind would walk instead of sailing.

Stardrake
05-03-2006, 09:55
Yeah that makes sense.

There wont be a path through the desert because no human in the right mind would walk instead of sailing.

Ah, but we're adventurers and explorers. We aren't in what normal people would call 'the right mind'. :wink:

Lazarus Dio
05-03-2006, 17:46
Cool find.

on a side note - How friggin' big is that monitor? I'm really jealous.:shocked:


I wish I could afford equipment like that!:starry:


As for the issue at hand...
What about the Jade Sea? How does this play into things? Is it an inland sea or does it just fade out to open waters at some point? I ask these questions because if it was very close to lands on our map shouldn't we see evidence of it? I don't think that this necessarily means the continents are not connected, but it is something that needs resolving.

Endrick
05-03-2006, 21:55
I wish I could afford equipment like that!:starry:

Sorry to break a myth, but I am working on my laptop ^^ (resolution 1400 * 1050). And a bit of the Photoshop magic :wink: .

For the Jade sea, I think it should be an inland sea. If it is not, it will be a frontier between the normal and the Jade sea that would be hard to represent. And I have not seen such a thing in the videos nor in the printscreens. The tide of the real sea would cover the Jade sea with water, filling the Jade quarries.

Galen Ubal
05-03-2006, 23:23
Looks like the Jade Sea is inland - off to the east of the Canthan territory. Look at this: http://gw.onlinewelten.com/images/imagedb/image.php?folder=&image_id=90
South of Breaker Hollow are two spots on the map - one is "The Jade Qu..." and then further south is "The Jade Quarry" with "(Kurzick" below it.
That's my read of the map, anyway.

nkuvu
06-03-2006, 00:21
Re. the possible connection to the Tyrian landmass, just because someone says you have to sail to get from one place to another does not mean they cannot be physically connected over land. Until approximately 150 years ago, the quickest way between any two ports in our world was by ship. It was only the arrival of the railroad that changed this.

So if Tyria and Cantha are separated by a desert, and maybe a mountain chain on top of that, it makes perfect sense for someone to say that you have take ship to get from (say) Lion's Arch to Cantha.
In addition to obstacles presented by the landscape (mountains, cliffs, etc) there's also a strong possibility that the area is infested with a whole bunch of nasty critters. The Crystal Desert, for example, has some high level pug uglies.

So travel by ship may skip all of that infested area, meaning that it may be possible to travel over land, but certainly not easy.

Смерть
06-03-2006, 01:08
http://gw.onlinewelten.com/images/imagedb/image.php?folder=&image_id=90
Would be neat if the "Great Line dividing Factions" was a real wall in-game.

As far as the impossible to pass terrain between these to "connected continents". I would love to see Anet open it up without any "official" paths to follow. To be a place for high level charactors to just kill stuff.

Endrick
06-03-2006, 07:51
Would be neat if the "Great Line dividing Factions" was a real wall in-game.


I don't think it will be a wall, cause this is a moving line that is redrawn every 24 hours. But maybe it could be some sort of magical wall.

The thing I do not understand, is why some outposts are present twice. Look at "Fort Aspenwood" and "The Jade Quarry". There is one belonging to the Kurzicks and one to the Luxons, but these are basically the same outpost... So what does it mean ?

Scott the Green
06-03-2006, 22:13
The thing I do not understand, is why some outposts are present twice. Look at "Fort Aspenwood" and "The Jade Quarry". There is one belonging to the Kurzicks and one to the Luxons, but these are basically the same outpost... So what does it mean ?
Maybe those are split zones, with one faction controlling a part of it, or maybe neutral zones that are accessible by both factions.

teh Monkeys
06-03-2006, 22:56
Maybe a battle is going on for that outpost. :/

Quintus Antonius
07-03-2006, 01:03
http://gw.onlinewelten.com/images/imagedb/image.php?folder=&image_id=90
Would be neat if the "Great Line dividing Factions" was a real wall in-game.

As far as the impossible to pass terrain between these to "connected continents". I would love to see Anet open it up without any "official" paths to follow. To be a place for high level charactors to just kill stuff.

Well, it is based on Asia, so perhaps the "Great Line" is something like the Great Wall of China, or the Great Northern Wall of Ascalon. That wouldn't surprise me in the least.

As suggested before, I'd agree with the theory that sailing is fastest. There are many terrain difficulties between Asia and Europe, and if Cantha and Tyria are joined, its likely the same exists. Plus, a sailing ship can move much faster than a caravan.

Arkhan The Black
07-03-2006, 03:32
And let’s not forget that there is no point having a caravan in the Crystal Desert since it is a hostile territory with almost any living people to trade with because Orr is no more and Ascalon is infested with Charr’s.

The only way to make a profit in the current age is by sailing.

Смерть
16-03-2006, 06:50
I am still interested in Endrick's hypothesis that the maps are indeed connected.

Map 1 - Connected Cantha and Kryta:


Here is the map I get when we connect everything:
http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/3216/krytacantha7pv.th.jpg (http://img419.imageshack.us/my.php?image=krytacantha7pv.jpg)

Map 2 - Full Cantha.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5830/c7is.jpg

What differences do we get in viewing the map in full?

In the light of the new map, the portion used in Enderick's example covered the Southern part of Cantha. This area is shown in the above map with a green circle. (I am not saying anything bad on Enderick. Just showing the differences between the maps that Anet has let loose over time.)

I find it interesting that the connection at the Northeast is still possible with the new map. It could have cut off into a continent trapped in one screen, but continues off of the map. The only difference between the old map to the new is that the newer map connects to Kryta with a bigger landmass. A bigger connection in this sense makes the idea even more plausible.

Map 3 - Full Cantha and Kryta Joined.
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8544/full4zu.th.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=full4zu.jpg)

Looking at the new mountain ranges shown Northeast on the new Cantha map. We see that the mountain ranges are pushing to the East. If we look at the mountain ranges Southeast of the Krytan map we see them pushing west. Could there possibly be an earthquake fault that follows North from the Canthian mountains into the left side of the desert mountains in Kryta? If so, I would suppose it joins up with the moutain chain bordering Ascalon and the Shiverpeaks. This is all still a hypothesis that Cantha and Kryta actually are a connected landmass.

Map 4 - Earthquake fault? (Just me guessing. And there are more in Tyria that you could hook up.) Heh, that is a ridiculously large fault, lol. Or maybe a connection of smaller moutain chains would serve best to explain it.

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2882/more8ri.jpg

One way to solve this question would be to look into the archives of Guild Wars lore, especially around the Southwestern portion of the desert lands in Kryta. Is there any lore that gives mention to Cantha? To rivers or other geographical landmarks of Northern Cantha? I am just throwing out some ideas.

~CMEPTb
(Even if this is all not true, and the Devs come out (or have ;p) and say they are not connected. I had fun anyway, and my period of boredom is now past :wink: .

Further reference:
Link to Cantha map large:
http://img466.imageshack.us/my.php?image=map0mz.jpg

Смерть
16-03-2006, 07:53
I meant the green circle on the Cantha map to be up more in the middle of the screen. Not the "South South" of Cantha. I should post during the day, ;p. Thnx.

Quintus Antonius
16-03-2006, 12:21
Good work CMEPTb, I found your research most interesting.

Смерть
17-03-2006, 17:58
Jeff Strain - Guild Wars Factions takes place in Cantha, an Asian-inspired three-nation continent far to the south of the lands of Tyria, the setting for the original Guild Wars campaign. Players who own both Guild Wars Factions and Guild Wars can travel between the two continents by boat.

Gamecloud.com
http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=3969

So Cantha is South of Tyria (probably been said before, but I have not heard it). And yet again the boat is mentioned (The desert pass too dangerous to pass?).

Malhavoc Adhamar
17-03-2006, 18:03
Or it's just easier and quick to travel by boat. Also looking at these maps suggest that there is also another land to the west of both Tyria and Cantha, which could mean that the sea we see on the maps is infact an inland sea. I guess we wont know if this is the case until a later chapter that explores the west.

Quintus Antonius
17-03-2006, 18:07
Gamecloud.com
http://www.gamecloud.com/article.php?article_id=3969

So Cantha is South of Tyria (probably been said before, but I have not heard it). And yet again the boat is mentioned (The desert pass too dangerous to pass?).

Also keep in mind the implications of travelling through a desert. You need supplies, a large herd of beasts of burden, people to protect supplies and goods, you have to survive harsh conditions, and there is the possibility of getting lost.

Travelling by sea cuts back on a lot of this, and because of currents and winds, travelling by sea is faster. If you are going to trade, in an era before trucks, planes, and trains, you are going to do it by boat. It makes more sense.

Sounds Risky
17-03-2006, 19:28
That isn't the full map.

Cantha (http://www3.telus.net/page13/backstage/100_0370.jpg).

billybobbob
17-03-2006, 19:44
That isn't the full map.

Cantha (http://www3.telus.net/page13/backstage/100_0370.jpg).

why has it got a date stamp of 01/01/2004 :shocked:

nkuvu
17-03-2006, 20:07
why has it got a date stamp of 01/01/2004 :shocked:
That pic is from the backstage event, I think, and one of the members here posted about it. I'll dig up a link.... Added: Thread is here (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=389036), specific post is here (http://forums.gwonline.net/showpost.php?p=3959068&postcount=49).

But the short answer is that the camera batteries fell out, and the person taking the pics never bothered to reset the date.

Endrick
17-03-2006, 21:00
ok, I guess we have an answer now. For the best or the worst, it is not connected. Really cool to have the full map now, it clarify a lot of things, thanks !

Quintus Antonius
17-03-2006, 21:38
Ah, so the Jade Sea is an inland sea. Interesting.

Yeah, that map looks very exciting. I can't wait to explore it.

Смерть
17-03-2006, 23:10
That isn't the full map.

Cantha (http://www3.telus.net/page13/backstage/100_0370.jpg).

Kk ^^. Cantha is not connected by the North if connected at all. Should have double checked the other pictures ;p. Thnx for the correction.

Endrick
17-03-2006, 23:23
Ah, so the Jade Sea is an inland sea. Interesting.

At least on that point I was right :grin:

I'm very impressed by the scale of the citie(s) what covers almost 1/3 of the map :shocked: with 8 missions in this environment.

And something very exciting ! If you notice well, there are 2 missions ... in the sea (not the jade sea, the normal one, look at the left up corner). I will be either on boats, or ... under the sea, with all the marine monsters that could live there :grin: (remember the giant bones in the crystal desert) !

EDIT:

Do we have another thread for the discussions about the new map ?

gotikplage
18-03-2006, 14:20
Hey, the desert is part of Tyria, but we have to take a boat to it... what is up with that!?

Eurasia is a good (real life) example of why this is possible.
Europeans would use boats for trade with Asian nations, despite being connected to them by land.

I can see that this theory is pretty possible (note, I did not say true). Supported by real-life examples.

There is a better picture of the Canthan continent by people who were at the backstage event. We can try merging that. (Nevermind...somebody beat me to that. I didn't realize that the map parts were different, but at least it is still possible.)

terakhan
18-03-2006, 19:46
What is with the three colors of dots on that map? I figure the gold ones are the main cities centers, like Ascalon and LA. But there are white ones and silver ones too. Provided the white are the mission dots like now, that means unless the silver are a different kind of mission, there are only 14 to our current 21.

JeanDeathwish
18-03-2006, 20:26
What is with the three colors of dots on that map? I figure the gold ones are the main cities centers, like Ascalon and LA. But there are white ones and silver ones too. Provided the white are the mission dots like now, that means unless the silver are a different kind of mission, there are only 14 to our current 21.

The silver dots are missions. If you look at our current map the silver dots glow white to silver if they havent been completed yet. I counted 26 missions to our 24. Those two missions in the top left corner look very odd to me...

Arctus Redryn
18-03-2006, 23:07
The silver dots are missions. If you look at our current map the silver dots glow white to silver if they havent been completed yet. I counted 26 missions to our 24. Those two missions in the top left corner look very odd to me...

Not necessarily. I was looking at this yesterday, and I have both Ice Caves of Sorrow and Iron Mines of Moladune complete with bonus, yet ye will notice the Iron Mines is much brighter.

And I counted 26 mission areas as well...those two in the corner...sea battles? :shocked: