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Ranger Nietzsche
13-03-2006, 11:50
We know a few things about Giant's Basin, and all of them are strange. It is a saltwater lake. Krytans fish in it. It is located directly north of Divinity Coast, Beetletun, and Lion's Arch.

It is also impossible for the above to be true. There is no single body of water that is directly north of all three locations. Conclusion: there are two bodies of water with the same name.

Why? And how do both of those large bodies end up being salt water anyway? Last I checked it is rare for a lake to be salty, and in most cases it is due to a lack of river outlet (eg Dead Sea). Now there is no visible outlet for these two lakes, and it is obvious by the proximity of the shiverpeaks to one and and th e northern mountain range to the other that the respective ranges are their sources (which is how lakes form on earth). Yet being farther north (which in Tyria seems to indicate higher elevation NB Ascalon being the "High Planes" settlement) and their proximity to mountain ranges indicates it is strange that they would not have large rivers flowing from them to the sea. There must be two(three) extremely large holes in the ground. Perhaps they really were created by giants, or glacier activity. But glaciers rarely leave such large area lakes.

Now there are some other odd things about the water table of kryta. Like the multitude of large rivers that can only be coming from a massive ground water supply, as they flow from no mountains or lakes. One of the rivers even flows into a basin, indicating that though it is much farther from the mountains than the basin, it is at a higher elevation. What is the source of this water? Simple precipitation? or a possible connection to the giant's basin(s)? There is also third similar body far to the west, north of the jungle, is it salty as well?

Here are the screenshots associated with my ramblings:

The Giant's Basin north of Divinity and Beetletun as named by the beetletun description
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9724/beetletun5gk.th.png (http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beetletun5gk.png)

The Giant's Basin North of Lions Arch as named by a sign in DKNP
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8420/giantsbasinindknp3ex.th.png (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantsbasinindknp3ex.png)

The unsourced rivers south of the East basin
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5701/riversindknp8lb.th.png (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=riversindknp8lb.png)

the unsourced rivers south of west basin
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9789/westrivers4jr.th.png (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=westrivers4jr.png)

And yes i suppose that people fish in them is not strange

edit: the screen shot required to prove the two bodies are separate would be too large, and its easy enough to see on the world map.

Quintus Antonius
13-03-2006, 12:16
Hmm...I think the Giant's Basin is just the one body of water. It appears like you are overcomplicating it...

Ranger Nietzsche
13-03-2006, 14:41
Which one are you referring to? The east one or the west one? Like the original post said... BOTH bodies of water are referred to as the Giant's Basin by both NPCs and Road Signs.

Here is an overworld map with the locations of the signs i found
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6862/overmapofbasins5ql.th.png (http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=overmapofbasins5ql.png)

Quintus Antonius
13-03-2006, 17:15
It may be possible that the ithmas of land between the two is some kind of floodplane or at one time connected the two. Remember the area by the Gates of Kryta where all those ships are wrecked? Some are rather high up, suggesting that the water level was at one time pretty high. At a time like this, it is likely there was also a connecting body of water, such as a wide river, connecting the two bodies of water we see.



ba·sin ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bsn)
n.

An open, shallow, usually round container used especially for holding liquids.
The amount that such a vessel can hold.
A washbowl; a sink.

An artificially enclosed area of a river or harbor designed so that the water level remains unaffected by tidal changes.
A small enclosed or partly enclosed body of water.
A region drained by a single river system: the Amazon basin.
Geology.
A broad tract of land in which the rock strata are tilted toward a common center.
A large, bowl-shaped depression in the surface of the land or ocean floor.


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[Middle English, from Old French bacin, from Vulgar Latin *baccnum, from *baccus, container, of Celtic origin.]

It is also possible that the "Giant's Basin" refers to the entire area that contains the two bodies of water because they are both fed by the same river, possibly flowing from the Shiverpeaks or from some other source in the north. The whole region might just be known as the Giant's Basin.

Arctus Redryn
13-03-2006, 18:15
It may be possible that the ithmas of land between the two is some kind of floodplane or at one time connected the two. Remember the area by the Gates of Kryta where all those ships are wrecked? Some are rather high up, suggesting that the water level was at one time pretty high. At a time like this, it is likely there was also a connecting body of water, such as a wide river, connecting the two bodies of water we see.



It is also possible that the "Giant's Basin" refers to the entire area that contains the two bodies of water because they are both fed by the same river, possibly flowing from the Shiverpeaks or from some other source in the north. The whole region might just be known as the Giant's Basin.

Very logical...what I want to know is what the northern threat is, but that is being discussed in another thread, I think.

Ranger Nietzsche
14-03-2006, 00:31
mmm both being connected would indicate taht at one point a large majority of western kryta was submereged, and the basins were connected to the sea of sorrows, perhaps this is similar to the previous flooding of the crystal desert. might the two be connected?

also i dont think the local NPCs are referring to the region because they refer to "the large saltwater lake known as the giant's basin" indicating they mean the body of water rather than the flood plane.

but good point nonetheless

i always assumed the northern threat was charr, but that was w/o great speculation on it

Quintus Antonius
14-03-2006, 01:05
Are you positive those signs are pointing due north to the smaller body of water, and not angled towards the other one?

The signs have a circle with an arrow sticking off of part of it. The thing in question is in the direction of the arrow, so just because a sign is next to something, doesn't necessarily mean it is indictating that something.

I really don't think both of those lakes are known as the Giant's Basin...

Ranger Nietzsche
14-03-2006, 20:14
the second pic i listed in the first post is me standing facing in the direction of the arrow...the body of water in the overmap next to me is the southeren part of the smaller body of water, to the east.

i plan on doing more investigations today though

[edit] The results of my signage search

Location of every sign saying "Giant's Basin" in Northern Kryta Province:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9915/signstothebasin8xf.th.png (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=signstothebasin8xf.png)

A picture of the west most sign on the map

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8639/westsigntobasin7rk.th.png (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=westsigntobasin7rk.png)


Now, most of the signs in game are like sign in the real world, they point to roads that take you places, rather than the places themselves. This is why I have traced the path of the roads the signs point to. These roads all lead to the Eastern body of water. The western most sign is the most conclusive, as it points nearly Due East, directly away from the larger, Western body of water that is north of Beetletun and Divinity Coast. In addition, it also points away from the road that would take one to Nebo Terrace, which would be the next area encountered on a journey from NKP to the Western, Larger Basin.

I believe this evidence is conclusive that both bodies of water share the same name.

Quintus Antonius
14-03-2006, 21:53
the second pic i listed in the first post is me standing facing in the direction of the arrow...the body of water in the overmap next to me is the southeren part of the smaller body of water, to the east.

i plan on doing more investigations today though

[edit] The results of my signage search

Location of every sign saying "Giant's Basin" in Northern Kryta Province:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9915/signstothebasin8xf.th.png (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=signstothebasin8xf.png)

A picture of the west most sign on the map

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8639/westsigntobasin7rk.th.png (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=westsigntobasin7rk.png)


Now, most of the signs in game are like sign in the real world, they point to roads that take you places, rather than the places themselves. This is why I have traced the path of the roads the signs point to. These roads all lead to the Eastern body of water. The western most sign is the most conclusive, as it points nearly Due East, directly away from the larger, Western body of water that is north of Beetletun and Divinity Coast. In addition, it also points away from the road that would take one to Nebo Terrace, which would be the next area encountered on a journey from NKP to the Western, Larger Basin.

I believe this evidence is conclusive that both bodies of water share the same name.

First off, I'd like to say, good research. The maps are very clear, and very accurate, good job.

Second, if what you are saying is true, doesn't that mean the eastern body of water is the Giant's Basin? From what you've said and what I've seen, nothing seems to point to the western body at all. Maybe I'm mistaken, and if this is the case, please point it out to me so I can get my thinking straight.

Finally, the eastern body would make the most sense in terms of being a salt water body, as it is near to a rich mineral source (the Shiverpeaks) and would most likely have the greatest chance of eroding minerals to create the salt that would delude the water.

Barinthus
15-03-2006, 05:21
ranger - good job. Can you do the same for western body as Quintus requested?

If there are signs saying 'Giant Basin' pointing to western body as well, I'd suppose the definition of basin as a region is the one used here.

Serena Corvidae
15-03-2006, 07:39
The The History of Tyria (http://www.guildwars.com/theworld/story/historytyria.php) page on the Guild Wars site says that the Giant's Basin is on the Northern Coast of Kryta, it might be easier to see on this map of Tyria:

http://www.guildwars.com/images/spotimages/map.jpg

This would seem to suggest that the Northern body of water is the Giant's Basin...

Ranger Nietzsche
15-03-2006, 21:25
I travelled to teh watchtower coast north of beetletun in search of road signs. While I was unsuccessful I did manage to find one or two interesting structures there, those are posted in the new thread about the "unknown threat"

The only evidence now supporting the Western body of waters name is the town descriptions of Divinity Coast and Beetletun and the previous post

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/4420/towndescriptions4es.th.png (http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=towndescriptions4es.png)

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/7443/overmapofbasins7fa.th.png (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=overmapofbasins7fa.png)

based on the descriptions and where the towns are in teh map tho, I cannot conceive how they could be referring to the Eastern body of water, but taht might be my bias showing through

Quintus Antonius
15-03-2006, 21:59
Well, until further notice, let's define the two bodies of water as the Lesser Basin and the Greater Basin, the Greater being in the west, and the Lesser being in the East.

I am still more inclined to believe the whole region is known as the Giant's Basin. I was looking at the ithmas between them, and I'm almost convinced it was once under water, or something like that.

Also, check the symantics used. There is a difference between "Giant Basin", "Giant's Basin", and "Giants' Basin". They may have pulled something sneaky like that...

Ranger Nietzsche
16-03-2006, 08:22
Good poitn on the semantics, because I noticed one thing.

in game, all the references use the phrase "Giant's Basin" occasionally as "the Giant's Basin" , however as teh "the" is not capitalized I take it as separate from the name. But on the official lore site it says "from the far eastern reaches of the Crystal Desert to the Giants' Basin on the northern coast of Kryta" Note the differ in teh placement of the apostrophes, as quintus suggested. Perhaps this is a typo, but this doesnt resolve the issues as:

pluralizing the title "Giant's Basin" is difficult, as two logical options are available, both "Giant's Basins" and "Giants' Basins" would be correct w/o knowledge of the possessive of the giant. Are both basins possessed by teh one giant or are they separate. im not a linguist so I dont know the proper English default, but "Giants' Basis" makes sense to me, pluralizing both parts of the phrase.

Thus the lore could be a typo in two ways, it might have been intended as "Giant's basin" or as "Giants' Basins" or it coudl not be a typo at all, and then im just confused heh.

Mularc Templare
24-04-2006, 12:52
Jabbing in, as usual.

In one of your posts, your reference Bettleton's description as helping define the location of the Giant's Basin strikes me as detremental to your case (not trying to put you down or anything, I hadn't though of the possiblity of the Giant's Basin being more then on lake). I say this mainly because it references the Watchtowers. I have explored all along the region, and to me, the watchtowers end near the settlement - they "watch" over the larger, western lake.

As for the Threat across it, it could have been the Charr (although this to me shows ignorance on the Kyrtan's point - those towers are high enough you could see the Charr from across the Basin, and you would probably put seige weapons all along that coast and fire away - single day victory :P) but I think that it is more likely that it is the Titans - we have seen that the Charr worship them, and to get such detail as seen in the effigies would require to see them close. The Titans, as far as we know, are extremely ancient, at least back to before the Exodus (their "prison" is behind where the bloodstones would have once sat) this to me would indicate great threat - that you'd want to remove ASAP.

Mularc

Ranger Nietzsche
25-04-2006, 06:32
Well I have to defend my thesis:

There are strong indications for each body of water being The Giant's Basin. While the descriptions of Divinity Coast and Beetletun are very conclusively referring to the Western body of water, one simply CAN'T deny the evidence of the signs in Northern Kryta Province: which I will again post for peer review
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9915/signstothebasin8xf.png

every one of those signs says simply To The Giant's Basin

And on the world map, that is the smaller, Eastern Body of water. To the right. Near the shiverpeaks.

auserator
14-12-2007, 22:07
I think that the Giant's Basin issue becomes a little bit more clear with the Rise of the White Mantle (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Rise_of_the_White_Mantle) mission in the bonus pack. During the mission (and on this map (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Image:The_Rise_of_the_White_Mantle_map.jpg)) which takes place between both Basins you can see that they are both linked by multiple rivers. So it's quite possible that's they share a common salt water basin system and the 'Gaint's Basin' name.

:)

aus

Duke Drake
03-04-2008, 18:33
In Beetlesrun it talks about a Stone Guard waiting for his enemies across the Great Basin I know this is'nt the subject about the two Basins having the same name it's just if Kryta have been around for some time now that Stone Guard may have been talking about the Ancient Mummies within the Vioxen Excavation. There must have been people who occupied Tarnished Coast the North and South this is the only theory to what I think that Stone Guard may have been talking about. Or it may have just been the Norns but I have weak evidencse to prove this. So my theory is that there was anthour Ancient Kingdom in the Tanished Coast. I just wanted to point this out because it is mentioned in this topic:undecided:

Gmr Leon
03-04-2008, 22:45
Actually, that's just a description of the towers on Watchtower Coast. There aren't any actual stone soldiers.

Duke Drake
05-04-2008, 03:30
O Very Sorry about that must of miss read it

mooed
22-10-2008, 01:44
I have to agree with the theory that "Giant's Basin" (or whatever it's called) is probably the region of both lakes and the land between the two lakes.

Here's a Wikipedia article on "Basin":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_basin

Basins, as you will see, cover a lot of land. However, they are usually not entirely filled with water. They are emptied.

Thus, it strikes me as odd that a great body of saltwater would be called a "basin."

Maybe there was a few mistakes done on the part of the game designers.

Here's the Encarta Dictionary definition for "Basin":
A broad area of land drained by a single river and its tributaries, or draining into a lake

However, by "Giant's Basin", it might be referring to the lake(s) in a figurative sense. I noticed through my travels in the Guild Wars world that names often highlighted characters and lands figuratively, bringing a touch of humor to what would otherwise have been a ho-hum name.

A prime example is "Ettin's Back."

Is Ettin's Back a "back"? Of course not. It's barren land. One could say it's a canyon, technically. But that doesn't matter. The point is that the area we know as "Ettin's Back" is a barren land named to add a little humor to the area.

Just some things to think about...

Konig Des Todes
22-10-2008, 02:54
I would say, knowing the meaning of Basin, that the area was empty of water, or that the two likes were once much bigger, the currently large lake slowly being drained by the river.

The "Giants" part, I would argue is named that because of the shape, looking at it, it kind of looks like a giant shoe print, that is, if you only look at half of the bigger lake.

Tim Paradox
02-04-2010, 19:53
How come the water is salty, when there's a large river ending in a delta into the ocean to the northwest?

Dragina
02-04-2010, 23:11
I wonder if it's called the Giant's Basin because it's kinda like a bowl. It holds; or used to hold; enough water to satisfy a giant. I agree with mooed.