The Flameseeker Prophecies

[terakhan]

Would it be possible to compile all quotes from the prophecies in game in here? Been wondering a bit about them, but I have yet to find more than a line or two here or there, or some quotes during mission cutscenes (and we all know how anxious people are to skip those).

Especially with random lines from NPCs like Meerak the Shouter in Frontier Gate: "Follow the prince! Though he be doomed, his is the only way to salvation! So saith the prophecy!"

[teh Monkeys]

In thk, the lich says something about the valleys and the peaks of the shiverpeaks mountains being painted red in blood.. not sur eon the exact quote.

[Barinthus]

Sure whenever you run into those, just take screenies and post them here :)

[Barinthus]

Ok here I go...

After you complete the bonus in Nolani Academy Mission, you get to speak with Old Ascalon Spirit who says the following:

Old Ascalon Spirit:These spirits are at peace because of you. They gave their lives protecting the Wall.

Old Ascalon Spirit:The story of our destruction was foretold long ago. Our names might as well have been written in the Flameseeker Prophecies.

Old Ascalon Spirit:Heed the words of the prophet. The sons of Ascalon must not die in vain.

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[Endrick]

Iron Mines of Moladune

us : But why? Why help us?
seer : Because if the prophecies are to be believed, you will do what my entire race could not. You are going to destroy the Mursaat.

[The Swords Master]

I thought the prphecies wnet some thing like, and im just compiling what i know, "When the people of tyria are weak and greedy, the bloostones will rise from their fires sleep to cause a great cataclysm, many will fall many will fight, gods will be at war with mortals and the dead will fight with mortals, in their direst hour heroes will rise to journey to the place of taint and fight back the horror of the gate of komalie, the evil will die and the power will be sealed forever." something along those terms....

[terakhan]

Something along those terms, yes. But I am going for as precise of wording as possible. Something tells me this whole mess may have been caused because that stupid dragon played the prophet card and left things annoyingly vague.

[Endrick]

Thunderhead Keep

Vizier Khilbron: This is just as it was written in the Flameseeker Prophecies.
Vizier Khilbron: An opening will be given to the disciples of the Unseen.
Vizier Khilbron: The peaks and valleys of the Shiverpeaks will be painted in blood.
Vizier Khilbron: At this time, the Ascendants will rise, and the way to the Door will be clear.
Vizier Khilbron: The time of our judgment is near. We must prepare.

[Zero RoGuE]

Thunderhead Keep

Vizier Khilbron: This is just as it was written in the Flameseeker Prophecies.
Vizier Khilbron: An opening will be given to the disciples of the Unseen.
Vizier Khilbron: The peaks and valleys of the Shiverpeaks will be painted in blood.
Vizier Khilbron: At this time, the Ascendants will rise, and the way to the Door will be clear.
Vizier Khilbron: The time of our judgment is near. We must prepare.

Form what ive seen this is the only direct quote we have from the Flameseeker Prophecies..

[Quintus Antonius]

I'd like to open the floor here to a possible discussion on the possibility that the Flameseeker Prophecies do not in fact refer to the events of Prophecies, but rather a sweeping series of events which include Nightfall and Eye of the North.

Simply put, there are things in the Prophecies that do not quite fall into place with the Prophecies storyline. This is not to say that events did not happen in the Prophecies storyline that are foretold, but rather, the Flameseeker more likely refers to the person who releases the Great Destroyer, rather than Titans, who turned out to be a pawn in the bigger scheme of things. This is the first item that points to the Prophecies not being indictative of the Prophecies storyline. Yes, the "way to the Door" is cleared, but is it not still cleared? The very next line is "The time of our judgement is near". That never happened. From what we've seen, it appears that the Prophecies are not, as Glint said "complete".

[Ranger Nietzsche]

I don't know, i think the prophecies are specifically referring to the events leading up to the door of komalie.

the mursaat woudl need to have a VERY central role in GWEotN to justify their prominence in them if otherwise.

Also the parts fo the prophecies spouted by Meerak specifically reference Rurik, who probably won't play a large role in the overall thing either.

[Quintus Antonius]

What if the Mursaat aren't the "unseen" spoken of, but they are actually the, until now, unseen Asura? So far one of the main complaints is that the Asura appear to be bunny-like Mursaat knock offs, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

[Ranger Nietzsche]

that.....would just straight piss me off.

as a Lore dude, and as a lover of good fiction.

[Quintus Antonius]

Indeed, I am in the same boat as you. But so far, that seems to be where they are headed, and you have to admit, some of what I'm saying does make sense in a retcon kind of way. They already retconned with Abaddon, which is acceptable, because it did fill in a hole in the storyline, and GW so far has been all about bad...bad...plot twists. So, who knows. It wouldn't surprise me. It is in Tyria afterall. Things are lining up a bit too unsettling for me.

[Ranger Nietzsche]

sigh, and I was once assured beyond a shadow of a doubt that Gwen was dead forever and the whole thing with the iris was an inside joke of ANet.

[Santax]

I'd like to open the floor here to a possible discussion on the possibility that the Flameseeker Prophecies do not in fact refer to the events of Prophecies, but rather a sweeping series of events which include Nightfall and Eye of the North.

Simply put, there are things in the Prophecies that do not quite fall into place with the Prophecies storyline. This is not to say that events did not happen in the Prophecies storyline that are foretold, but rather, the Flameseeker more likely refers to the person who releases the Great Destroyer, rather than Titans, who turned out to be a pawn in the bigger scheme of things. This is the first item that points to the Prophecies not being indictative of the Prophecies storyline. Yes, the "way to the Door" is cleared, but is it not still cleared? The very next line is "The time of our judgement is near". That never happened. From what we've seen, it appears that the Prophecies are not, as Glint said "complete".

As I interpret it, the Undead Lich was the Flameseeker, and "the flame" Glint refers to is the Titans.

"Seek the flame, for within lies the power to destroy both good, and evil."


There are some from Meerak the Shouter, too:
"Fall down to your knees and beg the gods to spare their wayward children!"
"Follow the Prince! Though he is doomed, his is the only way to salvation! So saith the Prophecy!"
"Hail the Flameseeker Prophecies! All shall be revealed in time, and with the revelation comes the end! Yes, the end!"
"Heed the Prophecies! Beware the unseen enemy!"
"Prepare for the coming of those whose departure caused the gods to weep! The time has come to atone for our arrogance!"
"Repent, Sinners! The Prophecy has spoken! The time is near when you shall reap what you have sown. Repent!"
"Sinners, prepare to meet your makers! Heed the Prophecy well! The end is near!"
"The Prophecy is truth, and the truth shall set us free!"
"The Flameseeker Prophecies will be fulfilled. Make peace with the gods before it's too late!"
"Trust not the treacherous man. We have been warned!"

The White Mantle at the Gates of Kryta mention something about the Prophecies being fulfilled, too.

[Quintus Antonius]

I'd like to point out that everyone was convinced Turai Ossa was fulfilling the events described, and it turned out he wasn't. Point is, that it wouldn't be the first time someone thought a prophecy had come to pass when it hadn't.

[Sir Jack]

I'd like to point out that everyone was convinced Turai Ossa was fulfilling the events described, and it turned out he wasn't. Point is, that it wouldn't be the first time someone thought a prophecy had come to pass when it hadn't.

Well, Glint kind of told us that the Flameseeker Prophecies are now complete (after Hell's)...
So, seeing as she made them, I do think they're done.

Although this:

The Prophecy is truth, and the truth shall set us free!
+ Kormir as Godess of Truth = speculation worthy.

[Quintus Antonius]

It never says Glint made the Prophecies, it said she complied them. That's a big difference.

[Arkhan The Black]

I am pretty sure the Forgotten and Turai Ossa do refer to her as prophet.

[aptaleonII]

From Turai Ossa in Amnoon Oasis-

"I know that those who are proven worthy will help me open the way into the Rift. I know that those who Ascend are destined for greatness. And I know that it will be I who leads them through the treacherous afterlife to the top of the Hall of Heroes. But if you wish to know more, then you should ask the one who had the premonitions, the Prophet."

"The Premonitions" refers to the Flameseeker Prophecies, as evidenced in the preceding dialogue, and "The Prophet" does indeed refer to Glint; when questioned, Turai reveals who he meant. Glint did indeed prophecise the Flameseeker Prophecies.

[Quintus Antonius]

A prophet doesn't "make up" the prophecies though. And the Manuscripts say she "complied" them. Even if they weren't complied (like all three manuscripts say) then they are still revealed to her, in which case, she doens't know anything more about them then the people who hear them. A prophet does not control his or her Prophecies.

[Gmr Leon]

Actually, Quintus, it would be compiled. Spell check is your friend. That's beside the point though, Glint is a dragon, and in most cases dragons are evil and deceive people. I'm not saying Glint is evil mind you, I'm just saying her and the Seer may be working one deceiving web. Also, Quintus, the events in Factions weren't relevant to the Flameseeker Prophecies? I'm not to be surprised if they weren't, just like to keep information refined in my mind.


Because if the prophecies are to be believed, you will do what my entire race could not. You are going to destroy the Mursaat.

That has to be my main backing point to believing they're deceiving us. First time through it didn't really spark any ideas, but after the Glint speculation started it did.

Why do the Prophecies need to be believed to the point we must "destroy" a race? There's obviously more to what the Seer says here than what we know..

[Santax]

Actually, Quintus, it would be compiled. Spell check is your friend. That's beside the point though, Glint is a dragon, and in most cases dragons are evil and deceive people. I'm not saying Glint is evil mind you, I'm just saying her and the Seer may be working one deceiving web. Also, Quintus, the events in Factions weren't relevant to the Flameseeker Prophecies? I'm not to be surprised if they weren't, just like to keep information refined in my mind.
Glint does mention Shiro Tagachi if you are a Canthan character talking to the Vision of Glint, so she definitely somehow knows what's going on.

And about that Seer quote... we don't actually destroy the Mursaat. The Titans did. And even then, only the ones in Tyria were wiped out... there's still their homeland in Janthir where I am sure their populace is still strong. If we wanted to truly destroy the Mursaat, it would be in a future chapter, which would suggest that no, the Prophecies aren't quite over yet.

And finally, one of Meerak's quotes:

Prepare for the coming of those whose departure caused the gods to weep! The time has come to atone for our arrogance!
Who is he referring to? If he is referring to the Titans, or the Mursaat for that matter, why did their departure cause the gods to weep?

[FourthVariety]

Who is he referring to?
White Mantle possibly. They abandoned their old belief, and they make a return in the plotline shortly after.

[Quintus Antonius]

I think the White Mantle is one possibility, but it needn't be the only one. Abaddon's departure from the gods certainly was a blow to them, so I wouldn't rule out that he was the one spoken of. It makes more sense to me actually.

[Troal]

Abaddon's departure from the gods certainly was a blow to them, so I wouldn't rule out that he was the one spoken of. It makes more sense to me actually.

Meerak refers to 'those' who departed. It's plural. I don't think it's Abaddon, otherwise he would most likely have said 'he whose departure caused the gods to weep.'

We're most likely talking about a group. The White Mantle, the Mursaat, perhaps even the undead Orrians are all viable candidates.

[unkemptwolf]

The Margonites perhaps? They abandoned the gods (their "departure") to follow Abbadon, causing the gods to weep. They return with the coming of nightfall, to make "us" (us? or the gods? or both?) atone for our arrogance in believing that Abbadon and the Margonites would take all this lying down.

[Wolfcp]

I'd like to open the floor here to a possible discussion on the possibility that the Flameseeker Prophecies do not in fact refer to the events of Prophecies, but rather a sweeping series of events which include Nightfall and Eye of the North.


I don't think so.

- The campaign is named Prophicies
- Flameseeker refers to the Lich- seeking the flame of the titans
- Glint said they were complete - why would Anet have her lie? do you really think Anet had plans for an overarching story about the prophicies back in the day?
- There is not really anything, taken literally, that corresponds to either Factions or Nightfall. Sure, you can twist words and find some similarities, but there really is nothing. The events in TFSP, from what we know of them, directly tie into the events in GWP.

[aptaleonII]

And the Manuscripts say she "complied" them.

True, but it's also stated she WAS the one who had the visions;


the one who had the premonitions

And regarding the prophecies themselves; I'd say that, since Glint tells us the Prophecies are complete at the end of the first campain, i'd have to believe that they solely refer to events in the first chapter. If evidence to the contrary works off the Glint being evil theory, then it would be purely circumstantial.

[Troal]

Glint said they were complete - why would Anet have her lie? do you really think Anet had plans for an overarching story about the prophicies back in the day?

Yes, but she also states that Tyria is revived again. This is most certainly not the case! Orr and Ascalon remained devastated, Kryta remains in a state of civil war, the Forgotten of the Crystal Desert have probably been nearly wiped out... Only the dwarves seem to have had any good fortune. One race exerting control over their domain does not qualify for a rebirth of Tyria.

[aptaleonII]

Yes, but she also states that Tyria is revived again. This is most certainly not the case! Orr and Ascalon remained devastated, Kryta remains in a state of civil war, the Forgotten of the Crystal Desert have probably been nearly wiped out... Only the dwarves seem to have had any good fortune. One race exerting control over their domain does not qualify for a rebirth of Tyria.

This is true, HOWEVER the "revival" of Tyria could refer to any number of things, it's very ambiguous. "The Prophecies are Now Complete" has one solid meaning.

Plus, Glint is arguably the highest authority on the Flameseeker Prophecies; when it comes to them, she knows her stuff. (And in case the "Glint is Evil" theory is used to devalue this particular argument, as Glint could quite easily be lying, remember that it is still entirely circumstantial).

[Gmr Leon]

Glint said they were complete - why would Anet have her lie? do you really think Anet had plans for an overarching story about the prophicies back in the day?

Everyone needs a backup plan in case of success or failure. :tongue:

[Karn the Betrayer]

It would be cool if we saw Glint again. i mean in GWEN

[Nanashi]

There's no doubt she'll have some part in it. Perhaps the theory the Staff of Orr really does control the titans is true (when no other ruler order is in power - Mallyx and Abaddon being those) she still has it and it probably serves a purpose for her.

[Amanda Creamwave]

Flameseeker Profecies, a set of 'images' from the future about the opening of the door of komalie that glint foresaw and compiled together.

lets start with what i think is the first time we hear of the profecies(player perspective), from meerak.

"Follow the Prince! Though he is doomed, his is the only way to salvation! So saith the Prophecy!"
"Hail the Flameseeker Prophecies! All shall be revealed in time, and with the revelation comes the end! Yes, the end!"
"Heed the Prophecies! Beware the unseen enemy!"
"Prepare for the coming of those whose departure caused the gods to weep! The time has come to atone for our arrogance!"
"The Flameseeker Prophecies will be fulfilled. Make peace with the gods before it's too late!"
"Trust not the treacherous man. We have been warned!"

first he starts with Follow the prince, so seemingly rurik's banishment is part of the profecies.

trust not the treacherous man, seems to refer to Khilbron.

seemingly the gods have something to do with the gods

Prepare for the coming of those whose departure caused the gods to weep! probably revers to the Orrians, in gates of kryta they also tell the coming of the undead foretell the end of the profecies,
and Arah(city of the gods) was in Orr.


As I have foreseen, the Mursaat will meet their demise at the hands of the Chosen. Their stranglehold on the lands of Kryta and beyond will be broken. For years the Mursaat and their human disciples have hunted down the Chosen, murdering them to prevent the prophecies from coming to pass.

the mursaat will meet there demise at the hand of the chosen,this in the end seemed to have been caused because we opened the door.

seems to me the mursaat where only aware of the last part of the profecies. the profecies seemed to have been said that the mursaat will meet there demise at the hand of the chosen, so mursaat murder all the people with the gift of true sight(before they awaken the gift true ascencion).
seems the mursaat did not know the banishment of rurik was part of the profecies,but as implied in Kryta they do know the coming of the undead is part of it.


Of the future, this you must know: your story does not end in the mountains. Your true destiny will lead you to the west, to the Ring of Fire. Seek the flame, for within it lies the power to destroy both good and evil.

glint tells US to seek the flame, for WITHIN it lies to power to destroy both good and evil.

seems to me WE(chosen) are the flameseekers, not the Lich(or maybe also), and the flame are not the titans but is the Volcano(or the door) itself. also titans arent fiery by nature, only in a volcano, or wasteland it seems.

The Seer's seem to be in a struggle with the mursaat, she says for centuries, but they cant win and heard the profecies and is just going to help us with us fulfilling it.
So the seers war with bthe mursaat is maybe over also, i dont know if the seers are really part of the profecies.


"This is just as it was written in the Flameseeker Prophecies. An opening will be given to the disciples of the Unseen. The peaks and valleys of the Shiverpeaks will be painted in blood. At this time, the Ascendants will rise, and the way to the Door will be clear. The time of our judgment is near. We must prepare. Today's was a great victory, but now your true challenge begins. You must go to the Ring of Fire island chain. In the caldera of the largest volcano you will find the power you need."
he says the way to the door will be clear, sounds symbolic and not literally,
Our judgement is near seems more to rever to "revenge of the Shining Blade"


Remember, whatever lies inside the Door of Komalie scares the Mursaat. But all of this, these walls and bunkers, they weren't built to keep something from getting out of the volcano. They were built to keep someone from getting in. No matter how frightened they are of the creatures behind the Door, they are more frightened of you. That, my friend, makes you about the most dangerous thing in Tyria."

seems this tells the "Flame" is the Door of Komalie, the dwarf talks about "Inside the Door"

also dialoges in the Ring of Fire indicate the seer there is the same as in Iron Mines.

seems Khilbron/Lich knows that the titans are behind the door, can we say for sure the Mursaat know what lies behind it?

seemingly from the lich lords dialogue it was written in the profecies the titans would yield to the scepter.

the cataclysm and the searing where all part of abaddon's plot to destroy Arah.

the way i think it, the profecies are about opening of the door, wich will cause the demise of the mursaat.
bu the cataclysm needed to be part of it too, as for the searing. so maybe Abaddon had something to do with it.

[Nanashi]

seems Khilbron/Lich knows that the titans are behind the door, can we say for sure the Mursaat know what lies behind it?

Of course the Lich knew about it. He's been a direct follower of Abaddon for quite some time and possibly before the time of Prophecies.

Whether the Mursaat knew or not is questionable. Could be two situations. A) They don't know but know whatever it is is powerful enough to be a threat to them directly. B.) They were aware and quite possibly to some extent guarding Abaddon during the time of Prophecies.

There's no telling whose side the Forgotten were on and if the Forgotten worked along side the Mursaat, Forgotten being Abaddon's Jailers, the Mursaat bridge we cross in Torment to face Abaddon may have a purpose in identifying the Mursaat's role. At first any agreed, myself included, that this bridge was no significant that devs simply wanted to save time and use a model they've already made to fill a gap. This is the problem with games that sometimes textures can't be taken 100% historically because it is widely known that designers will barrow similar models to previous ones to save time.

That being said though, Forgotten may have been possibly Glint's enemy as well jailing her and attempting to prevent us from reaching her. Since they not only use enchanted armors, which bare similar resemblances to the Mursaat, but the Mursaat themselves are an enemy to our supposed ally... this could be taken into account.

[Amanda Creamwave]

i dont think khilbron was a follower of abaddon, why else did that demon of abaddon 'used' him to read the scroll.

and he transformed into the lich around the year 1070AE

but still, they could have used another bridge, and there is a temple bridge too(similar archtecture as grenth/balthazar temples just outside some outpost(forgot the name)(gate of secrets i thought), i havent seen that bridge before so seems to be a new skin.

could just be the mursaat hold that door closed because opening it would cause there demise.
wherent titans tortured souls?, but they say they titans are being created by margonites.

maybe investigating the Foundry and the Scepter of Orr will maybe give some knew info on the profecies.

[aptaleonII]

I, for one, believe Khilbron WAS a follower of Abaddon prior to his becoming the Lich. I believe Terrick fulfilled the same role for Khilbron that General Kahyet did for Varesh. I mostly inferred this through the dialogue, especially Realm of Torment stuff.