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Barinthus
19-03-2006, 08:25
Someone brought this up in a thread about a month ago but I was unable to find this.

A group of pedestals was found guarded by the Losaru Centaurs in Skyward Reach.

Location:
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7100/skywardpesmap8xx.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skywardpesmap8xx.jpg)

There were four pedestals arranged, two facing each other.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/7285/skypedfar4pr.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skypedfar4pr.jpg)

There were no objects to be found in this area and I cannot discern any purposes for those pedestals.

Barinthus
19-03-2006, 08:29
If you look at a pedestal (all appear to be marked in the same way), you will see those markings:

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6751/skyped4bk.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skyped4bk.jpg)
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/4457/skyped23dv.th.jpg (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skyped23dv.jpg)
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/4351/skyped35ke.th.jpg (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skyped35ke.jpg)

Now that I think of it, while I did look at other pedestals I did not take a screenie of those. I should have so I can critically compare those and see if there are differences in markings. Shame on me.

The big marking was repeated three times around the side of this pedestal.

Barinthus
19-03-2006, 08:31
Nevertheless let me proceed.

The marking on the ramp appears to be different from those on the side:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4213/skypedramp2ho.th.jpg (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skypedramp2ho.jpg)

The marking on the top of the pedestal appears to be different from those on the side and the ramp:

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/4816/skypeddias3uf.th.jpg (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skypeddias3uf.jpg)

I do not know what those signifies yet it's interesting those are different unless my eyes deceive me.

Barinthus
19-03-2006, 08:38
Now, let us visit one other location where I have found similar pedestals.

This is in the area we know as Dunes of Despair...

Location:
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/398/dunespedmap7vg.th.jpg (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunespedmap7vg.jpg)

Like the group of pedestals in Skyward Reach, this was guarded by the Losaur Centaurs.

Unlike the Skyward Pedestals, you can find an item called Slow Totem in the center of pedestals (where all lines would intersect if you were to draw a line from a pedestal to its opposite)
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1227/slowtotem9tu.th.jpg (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slowtotem9tu.jpg)

There are three more major differences - 1). There are 6 pedestals not 4 like the Skyward site. 2). Those pedestals are topped by desert pillars we see in many locations especially in the Prophet's Path from Amnoon Oasis to Augury Rock. 3). There is an arch with griffins carved along its side 'inside' this circle of pedestals.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3538/dunespedfar1ct.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunespedfar1ct.jpg)

Barinthus
19-03-2006, 08:44
The markings on the side appears to be the same as those found on sides of Skyward pedestals:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/2687/dunesped5op.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunesped5op.jpg)
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1851/dunesped24tz.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunesped24tz.jpg)
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/4853/dunespedcloseup1lh.th.jpg (http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunespedcloseup1lh.jpg)

However I've noted that Dunes pedestal ramps did not have markings while those in Skyward Reach had markings. Obviously I was unable to move a pillar to see if there was a marking underneath.

Note that the writings on those pillars appear to be different from those on pedestals. What does this mean? Were those made by two different groups of people? Then who put pillars atop those pedestals? For what purpose?

As for similar pillars found in other areas of the Desert, I cannot recall seeing similar pedestals since they often are 'sunk' into the sands. I am sure there are locations where you can see pillars' base but I do not have any screenies. What I'm trying to say here is are all pillars in the Desert situated on similar pedestals? Or just those found at Dunes?

Also note that in Skyward Reach, I do not see any broken pillars among those pdestals as you would find if there were pillars atop those and fell.

Any thoughts?

P.S. I apologize for my henchies for being in the way of screenies, I couldn't figure how to tell them to stay out of the way - they are way too eager to get themselves photographed.

EDIT: I just noticed this. Ramps in Skyward led away from the inner space while ramps in Dunes went into the inner space.

Barinthus
19-03-2006, 16:16
Shoot I can't edit my older postings. I found that other thread that discussed those pedestal - Scott the Green's thread which can be found at this link:

http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=387368

Also I found some bones which had some rune-like designs on their skulls (or what seemed to be their skulls). Is it possible those are connected to pedestal runes? At the first I thought maybe but after couples of looking, it seems to me those are done in different style and are more of design like monk tattooes. Anyway you be the judge...

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9523/bonesrunes6bc.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bonesrunes6bc.jpg)

Oh by the way I should mention that those bones were found in the Scar, a completely different region. It is also a home to many Losaru centaurs including one man-eating clan the Orshad which you encounter while doing the Warrior's Path quest.

Scott the Green
19-03-2006, 18:32
I swear I've picked up that totem more times than I can remember and never noticed the surrounding structures. I'm usually concerned with clearing out the centaurs and then the team never wants to stick around to sightsee. That's my official excuse.

That type of rune is common on the desert skeletons. The skeleton holding a book in Prophet's Path has the same type of helmet, with the same markings.
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7954/gwskeleton8bp.th.jpg (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gwskeleton8bp.jpg)

The skeleton is wearing armour very similar to what the Ghostly Hero wears, suggesting that this skeleton is Elonian. The helmet symbol does not match any of the ones on the pedastels, but it does bear a resemblance to some of the ones on the top ridge, and on the side partitions.

Sir Jack
19-03-2006, 18:39
http://www.guildwiki.org/images/8/87/KingElswith.jpg

There's a pic of a Ghostly hero, I got it from Guildwiki. It seems the helmet is the same as well, safe from the Runes.
The armor is slightly different, the corpse has larger leg protection and seems to be missing arm protection.
The belt, chest piece, boots and shoulder padding seem to be the same though.

Barinthus
19-03-2006, 20:00
I swear I've picked up that totem more times than I can remember and never noticed the surrounding structures. I'm usually concerned with clearing out the centaurs and then the team never wants to stick around to sightsee. That's my official excuse.



Same here - I didn't notice it until few days ago while farming seige wurms for bleached shells so I can get death magic mask for my necro. I spotted faint outlines of pillars clustered in a circle in distance and I knew it was where you get that slow totem. I though to myself 'hey maybe those are same as Talmuk pillars' so I went over to check it out. I was a bit disappointed when I saw that those pillars were desert pillars until I saw what was under those pillars.

So are you saying that perhaps those runes are Elonian?

Quintus Antonius
19-03-2006, 22:09
I remember the original thread that discussed this, and I've given it some thought.

Now that I look at it, it seems a given what those are for. They are Losai.

Look how the pedestals are raised to a wide flat top. Also note the ramp going up the side of it. Now what purpose could a ramp have on a pedestal? Simple, so a Centauric individual can walk up it since stairs would be difficult for a creature that large with four legs. Also, the top is wide enough for one to stand up there.

It's not a pedestal, its a dias.

Because of this, I'd venture to say that symbol is the symbol of the Losai Centaurs. We have found supposed symbols for the Maguuma and Shiverpeaks, but not for the Losai, yet it makes sense they'd have one too.

Now, as for the purpose of this area, I'm not sure. It could function like a pow-wow circle, or maybe a court. Perhaps it had a religious function. I believe it is guarded by the Losai because it is either sacred or important to them.

Barinthus
19-03-2006, 23:19
Ok but what about those at the Dunes? They have those pillars atop.

And we have three symbols. And that griffin arch.

Saura Elanthier
19-04-2006, 05:26
I would like to show u something whenever u get on Guild Wars. I found a site between the Maguuma area and Kryta. It's hard to describe the structure, but, if I remember correctly, it had the same markings as the pedistals you have displayed. I really think this would interest you.

I've also been pondering about a town nearby (which I can't remember it's name anymore -_-;; ) where trees had been burned as if it had been attacked. I really would like to meet with you sometime so that we may discuss this phenomenon across Kryta.

P.S. I also wonder if we will come across the same markings in Cantha.

Quintus Antonius
19-04-2006, 12:15
Why don't you take some screenshots and post them here for review? We will review your findings and determine if further expeditions are necessasry.

halfthought
20-04-2006, 00:38
I was wondering if the slow totem does anything, whether in-game or in terms of lore

Barinthus
20-04-2006, 02:17
The slow totem slows down enemies within its circle once dropped on the ground.

Saura, yes do please take screenies. Or whisper me in-game.

Ranger Nietzsche
20-04-2006, 02:48
it sounds like hes talking about the druid spires in Talmark, but between Kryta and Maguuma is admittedly a lot of space

Saura Elanthier
20-04-2006, 05:57
Whew! Took quite a while, but I got all these pics uploaded ^^;;

Here's the gallery I made for you all to look at and observe:

1 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw424.jpg) 2 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw425.jpg) 3 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw426.jpg) 4 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw427.jpg) 5 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw428.jpg) 6 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw429.jpg) 7 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw430.jpg) 8 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw431.jpg) 9 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw432.jpg) 10 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw433.jpg) 11 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw434.jpg) 12 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw435.jpg) 13 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw436.jpg) 14 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw437.jpg) 15 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw438.jpg) 16 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw439.jpg) 17 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw440.jpg) 18 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw441.jpg) 19 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw442.jpg) 20 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw443.jpg) 21 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw444.jpg) 22 (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/Bakasaru-chan/Screenshots/gw445.jpg)

Whew! Lemme know what you think ^^;;

Mularc Templare
20-04-2006, 08:22
Hey Saura,

These spires have been dubbed as the Talmark Druid Spires - here is the TAOS explanation, which most of us (including myself) think is the right explanation.


3. Four obelisks in the Talmark Wilderness display a number of these runes. It has been thought that perhaps the obelisks there could be a druid shrine, circle, or belongs to some ancient culture. It is thought that perhaps these obelisks could in fact be Rosetta stones for the alphabet itself, as they include runes that are not on any of the others such as the |69 and a number of others. It has been considered that these obelisks are indeed Druid relics or spires.


This is taken from the The Compendium of Tyrian Sciences (8th Edition).

Thanks for taking the time to post the pictures though - I noticed something there that I'll have to investigate later.

Mularc

Barinthus
20-04-2006, 08:55
Wow a lot of effort right there, Saura, which makes it difficult for me to ask you this - is it possible for you to have those images displayed at a larger size?

Also as far as I recall, there are no similar symbols between desert pedestals and druid spires. But definitely do please correct me if I am mistaken.

Either way, it's nice to see a new face here so do keep it up.

Ranger Nietzsche
20-04-2006, 17:16
umm I know the first 18 or so are of the druid spires

but did anyone else notice something odd in picture 21? what are those onion dome thingys

Saura Elanthier
20-04-2006, 18:35
Yeah, I noticed that too after I made the post. but I didn't feel like doing it again last night ^^

And yes, the onion dome things are in the village near the spires. I thought they were houses at first, but they don't have any openings that would indicate life, so I have no idea that they're for. =\ Also, there are quite a few burnt trees in that area. I don't know why (perhaps the inferno imps attacked the village?)

Yeah, I saw that the runes are very different on the spires than the runes you find in the desert, but I thought I would point this out all the same. I'll try to make these pics bigger, I was hoping they wouldn't do that. ^^;;

Quintus Antonius
21-04-2006, 00:05
umm I know the first 18 or so are of the druid spires

but did anyone else notice something odd in picture 21? what are those onion dome thingys

I believe I can answer that.

Those are haystacks.

http://205.126.22.50/art/terms/largeprints/haystack.jpg

http://faculty.evansville.edu/rl29/art105/img/monet_haystack.jpg

In most countries, that is how a haystack is shaped, in a muffin-like form. I'm not a farmer, so I couldn't tell you why, but I know that is what it is.

(Apparently, no one takes pictures of haystacks, yet many people paint them...)

Zaxares
21-04-2006, 08:52
I don't know either. Perhaps the haystacks are built around an existing framework that looks like that?

Warison
21-04-2006, 14:13
The design is to prevent the whole stack from becoming saturated/soaked during rains. The top works like a thatched roof moving the water down to a drip line that extends beyond the larger part of the stack.

Quintus Antonius
21-04-2006, 17:04
So there you have it, no mystery at all. I guess this proves not all things are necessarily lore.

Ranger Nietzsche
21-04-2006, 19:23
yeah you can go right up next to those things just outside of Dakutu village in talmark. Definately hay or something.

Scott the Green
23-04-2006, 00:25
I thought they looked like termite mounds, myself.

Barinthus
23-04-2006, 19:11
There are some right outside of Lion's Arch - the quest with that woman where you give her a necklace of Janthir or something. Bandit Trouble quest.

cyndee
23-06-2006, 02:54
How do you activate the teleportor on the way to Prophets Path?