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Barinthus
31-03-2006, 03:09
In the Factions preview trailer we are shown this symbol on the back of the person who slew the emperor.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9646/symbolcantha7xj.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=symbolcantha7xj.jpg)

What does this symbol means? Have anybody seen it anywhere during the preview weekend? Have it been seen anywhere in Tyria?

Zaxares
31-03-2006, 03:24
I'm of the opinion that it's Shiro Tagachi's (that's the guy's name) personal emblem, or perhaps it's the emblem of the Emperor's bodyguard. However, there isn't enough information at this point to prove a hypothesis one way or another.

Lord Melvin
31-03-2006, 06:36
Also, I don't think we can see the whole symbol on his back, because that's his hair off to the right and it would be covering a large portion of anything that went all the way across his back.

Edit: the whole symbol can also be seen on his back at the 1:25 mark

Looks like it could be a hand to me.

Barinthus
31-03-2006, 06:44
Ok but it's replication of the symbol that's burnt into the floors at the end of that trailer.

andrewf
09-04-2006, 07:02
that..kinda reminds me of a Salt Spray Dragon

Zero RoGuE
09-04-2006, 11:27
My guess, Its a Spell, He knew after he killed the Emperor, he would be a dead man, so he crafted a spell that(not only delt the deathwail) but resurrected him after 1000 years.

Quintus Antonius
09-04-2006, 22:29
My guess, Its a Spell, He knew after he killed the Emperor, he would be a dead man, so he crafted a spell that(not only delt the deathwail) but resurrected him after 1000 years.

It's only been 200 years.

In my opinion, that is probably the personal symbol of Shiro or the symbol of whomever he was working for. Looks rather like a tiger claw.

Zero RoGuE
10-04-2006, 07:58
It's only been 200 years.

In my opinion, that is probably the personal symbol of Shiro or the symbol of whomever he was working for. Looks rather like a tiger claw.Yeah, but you gotta realize no ones deathwail can do what Shiro's can without some magic...so he has to have some kind of magic working when he dies....

Malakdragon
26-05-2006, 22:32
The Symbol is his guild's symbol. As Master Togo says after one of the first missions

Quintus Antonius
26-05-2006, 23:55
One thing people have mentioned is that Shiro's guild appears no where else.

Consider how many one person guilds there are on Tyria. Shiro's guild needn't be enormous.

Klona
06-06-2006, 16:11
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-4/993962/symbol.JPG

zen daijun mission

on the floor in the miasma

Heath Laron
06-06-2006, 16:16
http://eu.guildwars.com/images/wallpaper/guildwarsfactions-templestandoff-800x600.jpg

Wallpaper? Plus, if he was killed hundreds of years ago, his guild could have disbanded or separated when they heard of his death.

Sir Jack
06-06-2006, 16:20
zen daijun mission

on the floor in the miasma

Togo calls it" Shiro Tagashi's Guild Emblem" or something. Should redo the mission...

Santax
06-06-2006, 21:07
I know for a fact that is Shiro's Guild emblem. However I do not know Shiro's standing in the Guild, or even the name of the Guild.

jouninassasin
09-02-2007, 04:59
"Harbonger of the Deceiver" thas his guild name :)

RenTFW
09-03-2007, 14:16
Its actually ''The Mark Of The Wicked''

if you play the Zen Daijun Mission and you are at the end of the mission you enter a cinematic where togo explains its shiro's guild symbol

(The Symbol appears in a cloud of miasma)

Gmr Leon
09-03-2007, 16:25
Its actually ''The Mark Of The Wicked''

if you play the Zen Daijun Mission and you are at the end of the mission you enter a cinematic where togo explains its shiro's guild symbol

(The Symbol appears in a cloud of miasma)

Actually, that was proposed as his guild symbol earlier on in this topic.

Karn the Betrayer
15-04-2007, 19:03
The Symbol is his guild's symbol. As Master Togo says after one of the first missions

makes u think Shiro is a real player XD

Asukaron
16-04-2007, 21:21
I think I remember seeing the symbol in the Nolani Academy mission during the area after the Stormcaller is used. The fact that the symbol is in tyria can mean the guild either had a world-wide influence, good or evil, (if the stones are ascalonian) or it is a magic symbol (if it's either Charr or human, Nolani is a magic school).

Barinthus
16-04-2007, 21:26
While that'd be interesting, I do not want to entertain that notion until there is a concrete proof. Perhaps you could go back and do the mission and attempt to take a screenie?

Quintus Antonius
16-04-2007, 21:26
Really? I'm going to need to see a screenshot to prove that one.

Asukaron
16-04-2007, 21:41
Really? I'm going to need to see a screenshot to prove that one.

I'll admit I don't have one. I can't log on to GW untill I fix my internet.

I'll try to get one as soon as I can. For the moment unless someone is in the mood to solo the mission (not too hard), I can't have proofes, dismiss my argument if you want to.

EDIT : before I forget, the symbols are on small stones with flames on top of them. And... wow agressive reply...(don't mind the last comment)

Quintus Antonius
16-04-2007, 21:43
I'll help you out if I can, just tell me where to go.

Quintus Antonius
16-04-2007, 23:06
Okay, well, I was never told where to look in Nolani, but I did notice something else:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b23/marik54321/Rzaa.jpg

What exactly does that symbol on Razah's chest look like to you?

Imagecredit: Yakslappin. I borrowed it from his fanart thread. Call it publicity!

Troal
16-04-2007, 23:10
Since Razah was meant for a grand purpose, it stands to reason that he bears a symbol of evil because Abaddon meant for him to be evil. Of course, it could be additional support for my hypothesis that Razah is a replacement for Shiro in Abaddon's grand scheme. It just gets better and better...

Quintus Antonius
16-04-2007, 23:32
I actually agree with your theory, at least in the sense that Razah is meant to replace Abaddon or Shiro or someone else. Even Razah admits he knew Abaddon was holding him for some unknown grand purpose.

Troal
17-04-2007, 00:15
It's nice to be able to agree on something, especially after our little Bloodstone feud.

This makes me wonder, though... does the symbol have any symbolic relation to Abaddon? Is it trying to paint Shiro as the hand/claw of Abaddon, who carries out his plans in the living world? Or is the symbol supposed to resemble some sort of eye, Abaddon's flavour of choice?

Quintus Antonius
17-04-2007, 00:19
I don't think so, from what we've seen Abaddon's symbol is the six eyes/his mask. Which begs the question, is this the symbol of some darker, deeper C'thulhian nemesis?

Troal
17-04-2007, 00:47
I doubt it. I'd like to believe that Abaddon - and only Abaddon - was Shiro's puppet master. If there was a greater evil manipulating Abaddon, then that would defeat his position as God of Knowledge, i.e. patron god of all evil masterminds. No one should be able to outsmart the God of Smarts. Even if they were working as a team, I think there would be 'territorial' issues if Abaddon and some other evil force both left their mark on the same pawn.

Quintus Antonius
17-04-2007, 01:15
I'd like to point out that Dhuum and Menzies pretty much used Abaddon as a meatpuppet.

Troal
17-04-2007, 01:24
That's just one interpretation. I, for one, don't believe it, for the reasons I've stated above.

I can almost smell a debate on the horizon...

Quintus Antonius
17-04-2007, 01:30
I'm just saying, the guy was chained down, and doesn't even directly attack you when you fight him. He wasn't in a position to be calling the shots.

Troal
17-04-2007, 01:38
I think you're assuming that Dhuum and Menzies aren't in a similar position.

The three always struck me as being equal, each helping the other in their quest for freedom and world dominance. Judging from all three's usage of emissaries to communicate with each other, it seems quite possible that Menzies and Dhuum do not have the blessing of mobility either.

Asukaron
17-04-2007, 02:15
Okay, well, I was never told where to look in Nolani, but I did notice something else

Sorry for taking so long (barely a couple of hour in fact, man you guys are fast), look around the last part fo the mission, after stormcaller has been activated. Look for small rock with a torch on top of it, they're about as hight as a character leg if I remember right.

Barinthus
17-04-2007, 08:50
This must be what you're thinking of...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2833/gw100yl2.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw100yl2.jpg)

They can be found in other places and also some spells have that as their symbol. More at http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=388660&highlight=symbol

Minionman
17-04-2007, 14:34
I'm just saying, the guy was chained down, and doesn't even directly attack you when you fight him. He wasn't in a position to be calling the shots.

There are more forms of power than just straight fighting ability. Abaddon has the ability to influence people mentally, control over large amounts of demons, and is the one with the overall plan. Even if Dhuum and Menzies are free, they do not have the influence or the planning that abaddon does, and seem to control about the same amount of demons, so would have a good reason to follow.

(With the Shiro argument, Dhuum and menzies are not known for sending demons to influence people, and are not seem planning out much, so they would not be in a position to think of and carry out the Shiro corruption.)

Asukaron
17-04-2007, 21:31
This must be what you're thinking of...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2833/gw100yl2.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw100yl2.jpg)

They can be found in other places and also some spells have that as their symbol. More at http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=388660&highlight=symbol

Indeed I was thinking about those.
Hmmmm... Now that I see it it doesn't look too much like Shiro's symbol.

Quintus Antonius
17-04-2007, 21:33
I always thought that it was the symbol of the Flaming Scepter Mages. I don't know why.

Barinthus
18-04-2007, 04:45
I looked into that and as far I can determine there is no FSM banner or symbol whateverso at all. That we see anyway

Quintus Antonius
18-04-2007, 04:49
Yup, I remember that, I was just saying that I once thought that, and I don't know why, haha.