The Official Paragon Wishlist Thread

[JMadisonIV]

The Test Weekend was practically for feedback.

so let's give the Devs some Paragon Feedback.

Discuss amongst ourselves what needs to be changed, based on what we have seen so far. and let's keep all the wishlisting here, so ANet can come by and see it.

I'll start with a couple of frivolous things:

1. Better Spear-Handling animations. They need to be more...menacing, for lack of a better word. The Paragon looks really lame holding a spear the way he does(especially while running), and the throwing animation needs more OOMPH to it.

some picture examples of what might be good(don't take these as fact, these are just the best pictures I could find at the moment to describe what I am thinking of):

Idle, Standing:

http://www.soldiers-russia.com/kolobob/images/rm02_f.jpg

Running:
http://www.dvdoutsider.co.uk/films/pix/t/troy.jpg

Throwing:

I couldn't find a good throwing picture, but I think that the Paragon should lean back a little bit further, and follow through a little bit further. and perhaps throw the spear from 3/4 (like a Quarterback) instead of straight overhand(like a Pitcher)

2. HELMETS. Please for the love of god, give Paragons HELMETS! none of the silly little Crystal floating at your forehead stuff. that's for fingler-wigglers. Paragons are Soldiers, Commanders, Leaders. They should have Headgear that matches respect-inducing stature of their armor.

like this:

http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/R000743_L.jpg

3. Please get rid of the nipples in the chestplate. this is not Batman Forever, and Joel Schumacher does not work for ANet..does he?

4. Allow us to dye the full armor, instead of just the highlights. leave the Highlights Gold, and let the white portions of the full armor be the dyeable parts. we don't all want to walk around wearing white.

anyone else with ideas?

[Azure Eyes]

The gold nipples definately have to go, as well as the ele floating jewel thing.

Also it would be nice if they didnt look so feminine. I honestly thought the paragon i rolled was a girl for the first 5 minutes.

Also an chant or shout icon would be nice on the party window so you can see if your teamates still have the buff.
Wont happen but how about paragons be left handed? Im sick of always playing righty.
Also different ranged spears like bows would be cool.
Make paragon shields give different bonuses than war shields.

[lavenbb]

Party list indicators for echo skills.

[OsirisThain]

Yeah echo indicators would be good, only the ones that refresh though. Dont need the shout chant indicators though, just look at your own enchantment/hex bar for that.

I want wings:P When they are casting chants.

I also think that helmets are a good idea... But what about a halo??? It would have to be more aura like and shiny than the factions ele ones though.

[AngryWatermelon]

Guardian angels have wings. They need wings. If they get trippy eyes, they deserve some wings being angels and all. It just seems right, what with Nightfall's enemies getting them. I wouldn't mind some even cooler spear and chanting animations for them. Armor lighting/shadowing effects need to be fixed. When half my armor is pearly white and the other half a dull gray... doesn't look right. Male ranger 15K canthan has a similar problem with the pants. I don't know what it is exactly, but it should be fixed. Really puts off the armor for me. Eh, I don't mind the floating head piece thing. Maybe make it more interesting, like a halo or something? Angelic beings can get away with it. But I wouldn't argue if they did get helmets.

Hope I get heard.

[Spezial Einheit]

1. Better Spear-Handling animations. They need to be more...menacing, for lack of a better word. The Paragon looks really lame holding a spear the way he does(especially while running), and the throwing animation needs more OOMPH to it. I agree 100%

2. HELMETS. Please for the love of god, give Paragons HELMETS! none of the silly little Crystal floating at your forehead stuff. that's for fingler-wigglers. Paragons are Soldiers, Commanders, Leaders. They should have Headgear that matches respect-inducing stature of their armor. Once again, I agree 100%. They could easily use ancient Roman or Greek helmet designs and influences.

3. Please get rid of the nipples in the chestplate. this is not Batman Forever, and Joel Schumacher does not work for ANet..does he? Please, oh please no more nipples on armor.

4. Allow us to dye the full armor, instead of just the highlights. leave the Highlights Gold, and let the white portions of the full armor be the dyeable parts. we don't all want to walk around wearing white.Great idea. I think we could all deal with permanent gold accents but not all of us wish to be white fairy looking characters.

anyone else with ideas?

Overall, I agree with the OP on every topic. With these few, relatively simple changes, I think the paragon would be much more fun to like at and play with. I'm sorry but the animations are terrible, especially when running. Perhaps he should hold it as the ranger does?

[Deus Invictus]

wings when casting or at some point have wings... wings would just be crunk

[MaximumSquid]

I think a spear modle that is a big rock would be good.

I mean you can already get a pick instead of a hammer.

Why not get a rock instead of a spear on a lucky drop?

[DeathDealer]

3. Please get rid of the nipples in the chestplate. this is not Batman Forever, and Joel Schumacher does not work for ANet..does he?

Oh Im sure if the females have the nipple pattern on them it wouldn't be a problem. Can't you all set aside your homophobia for a game?

[MilitiaMan]

Oh Im sure if the females have the nipple pattern on them it wouldn't be a problem.

:shocked:


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moving on...

I'm hoping that paragon's will have some way to counter a few of the FotM builds like touch ranger.

[Azgalon]

Wishlist
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Adding 4 inches on their biceps wouldn't hurt, as well as a bigger and more defined Vastus Lateralis.

Beside that, the class is fine.

[MilitiaMan]

you want them to have bigger legs and biceps?

hmmmm i dont pay attention to character detail that much.

[Leonidas Of Sparta]

well i would like to see them in more of Greek armor

much like a Hoplite ;)

http://www.paulhargreaves1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/Hoplite.jpg

[Vexed Arcanist]

Changing their "casting" animation to something a wee bit...no....LARGE BIT more masculine. A standing, legs spread shoulder width, arms out wide with shield and spear in a gesture of power, SHOUTING stance would do much service to the current pansy animation.

[Kjentei]

Wings, helmets and some more armors that don't look like plastic please.

[Invisible X]

I agree with the point of how you want them to run with the spear. Though, since this is supposed to be based around a Africa like setting it would only seem fitting for them to run with it at their shoulder like the African warriors do. Also I don't know how you expect a person to throw a spear while its at their waist. It would be adding more useless animations to the game. As cool as it looks, I just don't think it would fit.

[Issisac]

Okay, paragons are gonna be sweet in Nightfall either way but I agree with pretty much all the original suggestions, although I guess not so strongly.

1. I don't mind the holding the spear on the shoulder thing while standing around (I think it looks pretty neato), but holding it there while prancing around just got kinda silly looking after a while. Not a biggie though, really.

2. Helmets would be the neatest idea out of all these in my opinion. The way my character was modeled it looked like he had just hopped over to Cantha from Rome. It rocked :grin: The sort of helmet that Leonidas Of Sparta posted looks very on track with what would go well.

3. I didn't mind the nipples actually, they just sorta made the armor more authentic looking I guess. Anyway, it's not like I was staring at them a whole bunch so I guess I wouldn't be bothered either way. This one other paragon made a comment about 'em though (but he had green ones so.... :shocked: )

4. Just allowing a little bit more of the armor to be dyed would be nice, some extra contrast would truly make the armor sweet looking.

[halfthought]

GOD DAM, PLZ A-NET GIVe ME TYRIEL WINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Darris]

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[lavenbb]

It's pretty naive to be offended by an imitated "nipple" don't you think?

Even in medieval times much art had the human upper body exposed, male or female. Especially angels, they're often completely naked, something about God created the human image and we should never deviate from it, etc. If anything the armor sets are authentic, since they're supposed to be inspired by real life culture and art, as someone else suggested.

One might argue, "Oh, but it is a fake one deliberately added on!"
Well, this is not the first time I see something like this, and I'm pretty sure it will not be the last time either..

[Lord Pharoah]

I liked them a lot the only problem I had was their running animation. The rest I can put up with but I won't play a male monk to this day because of the way they run please don't do it to the Paragon!

[the mighty drazgon]

i know it has probably been sed but those bloody eye things. wtf is dat about. they need helmets, and if not, i dno, a halo, those things look ridiculous. and it lets u dye them and they dont change colour! they reeli beta b changed

[Longasc]

Does nobody of you care that an ANGEL with Wings and a Halo would look pretty dumb among all the other chars? Besides that fat warrior and the anorexic female assassin?

I think the oh-so wanted wings might be part of the CE, like the Divine Aura only seen when you are using an emote command.

[Mr Panda]

Hehe, long, if thats the case, ANet'd revenue: $$$

People want their wings :)

I for one dont mind too much, could be neat on the 15k/fow armour though

[Snake Jake]

if a-net refuses to change the color problem then paragons the first day nightfall comes out will be a big white blob. It's like having all that ugly ring mail brown with different color of parts, a disaster. Anyways the overall class is the best one i can think of. Assassin was a terrible idea cuz u don't assassinate. I think that this chapter of gw is gonna be great if they change the problems

[MaximumSquid]

I'm with Longasc. . .

I think wings would be a terrible idea.

Here. . .

I'll give you a point blank example.

Take this Troll Priest from WoW and tell me he doesn't look like a retard.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9314/trollpriestuh9.jpg

You think that's bad you should see some of the undead players with this armor on. . . It's complete crap!

It's not just the horde side either. . . I think everyone who puts on this armor looks moronic.

I don't think the paragon will be any different.

[JMadisonIV]

It's pretty naive to be offended by an imitated "nipple" don't you think?
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not offended at all.

the nipples on the armor just looks stupid. that's all.

[Findariel]

Yes I like the Pallas Athena Greek helmets as well.
Please no elementalist things .. Paragons have warrior armour!

[Auntie I]

JMadisonIV, your comments were both rude and uncalled for. I have deleted them. Please watch your language in the future.

[JMadisonIV]

JMadisonIV, your comments were both rude and uncalled for. I have deleted them. Please watch your language in the future.

I've seen much, much worse here, but fine, if someone is THAT offended by asterisks.

whatever floats the boat.

[JMadisonIV]

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Thank You.

Now, do you have any Suggestion for the Paragon Class, or was your sole purpose of posting in this thread to harass me, without contributing anything of substance to the topic of discussion?

[Rampageoh]

I would like to have a melee skill in which the spear is not thrown but used to stab at the opponent or used like a quarterstaff in combat. It is not necessary but after all this is a "wish" list.

I don't want them to have wings though.

[Lais Irideika]

Thank goodness I am not the only one who thought the animation for the paragon was just completely understated, lame and well... really weak-looking. It's a spear he is running around with, not an arrow that weighs all of 6 ounces!

When running with a spear, in order to look realistic, the character has to lean silghtly forward and titled slightly toward the side the spear is being held.

And the throwing of it is even worse. Give it some momentum. Arch him backward a bit then fully forward when hauling that thing at enemies.

Anet - you have to make better animations on that paragon. One of the best features of Guild Wars is that every little detail looks realistic, including movements and animations... The paragon just doesn't cut it.

As for the armor - I have absolutely no problems with it at all. I don't think wings are necessary either - they are not real angels, but they are the guardians of Elona. Angelic-looking, yes, but not true angels. If some skills made wings appear however, that would be a nice addition.

As for the helmet - meh. The floaty thing is fine in my books.

And as for the nipples... double-meh. It looks just fine (on the male armor - no doubt it will NOT be on the female armor, which is a very good thing).

[Puntarunt]

I know they were going for an african theme, but I immediately thought of the spear warriors of the movie "Troy". Very cool in my book.

What would make it perfect, is if you had a Jabbing attack when your target was in Melee range.

[Katiapain]

Do you guys really think they're going to change all the animations and looks at this point and add angel wings, halo's etc? What they're probably looking for in feedback is how the skills worked and the over all balance of the profession.

I felt like the profession would make a good secondary as alot of the shouts and chants were relatively cheap. But I found trying to add a secondary to it, as a paragon primary, pretty useless in a lot of situations except for a warrior secondary. As a paragon lacks the energy to use all but the cheapest abilities.

[Brunestud Family]

Wish : Shield and/or armor with bonus "while under effect of a chant/shout"

[Gordon Michael]

2. HELMETS. Please for the love of god, give Paragons HELMETS! none of the silly little Crystal floating at your forehead stuff. that's for fingler-wigglers. Paragons are Soldiers, Commanders, Leaders. They should have Headgear that matches respect-inducing stature of their armor.
I'd like the option of helmets, but I'd also like to keep the option of crystals that can actually be dyed.


4. Allow us to dye the full armor, instead of just the highlights. leave the Highlights Gold, and let the white portions of the full armor be the dyeable parts. we don't all want to walk around wearing white.
Yeah, I thought necromancer armor was hostile towards dye, but it's nothing compared to this.

[Gordon Michael]

Do you guys really think they're going to change all the animations and looks at this point and add angel wings, halo's etc? What they're probably looking for in feedback is how the skills worked and the over all balance of the profession.

I felt like the profession would make a good secondary as alot of the shouts and chants were relatively cheap. But I found trying to add a secondary to it, as a paragon primary, pretty useless in a lot of situations except for a warrior secondary. As a paragon lacks the energy to use all but the cheapest abilities.
I honestly don't think they're done with all the armor art yet. The Factions PvP preview had about 5 armour types per profession with different art for each, as well as nearly all of the skills. The Nightfall PvP preview only had 3 armour types and armour art styles per profession and the Paragons only got one style of headgear, and a significant portion of the skills including roughly half of the elites weren't available. As for changing the spear animations, that's a lot less likely, but the Dervish and Paragon animations still aren't complete. Some or all of the emotes for the Nightfall professions used the same emotes as other professions during the preview, and neither of them had a dance yet.

[Aksharack]

I am quite impressed with the Paragon proffession over all ,but I have to agree with alot of the posters here. The animations are a bit weak, and the in particular I found their carrying pose to be very irritating. I felt constantly like my paragon's armo must be stuff from holdng the spear all the time on his shoulder. More over, it felt like he was constantly pointing at something with it... really, just irritating.

I think speaking out now can, and probably will, cause the animations to be changed. Assassin animations were tweaked after a public out cry about how it looked... Giving Anet feed back now is the best thing we can do.

Helmets would definately be cool as well. :cool:

[Princess eirika]

I am quite impressed with the Paragon proffession over all ,but I have to agree with alot of the posters here. The animations are a bit weak, and the in particular I found their carrying pose to be very irritating. I felt constantly like my paragon's armo must be stuff from holdng the spear all the time on his shoulder. More over, it felt like he was constantly pointing at something with it... really, just irritating.

I think speaking out now can, and probably will, cause the animations to be changed. Assassin animations were tweaked after a public out cry about how it looked... Giving Anet feed back now is the best thing we can do.

Helmets would definately be cool as well. :cool:


Yeah I remember how the assassins used to run...looked like they were running with some diapers on :tongue: They still have plenty of time to fix these things, not to mention Im curious to see the other skills they didnt show

[Orrik]

Rampageoh

I would like to have a melee skill in which the spear is not thrown but used to stab at the opponent or used like a quarterstaff in combat.

I imagined a skill called impale when you said that... I think that'd be cool too, almost like the rangers point blank shot.

[Akirai Annuvil]

there already is a skill called impale in the Assassin's Dark Arts line or something :)