[Elonian Lore] the new god [Archive]

Serena Corvidae

31-07-2006, 09:08

The possible new God and its role in Nightfall is already being discussed in this thread (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=412258&page=1).

It could be an evil god.... or something as powerful as all 4 gods combined!
There are in fact 5 major Gods in Guild Wars: Dwayna, Balthazar, Melandru, Grenth and Lyssa.

i always thought it was grenth = necromancer

Grenth is the god of death and ice
Dwayna is the godess of life and air
Balthazar is the god of war and fire
Melandru is the godess of nature and earth
Lyssa is the godess of beauty and illusion

Click here (http://eu.guildwars.com/gameplay/theworld/the_old_gods/) for more information about the Old Gods.

False Visage

31-07-2006, 11:54

I think Gaile meant was no-one knows which of the the gods are for the Dervish are, rather than not knowing the who that god is.

While possible, it'd be a little cumbersome to add in another full-fledged god to the current pantheon. Plus it'd mess up the lore from Factions and Prophecies somewhat.

Laibeus Lord

31-07-2006, 12:21

Nah, I don't think it will mess up the SL of Prophecies and Factions. I think it is feasible to add new gods. The "Old Gods Pantheon" is one of the pantheon, there can be other god pantheon as well. You can have mortals who achieved godness for example, or some other god who arrived in the planet after the Old Gods left it and its inhabitants. ;)

Peddy

31-07-2006, 12:27

I think The Dervish that favors one of these attributes over the others follow the God that "represent" the attribute.

Scythe Mastery = Balthazar
Mysticism = Lyssa
Air Prayers = Dwayna/Grenth (Grenth because of the cold dmg)
Earth Prayers = Melandru

Ravi

31-07-2006, 14:57

where did gaile said there will be a new god?

captain lucky

31-07-2006, 15:14

It is possible new gods are being added for perhaps a elonian version of fow/uw or maybe it will be involved for new features in Pve/Pvp most likely pve

Transcendent Clarity

31-07-2006, 15:20

It would be awesome if the new god was the god to monsters and not to us. Since Nightfall is a pve base it would be nice to expand on it. Since the chaos are invading both tyria and cantha, the new god would belong to them and show itself in nightfall. Would make sense with The Darkness boss related to nightfall campaign.

Quintus Antonius

31-07-2006, 15:21

Elementists don't follow one god, but rather seek knowledge from all gods. That's straight from the Elementist profession changer in the Crystal Desert.

So, I find it highly unlikely that there will be a god solely for all elementists.

Laibeus Lord

31-07-2006, 15:23

Or, the twist can also be that the Elonans know the other gods which the Ascalonians, the Canthans, the Kurzicks, and the Luxons do not know or have not a chance to know them.

We don't even know yet if the gods the Charr worships are just a figment of their religious imagination or really exist ;) We can also say that the Luxons are worshipping a new god instead of no god. Those can be good twists :)

TeeBeeNZ

31-07-2006, 16:47

Gaile told us that there will be a new god ... but declined to tell us what

and this afternoon .. i was looking at the different gods ... in their avatar forms then it struck me .. OMG .. no elementalist god ... could it be?

what do you guys think?

if so what would be a nice name to call her/him

They also said there would be 2 new gods for Factions. Guess the new gods are working on those new guild emblems and the rest of factions missing content.

Goldfish God

31-07-2006, 17:01

Egyptians viewed their pharoahs as gods (on death at least). As far as I've heard, the Nightfall storyline mentions something about a power-mad king. Could be something in that as a "new god".

Quintus Antonius

31-07-2006, 17:14

They also said there would be 2 new gods for Factions. Guess the new gods are working on those new guild emblems and the rest of factions missing content.

Once again, there are three new gods and two new systems of worship in Factions. The Luxons have their demigods, and the Emperors are held as gods among the people. Also, the Ritualists have a system of ancestor worship.

Смерть

31-07-2006, 20:09

Once again, there are three new gods and two new systems of worship in Factions. The Luxons have their demigods, and the Emperors are held as gods among the people. Also, the Ritualists have a system of ancestor worship.

Its neat that they incorporated parts of Chinese religion in the game.

halfthought

01-08-2006, 01:25

the great dwarf/great distroyer...

Trojan

01-08-2006, 01:30

My best bet is on Dhuum, or Menzies.

Selene Raseth

01-08-2006, 01:32

It'd be interesting if the lich from the first one was removed from this plane of existence, and used the power he had to slowly carve an empire in the realm of chaos, and is planning on staging his conquest out of elonia.

duward

01-08-2006, 03:35

nice idea ... now we have a recuring villain .. ^^

Arkhan The Black

01-08-2006, 09:39

I doubt we will be seeing the Lich again because if you wanna pick up the GW story line with a Elonian character it would be really screwed up.

the forests wisper

01-08-2006, 15:15

We don't even know yet if the gods the Charr worships are just a figment of their religious imagination or really exist ;)
the charr gods are the fire titans in phrophecies. just a fyi!

i think if they do add a new god it will be a villan coz it will go nicely with factions and phrophecies becasue....

1) shiro was an envoy of the gods... evil god told me to do it i swear!

2) lich was from orr, right? wasnt the place were the gods left in orr? anybody eles think the missing god was forgoten becasue of the detruction of orr?

3) the elonians came to the dessert to become accended, yes? maby they came to the dessert becasue the god told them too.

4) if you were a god thats been forgoton would you be rather miffed off at that?

5) lich and shiro both tryed to make an army from ether titans or from the aflicted. both in big enough numbers could wipe out any continent! possibley all 3+!

6) the murrsat. they probably will have sumin to do with this im sure. they look kinda godly and i also really didnt like them titans. maby they will be allies who try and stop this big bad guy god or it could be there god!

7) whats the chances im right? that the big bad god now has his army. who would save the world if a god went loose? the other gods of corse! but wait a sec! isint the orriginal entrane to the rift (tomb of primeval kings) now swarming with big nasty monsters!! ladys and gents i think we've found the gods new army!!

8) which gods would u fear the most if you were a bad god? grenth and bathazar becasue they are ether gona jut make u die (grenth) or are generally gona get wooped coz bathazar is unbeatable due to his skill in combat. so how would you stop them getting in your way? id probably get my army to lay a seige in there realms to keep them bizzy... dydres in the UW and the shadow army in the FOW... on that note whats the chances the god is menzien (how ever u spell it lol!)

9) in the lore it sez that the king of ascalon beged for help from the gods after they gave magic to all the races and then all the races when echo nuker on each other. it doesnt say which god made the volcano explode and put the stones back out there. proof of another god? maby he was the cause of the guild wars by getting lich (the righ hand man of the king of orr) to stir up trouble with ascalon and kryta.

if this is the full story line then the PvE story team are impressive about how they are putting in little clues!

in short...

i think this is gona show that lich and shiro were only pawns in a massive global domination plan that keeps getting foiled by the players. this time the secret sorce of all the problems is found and hes coming to woop arse with an army of grasps and other nastys! we might get some help from the other scary guys a.k.a. the mursat and it will end chap 3 with a big fight with a lvl 50 god who dies and will some how lead on to chapter 4 with is death leading to yet chapter.

what u guys think?

do i know my lore or what!:brainiac:

Quintus Antonius

01-08-2006, 16:45

the forests wisper

01-08-2006, 16:55

While I think there could be some sort of third party behind the Lich, I feel it is more likely that TAOS research by Mularc Templare into the subject has found the correct answer, the Lich being inhabited by a Titan spirit.

I also tend to agree with the theory that Shiro was driven mad. However, he was in the Underworld for two hundred years prior to returning, it is not completely unlikely that he may have met up with some sort of "evil" god. That said, Shiro doesn't seem like the kind of person who is content to be a "pawn" of someone.

The problem with cross-chapter characters is that each chapter is meant to be a stand alone game. If they start cross-chaptering characters that can't stand on their own in their respective chapters, then each chapter is simply an expansion. I do believe we will continue to see reoccuring characters, such as Mhenlo and company, but I'm not sure if they will bring back the Lich, Shiro, or groups like the Mursaat, although I'd love them too and we are about to see the Elonians again, so who knows.

true about shiro not wanting o be a pawn but isint is possible that maby both lich and shiro were "possesed" for lack of a better word. maby the jade sea was made when this villan got out from shiro when he died.

again true that the crossing of chapters. i also see that it could work becasue if the elonians are back then who eles is? my theory could answer a few questions that are just left open in the lore.

oh well im sure the story is no were near as complicated as what ive posted but i like d the idea lol.

Docho

01-08-2006, 20:09

About the new god:

Wasn't one of the gods in old Egyptean belief held responible for the flow of the Nile? (I'm not an expert)
Is it perhaps possible that the new god is the divine representation of the things that cause the Elone to flow?
From the limited information we have it seems that the river could be that important that there is one deity completely dedicated to the river... (why else would Anet mention the river, it must have some importance<- in Tyria and Cantha the rivers don't even have names)

Blazing Liger

01-08-2006, 20:41

The Egyptian god Hapy was believed to control the flooding of the Nile, not its flow. The annual flooding of the Nile was very important to Egyptian civilization because it brought fertile soil to the river valley which allowed the Egyptians to grow their crops.

It's possible there could be a god of the Elon, which would explain why we've never come across him/her before. Especially so if Anet is basing a lot of Elona off ancient Egypt (and so far it looks like they probably are).

Selene Highlander

01-08-2006, 20:54

I don't know if this is correct,but what I will say is what I heard from several sources (guildies, forums, etc). So if I'm wrong don't flame me lol.

What I heard was that the new god who will be the baddie for Nightfall is Dhuum. I was told Grenth defeated him at some point and took over as ruler of the Underworld. Dhuum was then banished to a hellish part of the UW (I'm assuming the same place as Shiro). Anyways it seems Dhuum is rather pissed and wants to break out of the UW to lash back at the world. That would explain the rifts and the grasp invasion during the Dragon Festival. Why he would choose Elona over Cantha to stage his assault is beyond me right now although I'm sure it'll be explained (he seemed to break through to Cantha well! :P).

I think it would be awesome to incorporate all three continents into the story for Nightfall, however due to the stand-alone nature GW is taking I think it will remain in Elona only :(.

Who knows, maybe even Gwen will be a baddie!!! Would definetly be fun.

Anyways, I'm going off what I've heard, I could be wrong and if I am PLEASE correct me!

BTW for lore about the gods, the manual that came with Prophecies has some tidbits of info, I'm gonna look through mine later tonight.

See you all in Elona!

Amladrik

01-08-2006, 20:57

I think it will be an sun god or something for the paragons uses fire spells and so mayby it will be a fire god or sun god?/first post on this forum ^^

Quintus Antonius

01-08-2006, 20:58

Well, Selene, the simple truth is, we don't know. Sounds like your guildies just regurgitated what we've said here.

Right now, information seems to be pointing to Dhuum as the "outcast god", but it is plausible it is Menzies, or someone else we have yet to be introduced to yet. It's also plausible that the gods of the Paragons and Dervishes have yet to be seen.

As for anything to do with Gwen, I'd have to say "no".

lavenbb

01-08-2006, 22:35

I think it will be an sun god or something for the paragons uses fire spells and so mayby it will be a fire god or sun god?/first post on this forum ^^

The river god or the sun god, etc can all be attributed back to the 5 Old Gods. Remember they say each continent has a different view towards the Old Gods?

There's no need to introduce a new god for everything.

Quintus Antonius

01-08-2006, 23:14

COLDshiver

01-08-2006, 23:20

My guess is that the new god is the evil in Nightfall, from this:

In Guild Wars Nightfall, Elona has fallen under the shadow of an evil, outcast god.
It's from http://www.guildwars.com/press/releases/pressrelease-2006-08-01.php

Quintus Antonius

01-08-2006, 23:27

That's the entire premise of this thread, Cold =P

Trojan

02-08-2006, 03:48

This sounds like Dhuum more and more...

Tuor Son Of Huor

02-08-2006, 11:51

Egyptians viewed their pharoahs as gods (on death at least). As far as I've heard, the Nightfall storyline mentions something about a power-mad king. Could be something in that as a "new god".

This sounds highly credible to me, especially since the writers always draw from the mythologies upon which the chapters are based i.e Greek/Norse/Medieval mythologies and themes are predominant in Tyria, Asian mythologies and themes present in Cantha and now Roman/Egyptian/North African themes would be seen in Elona.

Evidence of this can be seen with the inclusion of a "great river" named Elon. In light of this, I think Elonian culture will closely resemble the pharonic Culture of ancient egypt.

Back on topic about which God, I have to refer to the only information we have on Dhuum: According to the Reaper of the Chaos Planes, he was DESTROYED by Grenth. I think that would preclude him from returning.

That leaves Menzies, who is still in control of a powerful army battling Balthazar for control of the Fissure of Woe. He is described as "The Lord of Destruction".

My postulation is this:

Menzies finds a way to escalate the conflict to other planes, and is the force behind the defiling of the ToPK and The Darknesses. This was his 2nd foray into the "Human plane" , as it is clear that the Zaishen have battled a similar threat once before.

Also, there are literary clues: Nightfall is described as "the spreading of darkness". And the main bosses behind the invasion of ToPK are called - you guessed it - The Darkness.

hexal

02-08-2006, 13:45

I remember someone saying that gods can't be destroyed, but I can't seem to find it. Anyway, gods can die. Anyone heard of Osiris? He was the Egyptian god of death, the Underworld etc., well he was murdered by his borhter Seth (hence becoming Lord of the Dead). So with Dhumm being destroyed and all, I'd have to say the big baddie god is Menzies.

crying wolf

02-08-2006, 14:13

The new god is an evil god that you have to defeat in the campaign. Read about it on the official site.

http://www.guildwars.com/press/releases/pressrelease-2006-08-01.php

Guild Wars Nightfall takes place on the continent of Elona, Land of the Golden Sun. It is a nation comprised of three great provinces; The island province of Istan is the home of a vibrant people who live among the monuments of an ancient empire. The military province of Kourna, under the command of its great leader, Warmarshal Varesh, hugs the shores of the mighty river Elon. And in the rugged lands to the north, the Princes of Vabbi rule from their opulent citadels. Elona is a land of wealth and power, protected by its champions, the Order of the Sunspears. In Guild Wars Nightfall, Elona has fallen under the shadow of an evil, outcast god. Against the encroaching desolation of an infernal realm, the people of Elona will need more than a hero to save them, they will need a hero to lead them. . .for nightfall is at hand.

Now re-read the part about how Elona has fallen under the shadow of an evil outcast god.

No more need for speculation :wink: Sorry if that ruined your fun :embarassed:

the forests wisper

02-08-2006, 14:46

i think it will be drumm becasue it fits with my theory of joint champains!
think about it.
if greth wooped a god who being godly cant be killed then the chances are he was banished into the depths of the UW. were did shiro go? my bet for his sin he was banished into the depths of the underworld to do his envoy stuff there with the most horrible ppl.

on the note of the depths of the UW isnt there a quest there were u have to help a reaper get people out of the depths coz the dydras put them in?
didnt i say that the dydres might be part of his new army?

sorry to go on again about the cross campain theory but the more i look the more it makes likely!

ty all

Gmr Leon

02-08-2006, 15:25

Just something I thought I would point out. It says a power-mad king/evil outcast god,but it specifically tells us who leads each province.

The island province of Istan is the home of a vibrant people who live among the monuments of an ancient empire. The military province of Kourna, under the command of its great leader, Warmarshal Varesh, hugs the shores of the mighty river Elon. And in the rugged lands to the north, the Princes of Vabbi rule from their opulent citadels.

The only province they seem to have not mentioned the leader of was the island province of Istan. Then again if there are Princes,there must be Kings,right?

Quintus Antonius

02-08-2006, 16:51

Unless they are a Principality (specifically a country ruled by a prince).

Also, I still think it's more evidence pointing towards Dhuum. It never said that Menzies is an "outcast" god, it simply says he is the god of destruction and wants Balthazar's job. Sounds more like sibling rivalry (as he is the half-brother of Balthazar) than an outcast god rising to power. Dhuum was specifically cast out by Grenth, and hasn't been seen since. He was literally booted out of his job and cast down. In other words, Dhuum is an outcast.

Furthermore, TAOS research during the Dragon Festival, as well as TAOS expeditions into the UW and ToPKs have shown, beyond debate, that all these places are being beseiged by the same force, known for now as the Chaos Army. Dhuum's tower was built on the Chaos Planes in the Underworld where his horsemen still roam. In addition, the name of the commander of the forces in the ToPKs is named "The Darkness" showing a direct link between "darkness" and "chaos", meaning they may be the same.

There is strong evidence pointing to Dhuum at this point. Unless Menzies has somehow managed to gain control of the Chaos Army and Dhuum insugency in the UW, I don't think it is him. That said, it's possible some other unknown outcast god has simply taken the reigns of the Chaos Army in Dhuum's sted, but at this point in time, we have nothing to back that up.

My friends, it appears Dhuum has returned.

Shokk Mjollnir

02-08-2006, 23:32

What I'm wondering is , assuming the new god is Dhuum, if that we'll actually have to KILL Dhuum, or banish him for that matter, or if we'll simply have to battle the Chaos Army and it's generals (personally im hoping for a dervish that form shifts into an Avatar of Dhuum)

Quintus Antonius

02-08-2006, 23:39

I think people are confusing the "new" god(s) of the paragon and dervish with the "outcast" god. I doubt they are the same.

Docho

03-08-2006, 01:09

The river god or the sun god, etc can all be attributed back to the 5 Old Gods. Remember they say each continent has a different view towards the Old Gods?

There's no need to introduce a new god for everything.

I disagree, if the Elon is so important as the Nile was , it could (and will probably)be considered as the source of all of the things that exist (plants, their own lives(they are dependent on it for agriculture) , animals,...). In Elonian eyes it could be considered as 'the creator of all things' and thus the god that is responsible for 'creation', where Dhuum could possibly be his contrary.

But it is only a theory/assumption.

Trojan

03-08-2006, 01:24

Remember, you can destroy something without killing it.

After reading all the evidence, the only conclusion I can come to is this;
Dhuum is back, and he's rather angry.

lavenbb

03-08-2006, 01:35

I disagree, if the Elon is so important as the Nile was , it could (and will probably)be considered as the source of all of the things that exist (plants, their own lives(they are dependent on it for agriculture) , animals,...). In Elonian eyes it could be considered as 'the creator of all things' and thus the god that is responsible for 'creation', where Dhuum could possibly be his contrary.

But it is only a theory/assumption.

Sounds like Dwayna to me :)

Anyway, I wouldn't even suggest that Elon is as important to Elona as Nile was to Egypt. There's just absolutely no proof, and the only basis for the assumption was that Anet said they would take real life cultures into the game, and it so happens that Egypt fits the description of nightfall.

On the other hand, even if the river Elon was indeed super important to Elona, who said the river would symbolize life? Maybe if certain rituals aren't performed the river would flood and kill everyone instead? That would put it into Grenth's name, God of water and death.

ShadowReapr

03-08-2006, 02:42

While I reckon it will most inevitably be Dhuum, I would never rule Menzies out. From what I've seen, Menzies is what could be considered a Lucifer-style God. I could be wrong, but I think I remember one of the NPCs in Fissure of Woe mentioned how Menzies was cast down.

Gmr Leon

03-08-2006, 03:52

Why do I get the feeling we're going to get to meet some gods/goddesses in Elona? Grenth and Dhuum facing off at the end of the Nightfall campaign would be quite...different for GW and the entire community.

Then again I may be wrong and we the players take him down,but...eh...cliche wins over all in the end.

Quintus Antonius

03-08-2006, 06:07

It certainly would be awesome if they had some cinematic final battle similar to the battles between the Ancients at the end of Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem.

Unknown Hatred

03-08-2006, 09:55

ShadowSword

03-08-2006, 10:09

As for the Dervish and Paragon skill names, that's more likely to be down to demi-gods, heroes or skill creators (like the Ritualist skills) I hardly see them adding two new Gods.

So Dhumm is back and we must stop him...well it's an old plot but hey it's a dark god so that excuses it. I see more plot opportunities indeed, though not as many as Proph. However there's not much about this that is a great mystery. Shadow armies? Check. Dark God? Check. Evl ritual to bring bac kGod or otherwise be troublesome? Probable check.

lavenbb

03-08-2006, 10:31

Pfft..the new god is probably Evenie..half the dervish skills are named after this 'god', which makes logical sense as other professions have the gods in their skill names:

Grenths Balance
Balthazars Aura
Light Of Dwanya
Melandru's Shot

etc etc etc.

Eh.. I cannot find the word Evenie anywhere in the Dervish skill list.. Did you mean Eremite?

er·e·mite
n.
A recluse or hermit, especially a religious recluse.
-from Dictionary.com

Scathelock

03-08-2006, 12:00

I'm guessing that he means "Evennia", our classy Krytan chick who survived to rebuild the Shining Blade after Defending Denravi.

Do you guys think that most of this Fallen God's activities will be above ground (in the mortal realm), or in the Underworld (or Fissure of Woe)? ... Well, I guess the question is moot, since we know that there will be plenty of outdoor Savannas and coastlines, but I guess I was trying to picture a mostly-underground map. Maybe something like a mapped-out, deeper version of Sorrow's Furnace, an entire world buried in a massive cataclysm...

... shoot, now I'm just talking about Orr.

Anyway... Do you guys have any speculations on this dark god's background? What made him evil, how he came to power in the first place, perhaps a less-than-cliche motive to come out of the shadows and take over the world?

the forests wisper

03-08-2006, 12:57

Anyway... Do you guys have any speculations on this dark god's background? What made him evil, how he came to power in the first place, perhaps a less-than-cliche motive to come out of the shadows and take over the world?

i think if its durmm his motive would be revenge on grenth and the inhabitance of elonia who forgot him. i suppose he might a bit miffed that he could have been locked in the UW for a long long time.

if its menzie then i bet hes still after bathazars job but hes decided to lay a seige in the mortla relm to stop bathazar getting help. anyone eles see a siege on the new TOA? would make it intresting PvE mish or quest.

if this new god does have an army what do you think it will consist off?

my ideas are:

Warrs: grasping ghouls and the ghost rider things
mesmers: grasps of insanity
elles: terrorweb dydres
monk: probably some kind of grasp of insanity looking thing
ranger: no idea lol probly a dydre
necro: will be a insanity look again
sins: definity a new dydre type
rits: probably a grasping ghoul in a shaman outfit lol
derv: the screen shot in another forum is probably a pic of an enemy dev in god mode. looks kinda like a fallen angel
para: will be the generals of the army and look like some thing weve never seen before

Docho

03-08-2006, 13:07

Anyway, I wouldn't even suggest that Elon is as important to Elona as Nile was to Egypt. There's just absolutely no proof, and the only basis for the assumption was that Anet said they would take real life cultures into the game, and it so happens that Egypt fits the description of nightfall.

Of course I can be completely wrong, but why would Anet mention the Elon in the press release if it wasn't important at all?
It must have some sort of importance for Nightfall or else they wouldn't mention it...

Lord Neff

03-08-2006, 13:26

New Skill Names and thier "real world meanings":

Eremite's Attack and Eremite's Zeal ~
Definition: In the early Christian Church, people who retired from society to devote themselves to spirituality were known as eremites. Eremites are also known as hermits or anchorites. Eremites were generally also ascetics.
Also Known As: hermits, ascetics, anchorites.

Pious Restoration, Assault, Haste, Renewal, and Concentration ~

Definition:

Having or exhibiting religious reverence; earnestly compliant in the observance of religion; devout. See Synonyms at religious (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=religious).

Marked by conspicuous devoutness: a pious and holy observation.
Marked by false devoutness; solemnly hypocritical: a pious fraud.
Devotional: pious readings.
Professing or exhibiting a strict, traditional sense of virtue and morality; high-minded.
Commendable; worthy: a pious effort.
So basicly the Dervsh are people who are extremely devoted to the 5 Major Gods. That is why they have the 5 avatar skills. The Paragon has no skills relating to any of the Gods. This means that neither of the 2 new professions have anything to do with the new God.

I agree with other posts that Dhuum is the best canadiate and that Menzies could be in league with him ie Darkness and Chaos.

Reaper of the Chaos Planes (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Reaper_of_the_Chaos_Planes):
"Before the time of Grenth, when death was ruled by a cruel and unjust god, there stood a tower and a throne on this very plain. But Grenth rose up and destroyed the one called Dhuum and shattered down his tower, leaving only these storms of chaos as a reminder of the power that once held dominion here. My vigil over these lands was broken for a time, and I can feel a resurgence of the old taint. Four horsemen approach, riders of Dhuum. Destroy them before they can reclaim this place and throw the underworld into chaos!"

Ranger Nietzsche

03-08-2006, 22:01

you have to remember that we havent seen all of the skills of the Dervish yet. There were only 60 in the preview and if history is a precedent then there will be 75.

Those additional 15 skills may include the avatar of a new god

lavenbb

03-08-2006, 22:47

Of course I can be completely wrong, but why would Anet mention the Elon in the press release if it wasn't important at all?
It must have some sort of importance for Nightfall or else they wouldn't mention it...

because you're suppose to read the next paragraph in that same post

On the other hand, even if the river Elon was indeed super important to Elona, who said the river would symbolize life? Maybe if certain rituals aren't performed the river would flood and kill everyone instead? That would put it into Grenth's name, God of water and death.

but that's moot anyway, now that they revealed the fact that Elon is indeed a complete rip off of river Nile..

Goldfish God

03-08-2006, 23:35

Those additional 15 skills may include the avatar of a new god
and even maybe some elites outside Mysticism :huh:

Docho

04-08-2006, 00:36

but that's moot anyway, now that they revealed the fact that Elon is indeed a complete rip off of river Nile..

(You read the scribe you mean?)

Like I thought,

Kourna borders the vast Crystal Desert, and thus depends on a man-made irrigation system that brings water from the magnificent Elon River. The Elon River is essentially the only life source in an otherwise arid wasteland, enriching the soil and nurturing the land with its annual flooding

From The Scribe #9

I simply suspected this because the things reporters said about Elona looking like Egypt and the fact that Anet mentions the Elon... it was inevitable.

Too be honest I'm really bothered by the fact that they create fantasy-worlds that look like civilazations that really existed. (Tyria= Europe, Cantha= A mix of Asian Cultures and Elona= A mix of North-Africa and Middle-Eastern)

Gmr Leon

04-08-2006, 00:40

I actually like that they recreate ancient worlds with GW-esque additions to it. Especially with Nightfall because then we get to see what a place like Babylon might have looked like..

Trojan

04-08-2006, 00:43

Kourna borders the vast Crystal Desert...

Guess we now know where Elona is...

Poisoned Hunter

04-08-2006, 01:18

Okay, so I was reading this all and something amazing for Nightfall came to my mind. This only applies if:
- The New God is Dhuum.
OR
- The New God is Menzie.
OR
- The New God is Somewhat something of either Dhuum and Menzie.

If the new God is Dhuum:

Well the first thing is obvious that during gameplay we would get to know more about this God.
After you have beat all missions (only 1 left), you go talk to the Elonians (like glint) and they tell you that they managed to discover how they can defeat this evil God.
This is it you go to this portal and gets you to a town/outpost called The Underworld. This is the last mission of the game.
The Underworld obviously is exactly the same as The Underworld in Prophecies.
At last, at the end of the mission Dhuum will appear and you must defeat him.
You start *tickling* him when finally he uses a monster-only skill; Call of Death or something and all of you die but in all of a sudden Dwayna appears and saves you from death. Melandru and Lyssa also helps. Strangely Balthazar doesn't appear.
Dhuum starts talking some stuff (you know normal stories stuff such as haha I will kill you all etc...)
But all of a sudden Grenth appears and says the other things such as: "Don't be so foolish. You have to do business with me!"
And Conversation goes on...
At this time (still in movie scene) a dozen of Dhuum forces appears and Grenth's call his.
This is it; the Final Battle: Dhuum VS Grenth
And yeah pretty much you just have to enjoy the wonderful film.

But what:

If the new God is Menzie:

Well the first thing is obvious that during gameplay we would get to know more about this God.
After you have beat all missions (only 1 left), you go talk to the Elonians (like glint) and they tell you that they managed to discover how they can defeat this evil God.
This is it you go to this portal and gets you to a town/outpost called The Fissure of Woe. This is the last mission of the game. And ye there is a armor crafter who can craft you FoW Armor.
The Fissure of Woe obviously is exactly the same as The Fissure of Woe in Prophecies.
At last, at the end of the mission Menzie will appear and you must defeat him.
You start *tickling* him when finally he uses a monster-only skill; Death Sweep or something and all of you die but in all of a sudden Dwayna appears and saves you from death. Melandru and Lyssa also helps. Strangely Grenth doesn't appears.
Menzie starts talking some stuff (you know normal stories stuff such as haha I will kill you all etc...)
But all of a sudden Balthazar appears and says the other things such as "You won't do the same thing you've did ages ago Menzie. I'm here to stop you!" And Conversation goes on...
At this time (still in movie scene) a dozen of Menzie forces appears and Balthazar calls his.
This is it; the Final Battle: Menzie VS Balthazar
And yeah pretty much you just have to enjoy the wonderful film.

And what:

If the new God is something of both Dhuums' and Menzies':

Sorry but I didn't think about this.
But let me jsut say that they join forces so do Grenth and Balthazar and etc...

PS: The Whole Story of Menzie is similiarly to that of Dhuums'.

Thank you for taking your time reading.

ShadowReapr

04-08-2006, 01:53

Wow, I really should read the Scribe more often - we can assume now that the world of Tyria largely resembles that of Earth, and that the Crystal Desert must - by logic that it is largely uninhabitable but south of it is gradually more habitable - be on the equator.

That leaves a few new options for chapter 4 - the New World, or East Europe. Or something that shatters our perception of the Tyrian world.

Ranger Nietzsche

04-08-2006, 02:06

Quintus Antonius

04-08-2006, 03:33

hexal

04-08-2006, 07:05

Wow, I really should read the Scribe more often - we can assume now that the world of Tyria largely resembles that of Earth, and that the Crystal Desert must - by logic that it is largely uninhabitable but south of it is gradually more habitable - be on the equator.
Everyone knows the equator is generally a hot place. But hot does not always mean dry. Take a look at a map that shows all the major deserts of the world. They are either above or below the equator. Take Australia for example. The majority of the country is desert, but we aren't on the equator. Er...yeah, I think that's about it. :brainiac:

lavenbb

04-08-2006, 09:10

How do we know Cantha is in the Northern Hemisphere?

Also, regardless of where something is, you are thinking to much in terms of Earth. If the planet of Tyria is tilted on it's axis, or has poles in different locations than Earth, then it throws all our thinking out of wack.

Having 4 seasons could be enough proof that the planet of Tyria is at least similar to Earth I think. Not saying it's absolute, but there's little reason to believe otherwise..

But then there's an inconsistency regarding the seasons. On the manuscript it does a "air -> flame -> water -> earth" cycle. But on the winter's day event it was going from water -> air.. dunno why..

Quintus Antonius

04-08-2006, 16:19

Actually, having four seasons doesn't necessarily mean Cantha is in the Northern Hemisphere, it could be in a identical place in the Southern Hemisphere, and have four seasons.

As for deserts, they usually are on or near the tropic lines. On Earth those would be the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn.

But we are dragging this off-topic now, as the locale of the continents doesn't effect the old or new gods.

the forests wisper

04-08-2006, 16:53

i think adding a season cycle into the game that goes with the seasons in the really world would be good. anet would have to put them in depending on region for countrys like australia, but other than that it shouldnt be that hard.

anyone eles want to see the maguma in fall? lol

anyways back on the thread topic now.

the news that elonia is connected to the crystal dessert throws a few things out but it attualy makes alot of scence i suppose.
if you think about it the elonians would have come to the dessert to be come asscended but aslo to go to orr and see were the gods left tyria so i guess that this new god had a staue there just like toa would have been. it might have ben hidden in the under part of orr were lich (which supports my earlyer theory) went when he blew it up into lots of smaller islands!

again we can see that anets story team have got there heads screwed on!

do you guys think that the main enemy type will be grasps and stuff like that?

Gordon Michael

05-08-2006, 14:19

I agree with laven. For things such as elements, there is no need to introduce new gods, and the Old Gods will probably be "Elonized" just like they were "Canthized" in in Factions. We know that the Elonians worship the original Old Gods because they sent a colony to the Crystal Desert to Ascend and complete the Flameseeker Prophecies, which also suggests the nation of Elona was aware of Glint (oh the implications).
Except water.

What I'm wondering is , assuming the new god is Dhuum, if that we'll actually have to KILL Dhuum, or banish him for that matter, or if we'll simply have to battle the Chaos Army and it's generals (personally im hoping for a dervish that form shifts into an Avatar of Dhuum)
I hope you don't actually fight him. If beating up the gods was easy the Mursaat would've done it themselves. I am, however, okay with the last boss being the Dhuum's level 30+ avatar, or an enemy dervish that uses a monster-only form skill. Speaking of the Mursaat, they appear to have left behind some armor in the Crystal Desert, and I wouldn't be surprised if Nightfall has Mursaat or some earthbound, unascended proto-Mursaat (assuming the Mursaat ascended) in Dhuum's army (which wouldn't be a spoiler for people who play through Nightfall before Prophecies because they still wouldn't find out that there's Mursaat in Tyria until they reach Glint). It's also possible that Nightfall could have hostile Seers, all we know about them is that they're enemies of the Mursaat and the Titans.

Quintus Antonius

05-08-2006, 16:39

Except water.

I honestly think they could just adapt Melandru for water. After all, she is the goddess of nature, and rivers, water, and all that good life-sustaining stuff is more or less part of nature.

lavenbb

05-08-2006, 19:57

Water magic is attributed to Grenth, this includes vapor blade, maelstorm, mist form, and other non ice related spells.

In GW water is usually associated with coldness. Because cold damage is part of the game's mechanics. They won't suddenly add steam or hot damage for vapor blade "just because".

In the case of the river, it looks like there're quite a few ways to interpret how people view the river itself. If they think life is the most significant aspect, it will be attributed to Dwayna. If they value other things, see the post above.

At this point I do not think they will add another God that serves pretty much the same function with a little difference.

Trojan

05-08-2006, 22:16

It also makes me wonder what the Elonian depictions of the gods would be like.

For all we know, they could depict Grenth with -instead of his beast like/draconian like face seen in Tyria/Cantha- the face of a jackal or an eagle.

Since Elona does seemed to be based off of Egypt just like Cantha was from a mix of eastern countries and Tyria of Europe, the Elonian depiction of the gods could be based on egyptian/middle eastern designs.

Does anyone have any images of the gods from the Crystal Desert areas? Even though it was a colony, they still must of taken their depictions of the gods with them when they left the main kingdom of Elona (unless they changed the look of the gods to that akin to Tyrian depictions when they reached the Crystal Desert).

blue cheez

07-08-2006, 01:43

The "evil" god is the previous god before Grenth, Dumm. We talk about this explaining who sent the monsters to ToPK

The Stiehl

07-08-2006, 21:28

but how about if there could be 1 that masters all

"One Ring to rule them all..."
Hehe, sorry, I'm re-reading LotR at the moment. :laugh:

And I don't think Gaile ever said "there is going to be a new God." But rather said, "How do you know? Maybe it's a God we haven't met yet. ;)" (Forget the exact quote... but that sounds Gaile-ish... it's in one of the recent Frog Logs.)

teh Monkeys

07-08-2006, 22:56

Gaile and the frog are not valid sources for fluff. Not for anything, to be honest. Don't take what she says so seriously.

Quintus Antonius

07-08-2006, 23:24

The Stiehl

08-08-2006, 00:26

Also, I'm tired of LotR references. We've had way too many recently, and I'd like to remind everyone that the game is Guild Wars and actually has very little references to LotR, thank God.

Bah, it's the movies. Makes all these sci-fi fan-boys see 'Rings conspiracy theories' everywhere. I can't help the 'many references.'
And I was referencing his post... not Guild Wars.

Sorry if I'm in a touchy mood, I just got to the part where Gandalf dies. :laugh:

elendil di Camelot

08-08-2006, 00:32

Also, I'm tired of LotR references. We've had way too many recently, and I'd like to remind everyone that the game is Guild Wars and actually has very little references to LotR, thank God.

I'm sure we will find out who the "evil" god is (I think it's Dhuum, personally but could be wrong) and "if" there is a new god for the Dervish and Paragon, which I'm not sure there needs to be, but I hope.

i think that the new god is dhumm ( or a new god)..i don't think that the dervish/paragon will have a personal god.....because:

1) during the PVP event, we saw the dervish skills...he can traform is body into one of the old gods ( melandru, balthazar etc etc)...but he cannot traform is body in a new and unknow god...

2) in the crystal desert, during the last mission 4 the ascension( after the 3 missions in the desert) we can see god's statues during the cinematics...we can see balthazar, melandru,lyssa,grenth,dwayna...

Quintus Antonius

08-08-2006, 00:39

2) in the crystal desert, during the last mission 4 the ascension( after the 3 missions in the desert) we can see god's statues during the cinematics...we can see balthazar, melandru,lyssa,grenth,dwayna...

Irrelevent, the Elonians didn't even make it that far, so that has very little bearing on Elonian culture.

devilsmom

08-08-2006, 05:02

mabe there might be also a assassian rit dervish and the other charr gods all combined or somthin like tat <<

Cirdan Ecthelion

08-08-2006, 05:13

Just to clarify.

Assassin = Lyssa.
Ritualist = Grenth.
Charr worshiped the Titans.

NeferJackal

10-08-2006, 09:36

Just to clarify.

Assassin = Lyssa.
Ritualist = Grenth.
Charr worshiped the Titans.

Not entirely correct. Assasins belongs to Grenth as well. He is the god of death and assasins brings death to the unworthy. And if you note what the first Assasin trainer says in Shing Jea, he says May Grenth bless your blades.

Quintus Antonius

10-08-2006, 17:29

There is te general base god of a profession, and then there is the personal god each member of that profession choose to follow. Sometimes it's the same, sometimes it isn't. So, one individual in game may be following several or no gods.

Divinity Archer

10-08-2006, 19:16

What Cirdan meant was that assassins sometimes follow Lyssa for her intrinsic duality, whatever that means :wink:

Mathuin

10-08-2006, 21:52

What Cirdan meant was that assassins sometimes follow Lyssa for her intrinsic duality, whatever that means :wink:

Actually it's more the illusion -> shadow magic connection, and that Lyssa is also given the attribute of luck (both good and bad) in cantha

Kyso No Oni

10-08-2006, 22:37

Also, I'm tired of LotR references. We've had way too many recently, and I'd like to remind everyone that the game is Guild Wars and actually has very little references to LotR, thank God.

but remember in GW humans have 2 arms 2 legs and a head like LotR, and thers are dwarves which tolkien invented one day not drawing upon any reference to norse mythology what so ever.
I will also remind you that as LotR is the bible no one wore rings before it came out nor did legends or heroes exist before it ws written as it is the ONLY source of legend and history.

/vitrol

do we need an evil god? i mena Stone summit rangers use melendrus arrows.. nature is not good or evil after all. I could probbly say the same for all of the dieties except dwayna.

False Visage

11-08-2006, 10:39

It's probably naive to think that being in a specific proffesion means you only worship one god. Most likely Warriors worship Dwayna, Lyssa, Grenth and Merlandru as well as Balthazar. The gods natures govern areas of everyday life as well.

As an example, a Necromancer may be primarily tied to Grenth for their craft but probably worship Dwayna for creating life; without creation and birth there is no death. They'd probably worship Balthazar to give them fortune in battle, Lyssa to see through the illusions of the living world and Merlandru for the balance between life and death. In this way it is likely that the Necromancer would pay the most homage to Grenth, but also respects the other gods too for their roles in their proffesion.

What I'm trying to say is that the Gods affect parts of the proffesions, not the proffesion as a whole. This is clearly illustrated by the worship of the entire pantheon by Elementalists.

Shazard

12-09-2006, 13:04

Aren't the Titans seem more relate to the fissure of woe kind of creatures?

If the story are supposely tie with the other 2, then the evil god might be Menzies.

Undeads will more likely follow Duhm, but Titans will probably pick Menzie over him.

tomezadas

12-09-2006, 14:15

I agree with most ppl that say the god will be Dhuum , but along the thread i've heard about the skills we saw Pvp dervish, and i must tell, that it isn't logical to think about it, becouse, if Arena.Net does want to take a roll of a new worshipped god, i don't think they would reveal or make it any referances befoure the release, so to do not ruin the surprise, and even if the suposition of being Dhuum the new god, we must remember that its only a suposition, it can be anything, though Dhuum seems me and most of you the most logical choice, Shiro could have destroyed the envoys and returned far more powerful, or a superior titan found a way of passage to Elona, or even Glint turned mad!

It is rather impossible to predict wich god will be, or even if there will be new worshipable gods!

Quintus Antonius

12-09-2006, 16:06

I think that whomever the new god is, he will certainly be rallying the forces of Dhuum and Menzies. I think there is just now doubt that those two will have some hand in this chapter, if not a starring role.

tomezadas

12-09-2006, 17:54

All the hints we have about it point to their return, yes, it very likely that that happens Quintus

Shazard

12-09-2006, 21:49

Or maybe Duhm influence Shiro while Menzie influence the Vizier. Now in Nightfall, another god altogether show up with maybe a hidden alliance with the other 2.....

Смерть

12-09-2006, 22:47

tomezadas

13-09-2006, 00:01

I really doubt that is a god, that's an hero instead, u can figure if its a god for its look, and that look was from a dervish not a god!

I think that we are going to have sum surprise when nightfall comes!

Gmr Leon

13-09-2006, 00:34

I guessing this is not a new god, but maybe a lesser-god/ role-model (heh) or something of the Paragons/ Dervishes?

http://eu.guildwars.com/gallery/view/605/

Or it could be probably what it is, a lovely statue.

Off-topic,but whoa the English site gets more screenshots of Nightfall than the U.S site.

Ixle

13-09-2006, 00:58

Was This (http://gw.gamewikis.org/images/b/b5/Banished_Dream_Rider.JPG) not the creature that was by the exit out of Shing Jea Monestary? A boss in an underworld quest (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/The_Four_Horsemen). Dhuum is my bet, if it is one of the gods in current knowledge.

Kos Luftar

13-09-2006, 01:30

The new screen shots show a huge statue, and it looks like a dervish but hodling a spear not a scythe!

Seyfert

13-09-2006, 01:48

wow the euro site does get more screenshots :(

Durza the Shadeking

13-09-2006, 02:17

Смерть

13-09-2006, 02:24

In my opinion that huge statue seams to be more Paragon in nature then Dervish. And remember Paragons are also supposed to be great Battle Commanders, so maybe this is in one of those commander's honor.

Makes sense, since he is holding a spear. I have (for the time being) decided it is not a new god, but just a nice statue. We see such statues (mammoth ones) in the Crystal desert, ect.

kamekazis

16-09-2006, 10:40

It could be an evil god.... or something as powerful as all 4 gods combined!

This made me cry.

the mighty drazgon

16-09-2006, 11:49

i think the god will be for paragons. and the dervishes mite get an avatar of it. i dont think the god will b for dervishes as they obviously worship em all. thats a point actually, dya think the dervish will av an avatar for it?

Quintus Antonius

16-09-2006, 14:16

Read the information from the bonus CD Ivan provided. The Dervish represents devotion to the "Five True Gods", and the paragon is a "holy warrior". Neither are going to worship the evil god, and it is highly unlikely the "sixth" god will even interact with the players except in hostile ways.

the mighty drazgon

16-09-2006, 14:22

maybe the 6th god is a major part of the story, paragons worship this god but this god is a decietful god and the dervishes of the world know this. i dno maybe some major plot line revolving around the god. maybe even like the big elonian bad guy worships this god, i think it wud b good, and like every1 follows this bad guy cos they think hes good, but the god turns him, and they try to destroy elona. it can be revealed that this god is untrue or something, i think that would be cool anyways. makin a full on evil god is kinda bad, there wud b no point in it reeli.

Quintus Antonius

16-09-2006, 14:30

That's pretty much the storyline right there, drazgon. Fallen god comes back, causes problems, we fight him, we kill him, and learn a lot of lore in the process.

the mighty drazgon

16-09-2006, 14:35

i have no idea about any of the story line lol. so woteva im talkin about is wot im thinkin lol, is there like any outline of the story anywhere?

Quintus Antonius

16-09-2006, 14:38

Almost every topic in the Elonian Lore Forum has something to do with the Nightfall storyline.

http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=421033

Here is a good topic, provided by Ivan, that has some good information for you though.

the mighty drazgon

16-09-2006, 14:43

im not readin all that, lol ill w8 till october 27th

Benovolent Zephyr

16-09-2006, 15:04

hummm....what if there is a plot twist and the evil banished god is acctually good and something else is the cause of all this trouble. I love plot twists I hope theres a very compacated one when the game comes out.

Quintus Antonius

16-09-2006, 15:29

I doubt a god who's refered to as Abaddon, which is also the name of the angel of destruction unleashed from Hell in the Tribulation, will actually be good.

Benovolent Zephyr

16-09-2006, 15:44

well a plot twist just would be nice for me
however just because you are named for destruction does not mean that you are evil. The Grim Reaper, for example, is neutral and does not take commands from either side. Destruction is a part of life, just as birth is, an natural order for the world to run smoothly. Not that I wouldn't say that this new god is evil and a force of malevolence, but time will tell the truth.

and yes I do contradict myself plenty of times Y.Y

Смерть

19-09-2006, 15:14

I doubt a god who's refered to as Abaddon, which is also the name of the angel of destruction unleashed from Hell in the Tribulation, will actually be good.

Lol, that phrasing reminded me of 'Pirates of the Caribbean".

You mean, you saw black ship, wid' black sails, crewed by the d*****, so evil that H**** itself would not take them... (paraprhased).

-I myself am very interested to see how the storyline of the Realms of Chaos play out. I think we could gleam some good information on how the powers of the gods are controlled, more on the state of GWs purgatory, ect. Hearing that the Realm of Chaos (or whatever its called) is almost immpossible to map, I am having flash-backs to the Arcane Sanctum in Diablo II (sorry if this is getting off-subject). From what I have read from ppl posting the PCgamer, it is said that the Realm of Chaos is in another plain of existence (or something like unto it).

Were the UW and FoW cut into its own "universe and time"? If not, it sounds like the place where the outcast god is coming from, may be our first encounter with such.

-From the screenshots of the new-player island, it looks like the presence of the outcast god is already at the doorstep. With those black horn spirals you see jutting through buildings and landscapes.