Elite missions and 2x loot for all! (this weekend) [Archive]

Devilish Evangelist

31-07-2006, 19:55

Laughing Man

31-07-2006, 19:56

How wonderful, shame I'll be at Otakon..

Avatus Culire

31-07-2006, 19:57

:D
8 more letters....

Traynor Dragonblade

31-07-2006, 20:00

Looks like I won't get the chance to try them yet...

...I'll be at a wedding this weekend....

...my own!!:shocked: :sunny: :shocked:

shadow the hero

31-07-2006, 20:04

...I'll be at a wedding this weekend....

...my own!! Congrats!, Traynor

Killer of good

31-07-2006, 20:15

I am gonna say this what about my guild and the guilds in the alliance i am in the own cavalon or the kurzik alliance that owns House. What do they get from this?

ChaoticCoyote

31-07-2006, 20:37

I am gonna say this what about my guild and the guilds in the alliance i am in the own cavalon or the kurzik alliance that owns House. What do they get from this?

Fewer people cursing your names? :grin:

lavenbb

31-07-2006, 20:49

Maybe it was worth it to scream in forums afterall :shocked:

Let's see what other plans do they have.

dreary79

31-07-2006, 21:07

what are elite missions?

Gnave

31-07-2006, 21:22

Actualy its un-promoting farming. After all its a weekend where it will be MUCH easier to get rare skins just by playing through the missions. This will make the prices on them plumet. And this is most likely like a beta-ish thing, they may do this every mounth or so, making price fall permenently.

Doyle

31-07-2006, 21:28

Yay for something special for the PVE'ers for a change.

And congrats, Traynor!

Zilken Zatin

31-07-2006, 21:33

Congrats Traynor :)

Have a good day :)

Spoil of War

31-07-2006, 21:37

This is a great idea! Shame I'll be working most of the weekend though >.<

Skye Marin

31-07-2006, 21:43

NPC in Kaineng Center.

That sound you hear is the sound of 10,000 L17 Assassins who's hearts have been ripped to shreds by the first tier of Kanaxais.

mbourgon

31-07-2006, 21:49

So, do "drops" include chests or not?

Cerulean Niteshadow

31-07-2006, 21:56

I am glad this is happening, but why now? Why did it take 3 months to do this and only for 1 weekend?

If I an correct this will be the 4th weekend in a row that something special is happening, is it possible that Anet is trying to maintain interest in the game until Nightfall releases?

Anyway, I will finally get to try them, as I refuse to beg in Cavalon & zu Heltzer to get in.

Zingeri

31-07-2006, 21:58

"Drops" likely includes the green drops from the end-boss (i.e. 6 people get items) and the rate of Gold item drops will be doubled. (which isn't saying much). I doubt they would double the amount of items obtained from chests,

Anyways, with respect to the effect of the event on the missions themselves, this is bad, very bad.

I normally play Elite Missions as my Ritualist, as a Ritual Lord (since, well, I wrote the damn guide on how to play one (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=406603) and I can play it better than most HoH teams. :grin:)

However, I've probably played Urgoz....maybe 10 times or so total with PuGs (since I'm not in a guild anymore (due to the poetic irony that everyone in my previous guild/alliance was unskilled), finding a good group is quite difficult.)

Out of those 10 or so times...only ONE group made it past the first few rooms...and only 2 people besides me in the group spoke English.

Every other PuG has W/Mos with Frenzy and Mending, with no Glads Defense, Monks without Heal Party, Nukers without Meteor Shower, Renewal or Echo (and use Fire Storm/Searing Heat), and so on.

Now the the Elite Mission is available to EVERYONE (why the heck are they putting the NPC in Kaieng Center?), there will be even more bad players. It's going to be impossible to find a skilled PuG.

This event is likely a test to see the popularity of opening the Elite Missions to everyone. (think PVPX).

Anyways, if you need a Ritual Lord, please, for the love of Grenth, invite me. (Syria Metaphysical)

Cérilia

31-07-2006, 22:03

Hum... I won't be here... Too bad!

Jugalator

31-07-2006, 22:14

It's not a good sign.
Anet promotes farming? If I get it right, they never have event like this. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
I remember they do have double faction for PvP last year. And after that, they leave that double faction forever...

Personally, I hope this last forever. Everyone can enter the elite mission.

However, it also means that Anet's intention fail -- to draw PVEers to PVP and to let the "more skillfully played" players to have their own special reward.
Or maybe they just do it to make PvE fans happy and more of a chance to try the Elites. :p Just a thought from a guy not thinking hard about causes and conspiracies. ;) It doesn't seem to me like ANet's intentions are to draw PvE to PvP. They've been working with Chapter 3 in parallel with Chapter 2, and already said it's going to be PvE focused because Chapter 2 was a bit extra about PvP with Alliance Battles, Alliances, and the likes. The most profitable way would be to try please both populations, and I'm sure ANet understand that.

I am glad this is happening, but why now? Why did it take 3 months to do this and only for 1 weekend?

If I an correct this will be the 4th weekend in a row that something special is happening, is it possible that Anet is trying to maintain interest in the game until Nightfall releases?
Perhaps, or perhaps because they know many have more spare time to play in the first place during summer vacations, or perhaps because of coincidence. As for the 1 weekend thing, well it's pretty much standard event duration for ArenaNet all since the public beta weekends, so it doesn't come as a surprise here.

Killer of good

31-07-2006, 22:14

Still sucks that the people who wroked hard to own cavalon gets nothing :(.

CarbonBasedLifeform

31-07-2006, 22:16

Yeah well this proves Anet's flawed Alliance system.

Time to go sell your greens at inflated prices now before they drop after this weekends event.

Drec Sutal

31-07-2006, 22:21

Still sucks that the people who wroked hard to own cavalon gets nothing :(.

What do you mean they get nothing? They get their name on the town, still, and they've made millions of gold in tips... Unlike TC and Keys which both forbade asking for tips and opened the deep as a public service.

Anyway, if anyone says anything about this making it harder to find good groups... bah, I've ranted on this too many times before. Use your alliance groups, or don't go, or don't complain. Nobody makes you go to these missions.

Aurora Rana

31-07-2006, 22:27

SWEEETT!!! now ive got a reason 2 try the elite missions!!!!

CyanBoy

31-07-2006, 22:32

Looks like I won't get the chance to try them yet...

...I'll be at a wedding this weekend....

...my own!!:shocked: :sunny: :shocked:

Cant you like... cancel it?:huh:

rangerjon

31-07-2006, 22:35

Eh? I'm not trying to be a party pooper but this event prooves nothing except 1 thing. It's only allowing us to get those rare uberskins (which personally I want to get). But if everyone is getting them, they're going to be worthless.

"Unique Items" you say? I have this wild idea that they might introduce some nice green items that are only obtainable through the weekend. Maybe some Shiro skinned daggers (to those guys in the assassin forum) or completely new skins?

And still, these are elite missions, so you still might be able to get Kanaxai/Urgoz items, and maybe, those items still might be on the top of the list?

Congrats Traynor! :smiley:

Oh, and CyanBoy? It's just a game, I'd rather get married too.

ArmageddonsAngel

31-07-2006, 22:39

I think those that are complaining about the upcoming weekend are overreacting just a tad. I see nothing wrong with everyone being able to experience the elite missions for a couple days. The GW economy is not going to crash due to a couple days of overfarming in those areas. If all people are concerned about is how much they can sell their green items for, I think you need to find a new aspect of the game to enjoy...get over it.

As for owning Cavalon, ok, you worked hard to get it. I'm sure you'll maintain ownership over the weekend and sharing it for a couple days won't kill you...lol. This is after all...A GAME.

P.S. Congrats Traynor

suikoden

31-07-2006, 22:44

Owning house and cavalon is for bragging rights , so brag away :laughing:

katya

31-07-2006, 22:44

The Dragon Festival also saw an increased drop rate. That was great, did not unbalance the economy or indicate in any way shape or size (As some posters here have suggested) that ArenaNet favours farming.

All it tells me is that they're giving all players a chance to have some fun in the Elite Missions. Which is delightfully cool and has suddenly resulted in me being glued to my laptop for this weekend.

Traynor, congratulations man! I hope you have a lovely day, that the first dance goes swimmingly and that everything you've dreamed of for it comes true!

Killer of good

31-07-2006, 22:47

Owning house and cavalon is for bragging rights , so brag away :laughing:

Yay I own calvalon!

Nope din't make it better

shadow the hero

31-07-2006, 22:47

Cant you like... cancel it? And Stand against One of most Dangerous and fearsome Creatures in the World?..... BAd idea :S

Shanaeri Rynale

31-07-2006, 23:05

Now all we need is a favor free day, where people can join Fow/UW teams from whatever region they're from. Be a nice change for Japan who has never had it in like 6 months..

Scutilla

31-07-2006, 23:19

Yay, us PvEers get a weekend now! :sunny:

what are elite missions?
Elite Missions are extremely challenging missions given to the alliances currently in control of House zu Heltzer and Cavalon. They involve 12-man groups, are extremely long, and are two of the biggest PvE challenges in Guild Wars. Not for the faint of heart :wink:

Now the the Elite Mission is available to EVERYONE (why the heck are they putting the NPC in Kaieng Center?), there will be even more bad players. It's going to be impossible to find a skilled PuG.
This is my concern- while this may finally get me to try them out, I have a sinking feeling that my first experiences are are going to be with bad groups. Not to mention my character builds aren't exactly popular with PUGs- a beastmaster, an offense-based warrior, an aeromancer, and an assassin- I'll probably end up having to use my MM or my monk :undecided:

Cant you like... cancel it?:huh:
Hmm, I can just imagine how that would go... "Hey honey, you know that weekend we set our wedding for... well it turns out ArenaNet's holding a big PvE event that weekend, so I'll probably be gaming the whole time... mind if we cancel it?"

Marlow Fireblood

31-07-2006, 23:27

So there have been dozens of threads and hundreds of posts in these forums begging ANet to open up the elite areas so that everyone can enjoy them.

ANet make this happen and still no-one's happy?

Ok, so you own Cavalon - you'll still own it on Monday, and now even more people will want taxis to keep on playing! Does it really bug you that much that some players who aren't in a top-end alliance get to have a go too?

And on the other hand, yes it's only for one weekend, but so what? Means you won't struggle to get a group! Why not enjoy the opportunity, thank ANet, and encourage them to make it a regular event.

So... thanks ANet for this special event - I for one am looking forward to a weekend of high-end PVE action! :heart:

DrD

31-07-2006, 23:27

If you got any of the Greens or Zod Weapons from the mission sell them NOWWWWWWW

qendadar

31-07-2006, 23:34

ALthough the Con = more newer players in the elite missions leading to a rise in the number of failures...
the Pro = more newer players LEARNING (for those that are capable of learning) the strategies required for the elite missions

Zingeri

31-07-2006, 23:38

This is my concern- while this may finally get me to try them out, I have a sinking feeling that my first experiences are are going to be with bad groups. Not to mention my character builds aren't exactly popular with PUGs- a beastmaster, an offense-based warrior, an aeromancer, and an assassin- I'll probably end up having to use my MM or my monk :undecided: The irony is that MMs are crap in Elite Missions. :cool:

Jasmo

01-08-2006, 00:07

I'll put my two cents on this: FINALLY!

Like i said more than once game content shouldn't be locked away from players. If the Elite Missions are supposed to be Elite then the Eliteness should come from the completion of the mission and not from the right to do it.

My only regret with the PvE weekend is that its only lasting 2 days. Those missions should be unlocked for everyone to enjoy especially since they're the only end-game zone of Faction. Maybe Anet will finally start to let of go of their Mix PvE with PvP attitude. PvE and PvP are two different games and thats it. People who PvE wanna PvE thos who PvP wanna PvP.

FoW/UW and the Elite Missions are end-game zones that should be unlocked permanently. It would be easier to find groups, and just funnier to enjoy it whenever you want. Not when someone unlock it in PvP. As if FoW had ever been a good reason to claim the hall of Heroes.

oldmantime

01-08-2006, 00:22

Yay, us PvEers get a weekend now!

Elite Missions are extremely challenging missions given to the alliances currently in control of House zu Heltzer and Cavalon. They involve 12-man groups, are extremely long, and are two of the biggest PvE challenges in Guild Wars. Not for the faint of heart

that's the ANET description, here's mine:

urgoz: a horrible affair because every group that forms is b/p or trapping both of which cause me to yawn so hard my jaw falls off and bounces across the floor. when you finally get to urgoz all you do is plonk down EOE and run around like a headless chicken til he's dead and curse because some undeserving noob in your party gets 2/3 bows :tongue:

the deep: quite fun, reasonably challenging throughout.

and the biggest pve challenge is the underworld it takes about twice as long as both of the missions and is a HELL of a lot harder (i STILL havent been able to get the four horsemen done depsite clearing the place completely a good few times). Full fissure clearance is also probably harder, the elite missions are a lot less elite than the name suggests :laugh:

anyway back on topic, stop messing around ANET, open them properly, we should have had access from the start (or in place of that we should have had SOME high level dungeon area mission thingys with factions and let the alliances that are losing millions a day in jade/amber keep control of them)

congrats to the guy who is getting married btw :afro:

SerenitySilverstar

01-08-2006, 00:28

The irony is that MMs are crap in Elite Missions. :cool:

Not if played properly.

oldmantime

01-08-2006, 00:29

no, they are :cool:

Смерть

01-08-2006, 00:36

Yay. Sounds like a lot of fun. We had PvP weekend before PvP Nightfall weekend. Now we are getting the PvE weekend out of the way for... (though I am pretty sure "that" weekend will be closer to an initial release).

I know where I am going to be this weekend ^^.

Lady Argent

01-08-2006, 00:41

Looks like I won't get the chance to try them yet...

...I'll be at a wedding this weekend....

...my own!!

I suppose we can forgive you for being away that weekend, Traynor.:wink:
From the response I'm already seeing from our alliance, we're going to be out there in force this weekend!

I normally play Elite Missions as my Ritualist, as a Ritual Lord (since, well, I wrote the damn guide on how to play one (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=406603) and I can play it better than most HoH teams. :grin:)

However, I've probably played Urgoz....maybe 10 times or so total with PuGs (since I'm not in a guild anymore (due to the poetic irony that everyone in my previous guild/alliance was unskilled), finding a good group is quite difficult.)

Out of those 10 or so times...only ONE group made it past the first few rooms...and only 2 people besides me in the group spoke English.

And Zingeri, you're welcome to give me a shout over the weekend. We'll probably have a space or two in one of our teams that we can squeaze an unguilded player into.

Adaera

01-08-2006, 01:12

I think this is so cool for those of us who haven't had the opportunity to go into the Elite Missions yet, thank you A.net :D

sidenote: congrats Traynor, best wishes for a very happy future with your bride :)

Traynor Dragonblade

01-08-2006, 01:14

Cant you like... cancel it?

:grin:

A big thanks to all those wishing the best...

....funnily enough I don't think the wrath of Kanaxai, Urgoz, Glint, Rotscale, and Kuunavang going 5 on 1 vs. my Assassin (even in his "super-uber pwnmaster of the universe" starter armor) would compare to that of the bride if I tried to move it :sunny: (Not that I would ever want to of course:wink: )

I would....most definately.....be in desperate needs of rebirthing....

Have fun though for me!! And Thanks once again!!

- Tray

Laughing Man

01-08-2006, 01:29

Smart smart decision. Hell hath no fury like a women scorned.

Xunlai Agent

01-08-2006, 01:36

They had to do this because Factions PvE is just so bad. This is to stop people just dropping everything. Factions is sooo bad and was so poorly executed. Anet had better pray they get Nightfall PvE right or so many PvEers will quit on them and the series...

Samurai Jer

01-08-2006, 01:39

To any/all experienced elite missioner's:

My guild blows, I am the only hardcore player. I've been able to get into a group for Urgoz once before, that lasted about 15 seconds.

I'd very much appreciate getting into a group who knows what needs to be done. I would love to take my Warrior.

Barring that, if there are any tips/builds that you's could suggest for War/x I'd appreciate that almost as much.

IGN- Samurai Jer.

soulstryke

01-08-2006, 01:47

Anet has repeatedly said they understand the monopoly nature of the Elite missions and were going to loosen the restrictions for access to that area; not all Alliances are as generous as others in allowing access.

Still sucks that the people who wroked hard to own cavalon gets nothing :(.

How much of this is "worked hard" versus "worked long"? There is a population that doesn't have the time or the dedicated army of leet PvPers that will forever be denied access to that part of the game - a game they paid as much money for as anyone else.

Samurai Jer

01-08-2006, 01:56

How much of this is "worked hard" versus "worked long"? There is a population that doesn't have the time or the dedicated army of leet PvPers that will forever be denied access to that part of the game - a game they paid as much money for as anyone else.

Well friggin put.

Samurai Jer

01-08-2006, 01:58

Zion Farbow

01-08-2006, 02:01

Imagine..a major server lagg >_>

Cronnie

01-08-2006, 02:08

Hmmm.... this should be cool. My first time in an elite mission :)

You say MM sucks there? :(

Im best playing my necro so will an SS or other necro build work?

Scutilla

01-08-2006, 02:14

ANet make this happen and still no-one's happy?
The first and only rule of both forums and developer-gamer relations is: No matter what, someone will complain :wink:

The irony is that MMs are crap in Elite Missions. :cool:
Ah, thanks for the heads up. Suppose I should put myself down on the list of people volunteering themselves for groups in this thread, with the disclaimer "noobish but willing to learn" :azn:

*heads to the Factions PvE forum for a newbie's guide to Elite Missions* Guess I have some research to do

that's the ANET description, here's mine:

<snip>
Hee, as I said I haven't been down there, so your speaking from personal experience is probably more accurate than my repeating general knowledge.

I agree that UW is the hardest challenge in GW. Not too sure about clearing FoW, since I have done that a couple times. I imagine that the EMs rate after those two, followed by Titan quests, Tomb, and endgame Prophecies missions.

They had to do this because Factions PvE is just so bad. This is to stop people just dropping everything. Factions is sooo bad and was so poorly executed. Anet had better pray they get Nightfall PvE right or so many PvEers will quit on them and the series...
Personal opinion.

halfthought

01-08-2006, 02:16

just wondering, where did you hear this, I checked the site, and nothing

Erasculio

01-08-2006, 02:29

They had to do this because Factions PvE is just so bad. This is to stop people just dropping everything
For the records, I really like Factions PvE, and I think it's a lot more refined, more complete, and more well thought than Prophecies. Nice to see that Arena Net is doing something that we have been asking for some time now.

Erasculio

Gaile

01-08-2006, 02:32

Or maybe they just do it to make PvE fans happy and more of a chance to try the Elites. :p Just a thought from a guy not thinking hard about causes and conspiracies. ;) Thank heavens! I thought all of your positive thinkers had left! :wink: :shocked: :laugh:

Yes, seriously, Jugalator is right: The only reason we're doing this is for fun. No ulterior motive. Just "join in and have a good time." Quite some time ago we mentioned "other means to enter Elite Missions." I'd call this one option, and there may well be other means, someday, too!

(Congrats, Traynor. For your bride: :flowers: )

AshG

01-08-2006, 02:41

I am extremely glad this happenned; my ranger had been sitting in the Warren, as I didn't know anyone to ferry me in after oOo lost control of HZH. It will also give me a chance to show my other guildies why I occasionally turn my mic off and curse like a sailor late at night sometimes.

As for MM not working well in elite missions... I haven't done the Deep, but I know minions don't like the extra -8 degen at certain points in the Warren...

Killer of good

01-08-2006, 03:01

I am not complaing that people shouln't be allowed in i am just saying that owning towns should have something more then just bragging rights and 10-20% cheaper prices (and fire works for some areas). Its Great that anet is allowing everyone in i like the idea but maybe the people who own Cavalon should get cheaper Deep keys or something of the like

Jasmo

01-08-2006, 03:12

Thank heavens! I thought all of your positive thinkers had left! :wink: :shocked: :laugh:

Yes, seriously, Jugalator is right: The only reason we're doing this is for fun. No ulterior motive. Just "join in and have a good time." Quite some time ago we mentioned "other means to enter Elite Missions." I'd call this one option, and there may well be other means, someday, too!

(Congrats, Traynor. For your bride: :flowers: )

Hey Gaile a while ago when you posted the same other means to access thing you said that giving access to elite missions was one of Anet's top priority. Not it seems like the priority as went down and that other means maybe seen someday. Honestly I think we should have a definitive answer about this whole issue. It's not like I don't appreciate the Elite Weekend far from it.

Its just that the community was pretty shocked to realise the whole Factions war fiasco when the game was released and when we asked about a solution it was said one was underway. Now three months later and all we get is one weekend and a "Maybe you'll see something someday". Keep in mind that for many people those answers define wether they'll buy Chapter 3 or not.

So i'll ask for a clear answer once and for all: Does Anet wish to continue on this locked content mentality with the Elite missions or do they plan to unlock em once and for all?

Thank you for your time and your possibly clear answer.

P.S. Also what is happening with the FoW/UW alternate access that was mentionned last year? We haven't heard about this issue in a while.

Erasculio

01-08-2006, 03:17

So i'll ask for a clear answer once and for all: Does Anet wish to continue on this locked content mentality with the Elite missions or do they plan to unlock em once and for all?
Isn't that a bit stubborn? To have either as they are, or fully unlocked to everyone? There are middle ground solutions, one being this weekend.

(Not to mention that, as far as you know, this weekened could be a test to check how this system works, and eventually make it permanent. That's exactly how the current values of Balthazar faction given in PvP were set - we had a special weekend to test the current values, and later the "special weekend" was made permanent.)

Erasculio

oneofthedragon

01-08-2006, 03:20

YES i can't wait for this weekend. I have only actually TRIED the elite missions (only urzog) around 3 times, 2 times the group tried to run from the "suicide bombers", died, and then got mad when i only had 1 res (being a n/e) the 3rd time i wish i had a book "Pulling for dummies" i could through at all 11 of them :laugh:. Needless to say, my expierience in The elite missions have not been good but I am very excited about this weekend. As for people who are getting angry about this (mostly people who own the towns), Maybe a reason Anet is doing this is because, you have been being greedy with the Elite missions. I haven't seen a free taxi (even with tips) for a few weeks. But back on point this should be a fun weekend for all us PVEers and I can't wait!

Killer of good

01-08-2006, 03:30

katya

01-08-2006, 03:32

As a side thought fellow forum goers ... I see Carbonbasedlifeform has posted their team setup (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=413964) for The Deep in the Factions PvE forum.

So while this is all very exciting and we're all looking forward to it, this might be a good opportunity for those of you who are experienced in the Elite Missions to throw a few tips the way of newcomers to the area in preparation for the weekend.

I'm not calling for cookie cutter team builds, but I'm thinking of, you know, giving people an idea of what to expect and so on.

Jasmo

01-08-2006, 03:32

Isn't that a bit stubborn? To have either as they are, or fully unlocked to everyone? There are middle ground solutions, one being this weekend.

(Not to mention that, as far as you know, this weekened could be a test to check how this system works, and eventually make it permanent. That's exactly how the current values of Balthazar faction given in PvP were set - we had a special weekend to test the current values, and later the "special weekend" was made permanent.)

Erasculio

Like you said this weekend can be a test. CAN BE. We don'T have a clear answer. Three months ago the forums on every GW fansite were flaming with elite mission post. A vast majority of posters ( Average of 85% on each poll done) were saying the alliance system and the war between luxon and kurzick was crap. And with crap im staying polite. After two weeks of constant posting and one famous altercation with Gaile (where she menaced of not coming back ever again) we finally got our answer: Within a month or two a alternate way to access Elite Mission was to be devised. Everyone gratzed Anet for finally answering and we patiently waited. After three months impossible to hear any new news of the patch of salvation. Nothing.

Now after three months we get a weekend that promise nothing near a change in the system. A change that was described by gaile as being a number one priority. On top of that we get Gaile saying "Oh yeah maybe someday you'll get it still not sure tought".

Last time we got a message from Gaile saying ity was being fixed everyone STFU because our problem was acknowledged. Everyone as been very patient after Gaile's answer. Now three motnhs later we get something very cryptic and unclear about wether they think about permanent change or not.

Its as simple as that: Im tired of paying for locked content. I played CoH/CoV/ WoW /Lineage. I've never EVER had to deal with a locked zone personnally. Those games all had good end-game I could do and enjoy. Problem is I enjoy GW more than those games. Except that every big challenge in GW is hiddent behind layers of crap and unlock design that clearly dosen't work. The end-game access process as made me look again at those past MMO and made me wonder why I even play GW.

This is why I want a clear answer about this whole thing. If the answer is "NO we do not plan to unlock end-game because you have to be leet and earn it" then I'll know GW is not my game anymore. If I get a "Yes Elite missions are going to be unlock because every GW player should enjoy end-game content and big challenge" then i'll know chapter 3 is mine.

As simple as that. Yes its being stubborn. But you have to understand that there is other game out there I don't mind playing. GW is a very good game and I want to encourage Anet's first game as much as possible. But even being a fan there is so much I can take especially locked end-game content. I hop i made myself clear.

Thank you for reading.

Zingeri

01-08-2006, 04:12

Well reason you havn't seen taxi's in cavalon is because as of now we are sorting out leechers who join the guilds just to ferry. We don't think its fair that people who donate do all the work for people who join just to ferry for money. When we get done sorting out leechers we will allow taxi's for free.Just a question: if you are going to ferry for free, why sort out the leechers? Seems like a win-win situation: more ferries, no problem.

Of course, you have the few idiots who still charge, but that's easily settled with a "which guild is [xxx] in?" and a Whisper to an officer of the guild, then a /gkick. It's worked many times while I was ferrying in the Komalis Protector Alliance. :laugh:

Anyways, I plan on writing a short guide on what works for PuGs for the Elite Missions. I frankly hate that build that kayta linked to...

And thanks to Lady Argent for her offer. :grin:

Zaxares

01-08-2006, 04:19

Interesting. I think I might actually give the elite missions a go this weekend. I got myself a ferry to the two staging areas just to see if they gave me extra % for my Cartographer titles, but they didn't.

katya

01-08-2006, 04:20

Anyways, I plan on writing a short guide on what works for PuGs for the Elite Missions. I frankly hate that build that kayta linked to...

Cool! I've never been to The Deep before so I'm basically clueless there. Any suggestions are cool and then we can all learn! Thanks Zingeri!

Erasculio

01-08-2006, 04:29

This topic (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=400421&highlight=deep) has a lot of information about The Deep, and this one (http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=400646&highlight=deep) mentions how to kill Kanaxai. Ideally, we would have one article about the Deep on GWO Wiki...I'll see about that during this week.

Erasculio

Zaxares

01-08-2006, 06:33

So, any plans on forming a GWOnline group to go conquer the Deep/Urgoz' Warren?

Zingeri

01-08-2006, 07:19

http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=413999

Spellforge

01-08-2006, 08:23

Hmmm.... this should be cool. My first time in an elite mission :)

You say MM sucks there? :(

Im best playing my necro so will an SS or other necro build work?

I don't think anyone responded -

For "The Deep"

You have 2 main options .....
SS build is often in demand as is BiP (as monks are continually casting heal party)
Also bring Spinal Shivers. The group needs to be able to inflict interupts and KDs at the end (you probably won't be helping with the KDs but you can with the interupts)

Probably best to be N/Mk and have rebirth

Have fun

Xunlai Agent

01-08-2006, 12:39

Personal opinion.
Thanks for noting that....

vader

01-08-2006, 13:16

This coming weekend offers special bonuses for players who enjoy missions, role-playing, and unique items. Guild Wars Factions players will be granted access to all Canthan elite missions the entire weekend via an NPC in Kaineng Center. In addition, there will be double rare loot drops within Canthan Elite Missions during the weekend! This exciting weekend will begin on Friday, August 4, 07:01 GMT and will end Monday, August 7 at 06:59 GMT. We hope to see you there.
Why Kaineng Center? Why not just put the NPCs in House and Cavalon? The problem I see with this is a bunch of level 15-19s running around in the elite mission areas. I hope they at least put a level restriction on it as 99.9% of players are level 20 by the time they reach House or Cavalon.

Cronnie

01-08-2006, 13:27

I don't think anyone responded -

For "The Deep"

You have 2 main options .....
SS build is often in demand as is BiP (as monks are continually casting heal party)
Also bring Spinal Shivers. The group needs to be able to inflict interupts and KDs at the end (you probably won't be helping with the KDs but you can with the interupts)

Probably best to be N/Mk and have rebirth

Have fun

I will :)

Thanks for that got that build all ready for the weekend :)

pegasux

01-08-2006, 14:59

Like you said this weekend can be a test. CAN BE. We don'T have a clear answer. Three months ago the forums on every GW fansite were flaming with elite mission post. A vast majority of posters ( Average of 85% on each poll done) were saying the alliance system and the war between luxon and kurzick was crap. And with crap im staying polite. After two weeks of constant posting and one famous altercation with Gaile (where she menaced of not coming back ever again) we finally got our answer: Within a month or two a alternate way to access Elite Mission was to be devised. Everyone gratzed Anet for finally answering and we patiently waited. After three months impossible to hear any new news of the patch of salvation. Nothing.

Now after three months we get a weekend that promise nothing near a change in the system. A change that was described by gaile as being a number one priority. On top of that we get Gaile saying "Oh yeah maybe someday you'll get it still not sure tought".

Last time we got a message from Gaile saying ity was being fixed everyone STFU because our problem was acknowledged. Everyone as been very patient after Gaile's answer. Now three motnhs later we get something very cryptic and unclear about wether they think about permanent change or not.

Its as simple as that: Im tired of paying for locked content. I played CoH/CoV/ WoW /Lineage. I've never EVER had to deal with a locked zone personnally. Those games all had good end-game I could do and enjoy. Problem is I enjoy GW more than those games. Except that every big challenge in GW is hiddent behind layers of crap and unlock design that clearly dosen't work. The end-game access process as made me look again at those past MMO and made me wonder why I even play GW.

This is why I want a clear answer about this whole thing. If the answer is "NO we do not plan to unlock end-game because you have to be leet and earn it" then I'll know GW is not my game anymore. If I get a "Yes Elite missions are going to be unlock because every GW player should enjoy end-game content and big challenge" then i'll know chapter 3 is mine.

As simple as that. Yes its being stubborn. But you have to understand that there is other game out there I don't mind playing. GW is a very good game and I want to encourage Anet's first game as much as possible. But even being a fan there is so much I can take especially locked end-game content. I hop i made myself clear.

Thank you for reading.

geez anet give's full access to the elite missions AND doubles the drops yet people are still complaining! get over it already. i have never ever had problems getting ferry's anywhere. wow i am asked to tip? whoopie a whole 500g. the controlling alliance should get a little more then just bragging rights so they get tips...what's wrong with that? you pay to enter FoW and UW right? people stop complaining and being lazy and cheap! if your a lvl 20 then you have 500g to tip to get into an elite mission. heck you can just leach and not pay if you want...people do it all the time anyways. just stop whining and enjoy the game for what it is...if you don't enjoy the game any longer then move on...afterall it's just a game.

Xycury

01-08-2006, 16:06

:(

i'm happy but sad.

getting a 12 man group will be difficult. even in my guild. we're small but the dedicated few that would barely makes 8.

i really would like to.

Maybe i could be invited to any of your gatherings this weekend. I wouldn't mind playing anything, and i consider myself quite cappable to listening well.

I do have quite a few characters so i could play anything.

this is exciting and i would like to definately try it out.

This almost should be a post in the Meet up forums :| sorry.

Anyways i'll be reading some bits about the Deep and the Urgoz and will have to hopefully meet up with a group.

DS Healer

01-08-2006, 16:21

:grin: Happy Dance

oldmantime

01-08-2006, 17:53

geez anet give's full access to the elite missions AND doubles the drops yet people are still complaining! get over it already. i have never ever had problems getting ferry's anywhere. wow i am asked to tip? whoopie a whole 500g. the controlling alliance should get a little more then just bragging rights so they get tips...what's wrong with that? you pay to enter FoW and UW right? people stop complaining and being lazy and cheap! if your a lvl 20 then you have 500g to tip to get into an elite mission. heck you can just leach and not pay if you want...people do it all the time anyways. just stop whining and enjoy the game for what it is...if you don't enjoy the game any longer then move on...afterall it's just a game.

it's usually a pain to get a taxi to the deep and i wouldn't mind paying for access (i pay 2k a taxi for either the deep or urgoz, they deserve it with the amount of faction they lose every day).

i'd say the nec build for the deep should be n/me and have inspired enchantment (it's good to have two - three people with inspired in case the aspcet of err7 kicks in)

but the issues mentioned earlier (by whom i can't remember) about access to high level areas remain as a dedicated pver anet have two chance left to get this right for me - unlock the elite missions properly (obv the people in charge of the capitals need some other reward) or chapter three is their last chance for me. I also love the way GW plays but DAMN am i annoyed with the lack of high level content in cantha (i.e. none) they ruined any sense of achievement of getting to level 20 due to the fact it takes no time at all because of stupidly large xp from quests (remember galrath was like OMGZORZ 4k xp) and there's nothing to do when you get to level 20, that's highly illogical in my eyes.

Jasmo

01-08-2006, 18:49

it's usually a pain to get a taxi to the deep and i wouldn't mind paying for access (i pay 2k a taxi for either the deep or urgoz, they deserve it with the amount of faction they lose every day).

i'd say the nec build for the deep should be n/me and have inspired enchantment (it's good to have two - three people with inspired in case the aspcet of err7 kicks in)

but the issues mentioned earlier (by whom i can't remember) about access to high level areas remain as a dedicated pver anet have two chance left to get this right for me - unlock the elite missions properly (obv the people in charge of the capitals need some other reward) or chapter three is their last chance for me. I also love the way GW plays but DAMN am i annoyed with the lack of high level content in cantha (i.e. none) they ruined any sense of achievement of getting to level 20 due to the fact it takes no time at all because of stupidly large xp from quests (remember galrath was like OMGZORZ 4k xp) and there's nothing to do when you get to level 20, that's highly illogical in my eyes.

Amen to that

Traynor Dragonblade

01-08-2006, 22:35

Edit: This is actually slightly off-topic.

Oh and Thanks Gaile!!:wave:

I actually prefer leveling up quick and find the PvE aspect improved in Factions, but then it is only my opinion. In Tyria you grind to level 20 and then fight in South Shiverpeaks, Fire Island and maybe the Desert if you want an actual worthy enemy. And of course our favorite higher-level content the UW, FOW (Both available in Cantha), Tombs, or SF (Which is really similar foes that you were fighting before in South Shivers.)

In Cantha at least when you get to level 20 quickly you still know you can go to 70-80% of the map and have equal-leveled enemies and comrades(henchies) to work with. The mobs and mob make-up are tougher than in Tyria, and you actually have to think about what skills or henchmen you choose to take (as well as what the mobs are using against you) with you as opposed to going and tanking bogscales with your ele. There is not a rediculous amount of difficulty, but it is more of a challenge than half of the map of Tyria. So unfortunately I can't agree that there is nothing to do on Cantha once you are level 20. In fact that doesn't even make sense because you can get to level 20 before getting to the V-Square mission, meaning over 80% of the game missions are left to play. In Tyria even if you get to level 20 before the desert ascension (which might be around the average), you are still left with somewhere around 25-40% (approx.) of the missions left to play.

Then again, other than earning cash (haven't seen this change too much) I personally like removal of the grind of getting to lvl 20 refreshing. I get a sense of achievement from coming up with or being able to use a sucessful build, or gaining new skills to increase my characters versatility. Or I get it from progressing my character through the missions and opening up the various explorable areas or earning titles.

Not to mention it has greatly reduced the amount of power-leveling advertisements in towns/outposts, not to mention reducing the amount of people who PM you and go "Woo-Hoo Level *blank*!!"

I don't mean anything against those who enjoy the accomplishment of gaining levels more slowly and thus having to spend more grind time on it, I just wanted to say that I, and others I know have enjoyed the lack of grind to getting to lvl 20.

Icy Spicy

01-08-2006, 23:21

oldmantime

02-08-2006, 09:02

So unfortunately I can't agree that there is nothing to do on Cantha once you are level 20. In fact that doesn't even make sense because you can get to level 20 before getting to the V-Square mission, meaning over 80% of the game missions are left to play. In Tyria even if you get to level 20 before the desert ascension (which might be around the average), you are still left with somewhere around 25-40% (approx.) of the missions left to play.

the game took me two days to complete and i was trying to go slowly now after that where do i go? two days of playing isn't a lot to get out of a character

what i meant by my statement was that there are no high level areas in the game. the classic uw/fow are still accessible and tombs/sorrows are still there. but the big problem is i've spent more time there than i have in my home town and i wanted new high level areas.

Jasmo

02-08-2006, 16:29

chances are, it will stay... so whats the replacement for the elite mission? fireworks guy? why are there two factions in the game again? and whats the point of the factions/alliance thing?

i thought the announcment by anet: "elite should be open to all" killed the system... but not putting something back would be overkill... its not the reward that needs change, but how faction is earned...

and please dont scream about how lame alliances and factions are, if you dont like it, somebody else might, there are people that want to enjoy this aspect of game

First off Anet killed its system by releasing it. Content is not a viable reward for any player. Most people who see content as a reward, especially a pvp reward, will say "WoW that's fraggin dumb!" and thus won't participate. Especially a PvE reward to a PvP process. Anet tried to make PvP players interested in PvE and PvE players interested in PvP. Wich show how much anet knows little about game design. PvP is PvP, PvE is PvE, why don't you mix the two of them? Simply because they are 2 separate games. PvP players wanna compete and PvE players wanna fight mission challenge. Who in those two groups want to grind countless hours to either be able to compete.

So the Alliance System is not a good PvP mode because there is no direct contact between the two opposing team (Kurzick vs Luxon) but instead is geared toward Kurzick vs Kurzick. And the system is not a good PvE mode because there is no accomplished challenge by the PvE players. The Elite missions should be the challenge.

So this system appeal a very small niche of people who seem to enjoy wasting their time. On every poll that was made from release since today 85% of posters were finding the alliance system useless. Just look at how much people were and are doing AB each day. AB never go beyond 2 district. You call that a successful feature? Oh and don't get me started on Jade Quarry.

Beside Anet said that Elite mission should be accessible to all but where is the access? After three months and Nightfall coming anet tries to get us interested back in the game with a cheap trick. "Oh we'll give them access to Elite Missions so people will do stuff they never did and think there is new content". This is just another lame attempt at getting us back to waste 50$ again on Nightfall. I would prolly have if Anet had changed the system but unfortunately im not paying for another Alliance bullcrap and locked zones.

Traynor Dragonblade

03-08-2006, 19:03

the game took me two days to complete and i was trying to go slowly now after that where do i go? two days of playing isn't a lot to get out of a character

what i meant by my statement was that there are no high level areas in the game. the classic uw/fow are still accessible and tombs/sorrows are still there. but the big problem is i've spent more time there than i have in my home town and i wanted new high level areas.

Meh I agree about the lack of high-level content areas. I meant to point out that Factions isn't lacking it anymore than Tyria did, because you specifically mentioned Cantha lacking these areas. Factions does take less time to beat than prophecies for several reasons including the # of missions and map size, but a big reason is you're very used to the mechanics of the gamem, skill builds, using henchies and being in PUGs, and what not so you probably spent very little of those 2 days trying to figure out how to play the game which is what you needed to do with Prophecies.

Chances are you will be able to play through Nightfall within 2-3 days just the same, and you can easily go back and beat Prophecies as well in that timeframe if you really put your mind to it. I'll stick to what I said before though, there is much more content and things to do geared towards a level 20 character in Cantha than there is in Tyria.

But I see your point if you mean GW in general lacking. I too would like to see the Elites opened for good, and some new god realms at some point :grin: or some other types of harder areas that return unique weapon skins or greenies.

oldmantime

04-08-2006, 02:21

Meh I agree about the lack of high-level content areas. I meant to point out that Factions isn't lacking it anymore than Tyria did, because you specifically mentioned Cantha lacking these areas.

maybe not that tyria did past tense but tyria has sorrows and tombs now.

Lusifer Undril

04-08-2006, 05:58

Elite missions just arn't cracked up to what their sopost to be, I woudln't be suprized if they took advantage of this time to make the missions perminately better. Because really there is no "farming area" in the new Cantha. By Farming I dont' me Griffon Grind. I mean like Advanced players flock together and work together for drops. Ex. UW FoW. The elite missions just arn't compairable to FoW and UW because in the Elites, drops Good drops arn't very common and keys are needed to obtain anything worth talking about. Usually leaving the player a good 3k in the hole with every run.

So basically opening this up to everyone :: thumbs up :: hopefully then changes will be made to make them a little more player friendly.

Cause at the moment their only real purpose is to kick your butt, and kick it royaly.