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Gmr Leon
03-08-2006, 10:35
Although I have yet to finish putting together where everything in the Catacombs is beneath. I have found something quite interesting to note. The burial chamber with the statue heads is almost RIGHT beneath a statue of Balthazar.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/GmrLeon00/gw584.jpg

If anyone else would like to try and put together the Catacombs, by all means, go for it. Though if you think the exits will be exactly aligned with the surface entrances you're wrong. It's really odd about that..

Anyway, I'm going to see if I can finish this...

Rae Fenrir
03-08-2006, 16:08
I actually attempted this myself not so long ago. The closest fit I could get still had the south entrance way off from the overworld map.

I always wondered about that big bottomless pit below the Baradin Estate...

Here's my wee map anyway.

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5647/cat002ji4.jpg

Quintus Antonius
03-08-2006, 16:14
When taking the surface entrances into account, you have to remember where you enter needn't be right into the Catacombs themselves. There may be a short walk or a slant downwards before the Catacombs are accessed that is simply not shown during the load between sections.

Good job on those maps though.

I think it is very interesting that Balthazar is right above the burial chamber. The only reason I could think that this might be so is because the Catacombs were once above ground, and only later sunk to become the Catacombs we are familiar with today.

Blazing Liger
03-08-2006, 18:16
The catacombs may have been buried in some sort of catastrophe (earthquake or otherwise), but due to a nearby source of water and fertile soil, the area continued to be used and other things were built on top of the site, as often happens in the real world. They were probably unearthed sometime later and became used as a necropolis. That's my guess, at any rate. Makes me wonder just how old the catacombs are anyway, and who built them?

Gmr Leon
03-08-2006, 22:05
You know,I just remembered,that big gaping hole below Barradin's Estate has a source of light. Yet last I checked there's nothing above-ground to show where the light comes from. Also,Rae Fenrir,thanks for posting your map,it was early in the morning when I started on mine so I decided to post what I had done and finish it later.

Also,there is that one tunnel with the flame geysers and at the end of it a demon created by a student. Though that isn't what I found to be interesting.If you look at the ceiling there is a middle bit of stone that just seems to be floating there and water flowing from the center of it onto the ground. It may not seem much,but compared to alot of the stuff we've seen that's a pretty interesting piece of architecture.

Katscratched
08-09-2006, 07:54
Speaking of interesting architecture. . .
I have spent a lot of time in the Catacombs lately. I think much of this beautiful area is missed by most players wanting to rush through the Ascalon Academy. I've been taking shots to share with my friends as I explored, and I wanted to share them with the community.

Obviously, not all rooms of the catacombs are included (though I can produce more, since I greatly enjoy spending time in the Cats.) I think I've found some interesting things while exploring. For instance, the Catacombs show evidence of being older than they first appear. Not only are there apparently ancient artifacts within it, but for instance, the smaller arch seen in the first overview image does not match the style of the rest of the room. The walls show in that room also show evidence of being built around previously existing walls. Also, in many of the rooms there are broken piles and slab of rock that appear to have once served an architectural function.

The layout of the Catacombs also seems to have changed over time. The Wizard's Folley exit, lacking any real architecture and instead being predominantly rough and natural, would probably the most vulnerable to erosion. The areas of the Catacombs under Green Hills County and near Ashford Abbey could have origionally been seperate, or at least two main builds connected by a smaller chapel and a southern courtyard.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/116/catacombswn0.jpg
(Areas marked in red I beleive were buildings, while unmarked areas were probably pathways or courtyards with outdoor bridges and pavilions.)

I refer to this as a temple due to the many murals of the Gods within the Catacombs, specifically near Ashford Abbey (this area is outline in yellow.) While I've found one of each God, other than Lyssa, the predominantly displayed God is most definately Grenth. There are also several statues of Grenth in the Catacombs.
In the north-eastern building are the three heads (which have been compared to those in the Crystal Desert) and is appears to be a moratorium of some sort (with both earthen graves as well as three tiers of caskets.)
The western building is monopolizes by a circular, high-ceilinged room surrounding an deep dark pit. This pit is surrounded by gargoyles, and its bottom cannot be seen. It has three corridors, one which once may have once connected it to the Ashford Temple through the smaller chapel (see #'s 14-16 below). Another corridor leads to an exit and is lined with candles (keep those things lit, Oberon!) and while the last leads to a round candle antechamber, and leads out to the southern courtyard.

Please share your thoughts on this. I am very interested in the history of the Catacombs.
Also: If anyone can find a mural of Lyssa, let me know. I'm ready to pull my hair out looking for her!

Anyway, its pretty picture time:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8171/overviewpi3.jpg

1. Upper (http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/7543/tabletupperve0.jpg) | Lower (http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/4858/tabletlowerxp8.jpg)
I haven't been able to recognize all of the text - it definately relates to the Common Rune Alphabet, but there appears to be at least one new Rune.

2. No Image: This large mural (don't worry, there will be more in this same style featured later) of Grenth monopolizes the next room. The use of a mural opposite an arch (or contained within an arch-frame) is seen quite often in the Catacombs.

3 (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7840/gw204re0.jpg). This decor is found frequently together in the Catacombs, including on the entance in Ashford Abbey.

4 (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/6291/gw202oj1.jpg) and 5 (http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8021/gw201ah3.jpg). The archway masks rough-stacked bricks on either side. Several of these bricks seem to have been decorated, or perhaps written on.

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5939/overviewsideor6.jpg

6. This is repetition of the circular symbol seen in detail 1. It is repeated on both sides of each pillar, and on both of the main pillars. (This is seen on another bridge in the catacombs as well.)

Note: I don't have a detail to share of this at the moment, but there is also a rather interesting decor on the exterior of the the vertical pillar-blocks on the ends of the bridge.

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1017/gw275yz0.jpg

7. (http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7403/gw278nq1.jpg) Again, the illusionary frame is used around this mural of Dwayna. This is the only mural of Dwayna I have seen in the Catacombs. She is facing a hallway that leads to a statue of Grenth.

8 (http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/299/gw277hn5.jpg). Two more murals of Grenth are inset in the right wall in the poisoned hallway. Their location is far more visible in the linked image.

9. This metal-work decor seems to be in the shape of Grenth's head.

Katscratched
08-09-2006, 07:55
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7131/gw266ml3.jpg

10 (http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6821/gw273gv6.jpg) and 11. These insets are almost completely gone from the wall (however, there are reminants of both.) I cannot remember if I've seen the completed mural, simply another instance of the main mural matched with similarly degraded accompaning murals, or have seen them seperate from the main image of Melandru. This is the only instance of Melandru I've seen in the Catacombs. You'll notice that above her are two more murals of Grenth and that the entire wall is presented in the arch-frame.

12 (http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6821/gw273gv6.jpg). (located along the opposite wall) A fuller view of the image seen in the upper left of 3, this time placed on a pillar and topped with a face capitol. Open-mouthed faces are found throughout the Catacombs (though not all of the faces are the same.) It is possible that these faces are memorials of the dead, perhaps past kings.

(Quick note about the engraving: While this figure is wearing the same armor as Balthazar, I find it curious that if it is indeed the God of war, that this portrayl of him would be so previlant, while his face in his mural is obscured. Could this possibly be one of the other/displaced Gods - Dhuum, Mhenzies?)

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8650/gw261ri3.jpg

14 (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3594/gw257pw3.jpg). Commonly thought to be a Forgotten or Dragon, this mural was almost completely hidden. Standing within the window room, surrounded by Grenth, one can see it by looking up.

15 (http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/823/gw256jn1.jpg). This room completely surrounds you with Grenth's "presence" and the central window reflects on the pool of water.

16 (http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1707/gw258as9.jpg). Balthazar, seen without his head. Though found several times in this room, his head is obscured in each instance by the slant of the wall.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9243/gw248zp5.jpg

Though this room does not feature a God (unless Lyssa is here - I couldn't find her anywhere!) it does feature several interesting things I could help but to share.

17. Lining both sides of the bridge, these stone skulls/heads will be familiar to those who have been in the Ring of Fire.

18. These bones are located below the bridge. And they're big. Very big. Think the bones-in-the-desert big. Giganticus Lupicus big.

. . . so yeah. That's what I've got right now.

Gmr Leon
08-09-2006, 12:22
It could be that until the present day there weren't any good depictions of Lyssa which is why we see no images of her in the Catacombs. Also,I never even noticed that Balthazar mural in that room. Then again I still have trouble locating it,so I'll have to go back sometime.

Off-topic: I wish I had your graphics card..

Quintus Antonius
08-09-2006, 13:10
I've always believed that the Catacombs predated Ascalon (not necessarily the humans, just the Kingdom). It looks like the Catacombs are the remains of an ancient city complex that sank (perhaps due to volcanic activity) and was simply build upon over the years (like modern Rome is build over parts of ancient Rome).

Furthermore, the circle inscriptions shown in some of the pictures are one-to-one matches of similar inscriptions found in the Underworld. I suppose, in a way, this makes sense as the modern catacombs are more or less dedicated to Grenth and the necromantic arts, but I believe they predate the Catacombs function as.....well.....catacombs, which means they have a significance I am not yet sure on.

eowen
08-09-2006, 13:36
I know this is going a bit off topic, but do you think Urgoz's Warren could be a similar kind of thing? You never see the sky in there, even in the spots without trees. There are some sunken buildings in it too.

Oh yea and for the people here who saw the nightfall trailler, do you see a ressemblance inbetween the statues of winged creatures in the catacombs and uw, and the winged creature in the movie ?

Quintus Antonius
08-09-2006, 13:42
I was thinking something similar eowen, but instead of Urgoz Warren (which I believe is just Kurzick ruins in a petrified forest from the Jade Wind), I find that there are resemblences between the Catacombs and Altrumann Ruins (which apparently weren't built by the Kurzicks).

retromullet
08-09-2006, 14:25
I think a level 2 grawl used earth shaker and they all got buried.



Seriously though, sweet job, looks awesome!

Ranger Nietzsche
08-09-2006, 16:49
In regards to this (http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6821/gw273gv6.jpg) image, I confirmed that it is a remnant of a Mural of Melandru.

I also discovered that the "broken" or chipped parts of both murals exactly match the broken and chipped parts of the Murals in post searing ascalon. Maybe they took them from teh catacombs.

here is the picture showing the Ascalon fragment, you can see how both the image and the chipped off parts match this fragment in the catacombs. And in fact the fragments from teh main mural of melandru match too.

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/6306/melandrusarmla3.th.png (http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=melandrusarmla3.png)

Gmr Leon
08-09-2006, 21:40
You know,when you think about it,if the Catacombs do predate Ascalon back to ancient Ascalon then could that not have been a Necromantic village? That or,say,an acropolis that the Necromancers may have lived in.

It wouldn't be surprising seeing as to how Necromancers held a strong hand in Ascalon,heck they had their very own organization of sorts. It's no surprise seeing as to how they were and still to date in a perpetual never ceasing war.

Katscratched
08-09-2006, 21:49
In regards to this (http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6821/gw273gv6.jpg)
here is the picture showing the Ascalon fragment, you can see how both the image and the chipped off parts match this fragment in the catacombs. And in fact the fragments from teh main mural of melandru match too.


Yes, I've been looking at the murals in Ascalon City. The murals there match the ones found in the Catacombs, indeed right to the fragmentation. I believe that these murals may have been "saved" from the depths of the Catacombs after the Searing, and moved to Ascalon City. The Catacombs seem to have influenced architecture elsewhere in Ascalon.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5774/gw303ri5.th.jpg (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw303ri5.jpg)
(Seen in both Pre- and Post-Searing Gates of Fort Ranik)

http://img307.imageshack.us/img307/3665/gw307mk8.th.jpg (http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw307mk8.jpg)
(Nolani Academy)
These are the same faces seen so frequently on the arches of the catacombs.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/2850/fountiancx5.th.jpg (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fountiancx5.jpg)
(Ascalon City)
The Griffons on the fountian match those seen in Barradin's estate, but notice the repeated faces found beneath the lip of the fountian.

In all of these instances, the Catacomb may have simply influenced the architecture. Compare contemporary Ascalonian architecture to the older stone-hewn buildings. For instance, Nolani Academy stood as a prominant Magic school during the time of Orr. However, instead of being simply inspired, its possible that some aspects of the temple were removed (either before or after it fell) and used in the construction of these building. Alternatively, if the Catacombs do predate the Ascalon Kingdom (which I believe to be true,) its possible that these decorative peices were added to the Catacombs by those who constructed the major buildings of the Ascalon, or that some of the structures of Ascalon predate the human kingdom itself.

Of course, that would take a lot of explaining, ya?

We know that Melandru, Dwayna, and Balthazar once lived in the city of Arah. The humans who inhabited Arah and formed the Kingdom of Orr after the Gods left had may have been their servants on Tyria. If this is true, then what if the Catacombs were previously the temple of Grenth, and the humans who eventually founded the Kingdom of Ascalon were previously his worshippers? The transformation of the Temple of the God of Death to a Catacomb would make sense. Knowledge of the entire pantheon may have come to the people of Ascalon after Grenth left Tyria, and their murals may have been added then (as we know that the Orrian students attended Nolani Academy.)

Katscratched
09-09-2006, 00:24
I always wondered about that big bottomless pit below the Baradin Estate...

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4773/gw330la5.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw330la5.jpg) http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/977/gw335mx4.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw335mx4.jpg)
Actually, I wonder more about Barradin Estate itself. It it surrounded by the arch-frames, and the building itself appears to be of the same construction as that just inside the entrance to the Catacombs.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1016/gw338jr2.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw338jr2.jpg)

Inside the ruined building, (unlike the one in Barradin, which you cannot enter,) you can see that there is raised platform in the back. I purpose that this platform served one of two purposes:

1. Served a preist or some other form of religious person as a place to speak from.
2. A religious icon once stood here.

Now, were these buildings built before or after the fall of the Catacombs into their current state? This would effect their purpose, as well as how we see the relationship between the Catacombs map and the land map. Was Barradin's Estate built later, OVER the bottomless pit? If so, we could draw the conclusion that it was intentially built there, due to its "sister" built outside Ashford Abbey. Or instead, is the pit located near the Estate, which was part of the original Temple complex?

(I've found a few other interesting things while searching around Barradin's Estate. It's been a while since I've been out here ^_^ . I'm still flushing out the details for a complete post.)

Avoc
10-09-2006, 08:32
Its also interresting to note that the stone dragons in this picture:
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1017/gw275yz0.jpg
are also present in the underworld, in an almost exact hallway.

eowen
11-09-2006, 00:52
Maybe the catacombs are an allegory of the destruction that is to come from the char.

windcaller
11-09-2006, 11:32
also you will notice in urgoz warren the white-ish crystals as in the uw, near the smites. next time i'll take some screennies of both, for the ones that have never been there/can't remember.

from the murals in the catacombs, it seems that Grenth rules over the other gods. the most obvious is in the screenie with the mural of Melandru, where Grenth is somewhat watching her. i might say that on the left and right side of melandru we might have found Lyssa and Balthasar.i doubt Dwayna would be under Grenth as she's the Goddes of Life. and i read somwhere that Balthasar might be dead (on my word if i can remember where). maybe that's why we don't see his head in the murals.

another interesting thing, but which might be offtopic, is that, unlike Gods in Ancient Greece, we only have to antonimic pairs in GW: Dwayna and Grenth. Life and Death. The other 3 are somewhat pairless. Doesn't that seem out of balance?

EDIT: IT'S NOT BALTHASAR!!!! i managed to get a screenie of the so-called Balthasar, but it's not as we know it. check it out yourselves.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw015-1.jpg

from what i knew Balthasar doesn't have a skeletal Body. and that other skull near his own looks as if this is somewhat a God whose borther its death..or...i don't understand.but deffo that's not Balthasar

sorry for the darkness of the pic but i lack the knowledge of photo editing.

EDIT: i found also something that might be found interesting by most of us.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw016-1.jpg

if you notice, this...creature...has strucutres of its body similar to the structures in Tomb of the Primeval Kings.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw017.jpg

windcaller
11-09-2006, 13:18
i also found something interesting in the mural of grenth: above his head, you'll se an archway.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw020.jpg

same as in:http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw023.jpg

and through the archway in grenth's mural, rays of light come. That might be where he comes from. The Mists.

Who would have the knowledge to build on Tyria structures from the world he never saw. Unless he was given this knowledge.

another thing i noticed in the catacombs: the pillars seem to be in a different state. Were they built in different times? Also in the "garden" there are no murals. There is just that small lake with lilys on it.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw026.jpg

and

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw024.jpg

windcaller
11-09-2006, 13:18
another curiosity: this pillar is of different architecture:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw025.jpg

why?

Quintus Antonius
11-09-2006, 14:43
It IS Balthazar. It is an early concept art for Balthazar that was later reused as a mural in-game.

Remember, the Catacombs function as the "university" (persay) of the Ascalon Necromancer Cult. Of course they depict Grenth as their head god.

windcaller
11-09-2006, 16:23
in this case, yes, Balthazar is the bringer of death...

let's hope Nightfall will explain the different architectures in the catacombs. the 2 different types of pillars, imo, says much. but i lack the necessary data to actually draw the conclusion from where did these Necromancers come.

The water basin with the lilys on it remind me somehow on Nightfall. Looks familiar.

Endamir
14-09-2006, 10:42
Today's update has made the mapping of unique areas (like the catacombs, FoW, and probably even Dragon's Lair) finally possible: (taken from guildwars.com)


- Improved the Mission Map (the window accessed by using the "U" key) so that it works properly in the Catacombs, the Underworld, and Fissure of Woe, where previously it showed only black.

Ranger Nietzsche
14-09-2006, 20:54
well, those were already mapped, using the minimap

but i suppose now its a lot easier

ShaneOmac
21-09-2006, 05:26
I have a hypothesis..

Well, the Kingdom of Orr was basically said to be inhabited by Balthazar, Melendru, and Dwayna. I believe the practice of Necromancy and Mesmerizing were strictly forbidden or looked down upon. If you even notice the weapon damages within these proffessions, they are chaos, cold, and shadow damage... doesn't exactly sound very decorus for a kingdom that was described as a "Paradise". I believe that Necromancers and Mesmers were deemed as outcasts and were forced to leave the Kingdom of Orr, traveling to present-day ascalon, and created a city of their own that rivaled the Kingdom of Orr, which could possibly be what is now known as the catacombs.

How it became underground? who knows. But the architexture of the Catacombs and Orr could possible be quite similar! But we'll never know, unless Anet makes a chapter involving the Kingdom of Orr.

ShaneOmac
22-09-2006, 05:22
Since I can't edit..

You know what would be really cool? If Guild Wars made a chapter solely on the past of Tyria. The way it would be connected to present day Tyria is through a time warp/portal, much similar to the Legend of Zelda! ^_^

It would include such places like the Catacombs, the Kingdom of Orr, Kyrta, and Ascalon, even the settlements of the Crystal Desert with the Tombs of Primeval Kings!

ah... one can dream :P

liquid ice VI
07-10-2006, 14:30
that would be cool Shane. But i dont think they would make it online or anything. like u couldnt get from land to land then. But i reckon theyll clear up the past adventually... somtime... like 3 chapters away maybe

lynx raven raide
01-12-2006, 22:17
is it just me, or do those creatures from post 19 look similar to Charr? i do realise that the charr would have been around in the time the catacombs were build, and were probably on friendly terms with humans, not in 'kill all humans' mode, and it just seems interesting that they would make these with Charr-like features

Santax
03-12-2006, 11:13
also you will notice in urgoz warren the white-ish crystals as in the uw, near the smites. next time i'll take some screennies of both, for the ones that have never been there/can't remember.

from the murals in the catacombs, it seems that Grenth rules over the other gods. the most obvious is in the screenie with the mural of Melandru, where Grenth is somewhat watching her. i might say that on the left and right side of melandru we might have found Lyssa and Balthasar.i doubt Dwayna would be under Grenth as she's the Goddes of Life. and i read somwhere that Balthasar might be dead (on my word if i can remember where). maybe that's why we don't see his head in the murals.

another interesting thing, but which might be offtopic, is that, unlike Gods in Ancient Greece, we only have to antonimic pairs in GW: Dwayna and Grenth. Life and Death. The other 3 are somewhat pairless. Doesn't that seem out of balance?

EDIT: IT'S NOT BALTHASAR!!!! i managed to get a screenie of the so-called Balthasar, but it's not as we know it. check it out yourselves.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw015-1.jpg

from what i knew Balthasar doesn't have a skeletal Body. and that other skull near his own looks as if this is somewhat a God whose borther its death..or...i don't understand.but deffo that's not Balthasar

sorry for the darkness of the pic but i lack the knowledge of photo editing.

EDIT: i found also something that might be found interesting by most of us.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw016-1.jpg

if you notice, this...creature...has strucutres of its body similar to the structures in Tomb of the Primeval Kings.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/windcall/gw017.jpg
Hmm... that is interesting... perhaps the Catacombs are so old they even have an Abbadonian influence... I always thought that was a mural of Balthazar with skulls cradled in his arms but if indeed the Catacombs are this old, it may be that they are even older and this is in fact a covered up mural of Dhuum.

Nanashi
03-12-2006, 11:30
You guys seem to forget that Tombs was but an introduction to the Realm Of Torment... since the Grasps and such are also beyond the Vortex as well. Infact the introduction to Elona from Lion's Arch was that Lions Arch almost became a spawn point for the minions of Abaddon have it not been for you, the player, who completed the quest.

Quintus Antonius
03-12-2006, 15:51
Those are minions of Dhuum that invaded all three places, not of Abaddon. As for murals, there are plenty of insectoid depictions in the Catacombs, and one theory is that Dhuum is an insectoid creature. If the Catacombs were built when he was in the Pantheon, it makes sense there is some insectoid depictions, but if they are of Dhuum, we don't know for sure.

Barinthus
03-12-2006, 20:26
Did anybody mention seeing a mural of Forgotten in the Catacombs? If not I can post a screenie.

As for the mural, it's definitely Balthazar

Gmr Leon
04-12-2006, 22:35
Forgotten mural in the Catacombs? Are you sure? I don't remember ever noticing it or even ever seeing it during my explorations of the place.

Oh and a weird little fact to know. The chamber with all those coffins in the Catacombs has 92 coffins and 94 gravestones. 186 corpses are buried there.

arthur foxshot
09-12-2006, 15:59
Has any 1 noticed the hidden cave outside fort ranik?
if you go right when luking away from the fort,its just
across the river,hidden behide some bushes.
Might have some connection,since there is ruined buildings.

Sorry am such a n00b i don't know how to post SS

Quintus Antonius
09-12-2006, 16:27
Hey arthur, no problem. To post a screenshot, take the picture in-game using your PrintScreen (PrtScn) button. The picture file will most likely be saved in C:/Program Files/Guild Wars/Screens. Open that file, and save it as a .jpg using a program like Paint, then take this file and go to www.imageshack.us. Upload the file, and when it is uploaded, you will recieve a list of links. Use the Thumbnail for Forums link line, post that here in a new post, and there you go, one screenshot.

arthur foxshot
09-12-2006, 16:41
Hey arthur, no problem. To post a screenshot, take the picture in-game using your PrintScreen (PrtScn) button. The picture file will most likely be saved in C:/Program Files/Guild Wars/Screens. Open that file, and save it as a .jpg using a program like Paint, then take this file and go to www.imageshack.us. Upload the file, and when it is uploaded, you will recieve a list of links. Use the Thumbnail for Forums link line, post that here in a new post, and there you go, one screenshot.

kk thx, will try post some screens

Barinthus
10-12-2006, 05:00
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4545681&postcount=4

Second picture is my monk in that area Arthur spoke of. There has been several threads on this but I don't think I ever saw one in the Lore section.

Perhaps Arthur should consider setting up a thread for that particular area only? Since i can't play GW while I'm at parents I brought a memorystix filled with unedited screenies so I can organize them lol. I'm sure I can contribute few pictures

arthur foxshot
10-12-2006, 12:41
Sorry guys i cant posy any SS atm comp aint working right, but thx barinthus the pic in the middle is the place am on about.

moenbase
12-12-2006, 13:16
I'd like to jump in at something i've seen and heard here. Some kind of relation, perhaps.
1) The big bones in Dragon's Gullet (probably from Lupicus)
2) The bones that are shown in the picture on Page 1 of this thread, probably also from Lupicus

Someone told that it would take a very very long time before bones like that will get completely covered.
Now, someone also said that the Catacombs could have been at the surface somewhere in time. Not sure what the theory about that was however.
But wouldn't the Lupicus bones be fully covered then as well? In Dragon's Gullet as well as in the Catacombs. Though we can see them just the way they are, almost fully above the surface.
I mean, if something as big as the Catacombs can 'sink' or can be fully covered underneath the ground, why are the bones so exposed?

Quintus Antonius
12-12-2006, 15:58
You are talking about bone exposure after the Searing, which should be disregarded as the surface changed, water levels dropped, and things were exposed.

Also, anyone else notice that the Catacombs and the UW are almost exactly the same in some places?

Barinthus
12-12-2006, 16:17
I have suspected for a long while that UW is somewhat a mirror of real world.

Not exact replica but a shadow. Much like the hell is suppised to be shadow of heavens (according to milton I think)

Dragina
24-12-2006, 19:46
Did anybody mention seeing a mural of Forgotten in the Catacombs? If not I can post a screenie.

As for the mural, it's definitely Balthazar

According to Katscratched # 14 might be of Forgotten

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8650/gw261ri3.jpg

Also according to Wiki: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Forgotten


Now to me the mural in the Catacombs looks like the corner piece of mural in Ascalon City, only flipped somehow?

Barinthus
25-12-2006, 00:10
Yes that was what I was referring to in the first place - the #14 in that picture.

Here's my shots... it's pretty much same - somewhat closer up.

First is the site (see link in the above posting - it's in that general area where you do a necromancer quest to kill a tomb nightmare). The mural is hidden above the central image of Grenth.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3466/catacombs1on2.th.png (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=catacombs1on2.png)

This is the mural - what I could capture.

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6020/gw216em5.th.png (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw216em5.png)

I did play around with the camera and wound up "behind" the mural. It doesn't make much sense but i can post it if anybody's interested.

terakhan
25-12-2006, 05:28
#14 as its labeled is the dragon mural you can see in post-searing, just past all the god murals. The difference being it is obscured by another mural and the image is flipped.

Aoshima Michio
09-07-2007, 16:09
Sorry for my bad english and posting to such old thread.

1. does that winged creature refer to griffons or possibly to dragons? There's few of these in catacombs.
http://sirlancelot.pp.fi/images/gw208.jpg

2. What about this? I haven't seen anything like that anywhere besides catacombs.
http://sirlancelot.pp.fi/images/gw205.jpg

3. Doesn't it seem like mural of Grenth is built to hide that stone face behind it? (http://sirlancelot.pp.fi/images/gw204.jpg)

4. And what are those crystal shaped stones (http://sirlancelot.pp.fi/images/gw201.jpg)? They strongly resembles crystals that rained during searing IMO.

Quintus Antonius
09-07-2007, 17:02
1. No idea, but it looks like an Assblaster from Tremors 3 and beyond.
2. I saw that face in the Underworld maps of HA too. What I find most interesting is that A) it is the face of a god we have never seen (assuming its a god), and B) underneath the face is the symbol representing infinity (the sideways 8).

To be honest, when I first saw this, I immediately wondered if this was a truly "eternal" god, perhaps the father of the current pantheon, or some other eternal entity we haven't heard of yet.

3. Catacombs predate humanity in Ascalon. It is likely they just built the mural after the catacombs were already there, so they had to, out of necessity, cover something.

4. Those are basaltic formations formed by magma similar to the Giant's Walkway in Ireland. They also appear in other places with geothermal activity, like the Ring of Fire, the Underworld, and the Fissure of Woe.

Gmr Leon
09-07-2007, 18:34
Looking at that face always reminded me of something just couldn't pin down what. Think I do know what it reminds me of now though, it reminds me of depictions of Mayan/Aztec priests with the bird-masks/feathers/hides. At least sort of..The face looks kind of cruel if you ask me.

Oh, and also the ears. They droop down like you can see with certain Native American people or maybe I'm thinking of certain African tribes..:huh:

Tymaeon Eihalis
09-07-2007, 18:40
I think it is very interesting that Balthazar is right above the burial chamber. The only reason I could think that this might be so is because the Catacombs were once above ground, and only later sunk to become the Catacombs we are familiar with today.

It could have a religious significance--it could be a tomb for soldiers, who would naturally want to be watched over by the God of War, as it was he they served in battle. Thus, the tob being right under the statue of Balthazar.

(GOD I hope no one posted this earlier...)

aptaleonII
09-07-2007, 19:29
It could have a religious significance--it could be a tomb for soldiers, who would naturally want to be watched over by the God of War, as it was he they served in battle. Thus, the tob being right under the statue of Balthazar.

(GOD I hope no one posted this earlier...)

No, i don't think anyone did. And now that we know the Catacombs are Asura-built (which kind of disproves the "above ground" thing), i'd have to say this seems most likely.

Note: The tomb below the statue of balthazar is where the Blood Fanatics flee to, after they have failed Kasha Blackblood's training. Notice that Kasha Blackblood stands not far behind the statue of balthazar, directly above where that tomb would be.

Quintus Antonius
09-07-2007, 19:37
Hold on a minute, aptaleon, the PCGamer and subsequent articles say the Asura fled underground to escape the forces of the Destroyer ages ago. So it is possible they built things above ground that then sunk underground and became catacombs. So while we know that the Asura are at least partially if not fully responsible for the construction of the catacombs, we don't know the means of this construction or the reasoning....yet.

Gmr Leon
09-07-2007, 19:41
Hold on a minute, aptaleon, the PCGamer and subsequent articles say the Asura fled underground to escape the forces of the Destroyer ages ago.

Wait, what?

Quintus Antonius
09-07-2007, 19:45
Sorry, they fled underground in the Tarnished Coast to hide from the Destroyer, they were chased from other underground areas.

Gmr Leon
09-07-2007, 19:50
You mean they fled above ground in the Tarnished Coast..Right? The Destroyers chased them out of their tunnels altogether, in preparation of the rise of their leader the Great Destroyer. Hence how we end up meeting them and whatnot.

Quintus Antonius
09-07-2007, 19:51
Well it says they are in caves. Whether or not they are above or below ground, I don't know.

Gmr Leon
09-07-2007, 20:01
You'll also encounter the Asura, a race driven from its ancestral underground home by the blazing menace.

I think that pretty much clears that issue up. (Yes, I did just go and get the magazine for one sentence, so what? :tongue: )

noctern
17-07-2007, 05:15
Sorry for my late entrance into this discussion, and for my long winded post i am about to make.
After reading through this thread from the start, i keep noticing that reference is made to the catacombs sinking, or having been sunk in the past.
In the hypothesis that was made by ShaneOmac back on page 3 of this thread, he believed that with the Kingdom of Orr being inhabited by Balthazar, melendru and dwayna, and the belief that necromancers and mesmers were looked down upon or forbidden, could it not be conceivable that the learning center for the followers of Grenth was infact built underground to remain hidden and avoid prying eyes.

With its location being set so far away from Orr and on the fringe or inside of at that stage another races territories, this would further ensure that their university would not just be stumbled upon. The practices of such a large number of necromancers, that a complex of that size would hold, would surely unnerve the general populous if it was in plain view.

If this is the case and it was intentionally built underground, then this could give raise to the thought that the mesmers also had a secret training academy dedicated to the worship of lyssa that has not been found or unearthed yet.

Inside the academy, you have the huge "bottomless pit" i beleive this was used as a "garbage pit" of sorts. With all the students and followers living underground and training you want to have a way of disposing of the excess minions, that the students would be learning to create. Else the complex would very rapidly be filled to the hilt. This way a student could summon a minion then send it over the edge once finished with.

Once destroyed the followers of Balthazar, Melendru and Dwayna would have to move further out into the world, once they reached Ascalon, or what would become Ascalon they would have found an area that had relatively few enemies in it, whilst at the edge of occupied territoies. As having a necromancers university would require that they needed a steady stream of corpses to practice upon so taking Grawl or Charr would provide this. This depopulated area would then seem like a good place to build a settlement.

I further believe that with the new arrivals of the followers of Balthazar, melendru and Dwayna that the followers of Grenth left to avoid persicution or discovery.

The placement of the Abby upon the complex I do not believe to be accidental as the power of Dwayna is especially effective against the minions of Grenth. I feel that they found this entrance to the university and built the abby there to keep in any servants or followers that still remained.

The placement of the statue of Balthazar is also I believe a deliberate act to "infuse" the area with the power and protection of balthazar, and also try to show a dominance over Grenth to those that were still in the area that know what lies below.

Ranger Nietzsche
17-07-2007, 09:17
The placement of an Abbey next to catacombs just seemed to make historical sense to me. Catacombs IRL were used as burial sites for early Christians in some cases, so of course you'd build a church on them.

Gmr Leon
17-07-2007, 13:42
To be honest I've come to a different conclusion than the Catacombs sinking or being built underground. If you look at certain walls in the Catacombs they're slanted inward like they fell.

It almost seems to me like there may have been a small earthquake that shook up the building.

noctern
19-07-2007, 00:34
If the catacombs were built underground to start with and there were small earth quakes of other events that have impacted upon the stability of the ground in the area could this also cause a shift in the earth, causing greater forces to be exerted upon the walls and thus cause the slanting that you have seen?

Gmr Leon
19-07-2007, 14:20
I just assumed the walls were built into a hillside because of that one chamber where you find the Prized Moa Bird dead. Then again I was just looking for evidence of it being possible for the Catacombs to have been above ground and eventually went into disrepair.

Forgotten Legend
12-08-2007, 21:55
interesting point nocturn... about necromancers staying underground.

in Pre-sear... both Necromancer Munne and Oberon are found in the catacaombs, Munne at the entrance behind Ashford Abbey, Oberon deep within, as he makes his home there.

however, the mesmers i think weren't in hiding, as Lyssa's statue is in plain sight just outside Ascalon City, at Althea's Actor's Stage.




http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5939/overviewsideor6.jpg



someone mentioned a source of light? this area (or very close to it, it's this style architecture) pictured above can be seen from the eastern edge of Barradin's Estate from a cliff overlooking the catacombs below. (i'd post the shot from above ground, but having problems with my pic hosting at the moment) the location is near the double "L" s in the name "Green Hills Country" on the in-game map.

also of note... some of the pillars (they are round, but not the ones in any of the pictures in this thread so far, and mainly on the paths, not in any of the main chambers) found within the catacombs match the pillars found in the Tombs of the Primeval Kings outpost, as well as the pillars found in the Desolation. whether they are of Elonian, Forgotten, or Asuran origin (or someone else, but those in my mind are the three most likely candidates, not necasarily in that order), is up to someone else to decide i guess.

we do know that the Asura build undergound, so i'm thinking that at least part of the catacombs was intentionaly built underground (some of the pillars appear to actually support the "ceilings"), while other parts may have been buried by earthquake(s) (otherwise, why would we be able to see some of the areas from above? like the one in the picture in this post)

Sprattel
30-08-2007, 18:04
Yes that was what I was referring to in the first place - the #14 in that picture.

Here's my shots... it's pretty much same - somewhat closer up.

First is the site (see link in the above posting - it's in that general area where you do a necromancer quest to kill a tomb nightmare). The mural is hidden above the central image of Grenth.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3466/catacombs1on2.th.png (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=catacombs1on2.png)

This is the mural - what I could capture.

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6020/gw216em5.th.png (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gw216em5.png)

I did play around with the camera and wound up "behind" the mural. It doesn't make much sense but i can post it if anybody's interested.

I knew I had seen that art somewhere...

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6695/dscf0995qt8.th.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0995qt8.jpg)

...and, well, it was in the lore booklet that came with Prophecies. :duh:

Ranger Nietzsche
30-08-2007, 19:57
speaking of catacombs i wonder if Anet will add something there to foreshadow GW:EN

nothing playable obviously, but some little hint.

Amanda Creamwave
17-12-2007, 00:15
on wiki the stormcaller is called the horn of king doric, that horn has that big face on it you see around ascalon, making me think it is the face of King Doric.

i have a feeling the catacombs started creation between 205 BE and 100 BE

Amanda Creamwave
18-12-2007, 21:46
the faces in the catacombs at the bonepit(same as on the ring of fire islands) look the same as grenth's face on his statue's

Zaura Caducas
03-03-2008, 07:37
I was mapping Ascalon, and found this in Dragon's Gullet:

http://i28.tinypic.com/igdi8p.jpg

It's the same mural as seen in the Catacombs, but with a clear view of it's face, and that sure looks like Balthazar to me.

Age
15-08-2008, 02:41
I have been all through The Cats and never seen statue of Balthazar.I wonder what it is with the extra res shrines and entryways to no where.I much prefer this type of dungeon to those of EoTN.There is mystery to this unlike those.

Gmr Leon
15-08-2008, 02:58
Where did you get the idea that there was a statue of Balthazar in the Catacombs? There's one right above the Chamber of Graves, but not inside the Catacombs.

Karn the Betrayer
15-08-2008, 08:38
i just find it wierd you see bushes underground yet most plants need sunlight... moss i don't think so since it can grow in dark places

Age
17-08-2008, 01:16
It was from the original post.Where exactly is the chamber of graves?

Gmr Leon
17-08-2008, 03:20
It's in the upper right hand corner of this map by Rae Fenrir.

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5647/cat002ji4.jpg

Which is right below the statue of Balthazar.