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Fenix Aurion

24-08-2006, 02:55

Is it me, or will paragon be another of those classes thrown aside that not to many people play but if used right can be one of the best. (such as ritualist and mesmer) Right now, all my friends that play gw in school are getting excited about the dervish and don't give a crap about Paragon. Will the Paragon be a good class?

critical vengeance

24-08-2006, 03:07

*cough* need pants, pants > god forms ;)

Annyway, people are just a bit happier with sycthes and god forms it seems than spears and shouts. New mechanics are cool, like the assassin. People still play a ritualist, heck they are awesome, and so much help. A mesmer is a great class too, both of which get used a lot in pvp, yes pugs sometimes shove mesmers aside like the assassin in pve, but meh. I skill i bet people will love is aria of power, rangers and warriors will love the extra two pips of regeneration, ritualists can benefit too if they time boon of creation. A 6 pip spirit lord would be nice.

Barrage rangers with 5 pips warrior with 4?! What's not for a pug with low understanding of much to love. Paragon will be awesome, it is only recently they made me decide to roll a paragon before a dervish... i hope they get pants. Check over the paragon skills, some seem like meh, but you will find they can do a lot of cool things. Mending refrain with a little effort can give the whole party like +4 health regeneration, combine that with a ritualist with +3 from recoperation and you have +7 health almost during every battle.

A paragon can also help keep people alive, never surrender i do beleive it is called gives like 8 pips of health regen to party members under 50% health for 10 seconds. That cannot be removed either.

Spear's are a great thing too, adrenlin and energy fueled mix together for something great, leadership seems to be pretty good energy managment, espcially since a lot of shouts and chants only cost 5 energy, energizing chorus can reduce the cost of of the next one you use by about 7 i think max, which is just again great. I really don't plan to bother with spear skills, let other people do damage, i'll do the skills which will help them do it.

The males i think might get a bad rep with the short skirts... at least make them longer, any chance your friends are guys? Cause it is kind of a nasty sight to see men in mini skirts in real life, why would you want to see it in the virtual world too? People might shove them aside, but i think they will get some love... or at least the good ones once they relize all the awesome large scale things they can do.

Bottom line, yes i say they will be a great class, and much appreciated party member.

Wraithen Darkbane

24-08-2006, 03:18

Issisac

24-08-2006, 04:29

In my honest opinion of whether a paragon would be worth playing....: heck yes!

Although a whole bunch of people chose to play the dervish over the PvP preview thing, I doubt we'll see nearly as many actually made into PvE characters for Nightfall. The rush of new things to try out in only a few days pretty much only allowed a person (considering work/whichever/something else that takes up time) to try out one of the professions as much as they would have liked. Most likely when people have a decent amount of time to try both out a bit more and think of class combinations then perhaps we'll see a few more heading over to the paragon side.

I actually enjoyed the offensive side of the paragons the most during the event, eventually loading up my skillbar with spear attacks and buffs for those spear attacks, but being able to switch back and forth from offensive to defensive pretty easily should be appealing to a lot of people. Depending on how large the missions are in Nightfall, we may see some more being made for those huge multi-party missions where the shouts could come in handy quite a bit :grin:. Since most of their shouts target "allies" then no doubt we'll see some monstrous mob-slaying in the future.

Fenix Aurion

24-08-2006, 04:34

During the factions preview events most of the people that played a new class played an assasin. Now, what happened to the sin in pve? During the nightfall preview event, most people that played a new class, played a dervish. What do you think will happen?
I honestly think that what happened to the assassin will not happen to the dervish. The dervishs are a powerful class much more powerful than sins. The reason why there were so many assassins in pve was cause assassins have a dark figure to them and they seemed pretty awesome teleporting and attacking fast with crits which convinced alot of ppl to try them. Although the dervish are different. I believe they are gonna be extremely popular in nightfall cause they're just so damn good. They're weapons do such high dmg and can atck 2 ppl at once. They're skills are also great. If there will be alot of dervishs, it'll be becuz they're so powerful.

Back to the point...
I'm wondering whether or not I shuld make a paragorn when nightfall comes out. Sure they're pretty good, but compared to dervish, i just dont know...

critical vengeance

24-08-2006, 04:38

I honestly think that what happened to the assassin will not happen to the dervish. The dervishs are a powerful class much more powerful than sins. The reason why there were so many assassins in pve was cause assassins have a dark figure to them and they seemed pretty awesome teleporting and attacking fast with crits which convinced alot of ppl to try them. Although the dervish are different. I believe they are gonna be extremely popular in nightfall cause they're just so damn good. They're weapons do such high dmg and can atck 2 ppl at once. They're skills are also great. If there will be alot of dervishs, it'll be becuz they're so powerful.

Back to the point...
I'm wondering whether or not I shuld make a paragorn when nightfall comes out. Sure they're pretty good, but compared to dervish, i just dont know...

actually it's 3 at a time.

Still you should try out the paragon and if you like it you should continue, if you don't find it fun don't use it, that's what i usually do :grin:

VILenin

24-08-2006, 04:47

MorpheousX

24-08-2006, 06:38

I dunno about the paragon, the class seems pretty uninspired, like a weaker form of the ranger. Put on a few spear attacks, spam them, and spam shouts whenever you can. Doesn't seem very exciting. Then again, I fell in love with the assassin combo system (so much more skill-demanding than warrior hack-and-slash).

Hmm...paragorn ranger comparisn doesnt quite make to much sense as paragorn have higher armor and deal more base dmg:tongue: but yeah I see what you mean. Button Spamming is never to fun..

Zaxares

24-08-2006, 06:54

A spear-chucker with warrior-level armor and who's a support character?

Sign me up! :grin:

Orgim Doomhammer

24-08-2006, 06:59

I honestly think that what happened to the assassin will not happen to the dervish. The dervishs are a powerful class much more powerful than sins. The reason why there were so many assassins in pve was cause assassins have a dark figure to them and they seemed pretty awesome teleporting and attacking fast with crits which convinced alot of ppl to try them. Although the dervish are different. I believe they are gonna be extremely popular in nightfall cause they're just so damn good. They're weapons do such high dmg and can atck 2 ppl at once. They're skills are also great. If there will be alot of dervishs, it'll be becuz they're so powerful.

Back to the point...
I'm wondering whether or not I shuld make a paragorn when nightfall comes out. Sure they're pretty good, but compared to dervish, i just dont know...

they high dmg is a joke i was using a mastery build and the higest dmg i saw was 50 something with attack skill. so no no all that great. The real question is how bad will the dervish be nerf. cause i can promise you that they won't be any thing like how op they would during the event. As the paragorn will stay mostly the same(i think).

Fenix Aurion

24-08-2006, 07:06

dunno about the paragon, the class seems pretty uninspired, like a weaker form of the ranger.
I beleive that paragons are some what of a ranger and a tactics warrior put together. Btw, with 15 or 16 spear mastery, how much dmg will a paragon do?

critical vengeance

24-08-2006, 14:22

I think they will do plenty, it's cool that a lot of the spear skills are adrenlin since they have no real skill to reduce the cost of them like rangers do. Except for the one chant that makes the next skill cost 10 less energy... of course it costs you 10 :P

Seventh

28-08-2006, 13:55

I think i did an average of 35 dmg with spear mastery at 13. Anyway, Paragons will be much more use full then either Ritualist or Assassin. Paragons are a more ofensive then defensive. The ofensive skills do not only boost the aragons attacks but the whole teams. Who would pass up a character that enables all your teams physical damage to burn the struck opponent.

I personally think that the Dervish and Paragon will be more accepted then then the assassin or Ritualist. These two new classes are alot more flexible and useful then the factions classes. Paragon will of course reign supreme :)

EternalSoul

29-08-2006, 01:02

I'll end up playing the Paragon for the simple fact that most people at the start of Nightfall will lean more towards the Dervish than the Paragon.

I do like the idea of a Paragon though so maybe while I'm not on satellite (makes gaming so crappy :cry: ) the Paragon will be quite enjoyable. I almost even liked playing the Paragon on satellite, despite being rly bad since when I would tell him to throw a heal of some sort or chant to keep mending refrain up...it would wait 3 seconds to happen.

critical vengeance

29-08-2006, 01:13

I Orca I

29-08-2006, 02:13

I was playin with the idea of an A/P build, you know the spear skill (Idk what any of the skills were as I was more content onplaying the dervish during the weekend like most people) that caused a deep wound if it hit as a crit hit? Imagine some of the fun you could have with the daze hit. Crit eye would pretty much make sure you hit a critical.

In my mind though, if youre going to use the spear as a weapon dont do it as a paragon primary, their primary attribute isnt made for the spear. However other attacking classes have a good use for their primary attribute when coupled with their weapon, ie. Assasins,warriors and rangers. Their primary attribute makes that class effective as a damage dealer. Dervish dont need a dmg boost with their primary attribute ^ ^, even after nerf they should be pretty awsome....SHOULD be...

Harshateja

29-08-2006, 05:30

Any team with any sense in their mind would bring atleast 1 paragon on their team. I was running a Team Arena with 1 boon prot and me (the paragon singer). We easily got 3 glad points in a single run without a single death until the end when we got owned by a good CoP Spike team (boo!). A paragon easily makes the entire party invincible.

Bozo69PD

29-08-2006, 06:24

[QUOTE=I Orca I]I was playin with the idea of an A/P build, you know the spear skill (Idk what any of the skills were as I was more content onplaying the dervish during the weekend like most people) that caused a deep wound if it hit as a crit hit? Imagine some of the fun you could have with the daze hit. Crit eye would pretty much make sure you hit a critical.

Not too mention you can use sharpen daggers too with high crit, so it will cause deep wound and bleeding. Then you can also give your assassin a shield.

MorpheousX

29-08-2006, 06:53

imho dervish=new assasin, not in terms of likeness or style. But in terms of popularity. Going to be nerfed a lot.

Paragon=new ritualist again only in popularity. However as people start experimenting around pretty soon theres goana be an insane paragon build and voila cookie cutter build+nerf.

so yeah definetly goana try out both classes. (Have tried everything else already)

DarkY

29-08-2006, 08:17

like i mentioned in another thread, i love para's, easy 3 gladi points in the pvp event. This will be THE support char we really can use.

J Unit

30-08-2006, 06:12

The 3 characters I ever play are Warrior, Monk, and Ranger.

From what I've seen Paragon = Warrior + Monk + Ranger.

gg new favorite class

Also the Dervish seems boring to me I don't enjoy enchant spamming and robes in melee.

Fenix Aurion

30-08-2006, 06:28

Lunari

30-08-2006, 18:03

i think that dervish is gonna be a very populair class, butttt just like assasin they just simply lack on armor. No matter how many ench you put on yourself, you are still very funarable. So the dervish players shud wait until the warriors to run to the mobs, just like assasins should do...

and paragons, they are just buffers, very cool buffers, very good buffers. I think they are most wanted in a party. I think that the spear isnt gonna sucseed, i'd say, lost of leadership and then some spear mastery. And when your bored while in battle and all your leadership skills are recharging, use some spear skills...

Allthough they have that horrible skirt, i think (just like with ritualist luxon armor) there sud be SOME pants like pants ^^

Alltogether: Paragons are pritty cool profesions and very handy, most wanted and MABY a replacer for one of the monks in an 8/8 party.... So thats why i chose to be a Paragon, thats my opinion :)

Lunari

30-08-2006, 18:05

but not populair... :P

Findariel

30-08-2006, 18:25

What does everyone think about popularity? How popular do you guys think a paragon will be? I know once Nightfall is out, there will be dervishes running around everywhere (like sins in GWF) but wut about paragon...
Well they have the advantage over assassins that they have more armour and aren't a melee class. I'd rather compare them to Ritualists - unless you want to make a pure spear build.
Paragons will (like Rt's) be gladly accepted in any group as 3rd group support class (next to the 2 monks, of course).

One major advantage over Ritualists is that Paragons can provide extra energy for the group as well. So they don't only add protection and healing but also energy, a thing that was a BP necro thing.

They are very well protected with 80AL so they're not exactly squishy either.

Traynor Dragonblade

30-08-2006, 19:35

The real question is how bad will the dervish be nerf.

Off topic, no this isn't the question...well at least not here as this is a thread about Paragon's usefulness in the Paragon forum :wink: That question has been asked about a million times though :rolleyes:

On topic, I think that this will be a plenty-useful class as well as being a useful secondary class. W/P and R/P are two already I'm seeing some decent synergies with. With Paragons primary you can have a very decent ranged attack, with the ability to equip a shield for extra armor. As it is now, there were plenty of powerful Spear attacks, as well as the numerous buffs that a Paragon provides both themselves and their teammates.

It's so hard to tell right now, where changes are sure to be made...but I think that the Paragon class overall may be more versatile than the Dervish class, at least in a team setting with halfway decent coordination. Of course this is just my opinion though...but as of right now I am more interested in fully testing some of the Paragon class abilities than the Dervish FOTM CoP spike.

galad

30-08-2006, 21:56

Laibeus Lord

30-08-2006, 22:16

During the factions preview events most of the people that played a new class played an assasin. Now, what happened to the sin in pve? During the nightfall preview event, most people that played a new class, played a dervish. What do you think will happen?

During the factions preview event, ritualists were a minority. when factions was released, Ritualists found a slot in the group as Rit lord(group protector). during the nigfall preview events, peragons were a minority. perhaps they too will find a role? Perhaps as a group buffer?

Ssshh... is all I can say :p Don't give them a clue :p I want to enjoy the first 3 months the most when I'll be one of the most demanded prof :p hehehe.....

j/k

To answer the thread - yes Paragons will be useful. Its just that in the PvP Preview, people get attracted to what's "cool" and keeps on playing. The main reason is, the preview "is limited" (hence preview).

But once its out, people will spend sooooo muuuuuuch time building builds left and right for both classes, and one day things will sort of balance out. As everybody said - Sin vs Rt. Look at them now. :)

If GWN will have an Open Beta, surely, people will start to have better builds for the Paragon prof. I already have a couple builds, but I'm sure things will change, we haven't seen all the skills of both C3 profs. :)

Findariel

30-08-2006, 23:45

And don't forget that the PvP preview only had 60 skills (I believe) for each new profession! So there's still some more to come, next to the rebalancing of the classes.

But once its out, people will spend sooooo muuuuuuch time building builds left and right for both classes, and one day things will sort of balance out. As everybody said - Sin vs Rt. Look at them now. :)
Indeed. Will the dervish turn out to be best as a Critical Barrager and the Paragon as a Rt Lord? We don't know yet.

I can only hope that there will be more viable builds that excell than just a few. My main concern - looking at factions - is the limited number of skills, that's a real pity; and 2 pips of energy certainly won't help with secondaries.

Ritual lord ritualist is easily most overpowered pve build there is so I would hardly call Ritualist as not having much use.
I would say that it's quite true. I played the RoF missions with my Rt and (with pugs, and henched Abaddon); 0 deaths in all 3 missions.

But as mentioned above, it's only 1 build. If there's only 1 optimized build for a whole profession, I'd rather had Rt skills added to rangers in stead of wasting a whole new class to 1 single strong setup.

Psymun

31-08-2006, 00:42

Paragons will be... Excellent. :)

critical vengeance

31-08-2006, 00:51

i cannot wait for the event, be intresting to see if they show us any of the elites they have not givin us. I mean the elites they gave so far have been cool, but i wonder what other leadership elites we will get.

devilsmom

31-08-2006, 14:35

well..
also when factions was about to come out every one was excited about the assassian
and as we all know most assassasin are bad while ritualists are good....

critical vengeance

31-08-2006, 20:29

well dervish in ratio is the assassin in popularity while paragon is the ritualist :P so good things should happen

Heath Laron

05-09-2006, 17:29

Paragons are so different, and exciting. Dervish didn't tickle my fancy too much, but Paragon had lots of subtle party buffs, which I really, really like. Certainly worth playing, unless there are too many of them. Too many Warriors - inviting a few into a random PUG won't be too bad. Inviting too many Paragons could be troublesome, especially in a PUG where skill co-ordination with other teamates is minimal. However, this problem already exists with classes that use hexes, and Ritualists.

*Must create a female Paragon sooooooooooonish!*

MaximumSquid

05-09-2006, 18:08

Playing as a Ranged Tank?

are you kidding me?

It's Hax!

Memma

05-09-2006, 19:39

Barrage rangers with 5 pips warrior with 4?! What's not for a pug with low understanding of much to love. Paragon will be awesome, it is only recently they made me decide to roll a paragon before a dervish... i hope they get pants. Check over the paragon skills, some seem like meh, but you will find they can do a lot of cool things. Mending refrain with a little effort can give the whole party like +4 health regeneration, combine that with a ritualist with +3 from recoperation and you have +7 health almost during every battle.

^ Like He Said Above About The Group Healing Necro Will be A Good 2nd Class SO You'd Be Able To Heal All Your Minions

Just A Thought

Arcane Guardian

20-09-2006, 12:00

Well, I am looking forward to my female Paragon very much. This class got my fullest attention when the first information was released and then i tried it during pvp preview event. This is my choice over a dervish, though maybe I will make one too. What I really like is the Motivation line skills especcially. And not all skills are known yet. I expect some good Motivation elites for example. I hope i will be able to participate and experiment even more during the upcoming pve event.
Definitely worth the slot, in my opinion.

Yubiwa

23-09-2006, 18:28

I was originally hyped about getting NF JUST for dervish. But after the preview event I plan to get NF just for paragon. Hands-on gameplay of dervish disappointed me greatly.

Looking forward for the final release =)

Hiero

23-09-2006, 21:52

Same here, hated Dervish made a Paragon and am absolutely loving it.

I think my other characters will see a lot less of me when NF is released.

Zingeri

23-09-2006, 22:10

Right now, I'm in the middle. I'm dissappointed about how the Paragon was nerfed.

It doesn't matter now. I'm still playing my Nec through first. :grin:

Ashin

24-09-2006, 08:33

Ritual lord ritualist is easily most overpowered pve build there is so I would hardly call Ritualist as not having much use.

Too bad it was recently severly nerfed.

Anyway, as for Paragon, I think this is a very strong class for sure, and also offers some very rich subclass possibilities imo. But I also think its a subtle class, and its going to take some time for people to figure out the new things they can do with a Para in their team build.

I'm dealing with a fairly limited skill selection in the PvE section of the preview, and probably won't have much time to seriously PvP with one, but I do plan to play Paragon when Nightfall releases.

Currently my Para is P/E with melee ward, and mostly motivation/leadership for a support oriented class... you can pretty much make a bard if you want to, especially when echo's are thrown into the mix. But this is a very interesting take on the traditional rpg "bard". Even with a mostly support oriented build, I am suprised how much I can contribute offensively. When everyone in the party gets a 2-second burn here and there, it adds up. When you can throw a deep wound on something, its significant.

So, for all its support utility, this class is not without its offensive contribution, and unlike a ritualist, a paragon can actually do both in one build.

I love my Rit. I'm going to love my Para. And I foresee some interesting Rt/P's and P/Rt's in my arena future. =)

captain lucky

24-09-2006, 09:40

I am loving the spear mastery to the class The combiunations this could be used though to buff a team up in HA,Ab ect are many. I hope that when Nightfall is released they get a buff especially there elites are not very useful but from day 1 I will be using a paragon although I might finish first with my ele

mocax

24-09-2006, 16:13

Paragons are good for teams, they do shouts and echos to buff up the team.
All the Leroy Jenkins and Kiljoy Stoneskins out there need not apply.

NobleNick

25-09-2006, 15:54

Is it me, or will paragon be another of those classes thrown aside that not to many people play but if used right can be one of the best. (such as ritualist and mesmer)?
A lot more like Rit than Mesmer; I would say. Mesmers still have a tough time getting into PvE PUGs. I see Paragons, like Rits, being a sought-after commodity.

Right now, all my friends that play gw in school are getting excited about the dervish and don't give a crap about Paragon. Will the Paragon be a good class?
Seems like the direct contact classes get the most interest in each release (Warrior, Assassin, Dervish), especially by teens; but the support classes are the ones everyone is looking for at PvE party time. (Monk, Elementalist, Ritualist, and (I believe) Paragon).

...and paragons, they are just buffers, very cool buffers, very good buffers. I think they are most wanted in a party. I think that the spear isnt gonna sucseed, i'd say, lost of leadership and then some spear mastery. And when your bored while in battle and all your leadership skills are recharging, use some spear skills...
Exactly how I used my Paragon in the preview event. I think the spear will succeed, though. I found the poison spear exceptionally useful.

One major advantage over Ritualists is that Paragons can provide extra energy for the group as well. So they don't only add protection and healing but also energy, a thing that was a BP necro thing.

They are very well protected with 80AL so they're not exactly squishy either.
Good points.

...as for Paragon, I think this is a very strong class for sure, and also offers some very rich subclass possibilities imo. ...Even with a mostly support oriented build, I am suprised how much I can contribute offensively. When everyone in the party gets a 2-second burn here and there, it adds up... So, for all its support utility, this class is not without its offensive contribution, and unlike a ritualist, a paragon can actually do both in one build.
Amen to that! Can a Dervish turn 4 or 6 of the enemy into flaming shiskebobs virtually simultaneously? A Paragon can. And he can do it maybe four or six times per battle. It's called ANTHEM OF FLAME. And the DPS to the enemy party is so astonishing, that I'm afraid this skill will get nerfed. Meanwhile, in my estimation, the Paragon offensive buffs not only deal out more damage than direct methods (spear) in parties of 4 or more; but also, in parties of 8 or more, deal far more damage than any other single toon.

I love spamming this spell in large parties, and watching the opposition everywhere turning into crispy critters. A Paragon is well worth having in parties of 6 or more, even if all he brings is 7 skills to keep himself alive, and AoF. But, as has been stated, the Paragon has so much more to offer besides that; e.g., team energy, protection and healing buffs. I believe PUGs will be EXTREMELY quick to realize the value of a Paragon over a second Dervish or Warrior. The Paragon will become the new Rit (i.e, will be sought after) for PvE play; whereas the Dervish; because of it's extreme popularity, will have a tougher time finding parties.

I love my Monk. I love my Rit. I am very much looking forward to my Paragon: a support character with teeth, and that is not squishy!