Pants!

[RuneCaster]

Male Paragon armour would be 500% better if there was even just one set that had PANTS. I've given up on my Paragon because all the armour is so....bleh. There's no variety among all the sets, not even the 15ks. Not to mention for the most part you can't dye anything but the trim.

Heck, there's only one set of male armour where your navel doesn't show. o.O

I can see the look they were trying to go for. That sort of Roman centurion thing. The problem is it came out looking like...how do I put it? I feel like my Paragon should be dancing on the lead float in the pride parade. -.-

I like the class, but I was really dissappointed in the armour design and total lack of variety. I was really hopeful the 15k's would offer something different or at least non-male stripperish...

Anyone else dissappointed with the 15ks? ( Or want pants? Please, even just one set with pants.... )

[Mr Panda]

Eeew no. Paragon armour would look absoutely stupid if it had trousers of any kind. It ruins the look completely. They dont look male stripperish. Just cast your mind back a couple of thousand years.

But they would look awful with 'pants'. Completely.

[Calynda Danyciar]

dont make Male para then,make female-
much better armors :wink:

[requinox]

Well ANET certainly likes keeping armor themes. Violating these holy rules would be a no-no. For example, female elementalist armor showing no skin would be unacceptable :laugh:

Along those same lines, nothing says paragon like "white" and "skirt"

[Viti Ligo]

Well ANET certainly likes keeping armor themes. Violating these holy rules would be a no-no. For example, female elementalist armor showing no skin would be unacceptable :laugh:

Along those same lines, nothing says paragon like "white" and "skirt"

There has been one armor (obsidian) for female elementalists that do not show skin except face. Also their collector armor does not show skin except face and hands ( which have been the best lookin ele female armor since nf and elite sunspear armor, imo )...

[Lady Rhonwyn]

There has been one armor (obsidian) for female elementalists that do not show skin except face. Also their collector armor does not show skin except face and hands ( which have been the best lookin ele female armor since nf and elite sunspear armor, imo )...

Krytan (or was it Tyrian?) a.k.a. Elementalist Armour (from Prophecies) doesn't show skin.

And the paragon is based on roman soldiers, so, no leggings.

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

Try searching for "hoplite".....

A paragon with trousers would be like a modern army soldier in a skirt.

No offense to the scots (wink)

http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/images/300332.jpg

http://www.larp.com/hoplite/musc1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Greek_hoplite.png

I want a helmet for my paragon!!!


Can you see where I'm going with my paragon?

[IMG]http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/Sheikhalstranghi/paragon.jpg

[Calynda Danyciar]

There has been one armor (obsidian) for female elementalists that do not show skin except face. Also their collector armor does not show skin except face and hands ( which have been the best lookin ele female armor since nf and elite sunspear armor, imo )...

Lol you can see your leg's trough the Dress(hose/skirt/pants) of ele collector actually...


I want a helmet for my paragon!!!
Noo! im happy with the star thingies on your head, i definitly dont like helmets on para :wink:, warriors have helmets, Dervish have capes..thats enough if you ask me :smiley:

[Auntie I]

Well ANET certainly likes keeping armor themes. Violating these holy rules would be a no-no. For example, female elementalist armor showing no skin would be unacceptable :laugh:

Along those same lines, nothing says paragon like "white" and "skirt"
Actually this is a picture of the Elementalist Ancient Armor, and I think this Ele is pretty well covered.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/Nadra58/AncientOriginal.jpg

However it doesn't really look like the Paragon is going to get pants!

[RuneCaster]

A helmet would be nice, or at least something on the knees. I do realise they were going for the Roman centurion look, I mentioned that. But Paragon armour is too light and dainty to be Roman armour. Roman armour was heavier and didn't usually leave anything except a bit of the thighs and elbows exposed. Roman armour "skirt"s were longer. Paragons have miniskirts with gold trim.

No Roman ( or any type of warrior ) in his right mind would run into battle with his stomach exposed either.

I can easily live with pantless armour provided the rest of the armour comes off as actual armour. But it doesn't.

So Paragon armour is *still* missing something. Be it better leg armour, a helmet or covering up the navel, whatever. As is, it just looks....silly. All the tacky wings, gold trim and glaring white base colours just make it look, well, fake and tacky. It looks like a bad Halloween costume. Maybe if you could dye the base white it'd improve somewhat.

( and before I get accused of a double standard, no, I don't like the "fantasy female" style of armour that leaves the belly exposed either. )

I'll agree to disagree, I'm just stating my opinion, not inciting an arguement. But even if you like what ANet came up with, you still have to concede that the variety in Paragon armour is extremely bland. The 15ks don't stand out at all. Only FoW is half way decent. =/

If there was a nice 15k to be had I'd go with that...

But I still think the male Paragons look like they lost a bet and were forced to wear their girlfriend's armour. ;p

[Kojak]

I actually completely dig the male paragon armor. I'm suprized your not complaining about male dervishes wearing dresses too :P

[Dalliance Jade]

The exposed belly part is, admittedly, a bit silly. I mean seriously now, "let's leave our midriff exposed so that a warrior can easily eviscerate us without denting his axe in the process..." I'm sure that would really lend itself to survivability in real life.

Fortunately, this isn't real life (which is why my elementalist doesn't shiver to death while wearing her skanky armor in the Shiverpeaks....)

In the end, I landed up purchasing the Elonian chestpiece (which covers the belly) and Sunspear pieces for the rest. I actually think the overall effect is really nice.

[Heath Laron]

dont make Male para then,make female-
much better armors :wink:
Quoted for truth. ;)

I don't think the armours are too bad. I prefer male Vabbian armour over female (the whole stockings and long gloves that female gets isn't my cup of tea). Aside from that though, I prefer female Paragon armour, with all the dainty wings. (15k Sunspear, anyone?)

If I was a wind-up artist, I would say (from a British point of view): they need trousers... I checked, and they most certainly have pants. :P (I didn't check - a guildmate started dancing nigh on naked in our GH, spouting off that his Paragon had Y-fronts.) :azn:

[RuneCaster]

I like the Dervish dresses because they're just that, a battle dress. Paragons have battle skirts. :grin:

Yeah, the Elonian chest piece is the only one you won't be gutted in. I still wish there was a set with either a helmet ( I would kill for a roman style helmet ) or heavier leg armour ( Like up to knees, Roman style. )

I guess my problem is they seem....whats the word...top heavy design wise? Like there's not enough going on below the waist ( Awful as that sounds ). The Dervish is nice because the battle dress is long, beautifully animated and has lots of awesome little details ( Like the various chains / straps etc that move indepedently of the dress ). Paragon skirts are short, stiff and have no cool doohickeys to speak off ( Although they are so short your own doohickeys may be visible. )

I dunno, the Dervish got a *lot* of love, I wonder if the Paragon didn't quite get as big of a share due to time constraints.

Maybe if the Paragon armour had lengths of fabric or an underdress like ye old Romans would wear. Roman battle dress was usually made of strips of studded leather, so it would have had a lot of movement to it. Paragons kinda look like they welded a skirt out of sheet metal.

I guess it ironically needs to be MORE Roman.

But yes, most female ele armour is pretty slutastic. ^^

[Sitting Sock]

Pants are for sissies and blacksmiths. We're at war here, can't be dancing spears in anything but a kilt ;)

[gwchi]

yea pants look out of place with a roman/centurion-esque armor.

[Tinnic]

Male Paragon armour would be 500% better if there was even just one set that had PANTS. I've given up on my Paragon because all the armour is so....bleh. There's no variety among all the sets, not even the 15ks. Not to mention for the most part you can't dye anything but the trim.

Heck, there's only one set of male armour where your navel doesn't show. o.O

I can see the look they were trying to go for. That sort of Roman centurion thing. The problem is it came out looking like...how do I put it? I feel like my Paragon should be dancing on the lead float in the pride parade. -.-

I like the class, but I was really dissappointed in the armour design and total lack of variety. I was really hopeful the 15k's would offer something different or at least non-male stripperish...

Anyone else dissappointed with the 15ks? ( Or want pants? Please, even just one set with pants.... )


I am stunned and shocked at the reaction so many men are having to the male Paragon.

There are MANY culture aruond the world were "skirt" type clothing is the national dress.

Kilts in Scotland
Dhoti in India
Lungi in Bangladesh
Sarong in South Pacific


Going back to ancient times, all soldiers wore Paragon type skirts. So I don't understand what the big deal is! I would have thought pants would have stopped equally manhood when women started wearing them but whatever.

Anyway, for your reading please: I present to you all, this article I found on Men in Skirts (http://www.littleindia.com/december2003/Men%20in%20Skirts.htm)

[RuneCaster]

I would agree with you if Paragon armour looked anything like any of the pictures in your article, or roman skirts, or scottish kilts ( My family is Scottish anyhow, no opposition to a kilt here. ). But as I said, Paragon "skirts" look like they're made from sheet metal and the leg armour is really bleh. Not to mention the navel being exposed ruins any hope in heck of the armour being taken seriously. Especially by guys. Lets face it, a belly shirt isn't the most masculine thing in the universe. Even if it is made from metal. Heck, Sunspear armour has dyable nipples.

If they actually looked and moved like fabric or leather like the Dervish's skirts it'd come off much better. If you added the appropriately styled helm and shin guards ( Not glorified sandels with little wingies glued on ) and stopped with the belly shirt look they'd look great.

As is the only suit that actually looks decent is Elonian and mayhaps 5k Vabbian ( But those little shoulder wingies kinda ruin it ). They actually come off as armour and look closer to real roman armour stylings. Its very dissappointing when a base armour looks better then the 15ks.

That combined with the fact you really can't get any variation in Paragon armour makes it all rather dissappointing. When I first picked up a couple pieces of 15k I found I didn't even notice a difference from the regular armour unless I was actually looking for it.

Usually when you see prestige armour you notice it. With a Paragon armour you skim over it then wonder later why that guy had two wingies on his shoulders instead of one.

[Tinnic]

I would agree with you if Paragon armour looked anything like any of the pictures in your article, or roman skirts, or scottish kilts ( My family is Scottish anyhow, no opposition to a kilt here. ). But as I said, Paragon "skirts" look like they're made from sheet metal and the leg armour is really bleh. Not to mention the navel being exposed ruins any hope in heck of the armour being taken seriously. Especially by guys. Lets face it, a belly shirt isn't the most masculine thing in the universe. Even if it is made from metal. Heck, Sunspear armour has dyable nipples.

If they actually looked and moved like fabric or leather like the Dervish's skirts it'd come off much better. If you added the appropriately styled helm and shin guards ( Not glorified sandels with little wingies glued on ) and stopped with the belly shirt look they'd look great.

As is the only suit that actually looks decent is Elonian and mayhaps 5k Vabbian ( But those little shoulder wingies kinda ruin it ). They actually come off as armour and look closer to real roman armour stylings. Its very dissappointing when a base armour looks better then the 15ks.

That combined with the fact you really can't get any variation in Paragon armour makes it all rather dissappointing. When I first picked up a couple pieces of 15k I found I didn't even notice a difference from the regular armour unless I was actually looking for it.

Usually when you see prestige armour you notice it. With a Paragon armour you skim over it then wonder later why that guy had two wingies on his shoulders instead of one.


If it's just the look of Paragon armor that you have a problem with then I can respect that. I mean, I myself am a bit meh with most of the female Paragon armour. I do however object to this insistence on pants! Men don't need pants to be manly damn it! Just look at Sean Connery!


Edit: Here is another thing. Female Guild Wars characters have been showing their navals since day 1! Anet striks a blow for equality of sexes by both having pretty men (let's face it, a lot of Paragons put Brad Pitt to shame) and men showing their navals and studdenly everybody is in a huff! Hmpf!

[Synthos dawnbreaker]

well warriors wear skirts, and there's that new monk armour with that bath towel.... :P
I love my male ancient armour (use the attention emote and the shoulder wings fall into the 6 wing dwayna formation ;) ) and I think it would be ruined with *ahem* trousers :P
(on the note of the dyable nipples, 15k male monk aestetics has half dyed nipples :O ;) )

[RuneCaster]

Well yes, I do agree the male Paragons are very....pretty. Unsettlingly so at times. Paragon must be latin for "Fantastically Metrosexual".

But as I said, I'm not fond of the navel appearing whenever armour is involved regardless of gender. Way too many games take this "Hah! Women never get hit in the thighs or stomach anyway! Why put armour there?" approach.

I probably picked the wrong title for this thread. But it still feels like most Paragon armour is missing something. I wish they had gone 100% Roman instead of halfway. Some nice helms, detailed battle skirts that move like a Dervish's ( Not sheet metal miniskirts ) and better shin guards would have solidified it. As is they just seem...lacking. Something about the overall impression of most male Paragon armour makes me feel like something's missing.

Still, like I said, even if you like it you have to admit we got jyped on variety. -.-

[Aiiane]

Well ANET certainly likes keeping armor themes. Violating these holy rules would be a no-no. For example, female elementalist armor showing no skin would be unacceptable :laugh:


http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/aiiane/aii/fow/front-right.jpg

Pardon?

(Sorry, couldn't resist. Obsidian armor has to be my favorite elementalist look.)

[Healia Exe]

No offense, but I do not like female FoW, it looks pretty cool on males though. And I think most of the male paragon armor looks awesome. How can you ever imagine a paragon in any kind of pants. >_<

[RuneCaster]

No offense, but I do not like female FoW, it looks pretty cool on males though. And I think most of the male paragon armor looks awesome. How can you ever imagine a paragon in any kind of pants. >_<

Like I said, probably the wrong thread title ;p read the whole thing hehe.

I dunno, I like that Ele armour. Most female Ele armour is basically panties with some purple tissue stuffed into the waist band for effect. Maybe some gloves if you're lucky. Must be cold as heck. ;p

Always thought it was funny since male Eles are completely overdressed by comparison. Its sacriledge for a male ele to show anything more then his neck.

[altoids]

Paragon's are too Leet for Pants

[Lensor]

Hahaha most epic thread necro ever!

[supermanboy]

To be honest, the kilts are fine. Cool in fact. Made out of leather and metal, definently designed for protection. I'd take a helmet over pants any day. Even the helmets the paragons in Istan have are sweet. ;)

[RabidCoqui]

My main complaints with Para armor are the lack of variety and that dye only affects the trim. I'm not too thrilled with some common elements of the armors as well. Like the wings or other protrusions, especially from the footwear... plus that most are sandals or open-toed. My favorite armor for Para is still comprised of mainly Istani pieces.

I have similar complaints about other professions too... I guess it's a good thing that I tend to prefer the look of non-elite armors.

[Aoi Enishi]

Mind you that this threads arguments have been shut down to some degree since the release of eotn, now several armors cover the naval button such as Asuran Monument and norn, where previously it was only vabbian and 1k elonian. Longer skirts are also now available (Ancient Asuran, Monument, Norn)

[Da Bishie]

What!? I love the man skirts. Man skirt+stairs = /happyface

[Soulstorm]

As someone pointed out (four years ago; I know), Paragons are hoplites, not legionnaires.

Only male Vabbian W armour even approaches a proper Roman look (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorica_segmentata).

I would much like a proper hoplite-styled helmet for Ps, though. The P headgear "design" is just, well, lazy.
-All of them looks like floating pieces of a broken bottle; easily one of the worst thought out design lines in GW, alongside the Monk head tattoos that are only visible if the character happens to be bald...

[Auntie I]

As someone pointed out (four years ago; I know), Paragons are hoplites, not legionnaires.

Only male Vabbian W armour even approaches a proper Roman look (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorica_segmentata).

I would much like a proper hoplite-styled helmet for Ps, though. The P headgear "design" is just, well, lazy.
-All of them looks like floating pieces of a broken bottle; easily one of the worst thought out design lines in GW, alongside the Monk head tattoos that are only visible if the character happens to be bald...

I agree with you on the helmet, the current designs are why I bought the Spectacles for my Parry. Lesser of several evils... :wink:

[BrettM]

I'm surprised that nobody in this thread has pointed out that there are sets of para armor in the game with pants. Unfortunately, they're for heroes. All of Morgahn's sets have pants, and Hayda's Deldrimor set has them. I would love to have the male equivalent of Hayda's pants. (That was awkward, but it wouldn't be as awkward as saying I want to get into her pants. :wink:)

The opportunities for puns here are legion. "I have a para pants!"

[OhFrustration]

Paragon pants, meh. The hoplite/Roman soldier theme suffers.

Also Brett, one more post and you'll hit 1000.

[Alaris]

Brett's postcount is the devil's number upside down. BURN HIM!

It'll be funnier in two posts.