sequel
09-01-2007, 17:23
1.) Gods and their avatars :
Abbaddon dies and Kormir becomes the new god absorbing the power of the slain one. The other gods call it a gift. They all follow a certain type of power which can be used for good or evil. Abbadon is considered the god of lies while Kormir becomes the god of truth, two sides of the same coin.
This got me wondering, are avatars and gods the same or just a way for the gods to influence on the world. It seems to me the power originates from the god, but the use is determinated by the avatar. Of course the god wants the power he grants to be used in a certain way and chooses his avatar wisly, asking for total obedience or even twists their minds in the way he wants them.
We also know that Varesh gradually transformed physicly into an abbadon-like creature the more abbadons power gets unleashed, maybe she had been chossen by abbadon to become his avatar.
With Abbadons defeat Kormir gets to choose for herself what to do with the power forcefully taken.
Could other choosen avatars be acting in their own manner as well ? If the gods only express power and the avatars use these couldn't the inhabitants of former Orr, have harnessed these powers and be considered the 5 gods worshipped troughout the world, while they remain only avatars.
One more thing, gaining tremendous power also comes with duties, duties established by the true gods and expressing their will even though the power granted to fullfill these duties is also used by the avatars for personnal benefit along the way.
This also leaves room for more gods influencing the world then only the 5 ( well 6 ) gods we know of ?
Well the fact avatars are the ones wielding the power given by gods would at least explain the way Kormir became an avatar/god/whatever. As for logical purpose the only "gods" we know and are confronted with are the avatars nevertheless, means we got to deal with them rather then the source of their power, but their could be something behind them we will get to face one day in later chapters.
Some facts to support this :
- the dervish seem to use the power taken at the source as well ... by which means ... by using capture signets who are said to be developped from ancient orr scrolls.
- all those we call gods are said to have been mortal once
Possible conclusion :
the civilization of orr wasn't the settlement of the gods and it wasn't the gods that granted magic skills to the world .. it was likly that this civilization
discovered ways to harness the power of gods and unleash them onto the world ... they've opened something like pandora's box.
those orr-civilians that became masters ( better then the rest ) of this new aquired powers are those we consider gods now, or rather their avatars acting to some degree according to the rules or will of these unleashed powers and acting according their own believes.
Abbadon was nevertheless considered a too dangerous power to play with and got expelled never to be used. While the other gods found unwillingly a way to interact directly with the mortal world he got neglected which would explain his rage and vengeance beeing as a first target the civilization of orr.
2.) Nemesis theory :
Which god is Abbadons true nemesis and vice versa, which god was his ultimate target ?
Why do I ask this kind of thing, well :
Grenth VS Dhuum
Balthazar VS Menzie
Also these are the gods that grant us access to their domains. The portals story ( odran something ) put aside, we seem to enter with more facility when there are wars going on in the respectif domains between the forces of gods ( no one left to guard the door, busy fighting, or enter who ever gives me a hand here beating thoses pests, since the contribution fee is meant to support either grenth or balthazar ).
Abbadon gets clearly attacked by joint forces of the 5 gods but whose leading the attack. Obviously Grenth and bathazar are busy and someone of the other 3 must have asked them to put their own affairs aside for a bit.
I don't remember in the final missions of nightfall which avatar was actually talking to Kormir about the gift and telleing her what to do, while the others only stood by ?
I also believe a strong link between new chapters and the remaining domains of gods, which arent but simple bonus levels.
I also find the vengeance theory a little to simplified. Bouh, i'm the bad Abbadon, i'll gonna take revenge and destroy everthing to become the only ruler. Chances are he had something more in mind, satisfying his revenge as a bonus feature. We'll all agree that there's is a power struggle between gods, yet they all influence the world ( abbadon even did that while beeing imprisonned ). So the influence on the world doesn't seem to be their goal, then why do they measure their respectif powers against each other ? What's the catch. Are there still powers unreached by those we consider gods ?
Connection to the first question :
In the beginning the balance between powers/gods existed and couldn't be breached by their own means until the orr found a way to influence this balance. From that day on , the gods were granted a new opportunity to determine who's the strongest among them except for abbadon. The avatars of course saw but their own benefits but their actions ultimatly were for the benefit of each individual god, increasing their presence in a world they've shared equally at start. Abbadon could just be trying to catch up with the others who conviently ignored him.
Final note : no i'm not nuts or under heavy medication, if my brain has leaked all this nonsence it's only because reading threads in the lore forum got me started, hence i'm not more lunatic then you all :grin:
Abbaddon dies and Kormir becomes the new god absorbing the power of the slain one. The other gods call it a gift. They all follow a certain type of power which can be used for good or evil. Abbadon is considered the god of lies while Kormir becomes the god of truth, two sides of the same coin.
This got me wondering, are avatars and gods the same or just a way for the gods to influence on the world. It seems to me the power originates from the god, but the use is determinated by the avatar. Of course the god wants the power he grants to be used in a certain way and chooses his avatar wisly, asking for total obedience or even twists their minds in the way he wants them.
We also know that Varesh gradually transformed physicly into an abbadon-like creature the more abbadons power gets unleashed, maybe she had been chossen by abbadon to become his avatar.
With Abbadons defeat Kormir gets to choose for herself what to do with the power forcefully taken.
Could other choosen avatars be acting in their own manner as well ? If the gods only express power and the avatars use these couldn't the inhabitants of former Orr, have harnessed these powers and be considered the 5 gods worshipped troughout the world, while they remain only avatars.
One more thing, gaining tremendous power also comes with duties, duties established by the true gods and expressing their will even though the power granted to fullfill these duties is also used by the avatars for personnal benefit along the way.
This also leaves room for more gods influencing the world then only the 5 ( well 6 ) gods we know of ?
Well the fact avatars are the ones wielding the power given by gods would at least explain the way Kormir became an avatar/god/whatever. As for logical purpose the only "gods" we know and are confronted with are the avatars nevertheless, means we got to deal with them rather then the source of their power, but their could be something behind them we will get to face one day in later chapters.
Some facts to support this :
- the dervish seem to use the power taken at the source as well ... by which means ... by using capture signets who are said to be developped from ancient orr scrolls.
- all those we call gods are said to have been mortal once
Possible conclusion :
the civilization of orr wasn't the settlement of the gods and it wasn't the gods that granted magic skills to the world .. it was likly that this civilization
discovered ways to harness the power of gods and unleash them onto the world ... they've opened something like pandora's box.
those orr-civilians that became masters ( better then the rest ) of this new aquired powers are those we consider gods now, or rather their avatars acting to some degree according to the rules or will of these unleashed powers and acting according their own believes.
Abbadon was nevertheless considered a too dangerous power to play with and got expelled never to be used. While the other gods found unwillingly a way to interact directly with the mortal world he got neglected which would explain his rage and vengeance beeing as a first target the civilization of orr.
2.) Nemesis theory :
Which god is Abbadons true nemesis and vice versa, which god was his ultimate target ?
Why do I ask this kind of thing, well :
Grenth VS Dhuum
Balthazar VS Menzie
Also these are the gods that grant us access to their domains. The portals story ( odran something ) put aside, we seem to enter with more facility when there are wars going on in the respectif domains between the forces of gods ( no one left to guard the door, busy fighting, or enter who ever gives me a hand here beating thoses pests, since the contribution fee is meant to support either grenth or balthazar ).
Abbadon gets clearly attacked by joint forces of the 5 gods but whose leading the attack. Obviously Grenth and bathazar are busy and someone of the other 3 must have asked them to put their own affairs aside for a bit.
I don't remember in the final missions of nightfall which avatar was actually talking to Kormir about the gift and telleing her what to do, while the others only stood by ?
I also believe a strong link between new chapters and the remaining domains of gods, which arent but simple bonus levels.
I also find the vengeance theory a little to simplified. Bouh, i'm the bad Abbadon, i'll gonna take revenge and destroy everthing to become the only ruler. Chances are he had something more in mind, satisfying his revenge as a bonus feature. We'll all agree that there's is a power struggle between gods, yet they all influence the world ( abbadon even did that while beeing imprisonned ). So the influence on the world doesn't seem to be their goal, then why do they measure their respectif powers against each other ? What's the catch. Are there still powers unreached by those we consider gods ?
Connection to the first question :
In the beginning the balance between powers/gods existed and couldn't be breached by their own means until the orr found a way to influence this balance. From that day on , the gods were granted a new opportunity to determine who's the strongest among them except for abbadon. The avatars of course saw but their own benefits but their actions ultimatly were for the benefit of each individual god, increasing their presence in a world they've shared equally at start. Abbadon could just be trying to catch up with the others who conviently ignored him.
Final note : no i'm not nuts or under heavy medication, if my brain has leaked all this nonsence it's only because reading threads in the lore forum got me started, hence i'm not more lunatic then you all :grin: