Is this the location of Chapter 4?

[JayyDestroyer]

http://www.semyazas.de/senti/gw263.jpg

Found this on another forum and associated it with what Bahltek was saying (In Elona):


"They belonged to a most effulgent mage from an exceptionnaly advanced civilization. He was able to traverse through multiple planes of existence, some of wich predate the one you currently call your native soil. no, i won't tell you more. No, you can't fetch anything for me. No, i don't need your help at all, thank you.Now, if you'll excuse me, i have "big person" quandaries to ruminate over."


Why am I here? Fine, if it will make you move on. Water is powerful; more powerful, I'm sure, than you realize. It can be used as a mirror to see into places that are magically obscured. As you can see, we are surrounded by the viscous substance, and I happen to have a bowl. I will leave it to your dizzyingly vigorous intellect to put together that parcel of information to your own avail. Now... please.. leave me alone!"

Hmmmmm...

Could what Bahtek is saying be related to what appears to be a HUGE mountain?

Also, If we refer to THIS (http://spark72.com/aus/downloads/full_tyria.jpg) map, we can see that this mountain is clearly not in the shiverpeaks. It appears to be to the west of Tyria, if it is a new continent.

[Quintus Antonius]

That's a very interesting find. But I think it is premature and irresponsible to relate every new finding to Chapter 4. Nevertheless, it's a great find.

[JayyDestroyer]

Just found out you can see it from Jahai as well. I've tried a few other places in Kourna, and Jahai is the only place.

http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/210481_gw043.jpg

[boxterduke]

To the OP, if you checked all the thread where you got this pic from then you would have noticed that it shows in multiple places.
It just art that devs use for the horizon.

[Quintus Antonius]

Or is it? Standing alone, perhaps, but coupled with the mystery black dot, and NPCs who speak of moving and disappearing islands of powerful mages (possibly even Mursaat), I'm not so sure we can dismiss this as "just the horizon".

[Ranger Nietzsche]

Is that how a moderator should talk QA?

"OR IS IT!!!!"

so melodramatic

:P

[Barinthus]

Eh how can I miss that mountain??? Too bad I uninstalled the game already - will have to check it out when I'm back

[aptaleonII]

The mountains visible from Kourna, if you check your "M" maps, are actually those far-off mountains that enclose the desolation. they are actually there. so, no, i don't think that everything used as a background is just a generic "background/horizon".

[Santax]

The mountains visible from Kourna, if you check your "M" maps, are actually those far-off mountains that enclose the desolation. they are actually there. so, no, i don't think that everything used as a background is just a generic "background/horizon".

For once, I'm inclined to agree with the whole "generic art that the devs use" thing. The backgrounds used for the sky are just jpg files, and this mountain happens to be one of them.

[sententia]

Hi, Im the one who took the screen and I thought this is just a very nice view and looks like the mount everest of guildwars:D After the whole discussion I don't believe it's just a simple background picture because you just see it in jahai and fahranur, and nowhere else. It is always in the same direction as the mountains situated in the desolation you see on your worldmap. You can also see it from kodonur crossroad. Its a different picture, smaller and blurred, but also in the direction as the far away mountains. So..if its a generic background picture it is one which always represents far away mountains and this would mean that west from fahranur is something more than just an ocean.

[Quintus Antonius]

Also, in your screenshot, you are facing out to sea, not towards Kourna or the Desolation.

[GhostXL]

The fact that Anet says they always place hints to the next chapter can also mean something. I mean...the Bahtek thing and then that pic sorta fits.

[keroshinigami]

While I have no idea if the picture correlates to chapter 4, I do believe that mountain is quite interesting. I took a stroll to a couple borders of prophecies, and factions, and while looking into the distance there is no land. Rather, you can’t see land. There is a large amount of fog that builds up in the distance, which blocks off sight.

In North Kryta, there is a fairly large lake, and using the M map there is no doubt there is land on the other side. However looking off into the distance no land is visible. It is too foggy to see anything.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/KeroShinigami/Guild%20Wars/fogkryta.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/KeroShinigami/Guild%20Wars/fogkrytamap.jpg

The same thing happened in Shing Jea. Looking into the distance there is no land visible, but on the map it is painfully obvious land exists out there.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/KeroShinigami/Guild%20Wars/fogshingjea.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/KeroShinigami/Guild%20Wars/fogmapshingjea.jpg

More examples of foggy distance are Kaineng(north west) and the Moon Fortress(south). I don’t believe this is a simple JPG used for a background, considering the distance of the land on these maps compared to the mountains likely distance from elona.

[Quintus Antonius]

Actually, there is land visable in those pictures. It's very thin, light, and stretched across the horizon.

Maybe I can see it cause my graphics card is better and I'm on a HD LCD monitor.

[Barinthus]

Lets grace us with screenies from your computer? /beg

;)

[Quintus Antonius]

Just copy and paste the screenshots into MS Paint, and invert the colors. You can quite clearly see the horizon landline.

[Barinthus]

curses, foiled again!

[GhostXL]

Im also on HD LCD and can see the faint line...its definately there...

[Kalidri]

Idle thought after having a nice run out there - I like that area and it is a simple run for a ranger with escape :)

I find it significant that in Fahrunar when you reach the spot where you can look out to sea and view the mountain, that the monumental statues are all looking west towards the mountain as well. What are these figures watching? Why do they face west? Even the statues out on the islands beyond the temple face west. Just wondering if there was something they found threatening or perhaps worthy of honor out there?

Also is it possible it could be a mirage of Mt. Qinkai? Perhaps all this tells us is that the latitude of Istan is similar to the Jade Sea (and yes I am aware it is a big distance...but it is roughly conical and there are rl phenomena that can project distant mountains quite a long ways).

[Karuro]

Idle thought after having a nice run out there - I like that area and it is a simple run for a ranger with escape :)

I find it significant that in Fahrunar when you reach the spot where you can look out to sea and view the mountain, that the monumental statues are all looking west towards the mountain as well. What are these figures watching? Why do they face west? Even the statues out on the islands beyond the temple face west. Just wondering if there was something they found threatening or perhaps worthy of honor out there?

Also is it possible it could be a mirage of Mt. Qinkai? Perhaps all this tells us is that the latitude of Istan is similar to the Jade Sea (and yes I am aware it is a big distance...but it is roughly conical and there are rl phenomena that can project distant mountains quite a long ways).

Well the mountain would be west of Elona, while Cantha is more south (if we follow the map posted in this thread).

[keroshinigami]

Actually, there is land visable in those pictures. It's very thin, light, and stretched across the horizon.

Maybe I can see it cause my graphics card is better and I'm on a HD LCD monitor.

ok.. that just really bothers me. i think i see it in kryta, but really cant see it on the shing jea one...

either way would this say they take all land into consideration validating that mountain as something rather then nothing?

[klevox]

Ok i have beaten the Night Fall game multiple times now. But I have never seen this Black dotof the coast. Can some oneplease post a screen of it, it drives me crazy hearing about it but never seen it.:huh: TY

[Karuro]

Ok i have beaten the Night Fall game multiple times now. But I have never seen this Black dotof the coast. Can some oneplease post a screen of it, it drives me crazy hearing about it but never seen it.:huh: TY
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4499955&postcount=1

Elona's greatest mystery.. ;)
It seems to appear not to everyone though.

[Sir Jack]

What's also curious about that spot is that a single Harpy is looking at it. All other harpies come in groups of 2+ and move around.

[Kailden Jera]

A montain in the orizon? Interesting...

[Quintus Antonius]

Interesting that the mountain is roughly in the same place as the black dot.

[Sasha Deathtouch]

I don't know. It appears to me that the mountain from Kourna is not in the same direction as the one in Cantha. Admittedly I haven't gone to check these locations out myself, and without an M map to show the direction that Jayy was facing in relation to the world map, I don't know for sure, but that is just my observation.

Also, I have to go against the whole "Devs just needed a background" theory for this reason. It doesn't look like the mountain is solid. That's right, it looks like a mirage, not unlike the mirage of the colossus in the Crystal desert.

[Kos Luftar]

What's also curious about that spot is that a single Harpy is looking at it. All other harpies come in groups of 2+ and move around.

Thats very interesting. When I heard of this mountain and I checked it out, sure enough only 1 harpy was there just standing. It could probably mean that the creauters are in awe of the huge mountain. Could this be another Murssat Island, and maybe their cloacking technology is malfunctioning. I wonder if the the mountain was always there or did it show up at the same time as Bahltek.

[Zaa Nayazu]

Thats very interesting. When I heard of this mountain and I checked it out, sure enough only 1 harpy was there just standing. It could probably mean that the creauters are in awe of the huge mountain. Could this be another Murssat Island, and maybe their cloacking technology is malfunctioning. I wonder if the the mountain was always there or did it show up at the same time as Bahltek.


Interesting. A lot of people Think that the island of Janthir(sp) has to be near the Tyrian Continent. Could this Mountain Actually be part of the Legendary Mursaat island? It is never really said that the Island was cloaked like their city in the Jungle. We only assumed that because of their behavior in Tyria (continent). Any thoughts?

[Quintus Antonius]

......it is near the Tyrian continent. Elona is part of the Tyrian contentinal system.

[Kalidri]

If it is the Mursaat island that would explain all of the monuments looking out to sea? I'd sure want to keep an eye on them...

Though I think according to the timelines I ahve seen, the city is much older than most people on the forum think the mursaat are (mursaat are what 200y ago and Fahrunar is from the Primeval Kings dynasties before the plague killed everyone in Istan ~400 years? I don't have time to go back and look right now). So maybe it is about whoever the mursaat came from if they were once people or mortal creatures. Or perhaps there is a fierce civilization that used to live or does live where the mountain is. I just cannot help but think that the city is watching....that part of its function was a lookout post.

[Quintus Antonius]

If the Isle of Janthir is here, it may also help to explain the seemingly unexplained prescence of Mursaat-like armor in the Crystal Desert.

From the Tablets of Janthir:

A man once climbed to the top of the tallest mountain to find out how far he could see. Upon arriving, he looked out on what he believed to be the edge of the world. The thought of what lay beyond so frightend him that he climbed back down, never to return

-- Journal of Abbot Catos

[Sir Jack]

If it is the Mursaat island that would explain all of the monuments looking out to sea? I'd sure want to keep an eye on them...

Though I think according to the timelines I ahve seen, the city is much older than most people on the forum think the mursaat are (mursaat are what 200y ago and Fahrunar is from the Primeval Kings dynasties before the plague killed everyone in Istan ~400 years? I don't have time to go back and look right now). So maybe it is about whoever the mursaat came from if they were once people or mortal creatures. Or perhaps there is a fierce civilization that used to live or does live where the mountain is. I just cannot help but think that the city is watching....that part of its function was a lookout post.

The monuments don't look in the same direction. There's one on the OP's post that looks in the direction of the Mountain, but there are 2 in the Mehtani KEys looking to the East. The Monuments seem to act like Watchtowers, to guide ships into a harbor. Mehtani Keys used to be a Harbor, but the water level dropped and ships couldn't pass. Fahranur used to be the city of the Primeval King, so I'm guessing it had a port as well. At least a small port, possibly smaller than Kamadan.

[Kalidri]

The monuments don't look in the same direction. There's one on the OP's post that looks in the direction of the Mountain, but there are 2 in the Mehtani KEys looking to the East. The Monuments seem to act like Watchtowers, to guide ships into a harbor. Mehtani Keys used to be a Harbor, but the water level dropped and ships couldn't pass. Fahranur used to be the city of the Primeval King, so I'm guessing it had a port as well. At least a small port, possibly smaller than Kamadan.

Well they do at Fahrunar...I know they do look differently elsewhere. They just seem more sentry-like to me...the way big monuments are meant to impress. Part of the majesty of ancient Babylon or Egypt (to me at least) was meant to impress foreigners (the Egyptians spent alot of energy impressing Assyrians and Hittites and even lying about how successful they were at doing so). The effect of saying "Look how wealthy we are, if you attack us, not only us but our gods are going to beat the living stuffing out of you!"

Those big heads seem like a lot of effort as beacons when a simple stone tower with a fire pit would do. They make me wonder if they were magical at some time, much like all those lines of obelisks in the Crystal Desert do as well. At the very least they make me think that faith or fear (or both) was involved. Who do the heads depict? That's all.

[Kos Luftar]

Interesting. A lot of people Think that the island of Janthir(sp) has to be near the Tyrian Continent. Could this Mountain Actually be part of the Legendary Mursaat island? It is never really said that the Island was cloaked like their city in the Jungle. We only assumed that because of their behavior in Tyria (continent). Any thoughts?

From what I we know of Del'Assio(?sp) the mountain would fit the location, as it would be probably under the FIRE ISLAND Chain, which may also explain how many Murssat are able to get to the Fire Islands to try and stop us from opening the Door of Komalie.

Offtopic question, has the name Komalie been discussed at all in the lore forum, i don't remeber hearing any background info about it in the game unless i missed something, or is it just a name.

[MStarfire]

Interesting that the mountain is roughly in the same place as the black dot.

The latest Gaile Chat confirmed that the black dot is merely a glitch:

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3097/gailelog1oy5.th.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gailelog1oy5.jpg)

But that mountain is damned impressive, to be so tall and so far. Looking at its geometry, it seems that it would sweep right into Istan. Perhaps I should head out there and triangulate its distance.

[Quintus Antonius]

*cough* Cover-Up

It's all a bit too convienant if you ask me.

[Kos Luftar]

i don't know if this has any value but the Mountain shows up on the Nighfall Video that released a bit before the game was released, ie the "intro", when it shows the Jahai Bluffs you can see the mountain far in the distance.

[Gagabraino]

I can't remember whereabouts, but somewhere in Shing Jea, I saw the exact same thing. Either were seeing C4's secrets being revealed, or more probably, it's just a picture.

[Quintus Antonius]

Well, this needn't be anything related to Chapter 4. I think it's dangerous to say everything unknown or speculated to be is "Chapter 4". It may just be a mystery within the bounds of Nightfall.

[Cu Chulain]

I'm looking at it right now but it looks slightly different for me. Not as distinct but thats probly cause my graphics card is sucky atm. It is quite freaky I must say. Also, where did that cool map come from and is it just fan speculation based on educated guesses or is it official?