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Quintus Antonius
21-04-2007, 17:38
Hello everyone,

Some of you may have noticed that many popular and large threads related to Eye of the North, and some other topics, have disappeared from the Lore Forum seemingly without explanation.

As you may or may not have seen, yesterday the forums were down while new servers were installed. Unfortunately, the forums were rolled back after the installation and all threads from that period were lost.

Shortly before the rollback, a North Tyrian Lore Forum was created in order to house the lore from the upcoming Guild Wars expansion. Upon creation of this forum, I moved Eye of the North related threads into the new forum, as a means of further organization. Because this happened during that "magical" period before the forums went down, but during the rollback effected period, the Northern Tyrian Lore Forum, and all threads moved into it have been deleted, most likely without a chance of recovery.

I am making this announcement to let everyone know what happened, and to let you know that this is not some sort of censorship or data supression. I was hit harder than anyone here, as my ANet approved review of Eye of the North and my thread on the Mursaat Rally have both been lost, probably forever. Quite literally weeks of my work have been destroyed, so I am hurting along with the rest of the people who contributed to those threads. I grieve with you on this loss, as it is a huge blow to the Lore Forum's database.

Rushster and Elly are looking into the problem, but so far it looks as if the data is unrecoverable.

Please accept my heartfelt apologies for this, and for the inconvienances it has caused. As I said, I'm in the boat with you on this one. But, hopefully we can recover from this loss of data.

Sir Jack
21-04-2007, 19:38
Well...that sucks...

ShadowReapr
21-04-2007, 20:01
This makes baby Rurik cry. :(

Seriously, it's terrible, and I hope some of the data can be recovered - while the Mursaat Rally was a resounding success, evidently heard by Anet, it seems... weird not having that ever-so-popular and superb thread here. And the analysis of the PC Gamer article was excellent, and there's still much about GW:EN that can be extracted from articles and such. Long live Dave the undeterminable Creature.

Any plans to make a new North Tyria section, or does it depend on what information can be salvaged?

(But, doesn't it sort of limit discussion options, considering there's the whole Catacombs and the Tarnished Coast to ponder over?)

Quintus Antonius
21-04-2007, 20:30
I have faith in Rush and Elly, they are highly competent and skilled programmers and administrators who have years of experience. If there is a way to recover the information, they will find it.

The Pointless
21-04-2007, 20:38
Uh, couldn't everything have been backed up before the rollback? :huh:
Just a thought...

Quintus Antonius
21-04-2007, 20:53
It was, but I updated the stuff in that magical minute between the backup and the rollback.

The Pointless
21-04-2007, 20:56
Ah.

What a kick in the face. :sad:

Karuro
21-04-2007, 20:57
Maybe for next time, keep backups (as in, txt-files) of the articles on your computer? It can be quite a saver.

Quintus Antonius
21-04-2007, 21:03
Well, I had no idea that we were installing new servers, or I'd have been a bit more careful. As for backing up articles, I just don't have the energy for that, haha.

ShadowReapr
21-04-2007, 23:20
I blame the Asura.

Barinthus
22-04-2007, 09:05
Oh no - I sure hope we are able to salvage at least some of those threads.


*fingers crossed*

D E A T H L I F E
22-04-2007, 09:10
This is indeed sad! Sorry for teh loss Quintus !

The rally thread was really going good with all those posters and everything...maybe we can re-create the thread and re-post all the posters and speechs? would be nice !!

Goldfish God
22-04-2007, 16:06
Basically the rollback wiped everything of GW:EN, so are we waiting for the recovery of those threads before starting up GW:EN stuff again? or is it just shock that we haven't started over?

Quintus Antonius
22-04-2007, 16:47
No, feel free to start new threads. It won't make the old ones more deleted.

False Visage
23-04-2007, 01:33
Will you be making another North Tyrian Lore Forum, Quintus?

Quintus Antonius
23-04-2007, 01:48
Eventually. But I'd hate to make one if they are going to restore the previous one. And now we have no North Tyrian lore threads =(

maguskwt
23-04-2007, 03:42
I blame the Asura.

that must be it! they didn't like the mursaat rally...and hit us with an electromagnetic shockwave...

but yeah...tis an unfortunate thing that happened...

Blazing Liger
23-04-2007, 16:34
Awww, what a bummer! I hope they can recover the data. If not, well, life goes on I guess. :undecided:

the forests wisper
23-04-2007, 16:43
sorry to hear about that QA. the artical comes out in england this week (yes we are always last) so ill work doubly hard for ya!


still...it was them damn asura :grin:

Xycury
23-04-2007, 16:53
oh that sucks hard.

too bad you can't save the threads as xml or some nested text file that could be imported easily in.

always think that a backup would be best.

They could have locked the boards after a backup then throw in the new servers.

Would have been best way to have done that.

I always enjoy the Lore forum, though i hardly ever add anything to it :S

Quintus Antonius
23-04-2007, 16:58
No point in pointing fingers or making retrospective "should've/could've" statements. I don't blame anyone, nor do I think anyone else is, but Rush and Elly do a great job, and this was just one little mistake. In a forum of millions of threads, only five or six were lost. Statistically, that's a good job, consider how long the forums were down and the complexity it takes to get a new server running.

I just hope there is some way to get those threads back.

Azrael STX
23-04-2007, 17:07
My awesome Mursaat Scorpion is lost forever. Among other things.

I don't like this one bit.

Xycury
23-04-2007, 17:31
No point in pointing fingers or making retrospective "should've/could've" statements. I don't blame anyone, nor do I think anyone else is, but Rush and Elly do a great job, and this was just one little mistake. In a forum of millions of threads, only five or six were lost. Statistically, that's a good job, consider how long the forums were down and the complexity it takes to get a new server running.

I just hope there is some way to get those threads back.

No intent to ruffle any feathers at all!

I have gone through the same thing with our own private forums :P

Learn from mistakes done ;)

Kudos though to everyone working on it, it's a job that they don't get paid for, and they are doing a grand job at it!

Quintus Antonius
23-04-2007, 17:38
Don't worry Xycury, that was more for my benefit than anyone else's. It can be hard to let something go sometimes, especially when you've done a lot of work and it is lost. Remember, you guys lost a lot of information, but I lost hours and hours of work.

Troal
23-04-2007, 19:44
Don't worry Xycury, that was more for my benefit than anyone else's. It can be hard to let something go sometimes, especially when you've done a lot of work and it is lost. Remember, you guys lost a lot of information, but I lost hours and hours of work.

Ah, but it lives on in our hearts.... Your hours and hours of work weren't a complete waste - there was much enjoyment to be had by all.

Barinthus
23-04-2007, 20:11
Life's full of "shoulds" that don't happen. Also, hindsight's always 100% accurate.

Basically, things just happen and we're all human. Milk's been spilled - clean up the mess as best we can and move on.

Quintus Antonius
23-04-2007, 20:43
For a minute there, I thought you said "Milaks been spilled"!

Gmr Leon
23-04-2007, 23:07
You know, the less we think about the lost threads the more likely it is to dig them up. Think about it, how often do you find something when you're looking for it?

Hours and hours of work, if gameplay is any comparison I know what it feels like. Two memory cards accidentally wiped, two separate times, with hours of game time on each. All I can say is, ouch, and at least in this case there's a small possibility of restoring them.

Sir Jack
25-04-2007, 16:05
So judging from te new creation of a Northern Tyria subforum, it's lost forever?
Recreate Mursaat Rally thread? (probably best started by Quintus)

Quintus Antonius
25-04-2007, 16:25
The Mursaat Rally is over. There's no point in recreating the thread. If someone wants to create a Mursaat poster thread, that's fine. But since our first Rally got us our goal, there's no point in creating another thread to it.