titles in HA

[mmorpg man]

there has been quite a lot of discussion in the general PvP forum about why PvP is dead in gw and one of the things that has come up again and again is that HA is rubbish compared to what it used to be. some of the reasons for this are elitism, kill count and rubbish maps/objectives.

I was wondering what the pro-HA players would think about getting rid of fame and the emotes but giving prizes to everyone who wins a battle in the HOH. atm even if you do win a battle in HOH you might not get anything except fame. by giving out more prizes to substitute fame there would be an oppotunity for new players to get into HA more and so it will rise in popularity (hopefully). also you could give cash awards to teams every time they win a match in HA (starting with the second won match).

[Radiant Dawnstar]

Never. NEVER. Its so easy to get to halls, really. And when you win, you always get an item, even if its a Flame of Balthazar. The day before yesterday I won halls like 7 or 8 times. Even though half of my loot were Flames, I got many great skins and sigils, earning me 150k-200k+. If you want to fix HA, make it easier for new players to win. Example: make a "noob" HA where new players (r0-r2) can find other players with the same Rank and play with them. There would not be a chest, but there would be fame (even though it should give less fame) and if you would win in the noob-Halls you would get to the real Hall of Heroes. Just an example. BUT DO NOT REMOVE EMOTES.

[mmorpg man]

thw whole idea is to decreae elitism and discrimination of lower ranked players. your idea would just widen the gap.

[Shuuda]

I don't think prizes should be givin at all, as that still gives people a reason to use farming gimmick builds. Remove fame, and emotes and ranks and titles and disrimation, and elitism. Aiming for titles in PvE is all nice and dandy, no one gets hurt, but PvP is about the fun, the killing, the effort, the thrill, the challenge, not some crappy emote that people think has meaning. Remove anything which is meaningless.

[grimwold]

They could make a start by removing the heroes. Its not helping anyone in any way.

Removing fame should never happen. Not everyone of a high rank has got it by running so called lame builds, but even if they did then they have at least put the time and effort in to run those builds instead of, you know, sitting around and moaning that gw isnt fair cos some people have more fame than they have.

Shuuda, maybe for you its about the fun and the challenge and all those other things, but for others its about the fame and the titles. I stand somewhere inbetween but i dont hold any disregard for people that are either playing around for fun OR are farming fame for there own egos. They bought the game the same as i have, they can do what they want with it.

[Radiant Dawnstar]

Getting a reward for playing keeps you playing for that reward. If you cannot win, good for you. Then don't whine and screw it for other people who can.

[woot im a warrior]

They should never remove the titles/fame. Even though fame/rank means nothing most of the time, if someone has rank 3 there is a good chance they are at least familiar with the maps.

A lot of the players that are high rank also know this and if you PM them and can show you know what you are doing they will let you in their groups.

I only have 61 fame, but I can still get into rank 9 groups if I wanted to because I have friends who are that rank that will let me in their groups.


The real issue with HA is that ANET killed it, not because of fame and rank.

[Shuuda]

They bought the game the same as i have, they can do what they want with it.

Well, it's those fame farmers which are partly causing the deline of all PvP, not just HA, they are ruining the game, and that's the one thing they shouldn't be aloud to do.

[B Ephekt]

People with no rank need to stop being lazy and put forth an effort. Anet shouldn't have to remove emotes just so you can get into pvp easier, we all did it without having ANet hold our hands. If low ranked people spent half the time they spent crying on forums playing they're be ranked by now. -_-

[Shuuda]

People with no rank need to stop being lazy and put forth an effort. Anet shouldn't have to remove emotes just so you can get into pvp easier, we all did it without having ANet hold our hands. If low ranked people spent half the time they spent crying on forums playing they're be ranked by now. -_-

Although having a title is nice for some people, the fact that some other people run gimmick or broken builds for the sake of farming the title doesn't make it worth it. Emotes are like FoW armor, they used to get respect, but are losing meaning due to farming, and Ebay gold/accounts, remove them two things somehow, and I have nothing against rank titles, and I'll congratulate them for it.

Anet don;t have to make it easier to get into PvP, but they should make it so your not pressurised into running fame farming just to get into a good group. Rank discrimation causes a spiral, You cannot get into a good group without a rank, you cannot get a good rank without a good group. Yes, you can join a guild to do HA, but they all have rank reqs as well. People take rank far too seriously.

[B Ephekt]

Although having a title is nice for some people, the fact that some other people run gimmick or broken builds for the sake of farming the title doesn't make it worth it.
In your opinion. You've just highlighted the dilemma though; some people enjoy and want rank, others hate it (because the lack it). It just makes more sense to let the unranked players work for their titles than to remove those rewards from players who have already earned them. Anet seems to agree as well, the rank arguement isn't exactly a new one.


Emotes are like FoW armor, they used to get respect, but are losing meaning due to farming, and Ebay gold/accounts, remove them two things somehow, and I have nothing against rank titles, and I'll congratulate them for it.Rank hasn't been a measure of skill since the first few weeks after release. It is, however, a measure of experience, and will remain so regardless of what rationalizations unranked whiners make up. Some people might ebay accounts, but they are certainly in the minority, and very easy to spot, so they don't actually have any signifigant effect on this issue.


Anet don;t have to make it easier to get into PvPThat's exactly what you're asking for, whether you realize it or not.


but they should make it so your not pressurised into running fame farming just to get into a good group. Rank discrimation causes a spiral, You cannot get into a good group without a rank, you cannot get a good rank without a good group. You can get rank without getting into ranked groups; start your own group. It's how I and many others made our first 180 fame. It's not easy at first, and it can be frustrating at times but it's guaranteed to work if you put in the effort. If you can't do this then pvp is probably not for you. Sorry.

That's the problem though, new players don't want to put in any effort. The only reason rank is a 'problem' is because low/unranked players don't want to start from the bottom and learn on their own, they want a free ride with ranked groups. If this is your attitude you won't get far in pvp even if you do get your hand held through your first 180 fame.

Furthermore, rank is not bad, it gives group leaders an indication of how much experience a player has. This is useful when forming PUG groups so you don't end up wasting time on people with no unlocks or idea how to play. I don't even HA anymore, but if I decided to go HA I'm not going to waste my time with unranked players because they need to be taught. If I want to play I want to play, not hold pvp lessons. I'm happy that there is a way to distinguish experienced players from players straight out of pve, it makes the game more enjoyable.

I'm not sure why HA has spawned so many whiners. You don't see pve players crying when hey can't get into top 20 GvG guilds, so why does it seem reasonable to want to jump into rank 9 groups your first day in tombs?

Yes, you can join a guild to do HA, but they all have rank reqs as well.So we are to believe that there are so many players who can't find a guild due to being unranked, yet somehow these players are being prevented from forming an unranked guild? Sorry, but that's nonsense. In reality, the problem is that unranked players don't want to play with other unranked players; they want to play with ranked players.


People take rank far too seriously.The irony of this statement is that you take rank just as seriously as those who have shiny tigers and such, you just happen to be on the other side of the fence.

[mmorpg man]

ephekt, I don't know how to respond to that as it is the worst attitude I have ever seen in a player. I will try to correct your mistakes though in the nicest possible way.


Rank hasn't been a measure of skill since the first few weeks after release. It is, however, a measure of experience, and will remain so regardless of what rationalizations unranked whiners make up. Some people might ebay accounts, but they are certainly in the minority, and very easy to spot, so they don't actually have any signifigant effect on this issue.

so your saying that players are unexperienced just becase they aren't ranked??? What about all the people with saviour of the kurzicks/luxons, fierce gladiator, legendary commander (If thats what its called)? are they not experienced players?


I'm not sure why HA has spawned so many whiners. You don't see pve players crying when hey can't get into top 20 GvG guilds, so why does it seem reasonable to want to jump into rank 9 groups your first day in tombs?

huh? why should Pvers whine about not getting into GvG guilds? most serious PVers don't want to get into GvG guilds


So we are to believe that there are so many players who can't find a guild due to being unranked, yet somehow these players are being prevented from forming an unranked guild? Sorry, but that's nonsense. In reality, the problem is that unranked players don't want to play with other unranked players; they want to play with ranked players.


you must be amazingly wise to speak for the oppinions of a whole community. unfortunately from what I have read you are not so stop speaking for people you don't know or even socialise with


That's the problem though, new players don't want to put in any effort. The only reason rank is a 'problem' is because low/unranked players don't want to start from the bottom and learn on their own, they want a free ride with ranked groups. If this is your attitude you won't get far in pvp even if you do get your hand held through your first 180 fame.

new HA players don't know where to start and so need a bit of guidence to get their feet.

now on to other people


A lot of the players that are high rank also know this and if you PM them and can show you know what you are doing they will let you in their groups.

I have PMed about 50 people with r3 or higher asking for advice and they have all come back with the same answer which goes something along the lines of "just keep trying and you'll get there in the end". well I've been trying for about 3-4 months solid and the furthest I've got is the first battle after the zaisun team.

[B Ephekt]

so your saying that players are unexperienced just becase they aren't ranked??? What about all the people with saviour of the kurzicks/luxons, fierce gladiator, legendary commander (If thats what its called)? are they not experienced players?Do you seriously think that AB gives players experience relevant to HA? Sorry, but AB isn't even close to being competitive pvp, and won't teach you a thing about 8v8, the meta, builds or map tactics. If you've never played HA or GvG you simply lack 8v8 experience, period.


huh? why should Pvers whine about not getting into GvG guilds? most serious PVers don't want to get into GvG guilds
Why do pve players whine about not getting not HA groups?

Pve players do move on, you know? If they didn't we wouldn't be having this discussion because HA would never get new players. That obviously not the case though, now is it? The problem here is that new players try to get into HA all the time, but don't bother putting in the effort.


you must be amazingly wise to speak for the oppinions of a whole community. unfortunately from what I have read you are not so stop speaking for people you don't know or even socialise withThis is nonsense. Logically speaking, if you're unranked and can't get into ranked groups or guilds you should be looking for unranked groups or guilds, or trying to start your own. The fact that this is so much of an issue leads me to believe that this doesn't actually happen though, and that players just want to jump into ranked groups. In fact, if new players didn't want to jump into ranked groups, rank would never be an issue because people would happily play with others of similar experience. However, we know that this is genreally not the case.

So, logically, there are either no other unranked players in the game for these people to play with (which is nonsense), or those players just don't want to play with other unranked players (this is plausible).

If I'm missing something then maybe you can explain why it's so hard to find unranked groups/guilds when there are obviously so many unranked players out there looking.

new HA players don't know where to start and so need a bit of guidence to get their feet.Is it too hard to be your own guidance? 2 years ago people learned how to pvp by actually playing, losing and figuring out what worked, not by complaining on forums that rank is unfair. Why is it so hard to do that now?

Forums/wiki and play time should be enough for anyone to get a good start.

I have PMed about 50 people with r3 or higher asking for advice and they have all come back with the same answer which goes something along the lines of "just keep trying and you'll get there in the end". Those people were not lying. The more effort you put in the more results you will get in return. If you go stand in HA for 10 minutes before raging you're not going to get anywhere. If you go and take the time to set up coherent builds and play with other unranked players, adding the good ones to your friends list, you will improve together and all be ranked in no time.

I just don't get why you think Anet needs to remove other player's accomplishments in order for you to get into HA?


well I've been trying for about 3-4 months solid and the furthest I've got is the first battle after the zaisun team.If this is true then you obviously have a very long way to go. If you keep trying and build up a friends list of good players (this is important) then you will eventually get there. Just don't give up, and get rid of this asinine notion that you need intervention from Anet.

Your attitude is the same defeatist attitude that prevents most unranked players from ever getting anywhere in HA. You need to start making some effort of your own and stop waiting for someone to teach you everything, because chances are, it's not going to happen.

[shawn]

ephekt, I don't know how to respond to that as it is the worst attitude I have ever seen in a player. I will try to correct your mistakes though in the nicest possible way.
Actually from what I've seen so far on GWO, B Ephekt is one of the very few (like one of the.. six?) people on this forum who actually know what they're talking about when it comes to PvP. I would type up some reply to you, but it's far easier to just say I second Ephekt's post, because he's right.
Hell, I started out in The Amazon Basin, and from there I moved to Xen of Onslaught. If you haven't heard of them, they're two of the biggest PvE-loving casual guilds in all of GW. My very first GvG was against Eternum Pariah for god sakes. I was a ranger with Poison Arrow. But instead of crying about how we got stomped, it made me want to get better. And I did. I didn't stick around in those pve guilds, I made friends, connections, and got better. I got my wolf, I got into top 20+ guilds, and I used to be the scrubbiest PvEr this side of Ascalon.
Anyone can do it, if they put forth the effort.

[mmorpg man]

Do you seriously think that AB gives players experience relevant to HA? Sorry, but AB isn't even close to being competitive pvp, and won't teach you a thing about 8v8, the meta, builds or map tactics. If you've never played HA or GvG you simply lack 8v8 experience, period.

in your previous post you said that unranked players don't have any experience in PvP.


Why do pve players whine about not getting not HA groups?

Pve players do move on, you know? If they didn't we wouldn't be having this discussion because HA would never get new players. That obviously not the case though, now is it? The problem here is that new players try to get into HA all the time, but don't bother putting in the effort.

why is that do you think? oh yeah because PvE players don't want to do HA because they play PvE not PvP and HA (believe it or not) is PvP. idiot


So, logically, there are either no other unranked players in the game for these people to play with (which is nonsense), or those players just don't want to play with other unranked players (this is plausible).

If I'm missing something then maybe you can explain why it's so hard to find unranked groups/guilds when there are obviously so many unranked players out there looking.


or because most of the unranked players don't know other unranked players so can't play with them. I have tried in the past the get into unranked guilds and have previously started my own as well. with guilds that I have joined, most have been so casual that they don't do HA at all and when I started a guild with a group of about 5 friends we recruted 2 members in about 1 month. also none of us had a vent/TS server so we didn't get anywhere


Is it too hard to be your own guidance? 2 years ago people learned how to pvp by actually playing, losing and figuring out what worked, not by complaining on forums that rank is unfair. Why is it so hard to do that now?

would you like to try and gain ranks from the start in this stage in the game? be my guest. I suspect the reason for you managing it 2 years ago is because nobody had ranks much so there were lots of people to play with. these days the only people who gain ranks from the beginning are extremely lucky people or people with high ranked friends who can get them in.


Those people were not lying. The more effort you put in the more results you will get in return. If you go stand in HA for 10 minutes before raging you're not going to get anywhere. If you go and take the time to set up coherent builds and play with other unranked players, adding the good ones to your friends list, you will improve together and all be ranked in no time.

I have seen people (along with me) standing in the waiting room for at least and hour calling for a group with no success because higher ranked people want to get to HOH in high level groups.


If this is true then you obviously have a very long way to go. If you keep trying and build up a friends list of good players (this is important) then you will eventually get there. Just don't give up, and get rid of this asinine notion that you need intervention from Anet.

oh how easy for you to say don't give up when you don't have to stand in the same area for an hour saying the same thing over and over again for the reward of being ignored by people like you who are too stuck up to help others.


Hell, I started out in The Amazon Basin, and from there I moved to Xen of Onslaught. If you haven't heard of them, they're two of the biggest PvE-loving casual guilds in all of GW. My very first GvG was against Eternum Pariah for god sakes. I was a ranger with Poison Arrow. But instead of crying about how we got stomped, it made me want to get better. And I did. I didn't stick around in those pve guilds, I made friends, connections, and got better. I got my wolf, I got into top 20+ guilds, and I used to be the scrubbiest PvEr this side of Ascalon.

aww I love a happy ending but sadly most of the stories I've heard from other people its quite different. not everyone is given the chance to GvG at all even if they want it. most GvG guilds have a core team to GvG with and thats it. they don't let any other members GvG because they haven't got the experience. so tell me, O Wise One, how are they meant to get better without being given a chance to prove themselves or get experience?

I am trying to look towards the future to try to keep HA alive. the only way I can see this happening is to break the barrier between the people who are ranked and the people who aren't. If we don't then soon all the higher ranked players will get bored of playing the same teams over and over again and will leave. this will leave the lower ranked players and the new players nothing of what HOH used to be at the beginning.

just let me ask you something. have you ever thought for the community? for others less able than you who could do with a bit of help? I think the main reason for PvP going down the plughole is because of the lack of community unlike in PvE where higher leveled players help out others in quests and struggle together to gain the reward. I wish the PvP community was so generous to less experienced players and the only evidence I have of this goal being acknolaged is a 3 page thread asking for volunteers to help train new players in HA. so far however there are only 2-3 people in the whole community who are willing to do this. community? huh. I see no community in gw PvP and you wonder why Anet concentrates on the PvE side of the game and not the PvP side.

[Psychotic Death X]

I think the main reason for PvP going down the plughole is because of the lack of community unlike in PvE where higher leveled players help out others in quests and struggle together to gain the reward. I wish the PvP community was so generous to less experienced players and the only evidence I have of this goal being acknolaged is a 3 page thread asking for volunteers to help train new players in HA. so far however there are only 2-3 people in the whole community who are willing to do this. community? huh. I see no community in gw PvP and you wonder why Anet concentrates on the PvE side of the game and not the PvP side.

Right, because the PvE community is so much better than the PvP one :huh:

But as everyone has said before, build up a friends list of players you worked well with.

Jump on the latest FotM as soon as it comes out if your having problems getting fame. It won't make you a good player, but it will allow you to practice the maps.

Join a HA Guild, there are a hell of alot of unranked/mixed rank Guilds out there.

If its taking you that long to get r3, without getting past the underworld, change your tatics and join more organised groups.

[mmorpg man]

like I've said before its easier said than done. does anyone help you in PvP? oh no as that would require them to think about someone other than themselves which is against the PvP 'community' ethos.


Right, because the PvE community is so much better than the PvP one

as a matter of fact yes it is. the worst case of elitism I have seen in PvE is people saying "LF monk lvl 20 only". whereas in PvP I saw on all chat someone saying "LF r6+ ele with mic and vent. wisp me with title on and I'll add you and give you your build" what if people don't want to play that build but a build they are comfortable with? is it against the law to play a build that you have made?

this kind of behaviour is unacceptable and quite frankly selfish. this is how I view most of the PvP community and I want it to stop. so stop trying to placate me with the "keep trying and you'll succeed" line and try actively helping by playing along with less experienced players. then you might get less people 'whinning' about unfairness.

[B Ephekt]

in your previous post you said that unranked players don't have any experience in PvP.Actually, I didn't. I said that rank was an indication of experience. I would think it could go without saying that I was referring to HA experience since I was talking about rank, and not generic pvp experience. Apparently this is not the case though? :shocked:


why is that do you think? oh yeah because PvE players don't want to do HA because they play PvE not PvP and HA (believe it or not) is PvP. idiotWhat? I don't think you've comprehended anything I've said on this issue. -_- Oh well, it was really outside the scope of the discussion.

But seriously, where do you think these new unranked players come from? They were obviously pve players at one point, right? How is it so hard to put one and one together?

Also, it'd be nice if you could refrain from flaming me just because you failed to comprehend my point. Thanks.


or because most of the unranked players don't know other unranked players so can't play with them. I have tried in the past the get into unranked guilds and have previously started my own as well. with guilds that I have joined, most have been so casual that they don't do HA at all and when I started a guild with a group of about 5 friends we recruted 2 members in about 1 month. also none of us had a vent/TS server so we didn't get anywhereIs it impossible to meet other unranked players? Who's fault is it for joining a guild that doesn't HA?

Look, you imply that there are indeed A LOT of unranked players who can't get into HA, but then you say that you can never find thos eplayers. See the contradiction here? Something is not right. Either this is not a problem, or there are enough unranked players that you should be able to find groups or a guild. This is very basic logic...

If you want a free vent server to use PM me and I'll give you Fianna vent info.

would you like to try and gain ranks from the start in this stage in the game? be my guest. I suspect the reason for you managing it 2 years ago is because nobody had ranks much so there were lots of people to play with. these days the only people who gain ranks from the beginning are extremely lucky people or people with high ranked friends who can get them in.
I know people who started out at rank 0 last summer and got their tiger by the end of it. They started pugging without high ranked friends to play with, created their own groups, built up a friends list, and got their rank. Are you saying that these people were just lucky, and you're unlucky? That's the defeatist attitude I'm talking about - everything is either bad luck or everyone else's fault.


I have seen people (along with me) standing in the waiting room for at least and hour calling for a group with no success because higher ranked people want to get to HOH in high level groups.And why is it bad that experienced players want to play with other experienced players? That is the crux of competitive gaming.

You actually proved a very good point here though; you DO actually get upset by the fact that you can't get into ranked groups.


oh how easy for you to say don't give up when you don't have to stand in the same area for an hour saying the same thing over and over again for the reward of being ignored by people like you who are too stuck up to help others.This actually happened to me. Once those first groups of players got their rank 3s the rank separation started. The difference is that I used that separation as motivation to catch up to those players, and I did.


I am trying to look towards the future to try to keep HA alive. the only way I can see this happening is to break the barrier between the people who are ranked and the people who aren't. If we don't then soon all the higher ranked players will get bored of playing the same teams over and over again and will leave. this will leave the lower ranked players and the new players nothing of what HOH used to be at the beginning. You don't know enough about HA to even begin to understand what it needs. You only see HA from the out looking in, so how is your suggestion going to magically fix everything? That's just naive.

If you remove rank/emotes, you will also remove the main reason people play HA. Emotes are really the only thing unique about HA - the game play certainly isn't that great. You will kill the player base and won't even have an arena to play in yourself. How does that solve anything?


just let me ask you something. have you ever thought for the community? for others less able than you who could do with a bit of help? I think the main reason for PvP going down the plughole is because of the lack of community unlike in PvE where higher leveled players help out others in quests and struggle together to gain the reward. I wish the PvP community was so generous to less experienced players and the only evidence I have of this goal being acknolaged is a 3 page thread asking for volunteers to help train new players in HA. so far however there are only 2-3 people in the whole community who are willing to do this. community? huh. I see no community in gw PvP and you wonder why Anet concentrates on the PvE side of the game and not the PvP side.I post here in hopes of increasing the amount of good pvp information out there. I guest for lower ranked guilds and try to help them out if they want it, and when I used to HA I played in low ranked groups all the time because I didn't actually care about rank after a certain point.

I think a better question to ask yourself here is "what have you done for the community?" You're here offering suggestions for an arena that you don't even play in. Not to be rude, but how is that useful?


I'm not going to continue arguing with you over this. If you want to keep your defeatist attitude you will never get anywhere in pvp. I can't really change that, I can only point you in the direction of how to get started. It's really up to you as far as what you do with this information.

Continuing to whine and argue on fan sites is not getting you any closer to becoming ranked. Think about that for a bit.

[Psychotic Death X]

like I've said before its easier said than done. does anyone help you in PvP? oh no as that would require them to think about someone other than themselves which is against the PvP 'community' ethos.

A few people have given advice in this thread. Noone is actually going to go and get fame for people, its a learning experience.

[mmorpg man]

I think most of you 'experienced' players are just opposing me to keep your glory. you don't play HA for the fun and competativeness of it, but to just have the glory of a title and an emote. its pathetic! its just boastful to go around saying "I'm ranked 6 for I'm so experienced and a master a HA. none of the other titles have the amount of elitism that ranks do. in AB you don't have people saying "LF 2 more ally of the kurzicks or higher". you haven't even given my idea any thought because your afraid to loose your glorious title. this is what I mean about the state of the PvP community: there is no thought for any others but ones self.


A few people have given advice in this thread. Noone is actually going to go and get fame for people, its a learning experience.

I'm not asking for you to get fame for me or anyone else. I'm asking you to help those less experienced players just a bit even if its only for 1 match just so they can get the idea and some basic tactics. is that so difficult for the 'almightly masters of HOH'?

[B Ephekt]

Yeah, I really care about keeping glory from an arena that I think is trash to begin with. Your capacity for logic is amazing.

Still with the "everyone is trying to keep me from succeeding it's so unfair!!!!!!!!!!" attitude. That's why you will never get anywhere in pvp; it's always someone else's fault. :rolleyes:

Champion ranks do involve elitism - and get this, they're acquired in the only other form of competitive pvp in the game. Weird huh? Here's the thing: in competitive pvp people want to play with (and against) other experienced players because it's the only way to improve beyond your current level.

People don't look for ranks in AB because it's not competitive.


Seriously, if you're just going to troll your own thread, why bother?

[Psychotic Death X]

I think most of you 'experienced' players are just opposing me to keep your glory. you don't play HA for the fun and competativeness of it, but to just have the glory of a title and an emote. its pathetic! its just boastful to go around saying "I'm ranked 6 for I'm so experienced and a master a HA. none of the other titles have the amount of elitism that ranks do. in AB you don't have people saying "LF 2 more ally of the kurzicks or higher". you haven't even given my idea any thought because your afraid to loose your glorious title. this is what I mean about the state of the PvP community: there is no thought for any others but ones self.
If HA had no titles, there would be no point in playing it. Same with RA, TA and AB. AB groups don't require ranks because you get paired up with 8 random people.

I worked damn hard to earn my title, just because some people don't have the paitence to get it (HA requires this), dosen't mean I should lose all that hard work.


I'm not asking for you to get fame for me or anyone else. I'm asking you to help those less experienced players just a bit even if its only for 1 match just so they can get the idea and some basic tactics. is that so difficult for the 'almightly masters of HOH'?

Tatics change from match to match, theres no point in that.

Also, stop being so sarcastic, its no wonder noone helps you :huh:

[Shuuda]

If HA had no titles, there would be no point in playing it. Same with RA, TA and AB. AB groups don't require ranks because you get paired up with 8 random people.

What about the fun? Is that so unimportant these days.

(I should stop talking before my differnet view get my linched a for being a PvE noob. I'm but a casual PvPer at the least)


unranked whiners make up

I hate it when people imply insults about me, I wonder, if I was r9 and said titles were bad.... fact is the reason I'm unranked is because I haven't been near HA since I tried back when it was 8 v 8, and yeah I sucked back then, (Anyone who dares imply anything about me still sucking can stuff it) And if Anet where to fix the problems in HA, I would consider trying it again.

*runs off before he gets to involved in the rank flame fest*:hide:

[Psychotic Death X]

What about the fun? Is that so unimportant these days.

(I should stop talking before my differnet view get my linched a for being a PvE noob. I'm but a casual PvPer at the least)

It would still be fun, since its competitive. But I think the fact that you get something for beating other players makes it alot more fun.

[B Ephekt]

What about the fun? Is that so unimportant these days.Fun is important, but the majority of players want some form of reward for winning. Fame/rank has been in place for so long that removing it will just make the HA community even smaller. Not to mention that nobody has ever come up with a valid reason to remove it in the first place.

Without fame/rank there would really be no reason to choose HA over GvG. HA is less competitive by nature, has worse mechanics, no ladder, no 'real' tournaments and more gimmicks. The only thing that really sets it apart are the emotes.

I hate it when people imply insults about me, I wonder, if I was r9 and said titles were bad.... fact is the reason I'm unranked is because I haven't been near HA since I tried back when it was 8 v 8, and yeah I sucked back then, (Anyone who dares imply anything about me still sucking can stuff it) And if Anet where to fix the problems in HA, I would consider trying it again.That wasn't meant as an insult... but you are indeed here whining about titles. I was just saying that the whole 'rank means nothing' and ebay thing are red herrings, and the reason titles are respected is because of the experience they imply, not skill.

I don't think you will find a rank 9+ that wants to get rid of titles though, because they've been around long enough to understand the significance of them as a party formation tool.

[Ranger Nietzsche]

It really isn't that hard to rank up if you have friends who are willing to play with you.

I had the same early experiences as everyone else, we ground, we died A LOT we got 3 fame in 10 days. But in those 10 days I made friends, formed an unranked guild, and got r3 in the next 10 days.

The thing is, yes the easiest way to get fame is to get 10 game winning streaks over and over and over again with an intelligent set of 8 people or just by being lucky with a gimmick.

But its also possible to grind it out by winning the first 2 maps over and over and over and over and over again. Now, getting r9 this way is impossible, but getting r3 by simply winning underworld 180 times is well within the reach of any player willing to put the effort in. And 99% of the time, you won't have to do that because you'll make friends and get groups.

/Mod Hat ON
mmorpg don't troll your own thread, its only likely to get it closed if you turn it into a flame war.
/Mod Hat OFF

Incidentally I got my first 400 fame actively trying to get fame and playing HA as much as possible. I got my next 2000 without really thinking about fame at all, but just playing HA with my friends.

[mmorpg man]

ok so you people want rewards for winning matches in HOH. If you bothered to read my idea in the first place you will see that I suggested giving a gold item to anyone who won a match in HOH so everyone is garunteed something and then in exchange for this more substancial reward you loose fame and rank. this way the amount of elitism and separation between players decreases but you are still rewarded for winning matches. I also suggested on top of this a cash reward for winning each game in HA starting with the first match against human players (say 50gp at the start which doubles every won match). you can hardly say this is an unfair exchange

[Tiyuri]

If you can't get rank 3 you are bad at Guild Wars.

[TheAlchemist]

If you can't get rank 3 you are bad at Guild Wars.

lol, it's not because he sucks he isn't r3...

r3 just takes forever to get: -search PvP friends, lame build over and over again to get those 2 fame, guild aren't easy to get into under r3 and paying to get and invite into high ranked guilds is lame imo

[mmorpg man]

If you can't get rank 3 you are bad at Guild Wars.

oh dear another elitist idiot wanting to keep his/her glory and fame. what about all those people with protecter or guardian titles or all those legendary survivors? are they bad at guildwars because they aren't rank 3? I would choose your words more carefully if I were you

[woot im a warrior]

oh dear another elitist idiot wanting to keep his/her glory and fame. what about all those people with protecter or guardian titles or all those legendary survivors? are they bad at guildwars because they aren't rank 3? I would choose your words more carefully if I were you

PvE title = PvP title.:rolleyes:

What he said is true, with the quality of players in HA right now, and with ritspike, if you cannot get rank 3 you are bad, because most of the players in HA right now are bad.

[Tiyuri]

oh dear another elitist idiot wanting to keep his/her glory and fame. what about all those people with protecter or guardian titles or all those legendary survivors? are they bad at guildwars because they aren't rank 3? I would choose your words more carefully if I were you

Guardian, survivor etc require no skill.

You are probably bad at Guild Wars and so don't realise what being good at Guild Wars is about.

[shawn]

oh dear another elitist idiot wanting to keep his/her glory and fame. what about all those people with protecter or guardian titles or all those legendary survivors? are they bad at guildwars because they aren't rank 3? I would choose your words more carefully if I were you

Okay. Let's take out our ranks and titles.
And then we can remove FoW armor, and the Kind of a Big Deal title track, and Sunspear and Lightbringer too, because I can't get in DoA groups as LB2. And my PvE skills aren't as effective at Sunspear 7 as they are at Sunspear 10.

Obviously it doesn't matter how much those people grinded for them, all that's important is that they get their hard work taken away so I feel equal, right?

[ThineAbhorsen]

Getting a reward for playing keeps you playing for that reward. If you cannot win, good for you. Then don't whine and screw it for other people who can.

I fully agree. I also agree with the "Noob-Hall" perspective, it would elimate the possibility of getting bad groups in actual "HoH"

[mmorpg man]

I fully agree. I also agree with the "Noob-Hall" perspective, it would elimate the possibility of getting bad groups in actual "HoH

yeah because that sounds really fun for new players doesn't it. "I'm sorry this area is only for 'experienced players' so get back in the noob-hall where you belong." yeah I'm sure new players will love you for that.


Guardian, survivor etc require no skill.

You are probably bad at Guild Wars and so don't realise what being good at Guild Wars is about.

ok shall we bring some random people off the street who have never played guildwars before, teach them the basics of the game and tell them to go and kill shiro in hard mode? If getting the guardian title requires no skill then they will pass it first time. somehow though I doubt they will.


Okay. Let's take out our ranks and titles.
And then we can remove FoW armor, and the Kind of a Big Deal title track, and Sunspear and Lightbringer too, because I can't get in DoA groups as LB2. And my PvE skills aren't as effective at Sunspear 7 as they are at Sunspear 10.

Obviously it doesn't matter how much those people grinded for them, all that's important is that they get their hard work taken away so I feel equal, right?

now look who's complaining about not getting into groups. fortunately for you the lightbringer title track is 1 of the easiest to max out (after sunspear title track).

[Tiyuri]

ok shall we bring some random people off the street who have never played guildwars before, teach them the basics of the game and tell them to go and kill shiro in hard mode? If getting the guardian title requires no skill then they will pass it first time. somehow though I doubt they will.


You can read wiki and learn to beat shiro in hard mode, you probably think that's skillfull because you're bad at the game, but it's not I'm afraid.

[TheAlchemist]

Guardian, survivor etc require no skill.

You are probably bad at Guild Wars and so don't realise what being good at Guild Wars is about.

omg no skill? you know how much effort it takes to get those titles?

omg you sound like you got to r6 by doing IWay in the good old days over and over again with no life at all. and now you think you got some skill.. and you prolly don't even know the skills of other proffessions either?

get rid with the attitude.

pls get out of guild wars and go back to tetris

[woot im a warrior]

omg no skill? you know how much TIME it takes to get those titles?

Fixed, time does not equal skill.


omg you sound like you got to r6 by doing IWay in the good old days over and over again with no life at all. and now you think you got some skill.. and you prolly don't even know the skills of other proffessions either?

Lol, saying Tiyuri is bad at the game is just silly.

[shawn]

now look who's complaining about not getting into groups. fortunately for you the lightbringer title track is 1 of the easiest to max out (after sunspear title track).
Wow. Learn sarcasm please. I don't give a rats *** about my pve titles, nor would I care about getting into groups because anything in the game is henchable.
The point was to compare what you're suggesting doing to pvpers into something that you'd be able to relate to. It seemed like a pretty simple concept.

Edit:
We can't say *** on this forum? Wow. I didn't even know that was considered a bad word.

[TheAlchemist]

Fixed, EFFORT does equal skill. Sooner or Later that is.

and another fix, effort does require time.





Lol, saying Tiyuri is bad at the game is just silly.


[/QUOTE]

the game is not just pvp.

Peace out Princess.

[Tiyuri]

omg no skill? you know how much effort it takes to get those titles?

omg you sound like you got to r6 by doing IWay in the good old days over and over again with no life at all. and now you think you got some skill.. and you prolly don't even know the skills of other proffessions either?

get rid with the attitude.

pls get out of guild wars and go back to tetris


Effort does not = skill.

Also yes I am an IWAY superstar

[shawn]

the game is not just pvp.

Peace out Princess.
No, it isn't just pvp, but how does grinding out pve titles remotely equate to having skill? Feel free to provide examples which:
a) Don't require farming, as exploitation of AI is not skillful.
b) Can't be done with heroes and henchmen.

[Citan Uzuki]

On the topic of HA guilds:

It is NOT hard to find a PvP guild that does HA regularly. And most of the time, the requirements are usually just mature, decent amount of balth faction, and vent/ts. There a loads of people advertising their PvP guilds in RA and TA every day, just ask them how often they do HA. You probably won't win as much as you like, but you'll get enough experience in HA to start winning more and more.

And to the people complaining about "cookie-cutter builds":

PEOPLE USE WHAT WORKS.

You don't see R/W's running Droks anymore because R/D works better. You don't see teams running gimmick builds in high-end PvE.

Same with PvP. When you get to HA/GvG, people play to win. And for me, winning is a large part of the fun.

If you want to try and use your own builds, either stick to RA/AB, or try to get a group that'll let you try it. But don't hate on the people who want to use something specific to win.

It is not as hard as you people might think to find a decent PUG in HA.

And you can never go wrong with a decent SF PUG.

I have a problem with bad wording, so this post might come out wrong.

[woot im a warrior]

the game is not just pvp.

Peace out Princess.

Thank you for showing you don't know what you are talking about.

Also, please let me know what part of PvE actually takes skill. Until you can do so, there is no connection between PvE titles to PvP titles. (Hint: there is none)

[Ranger Nietzsche]

I didn't want to have to do this, but I'm left with no choice. Clearly my warning wasn't enough for the same people to have the same argument again.

Usually I feel bad for the OP who had his thread destroyed, but since he participated its nice so I don't have to feel guilt.



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