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How come Abaddon's didn`t see The Destroyers?. There is no entities that are more ancient than the gods itself. Why Abaddon didn`t use the destroyers + Margonites + Torments against his foes?
Abby: You Destroyers, do as I say!
Destroyers: You're not the boss of us!
Abby: Do it or else...
Destroyers: Or else what?
What's Abby goig to do if the Destroyers don't want to help him? Send in his Margonites and Demons which he should be throwing at us?
We may also need to consider the possibility that the Destroyers wouldn't even be free if not for the actions of Abaddon. He might simply not have been able to ask the Great Destroyer for help, because the Great Destroyer wasn't "free" yet. Remember, he isn't freed until they read the Tome of the Rubicon, slightly after Nightfall is over.
It'd be like asking your children for help before they are born, I guess.
Better yet, abaddon knew about their existence but feared to unleash either them or the great destroyer, it's highly possible that he has no control over such destructive power and didn't wanna risk his own destruction,
as far as we know abaddon wanted to regain his freedom and take revenge on the other gods, such behaviour sugests that he had plans for the futur under his reign as well, by unleashing the destroyeurs he would have compromised that futur
btw the great destroyer seems more ancient than the gods we know of including abaddon ( might just be an impression though ), more like pure evil longing for destruction, an entity you cannot reason with or negociate an alliance with, much less control it.
the gods are presented like refined creatures both powerfull and wise with human behaviour ( anger,hate, jealousy,manipulation, greed, alliances, .... ) just on a higher level. When we look at the kormiring process, it's an easy guess that the gods themselves had to be considered worthy before acquiring their powers be it trough battle, insight, devotion, cleverness, glory, ruthlessness etc. By kormiring or by overthrowing a god and taking hold of his domain, powers are passed down to new generations, powers which themselves remain crude, unrefined, more like an essence without personnality but with purpose. We know for a fact that abaddon wasn't the first god of truth, neither was grenth the first god of the dead. Their status of gods is however bound to this essence/power/.. whatever you call it.
I've got a hunch that the great destroyer however was never passed down and remained in his initial crude state with the only purpose of destruction. This entity didn't evolve/change like other gods and probably preserved a state of purity/uniqueness that surpasses all other gods. Armaggeddon is the general idea behind the great destroyer, something that can't be avoided only pushed back and kept at bay until next time.
If we go towards the duality of existence and emptiness scheme, maybe the great dwarf is the unification in one entity of all the gods we know fighting for the right to be.
just my thoughts and some free time :grin:
Arkhan The Black
My bet is that the Destroyer is an enemy of the gods since apparently he wants to wipe out everything they have created. Maybe one of Abaddons motives was to break free before the Great Destroyer arrived so he could wage battle on it?
Indeed. Abaddon may have been the enemy of the gods, but it appears the Destroyers are the enemies of all gods, which may include Dhuum, Menzies, and Abaddon. As evil as the Anti-Pantheon is, they may have been aware that there was somethings even they shouldn't touch.
Considering that we actually have to align with the Charr, and perhaps even the Mursaat, to defeat them, it shows that somethings are so bad even the worst dudes on the planet need to come together to stop it.
Arkhan The Black
The Destroyers minions even have names that suggest they are all about anti-creation.
I don't see Abaddon as "evil" so much as "corrupt". He was insane, and acting out of desperation for reasons we don't fully understand. For all intents and purposes from what we've seen, the Great Destroyer is pure evil. Lots of things are not black and white in Tyria, most things are a shade of grey, but it looks like the Great Destroyer is an entity of unquestionable evil.
In addition, I think the lessons of Dhuum vs Grenth, Kormir vs Abaddon, and Abaddon vs whatever God he replaced tell us that the gods of Tyria that we know of are by no means the "original" gods. For all we know, couldn't this Great Destroyer, whom I will call Steve, be a dispossed earlier god, similar to Dhuum? We've seen Abaddon do it, so why couldn't this imaginary Steve god also have done the whole pissed-off-god-that-opens-up-a-can-of-whoop-*** thing? Of course, this may bring into question what the nature of a god is exactly in GW. Normal modern ideas of God say that he cannot be destroyed, not even Kormirized as happened to Abaddon. Obviously the Tyrian Pantheon (and subsequently the anti-pantheon, as mentioned above) must be slightly closer to the idea of the Greco-Roman or Egyptian gods: insanely powerful, but still falible and capable of being destroyed.
But so far in every case we've seen, it has been more like a coup. One lesser entity has a vision and ousts the current god to make his or her vision possible. Nevertheless, they all strive towards the same goal--what they percieve is best for themselves and Tyria.
The Great Destroyer is something totally different. It's only goal is destruction. Complete annihilation of everything. We don't know why, the Destroyer may not even have a reason. The gods seem to be conscious, directed individuals, be they Pantheon or Anti-Pantheon, the Great Destroyer appears to be a force of nature, sort of like the Mists. The Mists are a force of nature that only create, the Great Destroyer is a force of nature that only destroys. That is why I think it is so much more dangeous than Abaddon, because Abaddon could have been reasoned with (however unlikely, but nevertheless), the Great Destroyer cannot be. It'd be like asking a lion not to be a lion, or the rain not to rain.
Obviously the Tyrian Pantheon (and subsequently the anti-pantheon, as mentioned above) must be slightly closer to the idea of the Greco-Roman or Egyptian gods: insanely powerful, but still falible and capable of being destroyed.
I'd say closer to the Egyptian idea. In Egyptian mythology, Seth is able, through dark magic and deceit, to kill Osiris. A god, to the Egyptians, is mortal. However, at another time, Sekhmet, the war goddess of upper Egypt, managed to almost wipe out all of humanity. From this we know an Egyptian god is hella-powerful, but mortal nontheless.
To the Greeks, the gods are different. The gods, when they interract with humans, have obvious, humanoid forms. After all, Heracles is able to "beat up" the god Thanatos, and at another time he defeats the river-god Achelous. One may say "Fair enough he's a demigod". But then again, to Heracles, the human king of Thrace was a challenge to defeat. So we can surmise that to the Greeks, the gods have physical power comparable to a human (IF WE LAY ASIDE SUPERNATURAL POWERS SUCH AS THOSE ATHENA UNLEASHED ON ARIADNE).
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