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mmorpg man
12-10-2007, 19:55
I have a propersition for all ranked players in HA which is designed to help both ranked and unranked players in the long run and to improve the guildwars PvP community. here we go then.
next time you make a group let in 1 unranked player into your group and let him/her play. If they don't have the build you want or aren't that good then let them go (AKA kick them) but before you do that, wisper them telling them what you're about to do and give a valid reason (NOT SAYING "because you're a noob") and give them a piece of advice on how to improve their playstyle or build in order that they can learn. then its up to them to choose to take your advice and improve or not.
now before you all start flaming me saying "why should we waste our time training noobs", just think about what this could do for you. HA is becoming like JQ: empty all the time. I don't want that and I'm sure most of you don't want that either. many people (including me) say that players are leaving because of the unfriendly PvP community and the discrimination of ranks.
please help me to help others instead of yourselves all the time in order to preserve this arena.
Ranger Nietzsche
12-10-2007, 21:16
In my experience when you kick a newbie for not having the build or being bad, they NEVER listen to any of your advice as to how to improve.
However, a decent amount of them actually DO have the builds, and are passable.
mmorpg man
12-10-2007, 22:05
I mentioned playstyle as well as build. say for instance if they always stay on AoE or always trip the timer on the zaishen. that kind of thing as well. and if they don't listen to you then thats their problem.
mmorpg man
13-10-2007, 13:10
Here Is Evidence That The Pvp Community Is The Least Friendly Of Any Game I've Played.
Nazpharoz
13-10-2007, 13:21
played freelancer in the past?
no, then you didn't saw worse...
ok, no rank discrimination their, co'z their aren't rank like here. however a lot off other things.
kongkingx
14-10-2007, 02:08
I think newbies should help themselves because most of the good/successful guilds out there started by helping themselves.
shardfenix
14-10-2007, 11:30
You forgot one crucial thing about HA:
Nobody does it.
happy feet
14-10-2007, 19:25
due to the death of HA, its almost impossible to form a new guild because unless you have connections, were are you going to recruit PvP players, we may have a major problem on our hands due to this...
mmorpg man
14-10-2007, 19:35
due to the death of HA, its almost impossible to form a new guild because unless you have connections, were are you going to recruit PvP players, we may have a major problem on our hands due to this...
which is why I brought up this suggestion in the first place.
due to the death of HA, its almost impossible to form a new guild because unless you have connections, were are you going to recruit PvP players, we may have a major problem on our hands due to this...
Believe it or not but there are people willing to learn. People attitudes is what is killin HA. If the hail almighty ranked people would step off their rank emotes and take the time to teach people there would probably be more people than what is there now.
I'm sure 2 years ago it was a hellva lot easier to get a group than it is today and the only ones to blame is that players. Everyone can blame anet all they want but until the player base realizes and rude and hateful they are, no new people are gonna step foot in there.
And i really appreciate what mmorpg man is tryin to do. If everyone was this way then there might be more people in HA.
Mister Smartypants
14-10-2007, 21:09
What might also work is if a core group of newbies from these forums gets together and HAs regularly, win or lose, however long it takes, until they learn the ropes. When the group's good enough they split up and recruit random players in HA and teach them, and build a new community that way.
Could be a completely crap suggestion for GW, but it's the way I'd do it. (I've done it before in NWN so I know the theory's sound, but it depends a lot on the player base and on getting enough reliable people together for the initial stage.)
TheAlchemist
14-10-2007, 21:21
im r5 (i know its low, but only started HA recently) and i hate it when a r4 healer joins. I know there are ppl with a r3 who have more common sence then a r8. But there is no sign above their head saying "I have common sence, pick me"
i don't want to waste time on trying an unranked player or a r3 out who claims to have common sence, then ****s up the battle which causes the team to rage quit.
mmorpg man
14-10-2007, 22:18
Believe it or not but there are people willing to learn. People attitudes is what is killin HA. If the hail almighty ranked people would step off their rank emotes and take the time to teach people there would probably be more people than what is there now.
I'm sure 2 years ago it was a hellva lot easier to get a group than it is today and the only ones to blame is that players. Everyone can blame anet all they want but until the player base realizes and rude and hateful they are, no new people are gonna step foot in there.
And i really appreciate what mmorpg man is tryin to do. If everyone was this way then there might be more people in HA.
thanks for the support mate. but I'm afraid it needs more than 1 person to take part in this venture if it is to be successful.
kongkingx
15-10-2007, 01:39
Believe it or not but there are people willing to learn. People attitudes is what is killin HA. If the hail almighty ranked people would step off their rank emotes and take the time to teach people there would probably be more people than what is there now.
I'm sure 2 years ago it was a hellva lot easier to get a group than it is today and the only ones to blame is that players. Everyone can blame anet all they want but until the player base realizes and rude and hateful they are, no new people are gonna step foot in there.
And i really appreciate what mmorpg man is tryin to do. If everyone was this way then there might be more people in HA.
Nah, you start small. Group with people with the same experience as yours. Then play. Get to know each other. Then play again. Then get good together. Increase your fame gradually and by doing so you're getting comfortable with each other. If you have sucky moments, you don't just leave them because they're now your friends. You try to improve. Then you'll notice that you're getting rank 3. Then 6. Then 9. Then you'll notice that you're owning the groups that you dreamed of playing with.
People who think that they are good without minimal experience and join good groups asap are most likely to be guild hoppers and sucky players.
slipVaYnE
15-10-2007, 03:11
im r5 (i know its low, but only started HA recently) and i hate it when a r4 healer joins. I know there are ppl with a r3 who have more common sence then a r8. But there is no sign above their head saying "I have common sence, pick me"
i don't want to waste time on trying an unranked player or a r3 out who claims to have common sence, then ****s up the battle which causes the team to rage quit.
I giggled something fierce when I read that.
You're going the completely opposite way of this thread.
mmorpg man
15-10-2007, 08:20
im r5 (i know its low, but only started HA recently) and i hate it when a r4 healer joins. I know there are ppl with a r3 who have more common sence then a r8. But there is no sign above their head saying "I have common sence, pick me"
i don't want to waste time on trying an unranked player or a r3 out who claims to have common sence, then ****s up the battle which causes the team to rage quit.
If you can't be bothered to help someone else for a change instead of yourself then just get lost and stop trolling on my thread.
What might also work is if a core group of newbies from these forums gets together and HAs regularly, win or lose, however long it takes, until they learn the ropes. When the group's good enough they split up and recruit random players in HA and teach them, and build a new community that way.
there was an unranked HA gathering set up here but I have no idea if it still is around or even got off the ground. probably the easiest way to train people would be to create a guild specially for it. I would do but my funds are very limited (only 15-20k atm).
there was an unranked HA gathering set up here but I have no idea if it still is around or even got off the ground. probably the easiest way to train people would be to create a guild specially for it. I would do but my funds are very limited (only 15-20k atm).
The thread you are lookin' for (http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451314)...
And what do you need to set up a guild? 100 Gold actually.
The overused HA skill is "Bash as One". No matter what you say, you will be bashed by at least one moron. And soon others will follow. Ignore them and do what you set out to do. Good Luck.
P.S.: If you can deal with my accent and typos, I can help with some HA tidbits. I am not very good at it but, I can help you with my limited knowledge.
twilight dragon
16-10-2007, 01:46
This thread is just another whiney "I WANT FAME BUT I CAN'T GET IT MYSELF BECAUSE IM BAD!!" thread. Masquerading as a "Help the newbies" thread, but it's actually posted by one of those newbies who wants people to help HIM.
No offense. But this is just attitude people mean when they say that the pvp community is so unfriendly that they don't pvp anymore. But if you want HA to slowly die, then be my guest lob angry statements at people who just wanna learn, all you like.
What's so terribly wrong with helping anyway? *sigh*
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on topic:
I think this would be a great idea. I like Mister's idea the best. Would be cool to get a group together to learn how to play HA thru trial and error. :smiley:
Ugly Betty
16-10-2007, 02:28
What might also work is if a core group of newbies from these forums gets together and HAs regularly, win or lose, however long it takes, until they learn the ropes. When the group's good enough they split up and recruit random players in HA and teach them, and build a new community that way.
Could be a completely crap suggestion for GW, but it's the way I'd do it. (I've done it before in NWN so I know the theory's sound, but it depends a lot on the player base and on getting enough reliable people together for the initial stage.)
it'd be difficult but not impossible. and you're right, it'll depend a lot on the player base and the type of group you get. the question i think is, will the group stay together thru the hard times? losing a couple here and there is one thing, but in a volatile arena like HA there's not a lot of sympathy or tolerance going around. especially for a nub team with little expertise or experience.
if you can pull it off, more power to you. but don't expect the average sway team to say anything approaching nice after they flawless you in under a minute.
twilight dragon
16-10-2007, 02:36
but don't expect the average sway team to say anything approaching nice after they flawless you in under a minute.
My solution to this is to turn off local chat. They can say whatever they want and it will fall on deaf ears.
kongkingx
16-10-2007, 06:13
it'd be difficult but not impossible. and you're right, it'll depend a lot on the player base and the type of group you get. the question i think is, will the group stay together thru the hard times?
There are 2 ways
- learning the hard way
- freeload
1st option is the most rewarding one. Maybe the noob group that you now have will become the next big thing.
I'll share you my experience. I was r2 or r3 i think back then I formed no rank iway groups and had the chance to play with a trapper. That trapper looked like he was new or also pugging with noob iway groups. We clicked together and we always formed groups whenever we had the chance to play together. We had people in friendslist, combined people in our friendslist and we formed Your Math Teacher. That trapper whom I pugged, led the guild for a long time . And the rest is history.
And the moral lesson?
You know it.
Ranger Nietzsche
16-10-2007, 07:48
play nice in the thread or I shall be forced to close it.
and that means you too mmorpg. responding to flame will only bring about your own threads destruction.
Mister Smartypants
16-10-2007, 10:33
it'd be difficult but not impossible. and you're right, it'll depend a lot on the player base and the type of group you get. the question i think is, will the group stay together thru the hard times? losing a couple here and there is one thing, but in a volatile arena like HA there's not a lot of sympathy or tolerance going around. especially for a nub team with little expertise or experience.
if you can pull it off, more power to you. but don't expect the average sway team to say anything approaching nice after they flawless you in under a minute.
That's the thing, isn't it? Anyone who tries setting up a group like this is going to have to go into it with their eyes open, knowing their team is going to lose horribly and lose a lot, and must be prepared to play game after game in a team with people that suck against teams of people who've been playing HA for years.
It's an unattractive proposition.
I don't blame anyone for wanting to be on a team with someone who knows the game: being shown the ropes is a much less painful way to learn than is trial and error. However, if there aren't people out there who are willing to teach (I know Tiyuri was a month or so ago, but I dunno if that's still carrying on or not), then setting up a newb group or whining about the unfairness of it all are pretty much the only alternatives - and of the two, I know which I prefer.
It'd take some time for me to be in a position to get anything off the ground (been too distracted by the new shinies in PvE so I haven't bothered with PvP at all for the last couple of months :tongue:), but I guess there's no harm in asking now anyway. Are there enough people visiting these forums who are free UK/Euro evenings and want to get a newb group started for it to be worth my while making the necessary preparations? (I'll give you fair warning: I've never even set foot in HA and I suck when on unfamiliar ground, so I may well be the worst player in the arena. If you don't think you can handle that, don't say yes! lol)
The reason I generally have no sympathy for people who complain about rank elitists and the like, is that my experience tells me those people are.. lazy. Nothing more.
I can also tell you from experience, that if *YOU* are a good player, you have the power to make a team that will be successful in HA, it doesn't matter how bad the players are, as long as you shout at them enough and lead them properly you'll win.
Which in turn makes me wonder, if these players are incapable of doing that, why do they think they deserve rank, or indeed, to play with a ranked team. Surely in a perfect world, all ranked players should be able to lead teams (obviously they're not) and all unranked players should be learning to lead teams (again, not). So I don't think anyone has anything to complain about here.
I also think this entire thread is ridiculous and disrespectful, first of all it has not been started by a high ranked player advocating helping unranked players in HA, it's been started by an unranked player, advocating helping unranked players. That probably explains enough about the motivation behind posting it that nothing else needs to be said.
On top of that, the unranked player is dangling the "Help us or HA will die" carrot in front of us, which first of all - is untrue, and second of all, isn't a good enough reason to get me to help him. Competitive players respect people who not only want to learn, but more importantly put the effort in to do so, the reason these threads almost always fail is because if someone is posting one, they aren't putting in the effort.
Oh and posting that we are unfriendly and elitist if we choose not to help you just makes us think you're ridiculous. Help me out with this or YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON! Yeah right.
"please help me to help others instead of yourselves all the time"
You mean help you to help yourself.
Pff
Mister Smartypants
16-10-2007, 13:04
...this entire thread is ridiculous and disrespectful...
Are you sure about that? I understand why you object to the OP, but is the rest of it really that bad? I thought a few of us were being quite productive, actually. :sad:
That's the thing, isn't it? Anyone who tries setting up a group like this is going to have to go into it with their eyes open, knowing their team is going to lose horribly and lose a lot, and must be prepared to play game after game in a team with people that suck against teams of people who've been playing HA for years.
It's an unattractive proposition.
I don't blame anyone for wanting to be on a team with someone who knows the game: being shown the ropes is a much less painful way to learn than is trial and error. However, if there aren't people out there who are willing to teach (I know Tiyuri was a month or so ago, but I dunno if that's still carrying on or not), then setting up a newb group or whining about the unfairness of it all are pretty much the only alternatives - and of the two, I know which I prefer.
It'd take some time for me to be in a position to get anything off the ground (been too distracted by the new shinies in PvE so I haven't bothered with PvP at all for the last couple of months :tongue:), but I guess there's no harm in asking now anyway. Are there enough people visiting these forums who are free UK/Euro evenings and want to get a newb group started for it to be worth my while making the necessary preparations? (I'll give you fair warning: I've never even set foot in HA and I suck when on unfamiliar ground, so I may well be the worst player in the arena. If you don't think you can handle that, don't say yes! lol)
I'd be willing to learn with ya. It seems if thats the only way to learn then so be it, we'll either get better or die alot tryin. :wink:
I'm in central time but I'm around most of the time since I've been disabled for the last year and half. So I'm usually workin on titles or visiting RA. Gotta love those hammer sins and healing warriors and the ranger flare spammers. :grin:
So whenever you get around to it just let me know. I'm willing to die...errr...i mean learn with ya. :tongue:
............. we formed Your Math Teacher. That trapper whom I pugged, led the guild for a long time . And the rest is history.
And the moral lesson?
Moral lesson is simple: You played iWay to gain fame. You gained fame faster than others and hence, your guild stayed together.
And don't get me wrong Cellmates (bad iwayers, sorry) or MATH (Better iWayers) succeeded only in one type of play. And they royally sucked in others. You stayed together for some decent amount of time because ANET did not react to iWay exploit as fast as they have been reacting against others. Hence, that success may not be repeatable. Without success Guilds cease to exist.
So, if you are telling new people to play only the current iWay type gimmicks and stick together, they probably will and get some success but, eventually they will fail and leave.
I can also tell you from experience, that if *YOU* are a good player, you have the power to make a team that will be successful in HA, it doesn't matter how bad the players are, as long as you shout at them enough and lead them properly you'll win.
Is this your idea of a game? Shouting at others?:astonished:
And the vileness in some people's posts (mainly Tiyuri's), prove the fact why many HA folks don't stay on f-list for long. Fallacy of the quoted statement is that if everyone starts leading aka forming groups, what will happen to rest of the 7 slots?
To the mods, instead of planning to close the thread, why don't you simply remove the flaming posts and the responses? It may be more work but, it surely will help.
Mister Smartypants
16-10-2007, 15:58
I'm willing to die...errr...i mean learn with ya. :tongue:
Excellent! :grin: One interested person is enough for me to think it's worth spending a bit of time over the next two or three weeks trying to get myself into some sort of fit state for venturing into HA. I plan to make a separate thread for the actual group attempt - along the lines of the one Vela linked to - sometime early November, after half term. Poke me if nothing appears within a month. :tongue:
Ninjas In The Sky
16-10-2007, 16:39
I got a good build and noone even sees my invitation. How the hell am I supposed to get r 3 even if i'm not invited into a group?
The reason I generally have no sympathy for people who complain about rank elitists and the like, is that my experience tells me those people are.. lazy. Nothing more.
I can also tell you from experience, that if *YOU* are a good player, you have the power to make a team that will be successful in HA, it doesn't matter how bad the players are, as long as you shout at them enough and lead them properly you'll win.
Which in turn makes me wonder, if these players are incapable of doing that, why do they think they deserve rank, or indeed, to play with a ranked team. Surely in a perfect world, all ranked players should be able to lead teams (obviously they're not) and all unranked players should be learning to lead teams (again, not). So I don't think anyone has anything to complain about here.
I also think this entire thread is ridiculous and disrespectful, first of all it has not been started by a high ranked player advocating helping unranked players in HA, it's been started by an unranked player, advocating helping unranked players. That probably explains enough about the motivation behind posting it that nothing else needs to be said.
On top of that, the unranked player is dangling the "Help us or HA will die" carrot in front of us, which first of all - is untrue, and second of all, isn't a good enough reason to get me to help him. Competitive players respect people who not only want to learn, but more importantly put the effort in to do so, the reason these threads almost always fail is because if someone is posting one, they aren't putting in the effort.
Oh and posting that we are unfriendly and elitist if we choose not to help you just makes us think you're ridiculous. Help me out with this or YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON! Yeah right.
"please help me to help others instead of yourselves all the time"
You mean help you to help yourself.
Pff
All true, all true. But one thing, Shouting at my team, most lil' weiners these days won't accept any critism and will just leave.
mmorpg man
16-10-2007, 18:01
All true, all true. But one thing, Shouting at my team, most lil' weiners these days won't accept any critism and will just leave.
oh yeah, that critism done by most people, AKA calling them noobs. and you wonder why they leave?
I also think this entire thread is ridiculous and disrespectful, first of all it has not been started by a high ranked player advocating helping unranked players in HA, it's been started by an unranked player, advocating helping unranked players. That probably explains enough about the motivation behind posting it that nothing else needs to be said.
I'm sorry but what's the problem with having an unranked player start a thread about helping others? If I was r10 I would still be making threads like this so rank doesn't matter. and btw, my motivation is that I don't want to see a potentially good arena like HA go into the gutter. If you don't care about it then just go, we won't miss you.
On top of that, the unranked player is dangling the "Help us or HA will die" carrot in front of us, which first of all - is untrue, and second of all, isn't a good enough reason to get me to help him. Competitive players respect people who not only want to learn, but more importantly put the effort in to do so, the reason these threads almost always fail is because if someone is posting one, they aren't putting in the effort.
1) open your eyes to the truth
2) if playing HA constantly for almost 3 months to get a total of 50 fame isn't putting in the effort I don't know what is.
3)I'm using this thread as a last resort to get some action from you "experienced" players to see the truth and try to fix it
I got a good build and noone even sees my invitation. How the hell am I supposed to get r 3 even if i'm not invited into a group?
you might as well not ask that because they will all give you the same answer which goes something like this : "you have to put in the effort to make your own groups and PUG to create a friendslist of players." pitiful isn't it.
you might as well not ask that because they will all give you the same answer which goes something like this : "you have to put in the effort to make your own groups and PUG to create a friendslist of players." pitiful isn't it.
What's pitiful is your inability to pull yourself out of the gutter and make an effort, what's pitiful is your expecting someone else to do it for you.
What's pitiful is you only making 50 fame in 3 months. What's pitiful is that despite all these things, you expect to be in ranked groups.
Guess what, when I begun I was rank 0, no one would accept me, it took me all of 1 day's unsuccessful grouping to say, "**** this, I'll make my own groups then." I did, and I made my own guild, and we are all rank 9/10/11+ now.
You are lazy, this thread is a masked attempt to gain lazy fame. You clearly do not deserve it.
What's pitiful is your inability to pull yourself out of the gutter and make an effort, what's pitiful is your expecting someone else to do it for you.
What's pitiful is you only making 50 fame in 3 months. What's pitiful is that despite all these things, you expect to be in ranked groups.
Guess what, when I begun I was rank 0, no one would accept me, it took me all of 1 day's unsuccessful grouping to say, "**** this, I'll make my own groups then." I did, and I made my own guild, and we are all rank 9/10/11+ now.
You are lazy, this thread is a masked attempt to gain lazy fame. You clearly do not deserve it.
Mmmk, if you feel unranked people don't deserve fame then don't help and stop flamin people that are askin for help. And as a matter of fact it was a LOT easier 2 years ago to pug a group than it is today because guess what, no new people come there because of the attitude that is shown on your posts. If you think we are a pitiful lazy group of people that want to learn HA and you don't want to help then don't. It's obvious that all your postin for is to flame people. No one asked you personally to help anyone at anytime so why do you feel the need to flame everyone?
Arno Sluismans
16-10-2007, 19:29
Hey mmorpg man! ^^
Your idea is really great. My brother and I have made an own guild without a rank requirement, because we're both sick of trying to find groups while we're actually being considered noob, just because we have few fame. I have 1 fame point, and I got that the single time I ever got into a HA group. I'm not kidding; it has been the only time that I have been accepted into one, and that was because the party leader wasn't such a person who thought unranked people are noob.
Do not judge the book by its cover, I'd say.
By the way, I am very honored to have you, mmorpg man, in our guild.
Greetings,
V, aka Arno
Mmmk, if you feel unranked people don't deserve fame then don't help and stop flamin people that are askin for help. And as a matter of fact it was a LOT easier 2 years ago to pug a group than it is today because guess what, no new people come there because of the attitude that is shown on your posts. If you think we are a pitiful lazy group of people that want to learn HA and you don't want to help then don't. It's obvious that all your postin for is to flame people. No one asked you personally to help anyone at anytime so why do you feel the need to flame everyone?
No one asked me personally?
All his posts about ranked players being rude? Elitist? "Look see this is proof balbalblaa" because no one responds? His posts were sweeping generalisations about all ranked players, so don't talk crap.
And no he's not "just asking for help", he's writing ****ty posts masquerading as "save HA" posts that are really "please get me some fame!" posts.
I have done more for HA and for unranked players than you have I can assure you, that doesn't mean it's valid to post absolute drivel about HA dying and the attitude of ranked players in an attempt to get them to aid you in farming fame.
You people are worse than any elitist, ugh disgusting.
Hey mmorpg man! ^^
Your idea is really great. My brother and I have made an own guild without a rank requirement, because we're both sick of trying to find groups while we're actually being considered noob, just because we have few fame. I have 1 fame point, and I got that the single time I ever got into a HA group. I'm not kidding; it has been the only time that I have been accepted into one, and that was because the party leader wasn't such a person who thought unranked people are noob.
Do not judge the book by its cover, I'd say.
By the way, I am very honored to have you, mmorpg man, in our guild.
Greetings,
V, aka Arno
So you have been in HA one time, and you are not a noob?
WTB LOGIC PLEASE????
Smite goes forums
16-10-2007, 20:02
Here are a few things:
If you **** up in HA expect to get raged at. If your team all dies and its all your fault your team is not going say never mind better luck next time. How will that help you? it wont. And if you do **** up take it like a man, apologise and say you will try harder next time and work to improve yourself, don't run off crying saying they are all elitist ba****** who are destroying HA. This will not help you, it will make you look like an idiot and will most likely be trash talked in about 7 different guild chats.
Secondly stop expecting to be let into r6/8/9/10+ groups when you are unranked. I can assure you I never tried to get into a group higher ranked than myself and find it very frustrating to be pestered by swarms of unranked players when forming a pug. Don't get me wrong sometimes I give people a chance however most of the time due to their lack of experience they normally suck and I have to ask them to leave. However if I do get an unranked it will be a fire ele or paragon as these are very hard to play incorrectly. I am not about to take an unranked monk simply because I do not believe they will have sufficient experience to play it adequately. So if you want to get rank make your own groups and play with the same people, your friends or even perhaps make your own guild or join one.
If you are not prepared to leave your guild to join or create a more pvp orientated one you shouldn't be complaining about being unranked. I had to leave many guilds I was happy in to better my experience in pvp and I believe it was worth it, it simply increased my friendslist not diminish it, remember you can always rejoin your old guilds whenever. I am very much still in contact with my friends from my old pve guilds.
twilight dragon
16-10-2007, 20:04
T, if you have nothing nice or constructive to say, kindly keep your flaming to yourself plz. ty for understanding.
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I'm also intersted in forming a group. Just send me a whisper ingame whenever or pm here :grin:
main ign: Twilight Goddess
Arno Sluismans
16-10-2007, 20:11
So you have been in HA one time, and you are not a noob?
WTB LOGIC PLEASE????
You are clearly confusing a noob with an unexperienced person, but nonetheless a person with potential. I just want to make clear that a "fameless" PvP'er isn't automaticly a noob. Some people just need the help of more experienced people to grow better. I'm one of those people, I know that. And calling me a noob, I think you are wrong.
Ugly Betty
16-10-2007, 20:23
What's pitiful is your inability to pull yourself out of the gutter and make an effort, what's pitiful is your expecting someone else to do it for you.
What's pitiful is you only making 50 fame in 3 months. What's pitiful is that despite all these things, you expect to be in ranked groups.
Guess what, when I begun I was rank 0, no one would accept me, it took me all of 1 day's unsuccessful grouping to say, "**** this, I'll make my own groups then." I did, and I made my own guild, and we are all rank 9/10/11+ now.
You are lazy, this thread is a masked attempt to gain lazy fame. You clearly do not deserve it.
wow T you have the brutality of a blunt-edged sword hacking a cute puppy. but i totally agree with you. i did not start out quite like you. i worked my way into a few ranked groups, developed a solid friends' list and the rest is history. it wasn't easy but the satisfaction i got from the effort was absolutely great. i'm about 60 fame from my wolfie and the friends i have made over the past 5 months i would not trade for anything.
Tiyuri waves his epeen and guild wars forums are once again saved. This same Tiyuri wonders why he has to wait an hour to get a match in halls. Telling someone to "pull up by your boot straps" is something you say to a high school drop out, this is a game not the real world. To those posters who feel like they are talking to a brick wall concerning this issue when Tiyuri, David, and co are on, don't worry you are. They are part of another generation of HA players and are far removed from how the pugging environment is like now. Back in those it took half a brain to run a unranked balance and another half to beat a decent bloodspike. Hell I beat a bloodspike with randomway back in those days. Unranked players in those days came from TA or GvG not RA/AB (if you want to guess the average intelligence of a unranked player in HA now, look how popular TA is). Unranked players then knew the popular builds, whether it was balanced or iway. Unranked players now have no clue what build gets them into a group or even if they need a certain build to get into groups, so they just play randomway. It was another time and another generation. HA was at its height then, and if you was good, you was bound to get in the right crowd eventually. However pvp never grew in their generation. Hell pvp as a whole never grew. Eventually the games growth came to a grinding halt. Look now, most of these top guilds are rearranged former guilds. Even during the "good old days" the same guilds occupied the top 10 consistently. HA and pvp in general was doomed to shrink in size greatly....new players will never have a easy way to get into HA and that is what ultimately killed it.
I don't get why there is so much quarrel over this, it's not like you have to do HA.
kongkingx
16-10-2007, 21:20
Moral lesson is simple: You played iWay to gain fame. You gained fame faster than others and hence, your guild stayed together.
Yea that and..
You start small, get good together.
Among the gazillions of iway players back then, won't you please tell a few of the popular ones, will you? :P
You stayed together for some decent amount of time because ANET did not react to iWay exploit as fast as they have been reacting against others.
Iway, again, was not overpowered. People then were just crying scrubs and bad players who don't kite, played ranger spike and thought bonds will save them and who don't use anti melee water hexes who happen to want fame so bad but cannot get since they always get owned by the next iway team that they face.
Hence, that success may not be repeatable. Without success Guilds cease to exist.
So, if you are telling new people to play only the current iWay type gimmicks and stick together, they probably will and get some success but, eventually they will fail and leave.
Yea but the point is that a guild can go from nothing and be the next big thing. Along the process, you'll have fun and the fame that you need. It doesn't matter if you continue your ties if everything ends. If you do, well its good. If you don't well its fine too. People get old and have real things to do. To top that, games get boring. And why play if you got what you want in game?
Ranger Nietzsche
17-10-2007, 02:01
Unranked players now have no clue what build gets them into a group or even if they need a certain build to get into groups, so they just play randomway. It was another time and another generation.
your telling me those players lack the ability to use observer mode? or either wiki?
With the wealth of resources available to new players there is NO, i repeat, NO excuse for not knowing the essentials of the professions of the current FoTM (Spiritway).
I started tombs in Jan 06, when IWAY was at its height. I went to tombs and sat, and noticed everyone wanted IWAY stuff. So I went to the internet and found out what it was. Are you telling me that new players lack this ability?
One google search of spiritway guildwars will give you all the info you need to know
Yea that and..
You start small, get good together.
If the game is new, yes that is true. But, it is not true after 2 years.
Among the gazillions of iway players back then, won't you please tell a few of the popular ones, will you? :P
You? :grin: (Don't know who you are though.)
It's not targeted to demean you but, to make you understand that it doesn't matter. Everything is transient. One year from now, is someone asks, "Among the gazillions of Spiritway players back then, won't you please tell a few of the popular ones, will you?" What will you say?
Iway, again, was not overpowered. People then were just crying scrubs and bad players who don't kite, played ranger spike and thought bonds will save them and who don't use anti melee water hexes who happen to want fame so bad but cannot get since they always get owned by the next iway team that they face.
No it was not and had multiple counters. However, most of those counters were so specific that it was simply difficult to utilize them against other builds. Everyone who has been around for sometime knows about it. So, I will not argue with you about iWay and derail the thread.
Yea but the point is that a guild can go from nothing and be the next big thing. Along the process, you'll have fun and the fame that you need.
Maybe in GW2 if ANET breaks all the ties to GW1 and gives everyone a fresh start in a new game. However, it is more than unlikely. What Blizzard achieved is very very difficult to repeat. If Diablo 3 ever comes out, it will become the next big thing after WoW. PK PK PK!!!! :grin:
To help new HA players, I will suggest everyone just take it easy. If you can't help with what they are looking for, troll somewhere else, I guess. :rolleyes:
mmorpg man
17-10-2007, 14:41
You are lazy, this thread is a masked attempt to gain lazy fame. You clearly do not deserve it.
what part of "I only do HA for the competition" don't you understand? I couldn't give a **** about fame or crappy emotes like you. as far as I'm concerned all of your posts are void untill you understand my motive for this thread. on a similar topic I don't try to get into higher ranked groups for a free ride to halls and lots of fame. I do it to prove to them that you can be unranked and experienced at the same time.
What's pitiful is your inability to pull yourself out of the gutter and make an effort, what's pitiful is your expecting someone else to do it for you.
What's pitiful is you only making 50 fame in 3 months. What's pitiful is that despite all these things, you expect to be in ranked groups.
whats pitiful is that you obviously can't comprehend the term "team game". guildwars was made to be a team game and in a team you're expected to work together and HELP each other out. I repeat, yet again, that I'm not expecting you to take hours of time to train new players nor am I asking you to even take part if you don't want to. I'm asking you to give 1 unranked player a chance in a ranked group. then if they suck then let them go but give 1 helpful comment so they can improve.
your telling me those players lack the ability to use observer mode? or either wiki?
With the wealth of resources available to new players there is NO, i repeat, NO excuse for not knowing the essentials of the professions of the current FoTM (Spiritway).
I started tombs in Jan 06, when IWAY was at its height. I went to tombs and sat, and noticed everyone wanted IWAY stuff. So I went to the internet and found out what it was. Are you telling me that new players lack this ability?
One google search of spiritway guildwars will give you all the info you need to know
This is the disconnect. Players do NOT do this. Its not just they can't they don't. Why? Because they come from RA/AB, where you can take any build you want and get into a group. This what they are used to. Most players from those areas think that HA is 8 man RA. If you came to HA from TA or GvG you wouldn't think that way. They will stop and see what players want you to run.
Mister Smartypants
17-10-2007, 15:53
Players do NOT do this.
Yet that is precisely what this player is doing - I started yesterday morning, in fact, after getting the green light for forming a newbie group. Might not get me anywhere (that depends how good or bad I am when I start playing), but I intend to go in knowing as much as I possibly can about maps, objectives, builds and teamplay. I've got two years of not playing to catch up on, ain't no way I'm going to manage that without learning as much as I can beforehand.
Most players from those areas think that HA is 8 man RA.
There should be 8-man RA weekend in HA. That will be fun!:grin:
Then again, the most popular HA builds are based on the same theme..so nothing new. :shocked:
kongkingx
17-10-2007, 18:42
No it was not and had multiple counters. However, most of those counters were so specific that it was simply difficult to utilize them against other builds.
How difficult is using counters for a build that you will probably face in most maps in HA?
This just proves that people were dumb back then.
Ugly Betty
17-10-2007, 20:28
This is the disconnect. Players do NOT do this. Its not just they can't they don't. Why? Because they come from RA/AB, where you can take any build you want and get into a group. This what they are used to. Most players from those areas think that HA is 8 man RA. If you came to HA from TA or GvG you wouldn't think that way. They will stop and see what players want you to run.
your statement needs an adjustment. it should read, "SOME PLAYERS DO NOT DO THIS." those that do their "homework" will benefit and in general it will be easier for them to get in a group. those that are lazy, uncaring, and self-centered will encounter major obstacles and be disappointed to the point of quitting. no effort, no group. no group, no fame.
mmorpg man
17-10-2007, 20:55
your statement needs an adjustment. it should read, "SOME PLAYERS DO NOT DO THIS." those that do their "homework" will benefit and in general it will be easier for them to get in a group. those that are lazy, uncaring, and self-centered will encounter major obstacles and be disappointed to the point of quitting. no effort, no group. no group, no fame.
you make it sound so simple but guess what? its not. higher ranked groups have formed the opinion now that all unranked players trying to get into groups are lazy idiots wanting their share of fame for no effort. I got news to you: not all unranked players are like this.
The Pro's should help new players (the ones who are willing to learn at least) by being good, truthful, and attemptive critics, which simply means instead of just going.
"Omg you suck!!1!!"
you go
"Omg you suck because....."
That's all they really should do, unranked players should help themselves for the most part.
mmorpg man
17-10-2007, 21:50
That's all they really should do, unranked players should help themselves for the most part.
thats the basic outline of my idea but in order to do that, higher ranked groups need to play with the unranked players. atm this isn't happening.
thats the basic outline of my idea but in order to do that, higher ranked groups need to play with the unranked players. atm this isn't happening.
No, I never once said ranked players should play with unranked players, I said they should tell unranked players where they are going wrong (SO that the smarter unranked will learn from their mistakes faster, and hence become better.) Your basic idea (from what I've read) involves unranked freeloading off the ranked.
twilight dragon
17-10-2007, 23:42
No, I never once said ranked players should play with unranked players, I said they should tell unranked players where they are going wrong (SO that the smarter unranked will learn from their mistakes faster, and hence become better.) Your basic idea (from what I've read) involves unranked freeloading off the ranked.
Yes. I would like that better. That they offer constructive suggestions. And I personally would have more fun starting out with less experienced players first, because their less likely to flame you if you mess up.
Oh, side note. I consider fame and the emote perks of HA, and not my overriding goal. I just want to play in that area. :smiley:
No, I never once said ranked players should play with unranked players, I said they should tell unranked players where they are going wrong (SO that the smarter unranked will learn from their mistakes faster, and hence become better.) Your basic idea (from what I've read) involves unranked freeloading off the ranked.
So tell me, how is a ranked player gonna see how an unranked players plays if the ranked players NEVER let unranked in their groups? I mean really, how in the world can a person tell someone what they are doin wrong if they never see the person play?
I'm sorry but threads like these are just ugh. If you expect to join a team with ranked players you seriously have to expect some shouting. People are not going to pat you on the head and say "there there it will be better next time." And please don't tell us what we should do by saying that HA is dying because it's sooo unfriendly towards new players. I thought anet made all those stupid changes so that it would be more friendly towards new players. And just a question to the OP. How much fame have you got now? Have you even TRIED to join pugs or start a team on your own?
I see topics of discussion haven't changed one bit.
mmorpg man
18-10-2007, 14:26
I'm sorry but threads like these are just ugh. If you expect to join a team with ranked players you seriously have to expect some shouting. People are not going to pat you on the head and say "there there it will be better next time." And please don't tell us what we should do by saying that HA is dying because it's sooo unfriendly towards new players. I thought anet made all those stupid changes so that it would be more friendly towards new players. And just a question to the OP. How much fame have you got now? Have you even TRIED to join pugs or start a team on your own?
in answer to your question, yes I have PUGed with unranked players and created my own groups for the last 2-3months with hardly any success. and if player attitude isn't killing HA then what is? stop using Anet as a shield because you can't admit that you're wrong. in case you haven't noticed I'm not alone in this opinion and I suggest that all those who think this idea could work then follow me and join viona's new guild. its called "brothers of Maeseyck" and there is a post about joining in the guild recruitment forum. or you can contact me in game and I'll put you in touch with 1 of the officers.
IGN - mid night illusion
Ranger Nietzsche
18-10-2007, 15:55
so lets see.
you formed your own unranked guild in order to farm fame together.
Isn't that one of the things that myself, tiyuri, ephekt, kingkong, etc. etc. said to do all along?
That's how I did it. Both Kong and Tiyuri have said that's how they did it in this thread no less.
Guess what, when I begun I was rank 0, no one would accept me, it took me all of 1 day's unsuccessful grouping to say, "**** this, I'll make my own groups then." I did, and I made my own guild, and we are all rank 9/10/11+ now.
considering the above is pretty much what you're doing, I don't see why you argue against Tiyuri's advice, as you're following it.
mmorpg man
18-10-2007, 17:46
you formed your own unranked guild in order to farm fame together.
NO! I'm not doing it to farm fame, I'm doing it to help train others to play HA. why can't you idiot high ranked players understand this simple concept???
Ranger Nietzsche
18-10-2007, 19:04
Now you're just using semantics to avoid admitting that you actually followed the advice of those "idiot high ranked players"
the fact is you didn't get enough groups, so you formed a guild with like minded people.
which is exactly what most of those "idiot high ranked players" suggest for new players to get into HA.
Arno Sluismans
18-10-2007, 19:35
Our [MSK] guild is not made to farm fame. It has been made for the very thing Mmorpg Man is complaining about, a complaint which all of our guild members have in common: We want to play HA. My opinion is that HA is, together with GvG, the coolest and most exciting thing to do in Guild Wars, but I've never got a chance to join a group, not because I suck at PvP, but because I don't have that number 180 on my fame counter. Trying to find a pug is very annoying for me, and I don't play GW to do annoying stuff. I wanna enjoy my gaming.
mmorpg man
18-10-2007, 23:10
Now you're just using semantics to avoid admitting that you actually followed the advice of those "idiot high ranked players"
the fact is you didn't get enough groups, so you formed a guild with like minded people.
which is exactly what most of those "idiot high ranked players" suggest for new players to get into HA.
I didn't form the guild. I was looking for a new guild and saw them asking for members in the guild recruitment forum. I say again that I'm not trying to force ideas onto you. I'm asking you to consider the future and help out others. If you don't want to then just get lost and stop posting on this thread.
I intend to help those whome others won't.
to farm fame
Why does it always have to be about farming fame. Is it so wrong to just want to play HA? The fame is just a bonus. Cause frankly, lets face it, a person can only play so much RA and TA before you want to reach through your screen and rip the heads off of the ranger flare spammers and the hamstorm healing warriors. After a while their builds aint even funny anymore. And for futhermore i don't plan on leaving my guild, I have worked too hard getting my guild hall and everything in it just to throw it away for the ability to play in HA.
Ugly Betty
19-10-2007, 00:42
Why does it always have to be about farming fame. Is it so wrong to just want to play HA? The fame is just a bonus. Cause frankly, lets face it, a person can only play so much RA and TA before you want to reach through your screen and rip the heads off of the ranger flare spammers and the hamstorm healing warriors. After a while their builds aint even funny anymore. And for futhermore i don't plan on leaving my guild, I have worked too hard getting my guild hall and everything in it just to throw it away for the ability to play in HA.
i always thought it was about rank and that fame was a means to an end. rank allows you easier access to better teams, which means better odds for more wins, and hence more fun. unless you think the title "luxon athletic supporter" is nicer-looking than an animated tiger emote.
twilight dragon
19-10-2007, 03:07
i always thought it was about rank and that fame was a means to an end. rank allows you easier access to better teams, which means better odds for more wins, and hence more fun. unless you think the title "luxon athletic supporter" is nicer-looking than an animated tiger emote.
Well, admittedly the rank emote does look cool. But, I still think of it as a perk not my goal. (at least for me anyway :tongue: )
...........And for futhermore i don't plan on leaving my guild, I have worked too hard getting my guild hall and everything in it just to throw it away for the ability to play in HA.
Don't leave your guild that you love for the ability to play in HA. It does not worth it. You can pug till r9 fosho. :)
Ranger Nietzsche
19-10-2007, 07:02
I didn't form the guild. I was looking for a new guild and saw them asking for members in the guild recruitment forum. I say again that I'm not trying to force ideas onto you. I'm asking you to consider the future and help out others. If you don't want to then just get lost and stop posting on this thread.
I intend to help those whome others won't.
you're still arguing semantics.
The fact is you needed HA groups, so you found a new guild. People have ALWAYS used this method. Its not a new idea, its not a new concept.
And the fact is many players DON'T want to leave their guilds just to play HA, and thus asking people to join your guild for HA groups in a guild that doesn't care about rank doesn't solve the problem that you perceive.
New HA players who are willing to find an HA guild don't need help, by realizing they need a pvp guild they are helping themselves.
mmorpg man
19-10-2007, 08:23
you're still arguing semantics.
The fact is you needed HA groups, so you found a new guild. People have ALWAYS used this method. Its not a new idea, its not a new concept.
And the fact is many players DON'T want to leave their guilds just to play HA, and thus asking people to join your guild for HA groups in a guild that doesn't care about rank doesn't solve the problem that you perceive.
New HA players who are willing to find an HA guild don't need help, by realizing they need a pvp guild they are helping themselves.
who said anything about it being a new concept? anyway the chances of finding a guild like the 1 I've found are like 1 in a million. focused HA/GvG guilds nearly always have a rank requirement and most of the guilds that don't have a rank requirement just do AB and TA and only do HA or GvG like once a month or so (If you're lucky).
BabyJ, I, and nobody else is forcing you to join the guild if you have already made a niche in another guild (sorry if it came across like that earlier). I think you would be able to play with us when you like If we have players short.
B Ephekt
19-10-2007, 12:05
No offense. But this is just attitude people mean when they say that the pvp community is so unfriendly that they don't pvp anymore. But if you want HA to slowly die, then be my guest lob angry statements at people who just wanna learn, all you like. HA is already dead. It died because of balance issues and people getting bored with the game. Everyone who actually played there knows this.
I get your point, but your argument doesn't really work when hardly anyone even cares about HA anymore. Trust me, neither Tiyuri, Nietzsche or I am losing anything if new players don't come into HA. You're only losing the opportunity to play in an arena you're obviously interested in.
Additionally, I don't mean to be rude, but if you can't deal with some mean text on your monitor from time to time then internet gaming is probably not for you.
What's so terribly wrong with helping anyway? *sigh*
Absolutely nothing. And players like Tiyuri and myself have done just that in the past, when we felt like it. But help should not be something that's expected of high ranked players. For some reason unranked players come off as being angry that nobody is willing to stop their game at the drop of the hat to appease their OMG NEED to be helped right now, and end up *****ing about how fame and rank are so unfair emo emo emo etc. That's why these threads always suck and the unranked players who complain that they can't get into ranked groups get called lazy freeloaders.
I'm not sure why this "help me or you're elitist!!!!!!!!!" nonsense is so prevalent in this game. (My best guess is that RP players don't really 'get' pvp mentality.) You find it almost nowhere in other competative games. I've never seen an FPS player complain that a top clan wouldn't accept newbies, or that Starcraft or fighting game players were elitist because they didn't spend their time teaching others to play a game they taught themselves.
The whole deal is absurd. If you want to be good at something, you put some effort in and learn how to play. If help comes along, take it, but don't sit around whining if it's not offered. I can probably pull up posts from a year ago and find some of the same players complaining about rank then that are complaining now. I've done it before on Guru. That is simply ridiculous.
you make it sound so simple but guess what? its not. higher ranked groups have formed the opinion now that all unranked players trying to get into groups are lazy idiots wanting their share of fame for no effort. I got news to you: not all unranked players are like this.
I don't think anyone in this thread thinks that ALL unranked players are freeloaders. But the ones who complain about not getting into ranked groups certain paint themselves with that brush.
you're still arguing semantics.
This entire discourse is hilarious. Thank you, mmorpgguy, for unwittingly providing me with my morning humor.
BabyJ, I, and nobody else is forcing you to join the guild if you have already made a niche in another guild (sorry if it came across like that earlier). I think you would be able to play with us when you like If we have players short.
It wasn't directed at you. Its just been said alot to join an HA guild, and I'm not goin to leave my guild. But i would be happy to join your group when ever you need a person. :smiley:
Example:
New HA players who are willing to find an HA guild don't need help, by realizing they need a pvp guild they are helping themselves.
The majority of pvp guilds that recruit have a rank req.
B Ephekt
19-10-2007, 15:36
The majority of pvp guilds that recruit have a rank req.
Majority does not equal all, but you already know that or you wouldn't have used that word... right? You're also completely free to create your own guild and recruit unranked players.
So, what's your point here? That's it's not easy?
Majority does not equal all, but you already know that or you wouldn't have used that word... right? You're also completely free to create your own guild and recruit unranked players.
So, what's your point here? That's it's not easy?
True majority doesn't equal all, and yes that is why i used that word.
My point was to show mmorpg man that a comment in my post was not directed at him. Nothin more nothin less.
Ugly Betty
19-10-2007, 22:09
i can't believe this thread is still going on. i think Tiyuri and the rest of the knowledgeable people have explained and been informative enough on the issue. and really, it is a non-issue. to get any where in life whether it be a game or a job or in school, you have to make a commitment and put in the effort. no one is entitled to anything. you gotta work for it. why is that so hard to understand?
i can't believe this thread is still going on. i think Tiyuri and the rest of the knowledgeable people have explained and been informative enough on the issue. and really, it is a non-issue. to get any where in life whether it be a game or a job or in school, you have to make a commitment and put in the effort. no one is entitled to anything. you gotta work for it. why is that so hard to understand?
I guess the lazy and ignorant will always try, it's nature. But yeah, this topic needs more Shame and Blackout.
Silker Voradories
20-10-2007, 08:57
This is the sort of stuff that makes it discuragable for new players to play in HA, I understand where mmorg man is coming from. and if your one of those people that think HA isn't dead. Have you been in there lately? i mean common all you see are nothing but SWAY groups out there. Most of them are all new players trying to grind some fame in order to join a decent guild that actually does gvg/ha with a Rank Req. And i've read a few posts of some of you complaining about how boring it is to play against sway. Its mostly because its hard for them to join the elite groups out there. About 90% of all the good players have left because the lack of competition or the game just got boring because of they're own excuses (nerf anet this and that) you know that usual stuff that people complain about. To be honest i believe it all goes down to the attitudes that players have with one another, people these days that do pvp are pricks compared to how it was back when the rifts were used it was so much fun. The atmosphere was alot calmer and friendly compared to how it is now. No one wants to help and they would rather complain.
By saying this if any of you know anyone that would like to be part of a guild that wants to learn and grow pretty decent in size for daily pvp/gvg let me know im forming a guild I know how hard it is for ppl that want to get into the competitive side of the game is without rank or fame (been there and done that twice) I usually do HA daily so if you wanna do some HA let me know as well and we'll get something started. And those of you that think im some noob out there trying to gain some fame... I've been around since Balthz Aura was stackable and spirits were stackable as well (more then 1 of the same kind of spirits) i still think that balthz aura smite build was pwnage too bad it didn't last long =P
In game name is Silker Voradoriez
or visit the guildsite here (http://cake.guildcafe.com)
The Avatar
22-10-2007, 19:19
To tell u the truth, this "teamwork" idea sometime just doesnt work. for 8 players, if one person fails, the entire group is done since each person has the role to synergize to make it work. Anet tries to create this perfect enivronment for pvp, but it just doesnt work. in reality, everyone tries to get his fame, everyone wants to win. whenever ur in a pug that lose couple of times in the first three areas and not passing far, people start leaving and rage quitting. why? cuz the team sux thats why. if it's individuals, people will point it out.
a good team consists not cuz of the build, but rather the players who know wat their doing. nobody really wants to waste his time to teach the newer players of simple mechanics of the game. new players should pick up the basic themselves, and is not hard. the basic component is simply know to kite, pick the right target, dont over-extend, and do ur role well. the rest of the game mechanic is simply following the leader's orders. (usually the leader who tries to start a group has a decent experience about HA)
usually for pug, dont join a group that doesnt have vent/ts. a good group always will need vent for better communication otherwise it wont get far.
tbh, HA is pretty dead right now, so as gvg this kind of high-ended pvp. as u can see, the one who wins hall is always those 2-3 guilds, and sometime a really good pug group who can hold it. A good and stable guilds are mainly made up of friends, and trust me, they wont invite some random people (rank doesnt matter) cuz they are already good, unless ur some famous people like panda and ekelon, leeloof who desperately need a guild. try to join a guild like gank or soul is pretty much impossible. the best way is to get some friends first and work from there.
another reason that HA is dead cuz removal of heroes. (limit to 2) the truth is, sometime heroes are "better" than real players. matter of fact, they can perform better than newer players cuz the AI never make mistake and they dont rage. in the old days, people prefer heroes cuz they can get in fast and get some fames. heroway was pretty powerful.
one thing about anet failing is that they think people will work with each other cuz it's a team game, so they try to create this "fun" & "friendly" environment for new players. in reality, this is bull crap. people only like to play with the people they know the most (cuz they know each other's potential). rank is just there to show that u have played through alot and u got a clue at least about HA, thats why no one trusts those un-ranked scrubs. people dont play with idiots, they like to win. if u look at other mmorpg pvp, like wow, they never have this type of problem in pug. cuz wow is designed for individual gameplay, (each class can stand on its own) and when it comes to teamplay it certainly doesnt do as bad, at least not failing.
Don't leave your guild that you love for the ability to play in HA. It does not worth it.
I tried that Vela...and your right..it didnt work out too well.
I struggled to R7 and started with an empty FL...it took many many months and a lot of effort.
SurviverX
24-10-2007, 00:11
So....when can I start flashing my uber 1337 gladiator title?
oh yea...revert to 6v6?
Trinity Fire Angel
07-11-2007, 02:01
ha ha!!! bugger it. i have worked out what is going on... HA has become as tough off the field as it is on the field. well... i am all for Randomway and Noobway. Being 32yo i may sound like a fool to some of you who are teens and twentysomethinggeneration "y"'s. but this thread has inspired me. I am going to start up unranked groups even to the point of letting people just play their PVE builds, taking heroes, etc etc.
Lets flood the arena;s with new players and in general lets change the face of the halls. With a LOT more unranked groups in the system, that will give other unranked groups a chance for more even play. Think about it, if you have 10 high ranked groups and 30 unranked groups, your chance of winning and playing against an evenly matched team will be higher and you will have more fun.
Starting tonight i am forming my own Randomway / Heroway / Anyway teams. Thanks to the OP, i have been inspired. :wink:
idea::: perhaps ANet could introduce a random element to halls? Like RA, individual players can press start mission and be randomly grouped with other players? I know it would degrade the competition a little in the early rounds, but at least people would be getting experience and the competition will still be high in the later rounds. Idea???
glorentson
08-11-2007, 02:45
Alright then, I myself am rank4, and the fact that none of you want to help is absolutely pitiful. You all Learned somewhere, didnt you? Its not because your
" TEH 133T PLAERS", its because someone along the line was willing to help you. Wether it was from your fellow guildies, alliance members, friends, or even random azz PUGS, you still learned somewhere. Dont be completely ignorant about this. Because half of you may going around spamming your Emotes, but no one cares. Although you think "man i only want the best in ha! , but where are those "best" going to come from? Half of the players that i know that are big on HA and fairly high ranked, dont like it anymore. guess why!
NOT because of the "noobs"
NOT because its "Dead"
But BECAUSE of people like you, the people who think they are god almighty at pvp. Just give it a rest. When people stop playing HA i say good. And we all blame it on you.
If they have the build let them play, chances are there better than you. You dont see the GOOD players spamming their emoticons, saying how "133T" they are, and if you tell me im wrong and that the GOOD players do this, then your a complete moron in my book.
someone for the help of god, please help the newer players out. I say that we start and plan groups for HA we take a fair amount of seasoned players, and a few new ones. I dont care how we do it.
Even if you just go out, start a pug and let a new player in, Good for you. I dont want you to come back here saying "I helped a noob out!!!"
Do it for yourself, not us. No, do it for the Newbies
Time to repeat what's probably the best part of this thread I guess:
Absolutely nothing. And players like Tiyuri and myself have done just that in the past, when we felt like it. But help should not be something that's expected of high ranked players. For some reason unranked players come off as being angry that nobody is willing to stop their game at the drop of the hat to appease their OMG NEED to be helped right now, and end up *****ing about how fame and rank are so unfair emo emo emo etc. That's why these threads always suck and the unranked players who complain that they can't get into ranked groups get called lazy freeloaders.
I'm not sure why this "help me or you're elitist!!!!!!!!!" nonsense is so prevalent in this game. (My best guess is that RP players don't really 'get' pvp mentality.) You find it almost nowhere in other competative games. I've never seen an FPS player complain that a top clan wouldn't accept newbies, or that Starcraft or fighting game players were elitist because they didn't spend their time teaching others to play a game they taught themselves.
The whole deal is absurd. If you want to be good at something, you put some effort in and learn how to play. If help comes along, take it, but don't sit around whining if it's not offered. I can probably pull up posts from a year ago and find some of the same players complaining about rank then that are complaining now. I've done it before on Guru. That is simply ridiculous.
That should probably be stickied somewhere. GW is probably the only place where helping isn't a choice but a duty.
Also:
f they have the build let them play, chances are there better than you.
If they are better, they don't need help.
Ugly Betty
08-11-2007, 18:59
someone for the help of god, please help the newer players out. I say that we start and plan groups for HA we take a fair amount of seasoned players, and a few new ones. I dont care how we do it.
uh............no.
One Man Massacre
08-11-2007, 21:16
Time to repeat what's probably the best part of this thread I guess:
some of the points he brings up are true. sure, you can (and should) teach yourself, but you cant teach yourself if no one wants to take you into their group in the first place.
Trinity Fire Angel
08-11-2007, 23:01
it;s true. you try standing in HA and see if you get a group;
Unranked Ele looking for Group.
The best way to get "XP" ppl to "lend you a hand"..is to post some of the statements made in this thread.
Alright then, I myself am rank4, and the fact that none of you want to help is absolutely pitiful. ..im quite certain this player hasnt quite grasped the idea of HA
But BECAUSE of people like you, the people who think they are god almighty at pvp. Just give it a rest. When people stop playing HA i say good. And we all blame it on you.
The tone of the entire post (above) has put me off thinking of helping anyone...
Go do what i did...build up your friendslist.
Now all i have to do is logon...and there are groups forming..Pms from friends.
I dont need to help you out to get a team...thank-you
Current HA mechanism and gameplay do not help newer players and also do not provide any incentive to more experienced players to get newer players in the group. Hence, it will not be of any help even if you request for help in HA.
So far as this forum goes, no offense, the most of the posters either don't play GW anymore or at the least don't play in HA. Those who do will not take newer players in the group for the reason stated above.
At any rate, this is all I say to any player who approaches me for a group in HA.... even if I want you in a group others will rage as they don't want to play with inexperienced folks. So, when I lead a group, I pick up a few newish folks I know as I know they listen much better than some of the 1337s I know.
A new player approached me for help the other nite. I could not help that person by taking him/her in my team. But gave some suggestions. Two weeks after I got a PM from that person thanking me as he/she got to r3. I asked why. This person said, I gave hope. I don't know for sure what I gave, but, I do know that 100% of the credit goes to that person for trying to make it and for eventually making it.
And if someone tells me that you need a PvP guild for getting your tiger, I will absolutely not accept it. What you need is a friendlist. And to be good, I honestly believe that you need to understand two things. 1. Whether you are under pressure and 2. if you are putting pressure on the other team effectively. If you can answer these two questions correctly in time and follow-up accordingly, you probably win most of the matches regardless of your rank.
Goodluck to all of you for trying and making it there. Stay away from swearing, cursing and other stupid things most people do. Concentrate on having fun the right way. If cussing and doing stupid things give you extreme pleasure, do that elsewhere. Don't cheat, don't scam, play the game for fun and be successful in real life.
Godspeed.
mmorpg man
09-11-2007, 16:18
The tone of the entire post (above) has put me off thinking of helping anyone...
Go do what i did...build up your friendslist.
Now all i have to do is logon...and there are groups forming..Pms from friends.
I dont need to help you out to get a team...thank-you
/sigh If you're going to give advice please let it be original. just saying "make a friendslist" isn't helping. so you're policy on this is "I will only help those who already have the means to help themselves". I can't understand what's so bad about help someone else instead of yourself all the time or maybe I'm missing something here. please enlighten me if I am.
Starting tonight i am forming my own Randomway / Heroway / Anyway teams. Thanks to the OP, i have been inspired.
thats not really what I was getting act. also I would rather u didn't make randomway groups because it projects a bad image of unranked players to the community. plus I have never seen a randomway team ever get through to halls and probably won't. I'm not discurraging u from making ur own teams, on the contrary I think its great, but at least make them organised teams or you won't get anywhere.
so, after 9 pages of this thread I've discovered a few things
1) lots of unranked players want to learn but don't have the oppotunity
2) most ranked players think that teaching unranked players is a waste of time
3) I'm wasting my time talking to ranked players about helping others when I could be just doing it myself
well this is probably the last I have to say on this thread but as I've said before, anyone who wants ACTIVE help in HA and is willing to learn and be dedicated can PM me in game. I would also like to thank you vela for providing support and help to others. you are a very honourable player.
ign - mid night illusion
I pugged for 10 min today. No rank req. Those 10 min were enough to make anyone not want to help new players. Apparently they know everything so need not any help. Ow, and I "learned" that I should bring lava font so I could ease melee pressure on me.
I know not everyone is like that, and I know some people who aren't. The fact remains however, that if you take a random unranked person from HA, there's a good chance they don't want to play better, but to play. They don't have any proof you know more about the game than they do, so they stick to what has "worked before" (which is usually synonym to having killed people in RA with their build).
If you're serious about wanting help, don't dismiss what people say just because you don't agree. If you're in doubt, get a decent source in the game and report back to him when you not sure about what person x or y is saying. There are quite a lot of players who like to play on their ranked groups/guilds, but wont deny you 10 min of conversation if you want. Getting better == getting respect == getting more play time, and that's your aim.
glorentson
10-11-2007, 03:26
I pugged for 10 min today. No rank req. Those 10 min were enough to make anyone not want to help new players. Apparently they know everything so need not any help. Ow, and I "learned" that I should bring lava font so I could ease melee pressure on me.
I know not everyone is like that, and I know some people who aren't. The fact remains however, that if you take a random unranked person from HA, there's a good chance they don't want to play better, but to play. They don't have any proof you know more about the game than they do, so they stick to what has "worked before" (which is usually synonym to having killed people in RA with their build).
If you're serious about wanting help, don't dismiss what people say just because you don't agree. If you're in doubt, get a decent source in the game and report back to him when you not sure about what person x or y is saying. There are quite a lot of players who like to play on their ranked groups/guilds, but wont deny you 10 min of conversation if you want. Getting better == getting respect == getting more play time, and that's your aim.
Just wanted to say that i like your awnser. :grin:
im glad that you are being open minded about this.
Psychotic Death X
10-11-2007, 03:50
Ranked players aren't going to help unranks to learn unless they know them or have run out of things to do, simple reason being its a game and people play for fun.
Anyway, since alot of people want to play HA, it might be worth starting a more viable way of seeing how big interest really is (adding names to a forum thread and then having a huge FList of people you don't know, probaly isn't the best way).
Starting off on the GWO IRC (http://guildwars.incgamers.com/chat/) and making builds and forming parties there, is probaly best, since its easy enough to access.
Ranked players aren't going to help unranks to learn unless they know them
Well i guess since i don't know any ranked players (or anyone in game) then I'm pretty screwed huh. :cry:
Psychotic Death X
10-11-2007, 13:11
Well i guess since i don't know any ranked players (or anyone in game) then I'm pretty screwed huh. :cry:
Not particularily, I've never had much trouble getting into HA teams myself. I'm a lowly r3 too, the way I've always managed it when I was playing HA alot, was to build up a decent supply of faction elsewhere before hand and then go in and play whatever build was needed.
mmorpg man
10-11-2007, 13:29
If you're serious about wanting help, don't dismiss what people say just because you don't agree. If you're in doubt, get a decent source in the game and report back to him when you not sure about what person x or y is saying. There are quite a lot of players who like to play on their ranked groups/guilds, but wont deny you 10 min of conversation if you want. Getting better == getting respect == getting more play time, and that's your aim.
10min conversation? don't make me laugh. most high ranked players will ask for rank then if its <r3 they ignore all other things said to them by that person.
I pugged for 10 min today. No rank req. Those 10 min were enough to make anyone not want to help new players. Apparently they know everything so need not any help. Ow, and I "learned" that I should bring lava font so I could ease melee pressure on me.
no, don't bring lava font. its not ur job as a fire ele to relieve pressure. its your job to kill and provide pressure with AoE. if you do get pressured by a warrior, etc then comunicate that with your group (this is where vent is really helpful). they can then get a snare or whatever to relieve the pressure from you. this is the basis of teamwork.
I keep forgetting sarcasm and forums don't go well together. I know well enough why not to bring lava font, the point was, the guy who told me that did not accept any reasons why that skill was useless to his particular build.
10min conversation? don't make me laugh. most high ranked players will ask for rank then if its <r3 they ignore all other things said to them by that person.
When they are forming a group you can't honestly expect them to have the time to chat with all the people who pm them. Organizing a pug can easily mean you have to handle 3 or 4 chats at the same time, there's no time for everything. However, when they aren't doing that, there are a LOT of people that don't mind answering questions about how the game works. I know this for a fact from personal experience. Just don't be a pain in the *** asking stuff you can get from wiki or a forum and they aren't that rude or elitist.
You ask for people not to think all unranked players = bad players, but you apparently have the same stereotypical behavior regarding high ranked players.
Not particularily, I've never had much trouble getting into HA teams myself. I'm a lowly r3 too, the way I've always managed it when I was playing HA alot, was to build up a decent supply of faction elsewhere before hand and then go in and play whatever build was needed.
I have 9 whole fame and cant get anyone to give me the time of day. I'm also UAX, yet to ask a question to a ranked player, the replies i get are "go back to pve nub" " Your a pve noob...go away" etc. etc. etc. I'm sayin this is my personal experience and I'm not sayin that all ranked players do this. There might be some nice ones (very few IMO) but I have yet to find one to give an unranked player the time of day. I would like to play both aspects PVE and PVP but as it is now I guess my only option is to stick with pve and be happy.
Psychotic Death X
10-11-2007, 19:07
I have 9 whole fame and cant get anyone to give me the time of day. I'm also UAX, yet to ask a question to a ranked player, the replies i get are "go back to pve nub" " Your a pve noob...go away" etc. etc. etc. I'm sayin this is my personal experience and I'm not sayin that all ranked players do this. There might be some nice ones (very few IMO) but I have yet to find one to give an unranked player the time of day. I would like to play both aspects PVE and PVP but as it is now I guess my only option is to stick with pve and be happy.
I would highly advise playing with other unranked players, and not with ranked players. Your more likely to learn as a group and build up a small friends list this way, its not worth trying to join ranked groups as they'll be less likely to accept you made a mistake than unranked ones.
I have this problem even askin a question to a ranked player, not askin to join their group just a simple question. If they don't really have the time or somethin i can understand but all they need to say is something like, "i don't really have time right now but i can answer you later if you like" but no, i get "go back to pve noob" :shocked: I have join unranked players and have managed to pick up 9 fame. But as everyone knows a random pug loses once and its rage quit. Its not really the end of the world if I can't get into the pvp side of guild wars, I just don't see why rank has to make people so rude.
the ettins kiss
10-11-2007, 21:50
I was just having a thought when doing HA.
there are plenty of unranked players, usually without a team.
yet almost none of them ever form a team themselves (including me).
To be honest when lfp-ing I even see plenty of...
'I will join you if you build us a team'
To which I would have to awnswer
'I have not enough experience to know what builds I need in a teambuild'
I am perfectly fine with forming teams myself.
I just dont have a clue where to find to find those builds.
HA is quite confusing for new commers I think. EoE bombing, chubbyway,(modded)Sway, ele spike, heroway, WTFway and many others.
So basically could anyone be as kind as to give me a link where I am supposed to find those basic builds.
ty.
twilight dragon
10-11-2007, 23:29
www.pvxwiki.com/
generally has some basic builds. (although i've had some trouble lately acessing this site, but I'm thinking its just me :tongue: )
the ettins kiss
11-11-2007, 10:09
www.pvxwiki.com/
generally has some basic builds. (although i've had some trouble lately acessing this site, but I'm thinking its just me :tongue: )
Ty, now I can start taking things more into my own hands :-)
mmorpg man
11-11-2007, 17:36
If your looking for some more builds (cos pvxwiki isn't completely up to date on the current meta) try observer mode to pick up builds. every build has a general setup even if its modded. otherwise you could try and make your own build if you like but generally its harder to find a team when people don't know what the build is like. personally I prefer the latter especially since I do alot of balanced teams.
the ettins kiss
11-11-2007, 23:09
If your looking for some more builds (cos pvxwiki isn't completely up to date on the current meta) try observer mode to pick up builds. every build has a general setup even if its modded. otherwise you could try and make your own build if you like but generally its harder to find a team when people don't know what the build is like. personally I prefer the latter especially since I do alot of balanced teams.
In the bolded lies the problem, it isnt exactly easy finding a team being unranked, why would I even make it harder?
I have 1 huge problem with observer mode. These are builds generally executed by very experienced players. I wouldnt expect newcomers to comprehend what it actually takes to perform those builds properly. at least with those few PvX builds I know what I am looking for, and so do many of the others.
To be honest I would much rather prefer doing balanced builds. Unfortunately being a RaO, ele bomb, angorodons spike or some other lame build, seems like the only way for unranked players to get in a team in any descent span of time, you get the randomway recruitment regardless ;-) .Which I regularly except, because although it doesnt seem very effective in terms of fame, it is more fun and at least it may teach me something.
I wouldnt want to be a r9 RaO lfg (I have seen them ....)
Trinity Fire Angel
11-11-2007, 23:33
...., i get "go back to pve noob" .....
sooo... on the weekend i went out looking for groups again... this time i got into an ELE Spike group. I asked for the build and equipment please... so i got a build that had some weird Assassin Elite. There were two builds being pinged about and the other was Deadly Paradox and Savanahh heat.
To cut a long story short, we got the build with the Sin elite and my friend said " i don;t have that elite" ... bang KICK... she was kicked. Then i said hey? why was she kicked? "Didn;t have elite". I don;t have the elite either.... KICK.
i asked why i was kick. "
"No elite". He Says
"I don;t have the SIN elite... sorry... what is it, i can unlock it".
"It;s not a Sin elite, its an ele elite. Go back to PVE noob"
... this is where i get angry...
"WTF??? you gave me a build with a SIN elite", i responded
"Searing Heat is an ELE elite", he says
"Mate, i have been playing ele longer than you have. And Searing heat is not an Elite"
"Searing heat is an ELE, f#$k off and go back to PVE NOOB!!!!!"
so this is where i put on my bar... Savanahh Heat, Searing Heat and Tenais heat and ping it to him. my last comment was....
"This is Savanahh Heat. You cap it on the other side of the suphurous wastes. I doubt you have ever played ele... so here are the other two related skills. including Searing Heat"
... no commment... ROFL
so in the end... we formed a PUG within 10mins. Being new, we grabbed who we could, 2 Assassins, 2 Eles, 1 N/Rt healer, 3 Monks (1 prot/smite) and went out. We were not that strong so only got +4 morale boost but came up against a Legoway team. Not sure how good they were, but we outlasted them for 21mins. Kept our ghostly alive and killed theirs in the first 5 mins. Got our 10+ morale boost and made the other team quit in the end.
After taht we went on and lost on the 3rd round. But at least we lasted a good while and got enough play time to get used to the map and the area, started picking up when spikes were coming, played around with body blocking.. etc etc.
i see where the ranked HA people are coming from now... form your own groups, do it the hard way and don;t get a free ride to fame. this is what they had to do and we should also do it too. it;s the only way to learn.
mmorpg man
12-11-2007, 01:15
this is 1 of the main problems i have this most of the high ranking PvP comunity. you only get 1 shot. with unfamilier people you make 1 slip up and bam, thats it and they won't take you any longer. I know from my experience that whenever in a high ranking PUG team, I'm always nervous about making that 1 slip and getting kicked. this of course makes the game less enjoyable for everyone envolved. the person getting kicked feels ashamed and probably doesn't want to carry on with a broken ego. then the team gets frustrated because they can't get started and have to find a replacement (this can be hard if its something rare like a r8+ mesmer or whatever). is this really necessary?
Trinity Fire Angel
12-11-2007, 01:23
i think you will most likely get kicked like this from 12yo's or 20 somethings with ADHD or people with "Angry German Kid" syndrom. (if you don;t know Angry German Kid, look him up on youtube).
really,,, if you get only one shot like this then just move on to a more friendlier group.
I know from my experience that whenever in a high ranking PUG team, I'm always nervous about making that 1 slip and getting kicked. this of course makes the game less enjoyable for everyone envolved.
I know, I have said this before. If this is of any solace, let me tell you this..if you are a lower ranked person in a group of people who have a bit higher ranks than you, you will be the flame-sink. Ok? Like it or not, it is a fact. Sometimes, it is your mistake and sometimes it is not. However, if you are friends with someone in the group who is a usual member, you will be a candidate for guild chat flames. "kick the f$%#&ing noob friend of yours". In our case, its generally the prot monk from gold caped [XX] (she is good, I can't name the guild bcoz everyone will know who I am talking about) and it generally goes like this on guild chat after every fail...
Accuser -- "Omg, Omfg, is she sleeping? omg no prot on me whatsoever. well hello, pre-prot nub. Seriously, kick her!"
Defender (monk's friend) -- Dude, we just did 32 fame halls with her in group. So, chill.
Accuser -- "Well, she is a noob!"
Defender (monk's friend) -- "No, she is r12, you dumba$$! Chill."
Accuser -- "iwayed, stupid j@rk."
Defender (monk's friend) -- "No she is [XX] core. So STFU already. Let's go again."
Someone else -- "Dude, you overextended way too much and mez did not get the DF and we went thru the choke..so, sh!t happens."
Accuser -- "I don't care. She can't spell prot. Omg why I always have to play with nubs who fail at UW."
I can screenie for you new players if you want but, line of discussion is generally the same. So, don't feel bad. Pick up and move on if you get kicked. Maybe in a month or so, the same set of people will send invites to you to play with them if you do well in other teams.
And so far as enjoyment goes, unless you have a set of friends who do the same thing as you do, you won't enjoy much. You will feel bad if I call you a dumbo after you make a mistake but, if a friend says, you will shrug it off quickly. To make your experience better, try to mix things up. Play everything. But, play more what you like the most. :laugh:
mmorpg man
12-11-2007, 17:25
well said, vela. I hope all new players see that last post over everything else in this thread.
And so far as enjoyment goes, unless you have a set of friends who do the same thing as you do, you won't enjoy much. You will feel bad if I call you a dumbo after you make a mistake but, if a friend says, you will shrug it off quickly. To make your experience better, try to mix things up. Play everything. But, play more what you like the most. :laugh:
Actually pointing out mistakes is a good thing because then you know what you need to improve on. But then you would need someone in a group that would know the mistakes to point out to you. I've pretty much given up hope of ever getting my foot in the door. :cry:
Trinity Fire Angel
13-11-2007, 00:22
"Dude, you overextended way too much and mez did not get the DF and we went thru the choke..
ummm... sorry... DF?
i think i understand choke as being a choke point.
edit: showing noobness here. thinks to himself that he needs to take lessons to denoobify himself
Ranger Nietzsche
13-11-2007, 00:24
DF = deep freeze
which if you ball up in a choke point will quickly result in your death.
Unless the mesmer manages to interrupt a 3 second cast, which even my cat could do.
Trinity Fire Angel
13-11-2007, 00:28
after playing for so long... do you guys now recognise and watch the skill animations now to see what is happening? and work that way?
after playing for so long... do you guys now recognise and watch the skill animations now to see what is happening? and work that way?
I personally do not watch for animations, but I keep the music off and sound up. I can hear an incoming Diversion and a quick look at the party bar to off it. Tabbing through the opposing team is probably the best way to see what's going on.
As far as skill animations, something like a Savannah Heat or Ward is hard not to see.
mmorpg man
13-11-2007, 08:12
DF = deep freeze
which if you ball up in a choke point will quickly result in your death.
Unless the mesmer manages to interrupt a 3 second cast, which even my cat could do.
that's if u have a mesmer on your team which most groups don't (stupid gimmicks).
I personally do not watch for animations, but I keep the music off and sound up. I can hear an incoming Diversion and a quick look at the party bar to off it. Tabbing through the opposing team is probably the best way to see what's going on.
As far as skill animations, something like a Savannah Heat or Ward is hard not to see.
this is where vent or TS comes in handy. If say I'm sitting on the enemy fire ele and they use glyph of sacrifice I know that their next spell will be something powerful with a long cast time (e.g. meteor shower, etc) which I won't be able to stop so I warn the team of what might happen.
Unless the mesmer manages to interrupt a 3 second cast, which even my cat could do.
Most times it will be less than that. Fire the snare who does not use a 4040 set. And at times mesmers get lag. Many things can happen. At any rate, what important is that you continue regardless of success or failure.
By the way, is your cat as cute as mine? :grin:
Ranger Nietzsche
13-11-2007, 15:07
2 of them
not the third
/sigh If you're going to give advice please let it be original.
So its now only good advice if its original??
The use of friends on your friendslist is THE most important and effective advice there is....for your problem.
Its not original in this thread because so many XP ppl have said the same.
It appears to me that..no matter what advice/assistance is offered...Some ppl will always react like the last poor boy picked out to join a team.
Your the team captain, its your call who plays on your team...so do you pick your mate (you already know his ability to play said game)...or the spotty thin kid (that whinges on forums that he "cant get a team").
The least qualified in the eyes of the Team Leader may not get a spot...thats life. Your main objective (explained in slightly better terms elsewhwere in this thread) is to climb out of the Nr9-untested/unknown/unwanted slot...and up into at least the Nr8-known slot...this is best achieved through the use of a friendly guild or yours/others FL
If you become the team leader...you get to choose who makes the 8th slot...
So you decide to build a team (after Obs mode/wikiing the build) and that last monks slot needs to be filled...unknown R0 or that R5 bloke you ran with the other night?
mmorpg man
14-11-2007, 18:48
I believe in equal oppotunities for all players whether I know them or not, whether they are r0 or r15. and also from my experience, the spotty thin kid usually is more willing to try new things than someone who has played the set build a million times before.
So its now only good advice if its original??
I didn't say that the only good advice is if its original, I said that repeating the same piece of advice everyone else has said isn't very helpful to the newer player.
Trinity Fire Angel
14-11-2007, 23:10
I personally do not watch for animations, but I keep the music off and sound up. I can hear an incoming Diversion and a quick look at the party bar to off it. Tabbing through the opposing team is probably the best way to see what's going on.
As far as skill animations, something like a Savannah Heat or Ward is hard not to see.
lol/.... yeah i know what they look like. i was talking about the casting animation.... i was watching the ice golems the other day and it is a little hard to tell the difference between Deep Freeze and Ice Spikes from a distance. I need to play more ice ele stuff to get to know them. Similar to this is the Meteor and MS animations are basically the same.
i am yet to learn the sounds of all the different types of spells. their are some that are noticeable and some that are downright annoying (Paragon. GFTE i think it is or Anthem of Flame... can;t remember which).
and also from my experience, the spotty thin kid usually is more willing to try new things than someone who has played the set build a million times before.
But..the spotty thin kid isnt the one putting the team/build together...I dont care if he is willing to try Otyughs Cry on his monk...i want the guy that has "played the set build a million times before" and doesnt argue that his pve Char is ok...that he knows when to run and when to snare...
If YOU are putting the team together and you pick spotty thin kid over me...then GL+HF. I cant argue with you..its your call.
Im just saying...no-one...and i mean no-one at all:
Will opt for the R0 unknown...over an R3/R5/R9 known player.
You can try and talk the rest of the team into taking the R0 unknown...but i bet you and R0unknown are the only 2 in the team shortly after..
Every team...wants to attract the best possible players it can get...in order to give itself every oppertunity of winning...rank (complimented with the info you have gained building your FL) help you decide who to fill the slots with.
I will run with an unranked in the team...for fun.
I wont if i want to win tho.
mmorpg man
15-11-2007, 18:00
thats of course ur downfall. I always run unranked teams because they actually listen to what I say unlike the rank "elite" players. and I doubt if me and the spotting kid will be the only ones left in the team as most people in my teams are unknown r0 players. and btw, we do win most of the time because people haven't learnt how to counter ice shackles and SH with a sway build.
Every team...wants to attract the best possible players it can get...in order to give itself every oppertunity of winning...rank (complimented with the info you have gained building your FL) help you decide who to fill the slots with.
I will run with an unranked in the team...for fun.
I wont if i want to win tho.
And i will ask again since no one seems to have a good answer, how in the HELL can an unexperienced person get any sort of help from an experienced person if the experienced people wont give the unexperienced the time of day. Let alone get put on someones FL. And please don't give me the "join a HA guild" bit. I shouldn't have to leave my guild just to get a little help and besides the majority of HA guilds i see recruiting ask for R3+ so that is of NO help to me. And wether you want to believe it or not it was a HELLVA lot easier to get a group 2 years ago than it is today. And yes I have joined unexperienced groups and guess what? Only thing i learned was how to get rolled over in a few seconds and get the "pve noobs got farmed" comments flying all over the place. IF you can even find an unexperienced group cause majority of unexperienced people do not even try cause its a lost cause to even try to get any help what so ever. Better yet, I've heard the advice to start going to RA and TA to get experience so i do that too. THEN to turn around and people say thats not good enough experience, that everything is so different in HA.
Ya know what, just forget it. All i asked for was a little help and kinda "show the ropes" per say and that still doesn't help at all. I've watched obs mode , I run in RA and TA (ta not so much) for almost a year and and where has that got me? No where! But thanks for the advice none the less. Now i guess I'll keep on with my "noob pve" But i would like to thank people that did try to give some advice altho it was still no help to me but maybe the people that do know other experienced people might get some use out of it. But since i don't know anyone ingame I'm just **** out of luck.
Ranger Nietzsche
15-11-2007, 19:24
And please don't give me the "join a HA guild" bit. I shouldn't have to leave my guild just to get a little help
and that is why Guild systems are stupid and need to be purged from all MMORPGs forever. Or allow you to be in more than one guild at a time (similar to linkshells in FFXI)
Trinity Fire Angel
15-11-2007, 23:45
if you are unranked like me... there are lots and lots of people who are also unranked looking for teams. you know how to not lose in the first 2 mins of the game???? run 3 monks and a N/Rt, paragon, a warder, fire ele and a Sin. yes. your killing power will be low, but your defence will be high and you will last a lot longer so that you start getting your experience. call it what you will, i would prefer to last 20mins in a game and have the sway/lego team quit than to run a gimmik build that will get you fast fame. the fast fame method might get you into r3/r4+ teams but you will totally suck cause you only know how to play RaO thumper or blood spike which will probably not get you thru to HoH. .... or am i wrong?
edit: i dunno. i think i learned more in that 20min game than i did in 5 games of gimmick builds. all you learn how to do otherwise is kill zaishens and die in <1min to that over powered balanced team run by r9's. i think at least we stood up well against an r3 team.. yes they flashed their bambis and then rage quit after 20mins when we had +10 moral, + ghost and they were all had been killed at least 2 or 3 times.
Ugly Betty
16-11-2007, 01:21
this thread needs to be closed. there is a reason for rank and a reason why ppl who are unranked do not get on good teams. and it's all been discussed before.
Citan Uzuki
16-11-2007, 02:12
thats of course ur downfall. I always run unranked teams because they actually listen to what I say unlike the rank "elite" players.
Maybe it's because these high ranked players KNOW what they're doing? If you played in a top 50 GvG guild, would you listen to the advice of someone from a N/A guild with low rating?
mmorpg man
16-11-2007, 13:33
Maybe it's because these high ranked players KNOW what they're doing? If you played in a top 50 GvG guild, would you listen to the advice of someone from a N/A guild with low rating?
but you see thats the point. some high ranked players can maybe do a gimmick like sway but don't know jack when it comes to balanced builds. I mean, come on, I've played with a r5 thumper that didn't know what a standard cripshot build is.
if you are unranked like me... there are lots and lots of people who are also unranked looking for teams. you know how to not lose in the first 2 mins of the game???? run 3 monks and a N/Rt, paragon, a warder, fire ele and a Sin. yes. your killing power will be low, but your defence will be high and you will last a lot longer so that you start getting your experience. call it what you will, i would prefer to last 20mins in a game and have the sway/lego team quit than to run a gimmik build that will get you fast fame. the fast fame method might get you into r3/r4+ teams but you will totally suck cause you only know how to play RaO thumper or blood spike which will probably not get you thru to HoH. .... or am i wrong?
no, your absolutely right. my advice to you is continue to fight the temptation of a few fame using gimmicks and carry on playing your own builds. developing your own builds a good as it teaches you to think about a situation and change to build to counter that situation. this also teaches you to be versatile and adapt to certain circumstances. good job and keep it up.
Ugly Betty
16-11-2007, 19:05
no, your absolutely right. my advice to you is continue to fight the temptation of a few fame using gimmicks and carry on playing your own builds. developing your own builds a good as it teaches you to think about a situation and change to build to counter that situation. this also teaches you to be versatile and adapt to certain circumstances. good job and keep it up.
what you say is true but unrealistic and impractical in the current meta in HA. unless you are totally committed, have a lot of patience, and can deal with not having decent rank for a period of time.
Um, excuse me if I'm wrong but, wouldn't it be better to start out to actually learn than to run a gimmic build and gain rank and know nothin when you get a decent rank? What I gather from what you say is to run a gimmic build get some rank then start actually learning something. Personally I would rather take my time and learn something then to run a gimmic to get rank and look like a pure dumbass in a ranked group.
Ugly Betty
16-11-2007, 20:16
Um, excuse me if I'm wrong but, wouldn't it be better to start out to actually learn than to run a gimmic build and gain rank and know nothin when you get a decent rank? What I gather from what you say is to run a gimmic build get some rank then start actually learning something. Personally I would rather take my time and learn something then to run a gimmic to get rank and look like a pure dumbass in a ranked group.
yes it would be better but there are far too many ppl who come into HA and don't know how to kite, or get out of the AoE, or body block, or... you get the picture? it's easier to start with a gimmick build, pick up the basics, and then learn to build up your own team. better that way then to look like a dumbass while trying to lead a group. who knows you might pick up enough fame running a gimmick build and end up on a team that can further your education.
mmorpg man
16-11-2007, 21:32
what you say is true but unrealistic and impractical in the current meta in HA. unless you are totally committed, have a lot of patience, and can deal with not having decent rank for a period of time.
its a good thing that I do have a lot of patience and don't give a **** about rank.
yes it would be better but there are far too many ppl who come into HA and don't know how to kite, or get out of the AoE, or body block, or... you get the picture? it's easier to start with a gimmick build, pick up the basics, and then learn to build up your own team. better that way then to look like a dumbass while trying to lead a group. who knows you might pick up enough fame running a gimmick build and end up on a team that can further your education.
lol, i doubt it. any sigh of "noobness" and its an immediate kick.
Arcane Guardian
17-11-2007, 03:08
I went the hard way and read all the posts in this thread just because it caught my eye.
A few things:
1. I am a devoted PvE player in what is a mostly PvE guild now. My PvP experience is neglible. I had some bad luck with guilds before, so believe it or not, I had participated in 5 guild battles if that much. And whatever PvP i tried since then(read arenas) was funny for a while(some players really surprise me with what they can come up with:grin: ) and then it became boring. Just mindless deathmatches for no purpose and often uncoordinated teams in TA.
Question a lot of you are probably asking now is: Why is he posting here if he doesnt care about PvP?
Answer: I wanted to post my opinion about OP's idea. Which brings me to...
2. HA is something different. I have never been there, but it seems to have a bit special atmosphere. The maps are linked and you have a goal to reach.(getting to the halls and holding it, fame and rank is of no interest to me). I would like to reach that goal at least once, simply because I never did it before. Its not on my top priority list though.
Its highly uncertain if I do decide to work towards that as singlemindedly as towards my PvE goals, but OP's idea has my support. A friendlier approach would only help the GW community in general. I act accordingly in PvE as well, (having 26 maxed titles doesnt mean I will not help a new player)
From what I have read here, I liked Vela's posts very much.
At any rate, this is all I say to any player who approaches me for a group in HA.... even if I want you in a group others will rage as they don't want to play with inexperienced folks. So, when I lead a group, I pick up a few newish folks I know as I know they listen much better than some of the 1337s I know.
A new player approached me for help the other nite. I could not help that person by taking him/her in my team. But gave some suggestions. Two weeks after I got a PM from that person thanking me as he/she got to r3. I asked why. This person said, I gave hope. I don't know for sure what I gave, but, I do know that 100% of the credit goes to that person for trying to make it and for eventually making it.
Goodluck to all of you for trying and making it there. Stay away from swearing, cursing and other stupid things most people do. Concentrate on having fun the right way. If cursing and doing stupid things give you extreme pleasure, do that elsewhere. Don't cheat, don't scam, play the game for fun and be successful in real life.
A fine example of a friendly PvP player.:thumbsup: You indeed gave hope. I understand how that guy must have felt. If you are willing, there is always a way to help.
Accepting unranked player from time to time cant be that bad, and if not, then some suggestions will help too. At least to a player who is willing to put some effort into it.
3. MMORPG Man, if that group of yours is still active and has not given up( I hope not), then feel free to contact me ingame or via a forum PM if you want to. The goals that are still left to be accomplished in PvE are all very longterm, so I wouldnt mind joining you. Probably not on regular basis though and I will not leave my guild. Its up to you if you want me.
IGN: Arcane Guardian Svk
P.S: I am immune to flaming and bashing, but feel free to flame me if you so desire.
mmorpg man
17-11-2007, 11:14
3. MMORPG Man, if that group of yours is still active and has not given up( I hope not), then feel free to contact me ingame or via a forum PM if you want to. The goals that are still left to be accomplished in PvE are all very longterm, so I wouldnt mind joining you. Probably not on regular basis though and I will not leave my guild. Its up to you if you want me.
its not really a group as such. I'm more of a freelancer offering aid and making unranked balanced teams in HA. I do have a few friends that help if I need them of course but mainly its just me. but you're free to join me if you want to or ask me any questions you have (however stupid they may seem). As for vela, she(/he) is a great example of the model PvP player and I'm grateful to her (along with all the other supporters) for her support of my ideas and aims.
Trinity Fire Angel
18-11-2007, 22:47
speaking of unranked balanced teams in HA again.... this weekend saw my most recent PUG group consistently win the first round and totally suck in the second round. we were winning the first round 50% of the time. once we got through to the 3rd round. woot for PUGs. one interesting thing was that no one left....
mmorpg man
18-11-2007, 23:09
speaking of unranked balanced teams in HA again.... this weekend saw my most recent PUG group consistently win the first round and totally suck in the second round. we were winning the first round 50% of the time. once we got through to the 3rd round. woot for PUGs. one interesting thing was that no one left....
can u remember the name of the group leader or any of the people in it?
Trinity Fire Angel
18-11-2007, 23:17
1st bit is easy. that was me. playing monk :)
2nd bit not so easy.... i had been drinking earlier in the night so i was a little drunk. i only know that my friend Samara was in my team. lol. we had too many Ele's as well.
raspberry jam
19-11-2007, 01:39
but you see thats the point. some high ranked players can maybe do a gimmick like sway but don't know jack when it comes to balanced builds. I mean, come on, I've played with a r5 thumper that didn't know what a standard cripshot build is.Rank 5 isn't high rank
mmorpg man
19-11-2007, 08:06
Rank 5 isn't high rank
my point is that even r5's consider themselves elite compared to unrankers.
Ugly Betty
19-11-2007, 19:16
my point is that even r5's consider themselves elite compared to unrankers.
not all of them. however, the fact is that a decent rank will allow you to get into more groups - good and bad. after that you'll have to prove yourself.
we all know people who can't drive that have a driver's license. rank is kinda sorta like that. it's a license to get into decent groups. but it doesn't mean you can drive.
mmorpg man
19-11-2007, 22:07
we all know people who can't drive that have a driver's license. rank is kinda sorta like that. it's a license to get into decent groups. but it doesn't mean you can drive.
maybe if rank was specific to 1 character then you could compare it to a driving license but I know thats never going to happen.
you're still arguing semantics.
The fact is you needed HA groups, so you found a new guild. People have ALWAYS used this method. Its not a new idea, its not a new concept.
And the fact is many players DON'T want to leave their guilds just to play HA, and thus asking people to join your guild for HA groups in a guild that doesn't care about rank doesn't solve the problem that you perceive.
New HA players who are willing to find an HA guild don't need help, by realizing they need a pvp guild they are helping themselves.
I was reading through when I found this post.
I'm currently in the OP's position - I have 160 fame, and so I can't get into groups. I've also tried for about two weeks now to get into a new or semi-decent unranked HA guild, to no avail.
It's not as easy as it sounds.
Ugly Betty
07-01-2008, 22:35
I was reading through when I found this post.
I'm currently in the OP's position - I have 160 fame, and so I can't get into groups. I've also tried for about two weeks now to get into a new or semi-decent unranked HA guild, to no avail.
It's not as easy as it sounds.
interesting. this past double fame weekend our team let in 2 players who had less than 200 fame. this is on an r5+ team running zergway. they played well and both got their bambi's.
although it is not the norm there are teams who will allow a lower-ranked player. but that player must prove himself valuable to the team. otherwise - KICK!!!
Protector of Pre
08-01-2008, 11:06
Heh... I wish more people had this sort of attitude as well.
Now I know I could just roll a PvP character and use Balth for skill unlocks, equipment unlocks, etc - but I decided to stick on my PvE for now. I will eventually finish setting up my PvP monk so that I can do things more efficiently (not having to waste time buying tomes and not wasting PvE cash on bars that I'll use strictly as PvP).
It does suck though, because I had been thinking of making my way to HA for some time and once the double fame weekend popped up, I was all about it. Spent a bit of time in RA unlocking TA and after a while made it to HA. I was happy until I realized just how arrogant people were in this section of the game. The whole chat is constantly laced with elitism, so to speak.
It sucks spending a bunch of cash on things like tomes and a staff or two that I felt was more efficient, to only be able to get into randomway parties.
Yes, as I already said, I could of made a PvP character blah blah blah so it's my own fault and I know this, so dont bother flaming me.
Total faction between sunday and today : 7 -_-
I have a bunch of bars, some of which I assembled, some that were given to me by a more experienced player and (yes, flame away) a cookie cutter RC, just because I didnt know the basic layout for it. That one I modded now anyway. Currently able to run WoH, RC, HB and ZB once I get a skill or two.
But who knows... I'm about to say screw it, take my ounce of fame (:P) and get the hell out of dodge, simply because I can't stand arrogant elitist pigs.
mmorpg man
08-01-2008, 15:23
Heh... I wish more people had this sort of attitude as well.
Now I know I could just roll a PvP character and use Balth for skill unlocks, equipment unlocks, etc - but I decided to stick on my PvE for now. I will eventually finish setting up my PvP monk so that I can do things more efficiently (not having to waste time buying tomes and not wasting PvE cash on bars that I'll use strictly as PvP).
It does suck though, because I had been thinking of making my way to HA for some time and once the double fame weekend popped up, I was all about it. Spent a bit of time in RA unlocking TA and after a while made it to HA. I was happy until I realized just how arrogant people were in this section of the game. The whole chat is constantly laced with elitism, so to speak.
It sucks spending a bunch of cash on things like tomes and a staff or two that I felt was more efficient, to only be able to get into randomway parties.
Yes, as I already said, I could of made a PvP character blah blah blah so it's my own fault and I know this, so dont bother flaming me.
Total faction between sunday and today : 7 -_-
I have a bunch of bars, some of which I assembled, some that were given to me by a more experienced player and (yes, flame away) a cookie cutter RC, just because I didnt know the basic layout for it. That one I modded now anyway. Currently able to run WoH, RC, HB and ZB once I get a skill or two.
But who knows... I'm about to say screw it, take my ounce of fame (:P) and get the hell out of dodge, simply because I can't stand arrogant elitist pigs.
just to save the trouble of having to read through all the next posts from all the ranked players I'll just give you their only piece of advice right now. "get in groups and anyone you see who is any good, put on your friendlist so you can make groups with them. in time you will have lots of friends that can help you get higher ranks with."
personally I think that most of the "good" players on these forums speak total bull**** (with the exception of a few, vela included) so there isn't much point in posting here asking for advice. if you're interested I do lots of organised unranked groups in HA so drop me a PM if you want to. that goes for anyone else as well. I will be welcome to accept anyone as long as they will listen to me and are willing to learn.
IGN Mid night illusion
My HA f-list has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk last year. I tried to help a few folks w/ groups in HA last few months who approached me from this forum. Some I could help, some I could not. I wish I could help you all who are trying to get their bambis, wolves or tigers. Its just a matter of a few PMs and asking for a few favors if people I know are online. And, I will continue to do so. Unfortunately, I just don't have the enthusiasm of zoning to HA and playing thru the crap anymore.
But who knows... I'm about to say screw it, take my ounce of fame (:P) and get the hell out of dodge, simply because I can't stand arrogant elitist pigs.
If you want your emote, you will have to endure arrogant elitist pigs. It's unfortunate and is probably one of the biggest reasons for PvP becoming so unpopular in GW. Most of the people who have family and deal with teenagers in r/l probably don't want to deal with another who they, unfortunately, can't ground over vent or ts. :grin:
But, I look at it from the perspective of a goal completion..like navy bootcamp. You can't be a seal w/o taking **** from master sergeant. Think of it as a part of the game. And think "arrogant elitist pigs" are charrs. :) and have fun in your own way. Shrug it off and move on. Once you got what you needed, put them on your ignore list and do what you want to do.
:laugh:
raspberry jam
08-01-2008, 17:40
r5+ team running zergway:laughing:
I came upon the most stupid form of rank discrimination this weekend.
I play PvP casually and do enjoy a bit of hero's ascent every now and then. I was playing an expel rit in a heroway setup. I am not highly ranked being rank 2 with about 20 or so fame to rank 3.
While I was playing with my first team we did Ok getting to the 4th round about 3 times during our run. We all enjoyed ourselves and we added each other to friends list etc.
Later in the day I decided to do some more HA and one of the guys I was playing with earlier was looking for an expel rit. I joined the group and he asked me my rank. I told him it was 2(they were looking for rank 3+) but that I had played with him earlier and we had done OK. I was kicked.
Does that not seem ridiculous to you?
I can understand why high ranked players like to play with similar. If nothing else it proves you have experience and the chances are you are not going to be wasting your time with stupid mistakes.
However kicking someone who has proved themselves to be at least competent because they are not rank 3 is just plain stupid!
rant over :rolleyes:
grimwold
08-01-2008, 19:02
Some low ranked people are nice, some are idiots.
Some high ranked people are nice, some are idiots.
Nice to see this different perspective, all we normally ever see is how evil high ranked players are stopping low ranks getting anywhere.
Some of the biggest flames in the game come from low ranked heroway / iway beating higher ranked teams / decent ranked guilds.
Low ranked people are bigger flamers than higher one ones by a very long shot. Still wonder why most are unmotivated to help new people ?
interesting. this past double fame weekend our team let in 2 players who had less than 200 fame. this is on an r5+ team running zergway. they played well and both got their bambi's.
although it is not the norm there are teams who will allow a lower-ranked player. but that player must prove himself valuable to the team. otherwise - KICK!!!
Not to demean zergway or you ugly Betty but, I, honestly, found it funny when an r5 zergway team needs people to prove themselves.
Joke1:
Q:How do you prove yourself valuable to r5 zergway?
A: Read Joke 2.
Joke2:
r5 elite Zerg -- Can you dchop pdrain?
Noobie -- No.
r5 elite Zerg -- And you want to play with r5s? ~~KICK~~
Joke 3: (happened w/ me during last double fame weekend)
I was doing some housekeeping on my account and ended up logging into HA with my one of my Ele characters as she was auto teleported to HA instead of guild hall while entering game. Anyhow, as my business was with Xunlai chest, I decided to finish it there. Just for fun I did this:
Me: GLF 2 r10 Ursans to clear UW. Gogogoggogogogogo!!!!!!1
PM1: <lol>
PM2: Can I join?
Me: Sure.
New Person (A Para): SoP or SoR?
Ugly Betty
08-01-2008, 21:42
Not to demean zergway or you ugly Betty but, I, honestly, found it funny when an r5 zergway team needs people to prove themselves.
Joke1:
Q:How do you prove yourself valuable to r5 zergway?
A: Read Joke 2.
funny how certain zergway teams make it all the way to halls numerous times while others just sit there pissing. i never said zergway was the uber build of HA but properly run it call roll most other teams. i can count on one hand the number of excellent paras i've played with. i can do the same for a charge or ss. it's not all mindless as you suggest. ask the rank 300 guilds we dumped during the weekend. btw i said r5+.
........ it's not all mindless as you suggest. ask the rank 300 guilds we dumped during the weekend. btw i said r5+.
I am not suggesting anything..just amusing myself. I know its not all mindless but, its sure as hell one pug friendly build that does not require much coordination. And also, guild rank has almost nothing to do w/ its capabilities in HA. r5+ is what 600ish more fame than 0?
Ugly Betty
09-01-2008, 01:44
I am not suggesting anything..just amusing myself. I know its not all mindless but, its sure as hell one pug friendly build that does not require much coordination. And also, guild rank has almost nothing to do w/ its capabilities in HA. r5+ is what 600ish more fame than 0?
i won't argue that zerg is a very friendly build or that it doesn't take a particularly high iq to play but for what it does using basic skills it is IMO pretty damn good especially when played well.
i would argue that higher ranked guilds running decent builds are tougher than the normal "whatever-way" builds running around HA. but that's just me.
finally, i'll be more specific about the term r5+. for our group it means the lowest ranked player on the team. since most of us are 6 and above that means 1,000 fame more than 0. not uber but certainly not chopped liver.
Protector of Pre
09-01-2008, 03:05
If you want your emote, you will have to endure arrogant elitist pigs. It's unfortunate and is probably one of the biggest reasons for PvP becoming so unpopular in GW. Most of the people who have family and deal with teenagers in r/l probably don't want to deal with another who they, unfortunately, can't ground over vent or ts. :grin:
But, I look at it from the perspective of a goal completion..like navy bootcamp. You can't be a seal w/o taking **** from master sergeant. Think of it as a part of the game. And think "arrogant elitist pigs" are charrs. :) and have fun in your own way. Shrug it off and move on. Once you got what you needed, put them on your ignore list and do what you want to do.
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Lol @ the charr comment.
I get stuff like that sometimes because of my alias on here, and I think sometimes people think I'm unexperienced outside of "pre" (not refering to you btw). That just happened to be a main character I had at the time, which is soon going to be LDoA along with me level 16 pre monk Il Divine Legend Il.
Anyway, back on subject. The thing is, I don't just want the emote. I want to gain experience/knowledge outside of AB. I realize how much of a joke that can be after making my way from RA-TA-HA lol. The emote is just a bonus I suppose. But I guess you're right as far as having to deal with the elitism and such.
And to mmorpgman, I'll be sure to try to find you to see if we can get something going.
People suggested in-game of trying to run with the IWAY/Zergway, etc but I'm not really into the whole gimmick build gig. The again, as they say, "beggars can't be choosers". Meaning I might as well build up my intial rank or two however I can to get me started.
We'll see I guess :rolleyes:
............ People suggested in-game of trying to run with the IWAY/Zergway, etc but I'm not really into the whole gimmick build gig. The again, as they say, "beggars can't be choosers". Meaning I might as well build up my intial rank or two however I can to get me started.
Many ways to climb a mountain but, the view remains always the same. What pleases ur heart is the most important thing not what people might say. And for initial ranks pug friendly builds are the best as you can get into quick groups and can get an f-list going. When you get to a point where there is a large chunk of fame needed from jumping one rank to another, these gimmick builds won't help you these days probably and, most definitely, you'll get bored of them.
Ugly Betty - My Apologies. You took my silly jokes to heart. :cloud9:
Xero Silentium
09-01-2008, 14:34
Im r9/ch2, will run for any low- and or unranked players as long as the build is not a -way.
prefer monk, can do all; ign: Xero Intervention
mmorpg man
09-01-2008, 18:37
this is one of the things I don't get in HA. sure zergway is a PUG-friendly build for unranked players to start off with. but what's wrong with the other builds. what if I wanted to run balanced, ranger spike, paraspike, sh spike, hexway, etc. many times I have announed that I'm making a balanced HA group in alliance or guild chat only to have people say "it won't work". why is there this block about unranked balanced or spike teams?
Ugly Betty
09-01-2008, 19:01
Ugly Betty - My Apologies. You took my silly jokes to heart. :cloud9:
:smiley: nah. it's just that sometimes the "elitest" remark makes us average folk a bit upset. my teamates have no problem accepting a lower rank or even a rankless player. what we won't accept is some moron who for whatever reason won't take direction. seriously, how hard is it to lock your pet on the hero?
this is one of the things I don't get in HA. sure zergway is a PUG-friendly build for unranked players to start off with. but what's wrong with the other builds. what if I wanted to run balanced, ranger spike, paraspike, sh spike, hexway, etc. many times I have announed that I'm making a balanced HA group in alliance or guild chat only to have people say "it won't work". why is there this block about unranked balanced or spike teams?
i'm guessing that it's because PUG balanced teams are harder to coordinate. zergway is popular because it doesn't take a lot of direction to be decent. most zergways who go 1 or 2 maps deep don't even use vent. a spike team needs to be coordinated. you gotta have a good caller, a tactics person and of course vent.
zergway is a gimmick - no doubt. but passing the ball continually to Shaq is also a gimmick. if you got a cannon, you fire it. no?
GunGirlYuna
17-07-2008, 22:16
I was in a HA group once, right after I unlocked it ><, my team arena group which was PUG suggested it. So we did it and some r3 people were in it and we fought agains a guild full of Necromancers, everybody just kept shouting things like dam and rude words, they didnt even try. I myself managed to kill one necro, the others didnt even try, they were like sitting ducks, I think I was ignored by the guild though as they ran towards the ghostly hero and then proceeded to eliminate me.
But this at least proves that not all ranked players are really experienced, sometimes freshman are better.
This is just a point, I am also personally interested in HA but because I live in Australia and I have no rank it is really hard for me to find a group.
I personally believe that some of the HA ranked people are kind though, if they all were not and all just wanted to so-called 'pawn noobs' nobody new would be able to proceed through the ranks, I would never leave my guild just for the purpose of PVP. Who says a guild cant be all-purpose? If it wasn't for my current guild I might not have made it through team arenas.
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