[Spoilers] will she be around in GW2

[QtheMuse]

So when Guild Wars 2 comes out will they have a temple and shrine dedicated to her? She has been around long enough to be established in the game so I hope she will be.

I haven't noticed anyone else worshipping her yet in Eye of the North though so maybe no one knows yet?

Also since she is a new Goddess and it says the gods have withdrawn from the world in GW 2 do you think she will be the most predominant ones. I mean new gods usually like to hang out among mortals when they are new.

[Karuro]

I think she will. References already pop up during the Asuran Cipher quests. and the Emperor talked about her during the last Dragon Festival.
And it's "Kormir" ;)

[Elex Aio]

I sure hope so.

[MilitiaMan]

hey now, lets not turn this into a fight.

I think she will be around, and may help in some missions, or quests, or whatever we will go through in GW2.

[Quintus Antonius]

I corrected the spelling in the title of the thread.

Also, I'd imagine Kormir will be around in GW2 as all the references to GW2 are dated from her ascendence.

[QtheMuse]

I was being playful but thank you for correcting it :)

[Gmr Leon]

I don't think Kormir will be extremely predominant in the lives of Tyrians, the Five Gods sort of handed over dominion of Tyria to her. A few centuries later, and there's no sign whatsoever of her actually making any major differences. The Dragons awaken, many are killed, and she does...nothing from what we've heard. The humans in Ebonheart Citadel still fighting the Charr seem to be getting no assistance whatsoever from our new Goddess.

She may become more predominant once we start playing GW2 or later during the game, but right now there are no major signs saying she is.

[Jair of the Forest]

I don't think Kormir will be extremely predominant in the lives of Tyrians, the Five Gods sort of handed over dominion of Tyria to her. A few centuries later, and there's no sign whatsoever of her actually making any major differences. The Dragons awaken, many are killed, and she does...nothing from what we've heard. The humans in Ebonheart Citadel still fighting the Charr seem to be getting no assistance whatsoever from our new Goddess.

She may become more predominant once we start playing GW2 or later during the game, but right now there are no major signs saying she is.

Ebonhawke*:tongue:

I hope Kormir manages to retake the RoT from all the demons living there at the moment and that she'll turn it into the RoB,SnH [Realm of Butterflies, Sunshine and Happiness].

[kburt]

Ebonhawke*:tongue:

I hope Kormir manages to retake the RoT from all the demons living there at the moment and that she'll turn it into the RoB,SnH [Realm of Butterflies, Sunshine and Happiness].

Probably more like Realm of Truth, still RoT....:shocked:

[Feannag]

Ebonhawke*:tongue:

I hope Kormir manages to retake the RoT from all the demons living there at the moment and that she'll turn it into the RoB,SnH [Realm of Butterflies, Sunshine and Happiness].

Or she went insane from suddenly becoming a god, in which case the RoT is still the Realm of Torment. It would also explain why she doesn't seem to have been much help.

[Fira]

Well from PC gamer article, it mentions how the Sunspears got pwned or turned evil. I'm guessing from there worshipers of Kormir went downhill...I wouldn't be surprised if the order of whispers survived because they still worship Kormir and the other Gods.

[Shinigami God]

It's odd, I thought she'd have a more direct impact in EotN. Unfortunately, her only "appearance" is in the cipher quests. Seems like Anet kinda forgot about the Gods in this expansion.

[Harjubal od Uo]

Seems like Anet kinda forgot about the Gods in this expansion.

Or that they were afraid. It's said that the dragons, from whom spawned the destroyers, rival the gods in power. If so, then the gods may have abstained from fighting the destroyers for fear of somehow fully waking the dragons.

This then poses the question, however, why didn't the gods stop us from fighting the destroyers if they were that afraid of them? If it's true that they were unwilling to face the destroyers, perhaps there was a council of the gods and just enough (Dwayna, Kormir, maybe Lyssa) voted not to take any action at all that the gods were left in deadlock and just watched resignedly as we did everything that we ended up doing.

Kormir, theoretically, now knows more than any other being in existence. We can't know what knowledge she's privy to that might make helping us orders of magnitude worse than just sitting idle in the Mists.

[Orlandomir Zang]

and she does...nothing

I see nothing has changed then :tongue:

Still, i think she'll be around in GW2, but she'll do what the old gods do in Nightfall, tell us we have her 'Blessing' and get us to do all the dirty work (again)

[Zsig]

The power of a God generally comes from the people worshipping it/him/her, as the more people worshipping a God makes it greatly influential and such... on the other hand, the less people worshipping a God makes it less influential.

By the time of GW1 the human race was (at least as far as i could see) the most prevalent race throughout the world... meanwhile by the time of GW2 the human race suffered a great loss of it's people, losing ground to other races. Tyria's been smashed by the charr and the Dragons (consequently the tidal wave). On Elona, Palawa Joko rules and all should bow to him (is he utrning people into undead? Does undead worships anything but their masters?). Cantha on the other hand seems to still be mostly human, but we don't have news from that place a long time ago since communications got cut.

This could explain why the Gods are not that influential lately. And when it comes to Kormir, i think the only ppl who still remember her are the scattered crazy old Jed... i mean, Sunspears... who are still alive hidding.

[Erasculio]

I don't expect any of the gods to act that much. Like the gods said in NF, and Kormir repeats after becoming the Goddess of Truth: the world belongs to "us", not to the gods. I don't think any of them is going to act that much anymore (other than Balthazar opening a new rift to the Mists in LA). Even Kormir is likely going to fix the Realm of Torment and then goodbye mankind, IMO; none of the six is acting that much anymore.

Erasculio

[shadowhand]

The gods themselves probably don't act as divine forces anymore.

Like Lyssa's Avatar said, they live in the actions of mortals.

So, Kormir may _want_ to change the world but be unable to do so on her own. Or unwilling to, since using raw divine force might do more harm than good.

Or maybe she may only share her divine power with her worshippers. So, in order to get her aid, a person would have to have faith in her.

So, Joko could have been smart about it and killed off her most devout worshippers first. They may be the strongest, but if they're overwhelmed by numbers, they shouldn't last long.

As far as I can tell from the vague hints in EoTN, all the true gods will be present in GW2. Including Kormir.

I don't think we'll get their help for free, though. We might have to do something in return. Such as put all our trust in them - or be willing to pick up a sword ourselves if it's Balthazar's help that we want.

The gods do act, but only through the actions of mortals.

[Karn the Betrayer]

dude remember we know know fully what the game entails.. and you know ANET might change teh storyline

[shadowhand]

Of course. But it's not right to say that the gods don't do anything. They just have to act through mortals now.

[Nanashi]

I feel GW2 may try to do what EQ had done when it came to dieties and that is to make the gods actually have a purpose in your characters role when it comes to PVE. (IE: Iksars were created by Cazic Thule so thus Iksars worshipped Cazic and as a result they had special armor quests only fit to their race, weapons, and hated by all :) Faction wise. )

At least I hope so. I would like to see differeing quests based on A.) Your Class B.) Your Race and C. ) Your religious alignment.

In example a Human, Monk, who worships Kormir would do some different quests than a Human, Monk, who worships Balthazar. At least that's sort of the immersion I would like to see. Too many new MMOs make you all follow the same path as the one before you no matter what path you showed. So I would like to see some split paths while sharing some here and there. ^_^

[False Visage]

I'm not sure about the professions following different gods given that with the exception of the Dervish and Paragon to a lesser extent, the professions are the result of following a god already. Necromancers are necromancers because the follow Grenth, not because they think raising the dead might be a fun way to further the teachings of Dwayna.

[psionicflames]

I'm not sure about the professions following different gods given that with the exception of the Dervish and Paragon to a lesser extent, the professions are the result of following a god already. Necromancers are necromancers because the follow Grenth, not because they think raising the dead might be a fun way to further the teachings of Dwayna.

I dont know :P nothing like a big horde of seething undead flesh to get people to pray to Dwayna :P

But in all seriousness, thats where the secondary class comes into play (if they keep anything like that). But some have multiple gods for one class like monks with balthy and dwayna.

Not that i think they should do it, after all, guild wars has mostly been about being able to change on the fly, and if your god determined which armor you could wear, what quests you could take (and changing gods on the fly would be...wierd) that would just seem...meh...

However from an RP standpoint it would be nice to have a way to indicate our favored god.

[Warmarshal]

I hope she is she's awesome ^^

[Lais Irideika]

I think she definitely will be. In fact, there is no doubt in my mind that she will be. GW2 is hundreds of years in the future compared to GW1, and surely Kormir will be a well known and worshipped God by then.

[stoudacz]

i wonder if dervish will have Avatar of Kormir in GW2 :s

[Lais Irideika]

i wonder if dervish will have Avatar of Kormir in GW2 :s

That's if the dervish profession is even kept as part of the profession pool in GW2. Anet did say that some professions will not make the cut.

However, even if Dervish is kept around, I really do think that Paragon will not make it to GW2. That's the one profession I am almost certain of. Having avatar of Kormir would imply paragon buffers which won't exist anymore. Mind you, it's not impossible. It's not like you get paragon skills when you are in avatar form. You just get a buffer that is in line with the god you are embodying...

Would certainly be cool.

[FourthVariety]

With all other Gods withdrawing from the world (to avoid the return and a violent brush with the Dragons?) Kormir is certainly a good bet as the major goddess of GW2.

She liked to mess with things when she was a human, she absorbed Abaddon who was Mr. Defiant himself, so I bet that she will get involved when things get messy. And while Dhuum was replaced by Grenth, Abaddon could merely be chained, so his power seems to be quite strong.

We also know that the Order of Secrets is their main following and most direct link. We know the order will operate in the shadows during GW2. Ties in nicely with the whole god of secrets aspects.

Even if the people believe in all six gods equally and might not turn to Kormir as their first choice, I believe that Kormir will be the one to actually help the player. [From a design viewpoint, she is also a character with plenty of background with the playerbase, so she will create the most response. When did we ever fight together with any of the other five gods???]

[Gmr Leon]

I have to agree with FourthVariety on this along with Lais Irideika. For all we know the Tyrians may turn to monotheism and worship only Kormir. That entirely hinges on her actions though. For instance we saw her do absolutely nothing in Eye of the North to assist us although this may be due to the fact that it was an expansion.

An expansion that required only one of the other campaigns to be played. So probably to avoid confusion they didn't give her a major role and only mentioned her in a quest chain that many could look over.

So by GW2 they probably expect most people have played through most of the original chapters and/or expansion and it's a new game. New slate, new Gods, and new major characters. Therefore GW2 will probably see more intervention by Kormir's hand as she was practically given Tyria. This can be seen in the mission Gate of Madness when you encounter and converse with the avatars of the Gods.

[Djinn Effer]

I imagine she would be... She did become a goddess.

[Kalidri]

When did we ever fight together with any of the other five gods???]


In PVE one can go to their shrines in Factions and Nightfall and recieve blessings. In the underworld we help out Grenth, and in the Fissure we help out Balthazar. I feel that my character has plenty of connection to the five old gods. The Gods are not really allowed to help us directly, but they do help us. Whether their help is selfish is another thing.

I do tend to think that Kormir will be with us in GW2...at least I hope there is still a connection there.

[Nanashi]

I'm not sure about the professions following different gods given that with the exception of the Dervish and Paragon to a lesser extent, the professions are the result of following a god already. Necromancers are necromancers because the follow Grenth, not because they think raising the dead might be a fun way to further the teachings of Dwayna.

Gotta admit though, a necromancer following Dwayna or Melandru would be kind of funny... for Roleplay purposes.

[La Jaffa]

I Think that monks will follow her and some mesmers, and Dervishes and Paragorns 2.
She is truth..

[mocax]

All the gods exist in everyone now. All follow all gods. That's why you can switch professions on a whim :D
The great alchemy is in fusion.

Those who stuck to single gods are outdated and destined for recycling.

[Ariovist Lynxkind]

I can remember reading somewhere, I swear it was in The Movement of the World but I am not sure, that even 250 years on there is dispute as to the inclusion of Kormir in the True Gods.

Also, not all Sunspears turned evil, only some followed Joko and became the Mordant Cresent. Also stated is that they had spread across all three continents, so some may have been trapped in Tyria, and have maintained at least a small band, trying to recruit locals

[RioOnimaru]

One thing I’ve been thinking about though; If she where to be given the same worship as the other five gods do now, what kind of professions will come out of it? If each profession has a single god they follow (or multiple seeing as Elementalists and Dervishes never could pick one…), then what type of profession is going to be made to follow her?

[Akirai Annuvil]

If each profession has a single god they follow (or multiple seeing as Elementalists and Dervishes never could pick one…), then what type of profession is going to be made to follow her?
But even the current professions don't follow just one deity.
Monks follow Dwayna and Balthazar.
Elementalists follow all Gods.
Paragons follow Dwayna and Balthazar.
Assassins follow Grenth and Lyssa.
Dervishes follow all Gods.

[BrettM]

Why must there be a profession tied to Kormir? The tie between professions and gods has never been all that solid. Even monks have a choice of Dwayna (healing) or Balthazar (smiting), and it has never made any sense to me that there wouldn't be monastic orders of some type devoted to each of the other gods.

Even necromancers may have more choice than we think. Grenth is clearly not the only god who claims souls and the right to choose their disposition in the afterlife, as we find out in Battledepths and Tahnnakai Temple. Why could there not be undiscovered aspects of necromancy tied to the other gods?

There also seems to be a difference between rit spirits such as Pain (summoned from Grenth?) and Life (summoned from Dwayna?). As well, rits generally do lightning damage, associated with Dwayna.

[RioOnimaru]

:tongue: Sorry, this isn't my strong point when talking about Guild Wars lore, but still, there should at least be some professions that associate themselves with her. That's what I was trying to get at... :undecided:

[Karn the Betrayer]

Why must there be a profession tied to Kormir? The tie between professions and gods has never been all that solid. Even monks have a choice of Dwayna (healing) or Balthazar (smiting), and it has never made any sense to me that there wouldn't be monastic orders of some type devoted to each of the other gods.


dont forget Dervishes worship/associated to all gods hence their use of the avatar forms... plus in a way sorta they are like elementalists (dervs can use earth and wind attacks)