Superior on a Necro?

[Purity of the Raven]

I know the generally accepted concept for PvP is strictly no superiors, but does this apply to a MM in AB as well? Is the 75 health worth having an extra minion and those minions being level 18 instead of 16? (+1 from minor +1 from headpiece)

~Raven

[mmorpg man]

personally I think an mm is a waste of time but i think as an mm u need all the health u can get.

[Ryuujinx]

If you're going to run an MM anywhere, you bring a sup. If you get seen you'e gonna get bumrushed, the 75 health loss isn't much of a deal - you try to survive via dark bond, mystic regen and aotl.

But there was a decently long thread of why not to run an MM in the necro forum.

[Akirai Annuvil]

If you're going to run an MM anywhere, you bring a sup. If you get seen you'e gonna get bumrushed, the 75 health loss isn't much of a deal - you try to survive via dark bond, mystic regen and aotl.

But there was a decently long thread of why not to run an MM in the necro forum.

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=468620
Best thread ever (it helps that it was started by me, of course). In short MM's are bad, as they're easily countered (AI abuse, AoE, interrupts, enchant strip, specific counters), they have a very long build up time and they're incredibly immobile, while mobility is a major issue in ABs.

Oh but if I were running an MM I'd run a sup. It's the most effective way to suck.

[Purity of the Raven]

I counter your thread in one statement: People in AB are stupid, they don't bring Enchantment removal, and it's quite easy to have an entire opposing team bashing hopelessly on the MM while the other 11 cap.

[Akirai Annuvil]

I counter your thread in one statement: People in AB are stupid, they don't bring Enchantment removal, and it's quite easy to have an entire opposing team bashing hopelessly on the MM while the other 11 cap.

God that was a terrible argument.
Sure if you only want to be able to kill bad players, go ahead. If you want to be able to kill both good and bad players, don't run crap like MMs. If you choose to suck I won't stop you (unless you're Kurzick then I'll kill you. Which sort of counts as stopping).
Only an idiot claims a build is good, because it can kill idiots.

[Purity of the Raven]

Except, oh..I dont know...90% of ABers are idiots? I'll take disabling them as valid cause to run an MM.

EDIT: Let's say, on average, there will be two decent players in a match, one for each side, now, lets say that the decent players are perfectly equipped to deal with a MM.

What do they do with the 11 idiots on their team that will no doubt be trying to kill the MM, and dieng, giving the MMs team points? Sure, they can kill the MM, but with the amount of corpses being created by the idiots getting killed by the minions, the MM will have his army back up within a minute.

Let's say that the decent player doesn't choose to kill the MM, they've still got to deal with the other 11 members of the team, at least one of which will be 'decent'.

Assuming their is an MM on both teams, it basically turns into 'Which of the two decent players are better'

I'm aware that MM isn't the best of builds, but it can stop idiots, and why go to the effort of playing with skill, when you can click a few skills and go make lunch?

[mmorpg man]

if u want to "pwn" ppl in AB just run ss necro which does the job so much better and doesn't leave you open to the rare mesmer or necro with enchantment removal.

[Ace Bear]

Lol, yes please keep running MMs, but only if you are on the luxon side. I don't need anymore **** players on the kurzick side. P.s. Warriors can destroy MMs if they are even half competent.

[Ryuujinx]

I counter your thread in one statement: People in AB are stupid, they don't bring Enchantment removal, and it's quite easy to have an entire opposing team bashing hopelessly on the MM while the other 11 cap.

I already said that and realized why it was such a crappy argument in that same thread, maybe you should try rereading it?

[David Holtzman]

I counter your thread in one statement: People in AB are stupid, they don't bring Enchantment removal, and it's quite easy to have an entire opposing team bashing hopelessly on the MM while the other 11 cap.

This is moronic. I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to bring builds that die to the first decent player they meet. Especially when there are other builds, more effective ones at that, which do not die to the first decent player they run into.

[Purity of the Raven]

Except there are a minimum of decent players in AB.

[David Holtzman]

Except there are a minimum of decent players in AB.

When there are none, call me. Until then, it's stupid to run something guaranteed to lose against anyone who isn't bad. Especially when there are equally effective builds around that don't lose to decent people.

[Some Dude]

if u want to "pwn" ppl in AB just run ss necro which does the job so much better and doesn't leave you open to the rare mesmer or necro with enchantment removal.

SS necro is bad.

[Wuzzman]

SS necro was good, now it is crap **** on tard droppings. Only good for heroway.

[Akirai Annuvil]

I'll take disabling them as valid cause to run an MM.
A 55 disabled bad players. A stance tank disabled bad players. A terratank disables bad players. One of the most important characteristics of bad builds is how they disable bad players, and only bad players. The builds are still bad and running them is still bad.
A CripShot disables bad players -- as well as good players. An Evi war destroys good players -- as well as bad players. A WoH monk protects bad players -- as well as good players. A Dervish slices tons of bad players -- and several good ones. Etcetera. Good builds can kill good players, bad builds can't. Both can destroy bad players. Thusly the good builds are (shockingly) better.


I'm aware that MM isn't the best of builds, but it can stop idiots, and why go to the effort of playing with skill, when you can click a few skills and go make lunch?
Like I said, if you don't wanna play competitively and run the best, go ahead. Just don't ask advice on running the worst. As far as running easy builds goes, I'd advise ss war with counter blow and fear me!. Excellent versus noobs (knocklock/insurmountable e-drain since they don't weapon swap), while also good versus good players. I wouldn't advise the hex ss.

[ChickenBurger]

Sup for MM....
personally I'd do no health benefits either, and a +5 armor -20 health inscrip :)

Using secondary there are plenty of ways to boost your defense, taste of death gives you full health, and a speed bosot can get you out of the way in almost any AB.....

AB would be the only place I'd run a MM anyway :)

[mmorpg man]

AB is the only effective place to use an mm. HB, TA and RA don't produce enough corpses. HA and GvG don't produce corpses untill well into the battle unless you totally wipe the other team so whatever happens you will be almost useless through most of the battle.

[Katy K]

When there are none, call me. Until then, it's stupid to run something guaranteed to lose against anyone who isn't bad. Especially when there are equally effective builds around that don't lose to decent people.

I run:

Savannah Heat
Searing Heat
Teinai's Heat
Fireball
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Flame Djinn's Haste
Healing Breeze
Gale

I nuke cap run, nuke cap run, nuke cap run. I don't fight with it.

[Dogbert]

Minions used to be pretty powerful in the thumperway build in gvg. Just make bone minions when someone die or from the pets, death nova on them and watch them blow up people.

[Metafrank]

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Except there are a minimum of decent players in AB.
Yeah, and if you smoke and get run over by a truck, the smoking didn't kill you, so smoking is a good idea.
Bad argument, mate.

P.S. I think this belongs more to the AB forum instead of General PvP.