Pls help a nub!

[Cymru Ranger]

Hey all!:afro:

I am playing GW since 1 n half years now. I am really getting bored with pve to be honest. I played RA and AB just for fun. But as GW is not imprroving Pve side anymore i am turning more and more to PvP.

But realised that Heroe's Ascent is a quiet closed community. If u re not ranke 3 or higher u cant get close to a team. From 1 way i understand this couse every team wants to win it but this way i cant get into this.

My first question is how can i start playing in heroes ascent if no 1 take me?

My second question is wich builds workin great there? Elite skills are not problem i unlocked them all in Pve. Wich recent builds are good there for a nublet like me :)

Cheers , and ty for the help!

Gabe
IGN: Cymru Ranger:wave:

[Shuuda]

My adivce:

Prepare yourself for dissapointment, lots and lots of it.

[Cymru Ranger]

thank you

u told me what i wrote uppper:tongue:

any suggestion wich makes sense?:rolleyes:

[Psychotic Death X]

Joining a HA Guild is your best bet.

[Shuuda]

Ok then, some more adivce:

1. Get Vent.
2. Fix your spelling and grammer, make yourself look respectable at least.
3. Don't deny what high ranks critise about you just because they sound harsh, 99% of the time, they're right.
4. Don't play gimmicks/FotM/Imba builds.

[the forests wisper]

My adivce:

Prepare yourself for dissapointment, lots and lots of it.

^ thats the best advice in the world.

HA is a pain in the *** to get into if you have no rank.

and well, even if english isnt your first languge, thiers no need to get all crazy because someone gave you the advice you asked for.

all the other things shudda mentioned are the best shot you have of getting in a team that isnt going to get rolled in 5 mins.

if u want a get fix quick, try leading a team, but if you dont have the balls or the skill to do that then this wont work either.

[Shuuda]

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10105129

I may as well do the right thing.

[Purity of the Raven]

I think he left the forums.

[Shuuda]

I think he left the forums.

Well, if you couldn't handle what I said, when HA would have eaten him alive.

[eddie the reaper]

Well about the 2nd this is my opinion:

Hmm lets see! U think i should respect you couse:

- u have shown any respect towards me and my question
- ur first answer to my question was only good to frighten ppl away from HA
- or when i told this to u, u started joking about my "grammer" and spelling...
(yop i am not perfect english but well i guess u re perfect hungarian or u speak like 2 other language than english)

No wonder why ppl think gw community is the worst ever.

Not really expecting any other useful reaction from you...

Cheers

Gabe
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Look dude, you asked for advice and he's giving it to you, also, he is right. Your spelling and grammer is atrocious, having spelling and grammer like that will NOT help you get into teams, it will do the exact opposite. People will think, oh, this guy can barely speak english, he won't understand what we're saying *kick*.

I know it's harsh, but that's what it's like, people want to win, so to minimise their chances of losing they ask for req rank, and want people who can speak competent english.

Another thing, if this is the kind of reaction you have to advice, quit now. If your not willing to take the advice you get, then you will NEVER improve. People want people who listen and not say "WTF R U TAKLING ABUT!!11! U R RONG!11!" because
A) If you do that in the middle of a match you could make your team lose
and
B) You have no rank, they probably will, mmm I wonder whos advise will be right? (yes I understand some ranked 10+ are nubs and ebayed, but yeah most of them know more than an unranked guy).

So yeah, learn to take advise and don't ignore it, when YOU are the one looking to get onto the team, not them.

[the forests wisper]

Well, if you couldn't handle what I said, when HA would have eaten him alive.

QFT

unfortunetly :sad:

[Cymru Ranger]

I got so many reaction so i decided to answer them 1 by 1 in one message.

The Forest Whisper: Thank you for your answer.

Shuuda: I'll try to write perfect english not using "u r" or "u c". Just on msn i am always using shorter form to make my tiping faster. Sorry for being rude and stuff but simple i was waiting a bit more help than saying "u gonna be sad". I dont think this advice will make me better player in pvp.I had a bad day though but this is not your probrem. Really sorry.

Thank you for the link.

Purity of the Raven: I am not going to give up. I know "it would be fun to watch" i fail, i am not that kind of a person who gives up after the first try.

Sorry for robbing your time. Will looking other ways to find out how to improove.

Cheers

Gabe
Cymru Ranger

[Akirai Annuvil]

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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10105129
Best advice you're gonna get.

[Shuuda]

Shuuda: I'll try to write perfect english not using "u r" or "u c". Just on msn i am always using shorter form to make my tiping faster. Sorry for being rude and stuff but simple i was waiting a bit more help than saying "u gonna be sad". I dont think this advice will make me better player in pvp.I had a bad day though but this is not your probrem. Really sorry.

Thank you for the link.


Don't forget to get Vent, voice commincation is very important.

[Cymru Ranger]

Thank you! I already have it. I used it when i was in the LaZy Nation Guild.

Yesterday a nice guy who saw my post whispered me when i was playing Guild Wars and have shown me the RaO build and gave me some good advice about the tactic what RaO is playing.

If you read this! Thank You again!:wink:

Cheers

Gabe

[kaelyn the dove]

Yesterday a nice guy who saw my post whispered me when i was playing Guild Wars and have shown me the RaO build and gave me some good advice about the tactic what RaO is playing.



Gabe

No, learn to play running actual builds, not that junk.
-Teh Shishi

[mmorpg man]

Look dude, you asked for advice and he's giving it to you, also, he is right. Your spelling and grammer is atrocious, having spelling and grammer like that will NOT help you get into teams, it will do the exact opposite. People will think, oh, this guy can barely speak english, he won't understand what we're saying *kick*.

I know it's harsh, but that's what it's like, people want to win, so to minimise their chances of losing they ask for req rank, and want people who can speak competent english.

Another thing, if this is the kind of reaction you have to advice, quit now. If your not willing to take the advice you get, then you will NEVER improve. People want people who listen and not say "WTF R U TAKLING ABUT!!11! U R RONG!11!" because
A) If you do that in the middle of a match you could make your team lose
and
B) You have no rank, they probably will, mmm I wonder whos advise will be right? (yes I understand some ranked 10+ are nubs and ebayed, but yeah most of them know more than an unranked guy).

So yeah, learn to take advise and don't ignore it, when YOU are the one looking to get onto the team, not them.

if you read the OP's first post you will realise why he reacted the way he did. he did not ask for a lecture of spelling and grammer. he asked for information on the current HA meta and some basic concepts of the arena. also there is nothing wrong with his spelling and grammer, he's mearly typing in text style which saves time. you don't need to have perfect english to be able to understand things in vent or team chat. (do you have perfect grammer and spelling?)


No, learn to play running actual builds, not that junk.
-Teh Shishi

If you want to know it was I who gave him that advice. you all know my feelings towards gimmicks like heroway and thumpers but the fact is that he has just got to HA, doesn't know any of the common builds or the maps. so that stops him making his own teams. with this in mind, the only unranked groups in HA are randomway, zergway and heroway. I asked him what professions he plays and he said ranger so I proceeded to tell him about the build and tactics of it. and I'm sure it will be a hell of a lot more useful to him than most of the crap coming out of these forums. lets see what people have said, erm...

1) getting into an HA guild is the easiest way to go. true
2) improve spelling and grammer to get into groups. utter bull****
3) get vent for voice communication. he already has vent so thats no help
4) learn to take advice. well from the reaction he showed to me last night I would say he does that already.
5) accept that players in HA are selfish idiots. I think he got the idea of that from the players on here so I would take my own advice If I were you

wow you know that is some really great advice! maybe you should all get together and write a book on HA tactics and builds. it'll probably hit the international best seller for complete stupidity. you never know it might even win a grammy award for best pile of crap ever written.

[Shuuda]

Oh, and one final tip, if you want to get better at the game, play a balanced build.

[the forests wisper]

If you want to know it was I who gave him that advice

clearly your unfit to give advice then....

if you cant play a balanced build, dont bother at all IMO. y clog up the pvp areas with junk? besides, thumpers arent exactly hard to shut down.

y not tell him to grab an axe and play zergway? same **** diffrent kind of stupidity.

[Cymru Ranger]

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Category:Great_working_HA_builds

is there any other workin ranger or necro build here?

Oath Shot Spirit Spammer In Zerg IWAY?

Tainted warder for necro?

i tried our RaO in RA worked well, but guess it wasnt wasnt created for RA.

[Shuuda]

another tip, DON'T use Wiki, it's outdated and run by medicre PvPers (if they are PvPers?), if you must copy, use Obs mode and watch good guilds, atleast you'll get some up to date knowledge.

[oles]

It's a good advice for a rank0 newb.

A thumper and an oath spammer/smoke trapper would be the only builds he could run with any degree of success before he get r3. However, he'll probably get a lot more fame with a thumper than with oath, since an unranked zerg is usually laughably pathetic, while an unranked sway/heroway can still do some damage.

Besides, a thumper is lot closer to a balanced frontliner than an oath spammer.

[grimwold]

You know guys, if youre going to have a pop at someones spelling when english isnt his native language but it is yours, then at least learn to spell grammAr :huh:

[mmorpg man]

clearly your unfit to give advice then....

if you cant play a balanced build, dont bother at all IMO. y clog up the pvp areas with junk? besides, thumpers arent exactly hard to shut down.

y not tell him to grab an axe and play zergway? same **** diffrent kind of stupidity.

1) I don't want him to have to go through the hell of a) trying to find an unranked balanced group and b) suffer the humiliation of being called a total noob by the rest of that team (which is very likely).

2) he said that he plays ranger and necro so telling him to play a warrior in zergway is not very helpful.

3) why don't you give some HELPFUL advice instead of critising others who don't just play for themselves.

4) the reason why you're telling him to run balanced is so you can farm fame off him.

I know from previous experience how hard it is to run balanced in PUGs. I've been playing HA for about 4 months and have got a total of 157 fame. most of that has been from balanced or various spikes. so, OP, if you want to try and do the same as me then you're welcome to join me. however if you want to get r3 relitively easily then run heroway and zergway untill you either get into a dedicated HA guild or get r3. after that the boundries open wide and you can do basically any build.

[eddie the reaper]

Offtopic:


I know from previous experience how hard it is to run balanced in PUGs. I've been playing HA for about 4 months and have got a total of 157 fame.

Sorry but that in itself is epic fail. I've been playing HA for 2 months and am over half way from rank 5 to rank 6 (820 fame), and no I don't play it loads. Another thing, your all giving off about how our advice sucks, yet you have not even got rank 3 yourself? Did you ever think our advice may be right, and that's why YOU have not got a bambi yet...

Ontopic:

Yes, I think spelling and grammer is very important, yes ok, saying they won't understand you on vent was slightly extreme, but you have to think of the standard PuG mentallity. Which of course, is to win. They will want someone they can rely on, and well if your a complete noob, then you really can't say "O i hAz gut r10" and still be let in because of your experience, you have to rely on other things. One of those things would be to create a good first impersion and you can do this by presenting yourself in a mature and well spoken way. At least then you can vouch for your own maturity, which in itself is a very good thing to have on a team. Ever notice how most top guilds aren't run by 12 year olds?...

[oles]

What's "spelling and grammer"? Everyone seems to be using this phrase, but its meaning escapes me...

[Ranger Nietzsche]

the irony doesn't escape me...that's for sure.

[Cymru Ranger]

This thread doesnt worth a fight like this. I will try to find a PvP HA guild and get trained there. Thats the best way i guess.

i found a build site too:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/archive/index.php/f-233.html

i found a decent balanced build for a necro: what u think about it?

Blood Healer

N/Mo
14 Blood
12 Healing
9 Soul Reaping

Offering of Blood
Life Siphon
Well of Blood
Blood Ritual
Heal Party
Infuse Health
Draw Conditions
Convert Hexes / Remove Hex

[Alaris]

Hi Cymru,

I don't have much experience in PvP HA, much like you. But I've found it much easier to get into groups by finding out what people are looking for, figuring out the builds, and running those. For a while I was doing SF/SH ele, and I also did some Ritspike when it was popular.

Generally, you are much more likely to get into groups as a monk. Just notice how many "GLF monks" being spammed around. Even in PUGs, I found that I could be somewhat selective of the groups I got into as a monk, even at r1 (which can't be shown) whereas as any other class I tried it was much more difficult to make the cut. That may be an easier way to get to r3 than using your favorite class. If you go that way, do some RA and TA to get the hang of the monk, and practice both playing as a healer and as a prot monk, because the HA groups you get into might need one or the other.

Also, during HA weekends, send your family on vacation, get the dog to a babysitter, and get yourself fired. These have tons of newbs and PUGs, and even though it's still difficult to get into groups, I'd guess that it's a lot easier to get into groups and get some fame than regularly. Again, especially as a monk.

Good luck

[Cymru Ranger]

Thank you very much. Really positive comment. It seems i have a lot thing to do! But the goal is there!

Thanx Alaris!

[Ugly Betty]

A thumper and an oath spammer/smoke trapper would be the only builds he could run with any degree of success before he get r3. However, he'll probably get a lot more fame with a thumper than with oath, since an unranked zerg is usually laughably pathetic, while an unranked sway/heroway can still do some damage.

yes. agreed. and good advice.

to the OP: your number one priority is to participate. it would be a complete waste of of time if you waited around for a decent balanced team to join. IMO, learn the gimmick builds and play them until you understand the fundamentals of HA. your chances of getting into teams will be greater than if you sit there being anal about what kind of group you join.

do not show your rank until you're r3.

[mmorpg man]

Generally, you are much more likely to get into groups as a monk. Just notice how many "GLF monks" being spammed around. Even in PUGs, I found that I could be somewhat selective of the groups I got into as a monk, even at r1 (which can't be shown) whereas as any other class I tried it was much more difficult to make the cut. That may be an easier way to get to r3 than using your favorite class. If you go that way, do some RA and TA to get the hang of the monk, and practice both playing as a healer and as a prot monk, because the HA groups you get into might need one or the other.

when did you last go into HA? monks have largely been replaced by n/rt healers which are the prefered healers by the heroway teams. then zergway uses para healers so no use for monks there. if you do want to go healer then either go para or n/rt.