Decision on the name of the Lore Guild.

[Gmr Leon]

After doing several counts of the supported names, I have decided to remove the others and let us decide on one of the supported names. In other words, the ones people liked made it through, those that were disliked (or simply were not chosen) have been removed.

...Hopefully this will go much quicker.

Edit: I will note ahead of time that I will not be voting in this poll as to not skew the results. I want this to be your decision, that way I can avoid any accusations of choosing a crappy name.:tongue:

[Sir Jack]

Posting in an epic bread.

BTW, is it normal we can see who voted what?

[Gmr Leon]

Only if before you post it you set it that way, which is obviously what I did.

[Karuro]

Though I cannot join the Lore guild (already in a great guild, would be a shame to leave it), I'll vote anyways for a fitting name, as it'll represent the lore fanatics among us :P

[Larqh]

It's kinda interesting that The Archivists' Sanctum seems to be winning out. Archivists don't actually go out and explore ruins and such, do they? But I guess if that's what the majority wants, guess I can't argue. ;)

[Sir Jack]

We'll just be Indiana Jones-type archivists :tongue:

[La Jaffa]

Indiana Jones.. Fighting Gods..
Wow Heavy....

[Larqh]

We'll just be Indiana Jones-type archivists :tongue:

LOL, I suppose that works.

[Gmr Leon]

I didn't realize this until I checked just now, but while Order of Whispers is taken, The Order of Whispers is not. If you do wish for this name instead (let's go unoriginality! :tongue:) I'll take note of that and subtract your vote from whichever choice you may have made.

Do keep in mind the following things:

It would be, as mentioned already albeit jokingly, unoriginal.
It would better fit the base idea of the guild.
It may cause confusion due to the likelihood of another guild having the name.
We still need to decide on a cape and guild hall.
While I've already got a few names of people interested in joining there are still those interested whose names I don't know.

[shawn]

I'm assuming the tag will be [lore], right?
Cause if not, it should be.

[Gmr Leon]

Yes, it will be, as was mentioned in the other thread.

[shawn]

Eh, didn't see another thread, I just saw this under 'new posts' and was intrigued. I'll just toss my un-lorey opinion out that I think lowercase tags look better than ones in all caps.
I also think The Archivists' Sanctum sounds the best (but I'm not joining - hell, these may be my first posts in this forum - so I'm not voting), but remember you can't have apostrophes in guild names. (edit: although I guess that was in the other thread too. Just ignore me, I'll go back to the OTF now. <_<)

[Gmr Leon]

I prefer lore over LORE too, but Caps Lock kids will be Caps Lock kids.

[Mister Smartypants]

Why not LoRE (imitating an acronym with the lowercase o) or Lore then? A lowercase letter at the start of a tag which is an actual word and not an acronym is just sloppy grammar IMO, and I agree with Shawn about all caps tags. Then again I'm anal when it comes to grammar - I couldn't live with the name The Archivists Sanctum cos that's how it'll appear because of the lack of apostrophe in guild names. :tongue:

[Gmr Leon]

Well it's not much better for the other names if you're like that. They capitalize Of in the middle of a name when it should simply be of and like you said, lack of an apostrophe.

GW is innately grammatically incorrect.

[Mister Smartypants]

Shhh don't remind me!

[Gmr Leon]

I'm not seeing any further posts/votes in relation to this, so I think I can conclude that the name will be The Archivists' Sanctum. This being the case, I suppose I'll form the guild.

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore] it will be then.

[Yara]

Once the guild is made you can go ahead and send me an invite, though i will be leaving for vacation tomorrow so idk how long invites last, don't want to waste your 100gp lol.

IGN: Yara Ikari

I guess the next step would be deciding on a cape, here are a few ideas i had... though looking back at them i think i watched monty python and the holy grail too much lol.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/624/cape1su2.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3794/cape2gm7.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4623/cape3hv6.jpg

[Gmr Leon]

Since I'm not about to PM everyone who said yes in the previous thread asking about IGNs, those still interested in this idea and would like to be invited, PM me with your IGN and if I see you on I'll send out an invite.

[Larqh]

*snip*
I guess the next step would be deciding on a cape, here are a few ideas i had... though looking back at them i think i watched monty python and the holy grail too much lol.
*snip*

Nothing wrong with that. ;) I rather like the first one.

[Sir Jack]

Since I'm not about to PM everyone who said yes in the previous thread asking about IGNs, those still interested in this idea and would like to be invited, PM me with your IGN and if I see you on I'll send out an invite.

IGN: Sir Jackass (if you don't like that one in the roster, send it to Scrooge Mc Duck)

Send the invite on Monday or Tuesday, since I'm still in my 1-man Guild and I'll need to leave.
Unfortunantly, I'm a little busy right now to log on, so yeah, in a couple of days.
Also, if you want it, I have a Celestial Sigil lying around somewhere. That'd make some room.
Have you decided on the Hall BTW?

[Gmr Leon]

From what I could tell, most favored the Isle of Weeping Stone guild hall.

[La Jaffa]

Ya, but ! What its going to be? kurzick or luxon?

[Gmr Leon]

Not sure on that. I know it doesn't really matter to me.

As to capes, here are a few ideas from me.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/GmrLeon00/gw066.jpg

[La Jaffa]

Please do Luxon :)
And i like the: golden beetle Cape, but that purple isnt a nice colour

[Gmr Leon]

...Which purple? And that's a scarab not a beetle..Unless scarabs are a type of beetle.

Edit: Nevermind that purple question, should have been obvious. Anyway, the purple was mainly to represent Abaddon and the gold Kormir. Considering they're sort of Gods of Knowledge.

[Larqh]

I think the purple is a little light on most of them. I still like the sunburst on white (think Sir Jack posted it). I did a few of my own, just for kicks. ^_^

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/tiggertailz/lorecape2.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/tiggertailz/lorecape3.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/tiggertailz/lorecap1.jpg

1)I like this beetle better in gold.
2)I also thought, since we might be going for the Abaddon/Kormir theme, an eye might be more appropriate.
3)I thought the odd insignia/writing might be good to go with our name.

Just my submissions. Make of them what you will.

Edit: I'm sorry, it was Yara who posted the surburst cape.

[keroshinigami]

im kind of surprised the cape with the hammer(or is it axe?) isn't a suggested choice. it does say "Guild Wars" on it. i thought it would be fitting.

[Gmr Leon]

If you compare the Guild Wars with Abaddon's actions you'll notice that Abaddon is more significant. He had his hands in just about everything.

[La Jaffa]

The seccond of Larq is coel with the eye !
but is it going to be Luxon Or kurzick? i Vote Luxon

[SibbTigre]

In keeping with 'lore', surely it should be Kurzick, a society based on lore and art, rather than a society based on strength and warfare, or better yet - neutral (though this would remove the alliance option).

[Baze]

Cape should be based on wherever the Guild Hall/Guild Name suggests the guild is based, not on personal taste, IMO.

But considering the Members of the Tyrian/Elonian/Canthan sociecty who would know lore tend to be Scholars, or at least those who study the lore would be, I would suggest a cape which mirrors the Surroundings of the Guild's Hall and the fact that the members are (possibly) scholars.

As for the Faction, I'd vote neutral. A group of Scholars would sooner venture into both in search of lore/artifacts than tam up with one, especially the over-suspicious Luxons. And as Sibb said, Kurzicks would work to preserve a lot more Lore, so I feel that the Lore Hunter's may be common there...

[Gmr Leon]

If we were to choose the cape by that, the guild hall if I'm not misunderstanding, then none of the emblems would really be fitting. There are no eyes or stones that seem to be weeping. :grin:

Also, if you notice, to go along with the lore idea behind the guild, I suggested symbolism in the cape. Either in wisdom, in-game deities, or whatever is really relevant and symbolizes the the basic idea of the guild.

[Baze]

Well, yes, Leon.

Let's take the name option "Halls of Chokhin", for example. If I am correct, that's a place in Elona, Vabbi, I believe. It would not be fitting to have a Kurzick style of cape, for a Vabbian (or Elonian) based set of lore enthusiasts.

At the same time, "University of the Six Gods" to me suggests an Orrian theme. Having no idea what Orrian style cities, forts and art are like, it would be rather hard to choose a Hall and Cape to fit. But by looking at where Orr was in the game, I could imaging it having a mix of Ascalon, Vabbian and Kournan influences on it's designs, or having similar designs to those found in the Crystal Desert.


If we were to choose the cape by that, the guild hall if I'm not misunderstanding, then none of the emblems would really be fitting. There are no eyes or stones that seem to be weeping.

I see your point there. Though I do believe that you could create a cape which would be suited to the designs of Kurzicks, with time.


Also, if you notice, to go along with the lore idea behind the guild, I suggested symbolism in the cape. Either in wisdom, in-game deities, or whatever is really relevant and symbolizes the the basic idea of the guild.

I am not disputing that. The Emblem does not need to be matching of the local area to make it a good cape. The emblem is what I believe to be the symbol of what the guild stands for.

[Larqh]

Baze, you might have caught this already, but the guild is called "The Archivists' Sanctum", so discussing how the other names would effect the guild hall or cape seems rather pointless. (Granted, maybe I'm just too tired right now to understand what you are getting at, so my apologies if I'm out of line.)

I think we are indeed to trying to come up with symbols of what the guild stands for. The eye, the scarab, the owl (however fugly it is...). If you dislike those, can you recommend any you think would better suit? (Honest question, not being smart.)

[SibbTigre]

Hmm, for the cape, if you're having trouble (looking for association with the Gods, etc), might I suggest something simple like the tree? After-all, lore grows with each passing generation.

[La Jaffa]

and with the faction, when we do neutral we cant farm Luxon factions.. bad for my title...
we musnt take the Faction by Role playing stuff, but what people like most, voting about it would be an option i think.

[SibbTigre]

Most RP I've met (although not all) goes by the GW Lore. I think its safe to say RP and Lore go hand-in-hand, but yes, ultimately it should be the choice of the members.

What stops you faction farming as neutral though? If the guild goes kurzick, as long as you personally initially have more luxon faction than kurzick, you can still get the blessings etc.

[Baze]

Most RP I've met (although not all) goes by the GW Lore. I think its safe to say RP and Lore go hand-in-hand, but yes, ultimately it should be the choice of the members.

What stops you faction farming as neutral though? If the guild goes kurzick, as long as you personally initially have more luxon faction than kurzick, you can still get the blessings etc.

I think that they get double reward if they transfer to an Alliance.

[La Jaffa]

and how do i get to the alliance battle at luxon side?

[Baze]

and how do i get to the alliance battle at luxon side?

Friends hall?





Here's a stupid idea, create 2 versions of the guild, one Luxon and one Kurzick, then both groups get what they want.

[Jair of the Forest]

Friends hall?





Here's a stupid idea, create 2 versions of the guild, one Luxon and one Kurzick, then both groups get what they want.

But they can't be in an alliance together than..

and that is actually the whole idea.

[SibbTigre]

and how do i get to the alliance battle at luxon side?

The way people do it now, surely: Use a friend in aligned with Luxon (or if you've chosen the guild to be Luxon and want Kurzick faction, find a friend in a kurzick aligned guild). They give you guest access, and you go from their GH.

[Gmr Leon]

And then there's also the simple option of Aspenwood, if you're just farming faction in general.

[Jair of the Forest]

And then there's also the simple option of Aspenwood, if you're just farming faction in general.

Or HFFF, it is the fastest way.

[Konig Des Todes]

Seeing how I finally got my GWO account to work, figured my first post should be my ideas for the guild's current issues.

First, here are my ideas for caps that I came up with. I tried keeping with an Abaddon/Kormir idea with these:

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/Azazel_90/gw006-1.jpg
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/Azazel_90/gw006-1.jpg

Here are some capes I came up with that looked fine without an emblem on them:

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/Azazel_90/gw007-1.jpg
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/Azazel_90/gw007-1.jpg

Second, the issue of which guild hall, here are my suggestions and why:
Hunter's Isle: It's location is technically Kryta and that's where the Mantle's Library is.
Isle of Meditation: Its based in a Monastery, fits the idea somewhat well. (personally don't like it but still throwing it out there)
Isle of Weeping Stone: Kurzick hall, and everyone knows that Kurzicks are basically lore lovers like ourselves :grin:.
Corrupted Isle: Goes with the Abaddon idea.

I vote for either Weeping Stone or Hunter's personally.

As for the alliance, I vote for Kurzick, for two reasons. First, they are more lore-like then Luxons. Second, it'll be unusual for me to be Luxon as I've always been Kurzick *that's the less important reason :grin:*. Although, which side we choose doesn't matter to me really. I'm going for the Kurzick title atm, rather slowly, but if we go Luxon, I can simply work on the Luxon title, and HFF the Kurzick Faction.

Also, for the whole "how will I get the other side's faction" issue. HFF, both sides have it, Aspenwood, and using the bounty (5 faction per kill in NM, 10 in HM, and there is the boss bonus), that of course is if you can't get a guest invite from a friend.

Anyways, there's my thoughts.

[Larqh]

Az! You finally made it! Yay!

Okay, since we are needing some decisions, I'm gonna make some votes here.

Cape: I have to say, I like the 3rd cape in the first group that Az posted best so far. I like the color combination and the motif.

Hall: Isle of the Weeping Stone. I just think it fits best for us.

Alliance: If I must pick one, then I pick Kurzick. They fit in well with our love for lore.

[Gmr Leon]

I'd be all for that third one..If I had any idea what that emblem is supposed to be.

[Konig Des Todes]

I think the emblem is just some random design that was made up. BUT, if you must have some symbolizing, how about the circle representing the sun and the stuff around it representing darkness trying to envelope it. Or, something else, the circle could be a head, and the stuff around could be a crown, of corse a crappy head/crown.

Just like the emblem, something random to describe it :grin:

The ones I like the most are the first and third on the top and the first, and third on the bottom. I think those have rather nice color combinations and the bottom three have the whole Abaddon/Kormir representation.

For the third cape on the top row, the color of the emblem and design can switch to maybe show abaddon (represented by the emblem) trying to take over kormir (represented by the flame), if the color was switch.

[Larqh]

Sorry I missed you ingame, Leon. Was in the midst of Asuran quests again. :) Got through that arc and now have my slim spectacles!

Anyways, as for your question, I think it's kind of like an eye. Cyclopean looking perhaps, but I like it's style better than the other eye option available. I do like that one eye, but this one looks cooler. It could also be seen as a source of light fighting off the darkness, or trying to fight it off at least.

[Gmr Leon]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/GmrLeon00/gw068.jpg

Those were a few ideas of mine, the water ones and Yin-Yang were brought up by Azazel and so I just decided to see what those would look like.

[Lethargium]

I'll be completely honest with you Ghamir. There's no way in this entire universe that you can pull this Guild stunt off. It's not that I doubt your abilities or anything... Okay, I do doubt them, but that's not the point.

The only way you could do this was only if you were half of what Quintus was, or if you had someone like him supporting you.

Unfortunately for you, there were only two people like Quintus. Quintus himself and person that got banned twice because of you. And neither of them will ever support you. Not a chance.

Since I'm a good sportsman, I wish you good luck in this pet project.

You will need it...

[Gmr Leon]

Well, always nice to hear an opinion that isn't in the positive.

[Larqh]

*snip*

Bitter much?

Leon, I like the gold eye on purple, but could we do a different trim? Something more smooth, maybe?

[Konig Des Todes]

I'll be completely honest with you Ghamir. There's no way in this entire universe that you can pull this Guild stunt off. *snip* Funny, we already got the guild going. Even if it doesn't get more people, which I'm sure it will, it is still "pulled off." So, in all technicality, Gmr proved you wrong before you even said anything.


Leon, I like the gold eye on purple, but could we do a different trim? Something more smooth, maybe? I personally like the trim I used in my pics.

As for your capes Gmr, I think there is too little color. All purple then one gold or all gold then one purple... just doesn't look right to me.

[Larqh]

I personally like the trim I used in my pics.

As for your capes Gmr, I think there is too little color. All purple then one gold or all gold then one purple... just doesn't look right to me.

Maybe the eye on that with the odd symbol we sort of liked, with the purple kinda of flames and black in the background?

[Yara]

I personally hate flames around the edges of the capes as they just are unaesthetic to me. I have always preferred capes that looked realistic in a manner, like old tapestries i guess. Out of the capes that Azazel posted i like the 3rd one the best. (black with purple bit and Gold "thingy" emblem). It would seem that purple black and gold have become the prevalent color for the cape, though i believe that a darker purple would look better in a lot of the capes. same could be said for a non torn edge cape, idk that edge trim always looked bad to me.

[Konig Des Todes]

You mean like this Larqh?

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/Azazel_90/gw008-1.jpg

I don't really like it myself, can't point out why though... Just don't like it :undecided:.

I think the third cape of what I posted earlier will work out best.

[Gmr Leon]

I'm leaving it to you guys to decide. I'm not going to see it often, myself, as I haven't worn a cape since my first attempt at a guild.

[Larqh]

You mean like this Larqh?

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj230/Azazel_90/gw008-1.jpg

I don't really like it myself, can't point out why though... Just don't like it :undecided:.

I think the third cape of what I posted earlier will work out best.

No, that wasn't what I meant. I meant the third cape. Gold emblem on purple on black. Just with the eye instead of the emblem we were having difficulty determine what exactly it was. :)

[SibbTigre]

I almost agree with you two, the third one (under spoiler tags in Az' post) is the better.. I just don't like the symbol too much.

Care to do variations with different symbols to see the effect?

[Jair of the Forest]

Wouldn't it be a good idea to first come up with a Guild Cape symbol, so that there is no longer a discussion necessary about that?

[SibbTigre]

I'd still suggest a tree.. but that's me.

and I'm not likely to be in the guild anyway..

[Larqh]

I did two variations on what I've been trying to describe:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/tiggertailz/lorecape4.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/tiggertailz/lorecape5.jpg

After doing those, I still like the third on Az did best, but wanted you guys to see what I was talking about.

[SibbTigre]

hmm, guess the tree won't work..

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj39/sibbtigre/gw006.jpg

Actually Larqh, I do like the second one of yours.

[SilentEarth]

Hi all. I just joined the guild today, and I just got my GWO account up and running, so I thought I'd drop by to voice my opinion a bit.

Hall: I vote Isle of weeping stone, simply because it's my favorite, but I've yet to see a hall that doesn't appeal to me on some level.

Cape: I like all of your ideas, but I think I'd have to say I like Azazel's ideas the most. My favorite would probably be the 2nd one (black and white), but that one doesn't seem to be too popular. I like the third one a lot too. The gold emblem is nice. I like how the emblem sort of appears to be engulfing the purple similarly to how Kormir inherited Abaddon's power and knowledge. As for the trim, I'm not a huge fan, but pssh I'll get over it.

Alliance: I would vote neutral, but if I had to choose an alliance, it'd be Kurzick, just because they seem to be more philosophy/history/art oriented than the luxons.... and I'm closer to the Kurzick title, but I could always just get a guest invite from my old (now 1-man) guild for AB.

If you need any donations toward the guild hall or something, feel free to ask. I've got some gold to spare.

[Sun Stargazer]

I did two variations on what I've been trying to describe:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/tiggertailz/lorecape4.jpg


I like that one. It stands out pretty well.

[Capella]

The Guild sounds interesting. I rather like the name, and I think the concept is fantastic, so I'd love to join. Have the cape design and the Hall been finalized yet, or is that still being debated? is the guild officially Kurzick aligned, or no?

[Gmr Leon]

At the moment those are being discussed. However, it seems highly likely that the hall will be the Isle of Weeping Stone.

[Amantis]

Wait, I'm very confused, if this is the lore forum guild then what guild have I been in for 3 months? Lore School [GWen] Alligned with [GWO], [ULGG], [TRUE], and [DII]. By the way I vote Luxon. Being in a Kurzick guild hurts my soul

[Gmr Leon]

I think you've completely lost me.

[Sun Stargazer]

Wait, I'm very confused, if this is the lore forum guild then what guild have I been in for 3 months? Lore School [GWen] Alligned with [GWO], [ULGG], [TRUE], and [DII]. By the way I vote Luxon. Being in a Kurzick guild hurts my soul


Putting lore in the guild name does not automaticly make it a lore guild.

[Konig Des Todes]

Wait, I'm very confused, if this is the lore forum guild then what guild have I been in for 3 months? Lore School [GWen] Alligned with [GWO], [ULGG], [TRUE], and [DII]. By the way I vote Luxon. Being in a Kurzick guild hurts my soulPutting lore in the guild name does not automaticly make it a lore guild.
Sun is right here, putting lore in the name doesn't make the guild a lore guild. The name has very little on what a guild is meant for. I can call a guild "Hall of Heroes Retakers [HoH]" and never have the guild do HA or Tombs groups.

Besides, with the tag [GWen], it seems the most lore it would get into would be Eye of the North lore :tongue:. Not to mention, our guild has a better name. :grin:

[Jair of the Forest]

Wait, I'm very confused, if this is the lore forum guild then what guild have I been in for 3 months? Lore School [GWen] Alligned with [GWO], [ULGG], [TRUE], and [DII]. By the way I vote Luxon. Being in a Kurzick guild hurts my soul

Not really on-topic, but if you are in GWen at the moment you are in a Kurzick guild.

Besides, GWen has barely anything to do with Lore. I think it might have been their first intention to create a guild around lore but they are mostly title grinders now. If they did anything with Lore it was not in the 2 months I was a member.

[Amantis]

Not really on-topic, but if you are in GWen at the moment you are in a Kurzick guild.


"being in a Kurzick..."

Anyways I look forward to the creation of the guild. I'll be checking for updates :grin::grin:

[Gmr Leon]

The guild's already in existence, been so since June 20th.

[Akirai Annuvil]

What's with the purple fetish?
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q122/Akirai1989/gw907.jpg
Now that's an award winning cape. Lovely play between the colours and such interaction amongst the forms - quite the pleasing aesthetic. Winning a bronze or gold cape trim would truly perfect the design, as constructed by yours truly of course.

Quintus himself and person that got banned twice because of you.
If you mean Kailden, that guy was an idiot. He couldn't keep [BaR] together for a week, literally. Quintus wasn't the holier-than-thou figure you're making him out to be. He had his flaws as much as his strengths. Neither of them have been at the head of the most succesful Guilds in GW either way; those were made and sustained by other people. Apparently, you don't need to be 'even half of Quintus' to create a good guild huh? Leon can pull this off if he puts in the work /shrug - if he doesn't it'll be his mess, don't really see how you figure in at all.

[Konig Des Todes]

What's with the purple fetish? It's not a fetish, the purple represents Abaddon, and that is wanted due to how much influence he has in GW1. All storylines, save Eye of the North, deals with him along with about half the lore in the three campaigns. So it's not a fetish, it is just a concept that was agreed to use. The cape you posted isn't bad, but it isn't fitting with the concept of a Lore guild.

[Akirai Annuvil]

The cape I posted was sort of a joke :P I'll let you guys decide on your cape yourself.

If your theme is Abbadon though, the logical focus as far as emblem goes would be eyes wouldn't it? Either that, secrets or libraries (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Atrocity_Library) are the things which spring to mind with a lorenoob such as myself.

[SibbTigre]

What I got from it all was the theme was based on all the gods in some way (tree + purple seems to work.. but that's just me). Still interested to see how the guild turns out.

My own guild uses the GW lore and a little bit more, but we don't consider ourselves keepers of lore :tongue:

[Gmr Leon]

If your theme is Abbadon though, the logical focus as far as emblem goes would be eyes wouldn't it? Either that, secrets or libraries (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Atrocity_Library) are the things which spring to mind with a lorenoob such as myself.

We've a few capes with an eye on it a few pages back. I'd like to have an emblem that represented a library like a book or tome, but there aren't any in existence. Unless I overlooked them, which I don't think I've done.

[Konig Des Todes]

The time it is taking for the decision for a cape and hall is starting to get too long. I say we should just take the most popular cape and hall and if they are wanted to be changed, change them later.

Unlike the name, the cape and hall can be changed so I see no reason why not to go ahead with the currently most liked cape and hall. Alliance is a different story as we cannot go back to neutral after choosing Kurzick or Luxon.

This is just my current thought. Take it as you will.

[SibbTigre]

Methinks another vote(s) is coming up.

Alliances could be fun. Player preference or lore, for a lore-based guild..

[SilentEarth]

The time it is taking for the decision for a cape and hall is starting to get too long. I say we should just take the most popular cape and hall and if they are wanted to be changed, change them later.

Unlike the name, the cape and hall can be changed so I see no reason why not to go ahead with the currently most liked cape and hall. Alliance is a different story as we cannot go back to neutral after choosing Kurzick or Luxon.

This is just my current thought. Take it as you will.

Agreed. Voting isn't a bad idea either though.

[Gmr Leon]

We decided to go with the cape that Azazel posted that can no longer be seen and the Isle of Weeping Stone. Mainly due to the fact these can be easily changed and it was taking far longer than liked.

[Capella]

I'm not going to be terribly disappointed if the guild is either Kurzick or Luxon. Because I'm trying to get Protector of Cantha I've teamed with both sides and I don't have a clearcut preference. (I like the Jade Sea over the Echovald, but I'm no diehard.) That said, I'm going to talk about the Luxons, to be different.

I don't believe that the Luxons are less interested in lore then the Kurzicks. They have less obvious scholars, perhaps, but that doesn't mean there aren't any among the people. We know they have historians of their own people; there's an NPC in Cavalon with that function who tells you about the clans. Being nomadic, they probably don't have a single area of stored lore like the Kurzicks, with their stationary houses. However, many nomadic cultures and those with strong tribal/clan type systems tend to have elaborate oral histories memorized by shamans, lorekeepers, and the like. Before the sea turned to jade, the Luxons likely had frequent contact with other peoples and could have picked up their mythology and histories, either as curios (who doesn't like a good story?) or as a way to study other cultures that might become a potential threat or ally (the 'know your enemy) philosophy). We see this example many times on Earth; when two cultures meet there's generally an exchange of lore.

In short, I don't think that the Luxons should be ruled out on the grounds that they seem less interested in lore.

[Konig Des Todes]

In defense of the Luxon side, although like most people, it doesn't really matter, you must take in note that the Luxon people might not be into lore, aside from the people that Capella mentioned, but the quests and background seems more lore-like then the Kurzick quests and background.

Albeit not much of a reason to go with Luxons over Kurzicks, and I personally prefer Kurzick or Neutral, but will still go with Luxons if chosen, I figured it would be interesting to have a better "battle" between which side is chosen :)

[SilentEarth]

Sorry Leon, I didn't catch you before you logged off, but I'm gonna be leaving the guild. It's been fun, but I'd like to join a more serious PvE guild. Anyone, feel free to add me. PM me if you never need help with anything. It's been a lot of fun. Good luck! I'll miss you guys (all 3 of you that I've actually talked to XD)!

[La Jaffa]

well im with my mothers now and the PC is so slow that if im typing and ready with the sentence the Computer still is putting words on the screen, so no GW for 3 weeks >.<

[Shinryu]

Wait, did I miss something? Has the name already been decided/guild been created?

EDIT: Of course it has.. is it Lore School [GWen]?

[Gmr Leon]

It's the option with the most votes in the above poll.

[Sir Jack]

Wait, did I miss something? Has the name already been decided/guild been created?

EDIT: Of course it has.. is it Lore School [GWen]?

Lore School [GWen] is a different Guild. I don't know if they're doing anything related to lore though...

[Gmr Leon]

From what I've read they tried to at first, but then just drifted more into PvE/PvP and just generally playing the game.

[Shinryu]

ah. Well, what is the name of the Lore Guild then?

[Gmr Leon]

It's the option with the most votes in the above poll.

In other words, the Archivists' Sanctum.

[Konig Des Todes]

Leon, I think you should close the thread now :P

Now that it's been point blank stated (again) that it has been created with the name The Archivists Sanctum [Lore].

For those who go to the "last post" there is also a cape and a guild hall (Isle of Weeping Stone, unless it was changed since I had to leave).

I already miss the excavations :P

[SpitfireIXA]

I voted The Lore Sanctum, but I see you have your name set.

[Konig Des Todes]

The poll is closed and has been for a LONG time. The guild has been named The Archivists Sanctum [Lore].

[Quintus Antonius]

I'm happy to see a lore guild. Eratimus attempted this once back in the day during the TAOS Era of the forum, but it never went anywhere. How has this venture gone so far?

[Konig Des Todes]

WB for now Quintus.

The guild is at an average pace for a guild that was made this late in the game's life.

Got Leon leading, me and Sir Jack as officers, and atm 7 others, people from both GWO and Guru. Others have joined and left, some have to become inactive due to rl, and still others just have their secondary accounts in the guild so they are inactive.


Overall, there are 4 or 10 people on more then once a week, and 6 people total on within a month.

I hope we can get more people over the months in GW1, especially since we'll be advertising the guild with the next Mursaat Rally (and at other events).

Also, There is a request of you for the next Mursaat Rally (Leon should have contacted you, but if not go ahead and PM me and I'll give the details).

Edit: Also, the guild has a wiki page that I try to keep up to date in terms of members.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:The_Archivists_Sanctum

[Quintus Antonius]

If your guild gets big enough, you should try to join the BaR Alliance!

Anyway, I already know about the next Mursaat Rally, or I guess you are calling it MantleCon now (I don't really like that name, because it isn't exactly what the purpose of the Rally is, but I'm no longer in charge). You want me to give a speech.

Right now, I can't say what I'll be doing in April. That is near the end of the term at my university, so I may be knee-deep in finals and other nasty academic pursuits. If I am available, I would love to come, but I worry that I am no longer relevent enough to be giving a speech about anything. I feel Leon or other new members or old, but still active, members would be a better choice, as I have not kept up to date with current trends in Guild Wars lore. I thank you for the invitation though.

Let me know something concrete closer to the date.

[Karuro]

Good to see you stopping by, Quintus.

[Gmr Leon]

If your guild gets big enough, you should try to join the BaR Alliance!

Anyway, I already know about the next Mursaat Rally, or I guess you are calling it MantleCon now (I don't really like that name, because it isn't exactly what the purpose of the Rally is, but I'm no longer in charge). You want me to give a speech.

Right now, I can't say what I'll be doing in April. That is near the end of the term at my university, so I may be knee-deep in finals and other nasty academic pursuits. If I am available, I would love to come, but I worry that I am no longer relevent enough to be giving a speech about anything. I feel Leon or other new members or old, but still active, members would be a better choice, as I have not kept up to date with current trends in Guild Wars lore. I thank you for the invitation though.

Let me know something concrete closer to the date.

That isn't precisely set in stone anyway. At any rate, that's what I was telling Konig when he proposed you give a speech as well, that you may find you're incapable of attending. However, I hadn't considered the most basic fact of your being unaware of the lore trends..

If anything, we'll try to keep you informed of what the plans are.

[Konig Des Todes]

If your guild gets big enough, you should try to join the BaR Alliance!

Anyway, I already know about the next Mursaat Rally, or I guess you are calling it MantleCon now (I don't really like that name, because it isn't exactly what the purpose of the Rally is, but I'm no longer in charge). You want me to give a speech.

Right now, I can't say what I'll be doing in April. That is near the end of the term at my university, so I may be knee-deep in finals and other nasty academic pursuits. If I am available, I would love to come, but I worry that I am no longer relevent enough to be giving a speech about anything. I feel Leon or other new members or old, but still active, members would be a better choice, as I have not kept up to date with current trends in Guild Wars lore. I thank you for the invitation though.

Let me know something concrete closer to the date.
There are two reasons why I proposed changing the name.
1) Now the event is for getting attention for all things Mursaat/Mantle related (including the Seers), so simply "Mursaat Rally" didn't fit well.
2) While MantleCon doesn't fit much better as Mursaat Rally - few things would - I wanted to give a more creative, for lack of a better word, name then simply ______ Rally (as we are also planning an event for the Tengu)

As for you not being able to give the speech, we figured that to be the case (as Leon said, not so much you not being in tuned with current lore, but a couple weeks would fix that *for me at least, I'm sure you're a faster reader and smarter then me*, but there is no pressure.

We'll look around for different people. But at least we got feedback on this matter.

[Quintus Antonius]

You also assume I want to catch up. I don't plan on being active again, so I don't want to catch up. Kind of like a reformed alcoholic shouldn't drink beer.

[Konig Des Todes]

Er, wasn't assuming, was just saying if you did, you could. But I suppose you would have known that. I think I should shush now. >.>

[Gmr Leon]

You also assume I want to catch up. I don't plan on being active again, so I don't want to catch up. Kind of like a reformed alcoholic shouldn't drink beer.

Good to see you've still that state of mind to give amusing examples. You're right though, in that if you're not going to be active catching up would be a bit of a waste.

[Quintus Antonius]

Yeah, and it's important to remember that I still like Guild Wars, I still like lore, and I still encourage you all to continue learning and extending it, but as for me, my day has come and gone, and it wouldn't be appropiate, or perhaps even right, for me to get back into the game.

[Gmr Leon]

I wouldn't go to the extent of letting your role here bar you from playing the game. However, in associated matters, you may be correct. Besides that, I think we would continue to research the lore of the game either way.

[Konig Des Todes]

While I personally don't see where there is a problem of you getting back into lore, let alone the game, it is your choice so I won't try to change your mind - as that would be a futile attempt I'm sure anyways.

Besides, all that I see changing would be the return of one good researcher, and possibly some of those who... followed -for lack of a better word- you.

[Konig Des Todes]

Was bored so I went and made a wiki userbox for the guild. It can be found on the bottom of the guild page (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:The_Archivists_Sanctum).


{{Guild:The Archivists Sanctum/Userbox}}