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Because I monk in ab, i usually get picked for a lot of guild teams. In the middle of the match, all twelve started to buch up. I pointed out we were mobbing, and suggested we spread out. Then i got a few replies from the guild group that mobbing=win. So I played along, mostly because it's not easy to go off and cap by yourself when you are a monk. I have started hearing it a lot now, which got me sick of it and I have started going off on my own to cap as monk, letting them shout whatever they want at me.
So my questions are...
1) Are there many people that believe mobbing is a good strategy?
2) Is there a better way to stop them mobbing other than shouting at them (which has no effect apparantly)?
P.S. Started going with guildies and alliance members, because i couldn't be bothered trying to find people who agree with me.
Simply Kedde
20-08-2008, 15:46
The solution you've chosen is the best one. Not many people will agree and even if one other from your team does, the fact that the 2 others will go in another direction will make your team fail anyways.
1. too many hence the popularity of MM's and whatever tank builds are popular at the time.
2. Not really. If people decide they think mobbing is good, there's not really any way to convince them it isn't because AB has such a large room for error.
Jono Mozza
21-08-2008, 09:56
So my questions are...
1) Are there many people that believe mobbing is a good strategy?
2) Is there a better way to stop them mobbing other than shouting at them (which has no effect apparantly)?
1.) yeah, there is. It will never change.
2.) I sometimes run an 8 spirit ranger bar with "the nasty ones" that screw up everyone(e.g. quicksand, quickening zephyr, eoe etc). Usually, they realise it isnt worth it, or at least the players with some part of a brain left lol.
Simply Kedde
21-08-2008, 14:35
That's just stupid. You screw over your own team just as much and they can't even remove the effects themselves by killing the spirits. Besides you are running around useless effectively reducing your teams number of players by 1 making the match 11v12 or how many there's left.
Math Person
21-08-2008, 21:10
I just have something to say when you realize everybody is mobbing....
TRAPPER TEAM ANYONE?
Simply Kedde
21-08-2008, 23:47
A big phat NO!
that does in no way help out your team. you'll most likely be interrupted a lot and won't do anything besides doing minor damage. Oh and did I mention being 99% useless the rest of the match?
Trapper in no way suits ab, too much space,
Offatwork
04-09-2008, 12:26
So my questions are...
1) Are there many people that believe mobbing is a good strategy?
2) Is there a better way to stop them mobbing other than shouting at them (which has no effect apparantly)?
P.S. Started going with guildies and alliance members, because i couldn't be bothered trying to find people who agree with me.
In determining strategy, I'm going to assume that people are preforming at equal levels. Holding all other variables constant, of course.
1) Mobbing's purpose is to overpower the enemy by sheer numbers. For example, Group A is at their shrine. Group A2 start attacking said shrine. Right now, Group A has the advantage. They have at least four people from their group and at least 2 NPC's at the shrine with very powerful skills at their disposal. Whereas group A2 only really has up to 4 people.
Looking at another scenario, same situation however group A2 is backed up by group B2. You now have eight people going up against a shrine that has about 6. That's a lot more people to watch for group A with only 32 skills to go off of where the other two groups get 64. Chances are groups A2 and B2 will win the shrine.
2) However the problem comes in when people keep mobbing. When you mob, you also don't maximize your capping abilities since the speed at which you cap is topped out at 4 people. That's 4 other people that are essentially out of the game just sitting there. So mobbing is a very slow way of capping shrines. Therein lies the counter. If a team A is being mobbed by team B, then team A should try to issue better mobility maneuvers in order to out-cap said mob.
GrimShade
05-09-2008, 00:02
While you do overpower that one shrine with a mob there are at least 4 other shrines to worry about. three groups of four can cap three shrines at once, while one mobb can cap one shrine.
A mob will also gain pts by kills and a full mob will get a good chunk of kills. A smart team will see a mob and run the other way calling to his other teams to avoid the mob. Thus 1 big mob ends up running around with no targets and poor capping ability. They loose because capping shrines is the key in there.
The only good mob tactic would be to let the other team take the rez shrine, and make sure you have some good kills already. Stand out of cap range and kill them as they rez.
If you are running off as the monk to cap something else good. A few smarter players will notice the monk is leaving and follow you. The others will use group think and keep mobbing.
Offatwork
05-09-2008, 08:21
There are also advantages in trying to stall a mob with your small group as well.
When facing a mob and your team is at your shrine, there is a good chance that you are going to lose that shrine. However, sometimes its best not to just let them have it. For example, a shrine being attacked by a mob will realistically have at most 3-4 people actively trying to cap it (casters will be in back trying to fend off your team and not actively moving in to help cap it). Even if they have more people, say five, that means that for the however many people above four people is there, really only equates to one or two people capping. So if your team is at your shrine and there are only really three to four people trying to take it from you (even if there is more) then that means that you are putting people out of the game, more than your team. Now if you can hold onto it for as long as you can before calling a retreat, you can slow the capping speed of a mob even more. The trick is to figure out when to call the retreat.
Again, as to everything, there is a counter in tactics. If people start realizing what is happening and start moving in to help cap, you ether have to focus on those people (try to drive them back) or just fall back altogether. They bested you and you did all you could to prevent a capture at your shrine, good job. However if they start killing off your teammates, then you failed. So figure out when your team loses control of the fight and fall back so this doesn't happen.
I know there are times to fight the mob such as when you are on the opposing team's map and hav capped the two middle shrines(only with a team of four of course) but still, just proves mobbing is probably the worst strategy someone could come up with, even if sometimes happens by accident.
Best thing to do is to run away from a big group of your own team as well as from the opposing team.
Offatwork
06-09-2008, 18:55
I know there are times to fight the mob such as when you are on the opposing team's map and hav capped the two middle shrines(only with a team of four of course) but still, just proves mobbing is probably the worst strategy someone could come up with, even if sometimes happens by accident.
Best thing to do is to run away from a big group of your own team as well as from the opposing team.
Its really only good when it is used to just overpower a shrine then split up.
4v6 at res srhin in grenz we killed them easily and 4 of them left. easy win against........noobs, mobbing! never would hav guessed:)
raspberry jam
12-09-2008, 10:42
Its really only good when it is used to just overpower a shrine then split up.I noticed it's good on some maps and very bad on others, it seems good on Saltspray Beach if you take the central area.
I noticed it's good on some maps and very bad on others, it seems good on Saltspray Beach if you take the central area.
there r times 2 fight the mob, but the only time to mob, and ill stand by this no matter wat any1 says is when u hav capped every single shrine and u r just waitin outside their spawn to kill them.
Simply Kedde
12-09-2008, 22:08
By then it doesn't really count as a mob as no teams I've ever encountered had an intelligence level allowing them to not walk out one by one.
Wethospu
14-09-2008, 21:58
Mobbing is crazy!
I clear the shrine alone and then big mob comes to cap it. I'm like "WTF". (Yes, they all were standing there, like 8 guys)
Then I run away and they start following me.
Luckily I realized to stop and they run past me.
One of the worst moments in my life!
Ugly Betty
15-09-2008, 21:36
the most memorable moments in AB i've had - and there are few - came when there was mob vs mob. this is truly Guild Wars.
as a strategy in AB mobs suck but as a venue for mindless fun and p'owning the many noobs who do mob it is a great way to relax before that HA battle.
Simply Kedde
15-09-2008, 23:43
Antagonizing people in ab truly is great fun. The incredible mindless stupidity shines through every time and makes it all the more fun.
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Antillio
05-10-2008, 11:45
in some maps the shrines are close enough together for a mob to make a circle in the map and undo all the capping the 3 solo teams do.
That plus eventually the solo groups will meet the mob and fight it and lose offourse. I think any1 can agree that if yer not with guildies you tend to have ppl that cannot fight the urge to attack a mob knowing it's completely useless. A mob = win mostly because of other ppl's stupidity or ignorance , then again it works why not use it ?
Simply Kedde
05-10-2008, 14:40
Because relying on others to be complete retards is possibly one of the worst strategies you can come up with for obvious reasons.
Because relying on others to be complete retards is possibly one of the worst strategies you can come up with for obvious reasons.
All i can say is, well said.
Erring Ryft
17-10-2008, 07:48
Because relying on others to be complete retards is possibly one of the worst strategies you can come up with for obvious reasons.
On the other hand, if you do rely on people to be complete retards, odds are you'll be right most of the time.
Simply Kedde
17-10-2008, 11:02
You'll still be dumb, and you'll lose hard when you actually come up against people who have the slightest bit of common sense.
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