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Indigo Montari
07-10-2008, 04:49
The Ascalon royals and their fate ...

I dug out the manuscript and a single word caught my eye while reading the pages on Adelbern and Rurik and what we now know what has befallen and will happen to those two, the book refers to the prince as the kings "eldest" son. This has got me to wonder about Rurik and his sibling/s Who he or is there more?. I could go in to a big study and present a theory but its more fun to see what you all have to say about this. Could we see a descendant of the royal ascalon line in GW2?

Have fun with this one

-Indy

Konig Des Todes
07-10-2008, 04:56
First, that's a nice catch, but afaik there is no mention of a sibling in-game.

Second, Adelbern is the last king of Ascalon, as described in the Ecology of the Charr.


Adding to their troubles, human resistance continued, as powerful heroes among the Ascalonians fought back against the Charr occupation of Ascalon. Battling their own deterioration as well as the human army, the Charr constricted their control until the humans had but one single stronghold–Ascalon City.

For more than thirty years, the Charr and the Ascalonians fought, back and forth, on the grounds surrounding the city. Led by their aging king, Adelbern, the humans fought valiantly, but at last the walls of Ascalon City fell and the Charr invaded the city proper. Yet, even in their moment of ultimate victory, the Charr were thwarted by human magic.

Although the Charr are still uncertain what magic Adelbern called upon in his moment of defeat, those within the city recall seeing a gout of sword-shaped flame descend from the highest tower as a white, burning head swept the city streets. It devastated the invaders. Once this heat wave was gone, the spirits of the defeated Ascalonian soldiers rose, their spectral forms bearing ghostly weapons–and the Charr were forced to abandon the city.

Ascalon City has never been retaken, and the ghosts of Adelbern’s forces roam the land still, fighting their ancient enemy at every turn. The king sits upon his throne within the shattered city, his ghostly form issuing orders and commands to an army of spectral dead. The Charr solidified their control over Ascalon, from their original lands in the north all the way back to the merging of the two mountain ranges at the edge of the Crystal Desert in the south, but Ascalon City forever eluded their grasp.

Adelbern is the last king of Ascalon, and we will be *hopefully* able to see his ghost in GW2.


Interesting thought: What if Rurik did have a brother/sister, and that sibling, after Prophecies but before Adelbern's magic, moved over to Kryta, and eventually intermarried with the Krytan Royalty? *Would prove to be a good political move, both have royal blood and if Ascalon succeeded in the war against the Charr, the Krytan Royalty would have a say to Ascalon's throne*.

La Jaffa
07-10-2008, 10:43
Well you can say that there is ascalonian influances in the democracy in future Kryta, refugee's from all around the globe are there and they have people who represent them, so it could be that a decendent of one of Ruriks brothers or sisters are at that democracy,or just a dude from the settlements, or a decendent of captain Greywind.

Jair of the Forest
07-10-2008, 17:22
Adelbern is the last king of Ascalon, and we will be *hopefully* able to see his ghost in GW2.


That doesn't mean he is the last of his line does it?

La Jaffa
07-10-2008, 17:48
yes it actualy does, His eldest Son died and the others we dont know what happened, so if he is the only one left and kills himself then he is the last known king of ascalon.

Konig Des Todes
07-10-2008, 19:00
That doesn't mean he is the last of his line does it?


yes it actualy does, His eldest Son died and the others we dont know what happened, so if he is the only one left and kills himself then he is the last known king of ascalon.

Last of the line, no.

Last King of Ascalon, yes.

His "line" will continue, depending on what happens to rurik's siblings, but there will be no more Kings of Ascalon.

Karn the Betrayer
07-10-2008, 19:24
um since when did rurik have a brother/sister?

Karuro
07-10-2008, 19:29
um since when did rurik have a brother/sister?
Same can be said about Adelbern's wife.

It's just that the manuscripts say he was the Eldest son, suggesting that he has younger siblings, even though we never see them.

Konig Des Todes
07-10-2008, 22:05
um since when did rurik have a brother/sister?

Yesh, Karn, you should pay a bit more attention to the OP. He said where he got his info. And as Karuro said, it never mentions Adelbern's wife. Not much is said in-game about the current Ascalon Royals in terms of family members, just the two and how Adelbern became king.

Barinthus
09-10-2008, 05:29
According to in-game lore, Adelbern was not of the royal blood. Duke Barradin was. Apparently he was favored over the Duke over the perceived corruption of the royal family in Ascalon.

According to the Prophecies game manual, Adelbern was descended from King Doric but in-game he is not of the nobility. Someone took time to make a thread explaining it's possible that a large percentage of current Tyrian populace is descended from Doric anyway.

Konig Des Todes
09-10-2008, 06:00
The reason why Adelbern became king was because he was favored... as a hero of ascalon (and part of the guild "Ascalon's Chosen").

And this thread you mentioned about doric's descendants all over... I must find it o.O I see no evidence to that. And with his blood being the key, I would assume they'd make it a family tradition to not "spread the seed" around too much, much like how royal families in the past didn't want to "taint their bloodline" with peasants and whatnot.

RiverRush
04-10-2009, 20:49
How does Adelburn, The king who banished Rurik, die?:soapbox:

Sir Jack
04-10-2009, 22:43
How does Adelburn, The king who banished Rurik, die?:soapbox:

It's clearly stated he used some kind of weird spell turning all of Ascalon City into ghosts. Think "The Army of the Dead" from the Lord of the Rings movies.

Harjubal od Uo
05-10-2009, 04:09
Have they ever stated whom Princess Selma ends up marrying?

Konig Des Todes
05-10-2009, 07:05
Salma* and no. But chances are, it's not another royal member. Adelbern's line ended with Rurik according to the Movement, and to marry a Krytan royal would be incest (doubt Anet would bring that up in a Tenn game), and Orrians seem to keep their heritage a secret.

Harjubal od Uo
06-10-2009, 00:32
Thanks, Konig. Sorry for the misspelling; it's been a while since I've played.

Mr Sobani
23-06-2011, 19:38
Hmm , If Ruric does not have a decadent and he is as the Motw says the last on the line of King Adelbern ( Which also stared with him since he's not original Royal blood) then how will the Ghosts of ascalon ever find rest?

This is all besides the point of the fact that Sothohin is not in human possession at the moment ( cant find the spoiler button but the true lore folks will know what/who i mean)
The only member of Royal blood left in Tyria is Queen Jennah and i do not believe shell get
Sothohin so easily.

Sorry if i went a bit off topic ,

CHIPS
24-06-2011, 03:57
Last of the line, no.

Last King of Ascalon, yes.

His "line" will continue, depending on what happens to rurik's siblings, but there will be no more Kings of Ascalon.

Agreed. Ascalon is no more. His sons will become king of Ebonhawke.