View Full Version : Coming back and umm... some general questions...
Hey all, I haven't played GW in pretty much like 5 years - to the point where I had 5 birthday gifts on my 20 W/Mo and 5 gifts on my 20 A/Me. When my A/Me reached 20, I remember that my W/Mo had his first birthday and I sold his gift pretty quickly since it was a trading frenzy on that day, and I got quite a lot of money (around 60kg or something IIRC).
I am pretty sure my gifts are going to be worth a ****load since it's stuff coming all the way from 2006 to ... well, now. I just want to get a general estimate on how much these things are actually worth. If the price ranges vary so greatly from one possible item from a gift to another in the same yearly gifts, then I'll post a list so I can get some real numbers posted here.
I did talk a bit in a relatively slow general channel (oh, and people don't put up their WTS ads into trade chat? lame...) and asked if my stuff was worth anything. Someone told me yes because they are both collectors' stuff AND a bunch of GW2 players would actually buy them to use for their HoM or whatever.
The HoM is actually what got me back into GW2. I decided I'd mess around a bit and see if I could do anything about my HoM, hoping to get a small headstart in GW2. How are these 'miniature' items used for the HoM, and what bonuses can they bring?
Right after typing up the last paragraph, I decided to actually click on stuff at this link:
http://hom.guildwars2.com/en/#page=main&details=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A
I'm a bit confused... I must have been away from GW for too long (must be, since I don't remember crap about the game except for the Charr invasions or whatever in the Prophecies storyline, and the fact that you cant jump or swim! lol) but I really don't know what these statues are. Are they in fact the things I have, or...? I remember some of the icons said to double click to bring them out (like a companion pet in WoW), so.. just wondering about how the HoM works, and how I can advance through it.
Thanks in advance.
Also any general tweaks or game-changing mechanics (both PVE and PVP) ever since Factions would be cool to know.
Well I'd hold on to the mini pets from the gifts if I were you, since they can be added to your hall of monuments.
To add stuff to your hom, you have to have the expansion. The hom is a small instance you can access from the 'eye of the north' outpost. So just add your mini pets/armor/etc to the hom that way and progress will start showing on your hom calculator. (it updates when you log off the game)
Also, for trading, the best outpost to sell things at is Kamadan, and for current prices you should check the gwestimator: http://argos-soft.net/GwEstimator/
Hope it helped.. =]
Fluffball
18-05-2011, 02:32
I'm gussing you don't have the 3rd campaign, Nightfall, and the expansion, Eye of the North? EotN is where the Hall of Monuments is. It's pretty much the first thing you find, and you earn tapestries as you complete various storylines in that game.
If you need/want to get those games look for a bundle deal, they should be dirt cheap.
As far as major changes since Factions came out... uh......:shocked: you might as well just start playing as though this is an entirely new game.
Well I'd hold on to the mini pets from the gifts if I were you, since they can be added to your hall of monuments.
To add stuff to your hom, you have to have the expansion. The hom is a small instance you can access from the 'eye of the north' outpost. So just add your mini pets/armor/etc to the hom that way and progress will start showing on your hom calculator. (it updates when you log off the game)
Also, for trading, the best outpost to sell things at is Kamadan, and for current prices you should check the gwestimator: http://argos-soft.net/GwEstimator/
Hope it helped.. =]
Thanks for the info! Will be keeping these mini's to myself now.
I'm gussing you don't have the 3rd campaign, Nightfall, and the expansion, Eye of the North? EotN is where the Hall of Monuments is. It's pretty much the first thing you find, and you earn tapestries as you complete various storylines in that game.
If you need/want to get those games look for a bundle deal, they should be dirt cheap.
As far as major changes since Factions came out... uh......:shocked: you might as well just start playing as though this is an entirely new game.
I plan on buying Nightfall and perhaps Eye of the North, but there are some questions I'd like to ask first. I am playing this game with a friend, and we plan to just start playing Prophecies, then Factions, then Nightfall, and then we'd really get to work on the HoM after that.
We were wondering if we would 'miss' any progress on the HoM if we didn't buy EotN until we completed the Nightfall campaign. I noticed this comment in your post:
you earn tapestries as you complete various storylines in that game
Do you mean 'that game' as in EotN in particular, as in we HAVE to finish stuff in that specific expansion to even progress at all in HoM, meaning that the Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall campaigns are completely irrelevant to working on the HoM, and thus we could wait until buying the EotN expansion until after Nightfall is completed/beat by us? If not, I assume we should buy EotN right NOW before playing Prophecies so we get more 'achievements' or whatever to help advance the HoM.
Cartomancer
18-05-2011, 03:54
We were wondering if we would 'miss' any progress on the HoM if we didn't buy EotN until we completed the Nightfall campaign.You won't miss any progress if you play Nightfall first - you can't work on any EotN-specific titles in Nightfall, and vice versa. So you can play Nightfall or any other campaign first, and then just add whatever titles you've achieved in your Hall of Monuments when you buy the EotN expansion.
But you will need to have EotN to access your Hall of Monuments and to gain any advantage of your titles in GW2. Another good thing about buying EotN is that you get some pretty useful skills and more heroes, but you won't need those to beat the other campaigns obviously.
Do you mean 'that game' as in EotN in particular, as in we HAVE to finish stuff in that specific expansion to even progress at all in HoM, meaning that the Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall campaigns are completely irrelevant to working on the HoM, and thus we could wait until buying the EotN expansion until after Nightfall is completed/beat by us?
You'll need to play some quests in EotN to get tapestries that are used to "unlock" the 5 monuments. For example you'll have to use a tapestry to unlock the Monument of Devotion before you can add your mini-pets in your HoM. So, you can work on your Prophecies/Factions/Nightfall titles and play these campaigns first, and then just add those titles in your HoM later.
He want eotn in particular. Buying EoTN last should not hinder you in any way, after all that's the order in which they were released (proph -> factions -> nf -> eotn)
Once you guy eotn and step into your hall, you'll be able to add all the titles (and armor, and minis) for the campaigns.
So in short... no, you don't really need to buy eotn until you want it, you'll be able to add everything retroactively. As another piece of advice, I'd buy eotn or nf right now but for a different reason. They provide heroes, which are npcs that you customize. It makes the other two games easier to go through =)
edit: ninja'd! Also, the hom/tapestries/monuments/statues/etc will make more sense once you step into your hall.
To add to everybody's take:
You can't access the HoM without EotN and you will need to play through the whole EotN storyline to unlock the monuments inside the HoM.
However, if you look at the "Honor" (or Titles) monument, you'll notice that titles earned through playing Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall do count towards your HoM. To accumulate points towards the HoM, you'll need to "register" accomplishments (titles) or items (minipets, armor, hero armor, elite weapons, etc.) in the HoM.
To go back to your original post, minipets are strictly vanity items. They do not "do" anything while playing. However, they can be dedicated (or added or registered, it's all the same thing) in the HoM for points (and more points means more items in GW2). They can only be dedicated once (and thus lose quite a bit of value once dedicated since the other person cannot dedicate them for their own HoM).
To add to everybody's take:
You can't access the HoM without EotN and you will need to play through the whole EotN storyline to unlock the monuments inside the HoM.
However, if you look at the "Honor" (or Titles) monument, you'll notice that titles earned through playing Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall do count towards your HoM. To accumulate points towards the HoM, you'll need to "register" accomplishments (titles) or items (minipets, armor, hero armor, elite weapons, etc.) in the HoM.
To go back to your original post, minipets are strictly vanity items. They do not "do" anything while playing. However, they can be dedicated (or added or registered, it's all the same thing) in the HoM for points (and more points means more items in GW2). They can only be dedicated once (and thus lose quite a bit of value once dedicated since the other person cannot dedicate them for their own HoM).
While I do have a good amount of minipets, I remember getting some kind of a potion out of one of my birthday gifts. It had endless uses and made me into some kind of a black woman with somewhat revealing clothes. Can that be used towards getting points in the HoM or no?
Ah... you've got yourself a 6 years old character in there. :)
What you've received is a 6th-birthday everlasting tonic (no minipets for toons aged 6 or more). It has a lot of value (since those have been introduced this year) and does not count for the HoM. Perfect if you want to replenish your finances.
Ah... you've got yourself a 6 years old character in there. :)
What you've received is a 6th-birthday everlasting tonic (no minipets for toons aged 6 or more). It has a lot of value (since those have been introduced this year) and does not count for the HoM. Perfect if you want to replenish your finances.
Yeah, my W/Mo is 6 years old, my A/Me is 5.
So how much do these things go for?
Depends. The GWEstimator referred to above can help you figure it out. I've seen 30ish ectos for white tonics though (abbreviation for everlasting tonic would be EL). Just type in the name of the Tonic (i.e. Xandra Tonic) and you should see what kind of price people have been offering/requesting for that particular tonic in the past few days.
I have my own noob question for eveybody: if I see the price is 35e, does it mean it's 100k+35e or just the 35e?
Depends. The GWEstimator referred to above can help you figure it out. I've seen 30ish ectos for white tonics though (abbreviation for everlasting tonic would be EL). Just type in the name of the Tonic (i.e. Xandra Tonic) and you should see what kind of price people have been offering/requesting for that particular tonic in the past few days.
I have my own noob question for eveybody: if I see the price is 35e, does it mean it's 100k+35e or just the 35e?
What's an ecto? :/
An ecto is a rare material that's worth ~7k it is used for transactions that are more than 100k since that's the limit on how much money an individual character can carry (and trade)
Re: 35e means 35e and 100k+35e means 100k+35e =)
Sent from my G2. lulz what typos?
The Pointless
19-05-2011, 19:26
What's an ecto? :/
Globs of Ectoplasm (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Glob_of_Ectoplasm), if you want the full item name. :smiley:
They drop primarily in the Underworld and are used for a top-end armour set and Chaos gloves. They also ended up being used by players as currency for large transactions, too.
[EDIT] Eek, a ninja! :shocked:
A glob of ectoplasm, which is often used as an alternative to larger amounts of money (to avoid problems caused by the limit of 100 platinum on a character at once).
Edit: Eek, two ninjas.
Hmm... Melonni Tonic (red) and it's like 15e, not bad... but I can't help but think that 15e is sorta worthless. What could I buy with 105k?
How much money can a storage chest hold? Can it hold over 100k? Unlimited?
Also, would it be smart to sell off my more rare miniatures (so far I have a Jora, which is gold lettering, and a Elf, which is purple lettering).
Also... if I can't get to Ramadan or whatever that popular trading place is, how do I trade then? How do I even get people to buy my tonic (and perhaps some non-white miniatures)?
EDIT: Also, is there an option I can enable to ALWAYS show NPC/Player/etc names? I'm getting annoyed at having to press alt..
EDIT: Also, I'm not sure which salvage kit I should ALWAYS use. It sounds like the Expert Salvage Kit is something I should use, but there's the Superior.
Chest can hold 500k
If you want to work on your HoM, I'd hold on to 1 purple, 1 gold, 1 green mini among the 50 you'll need to max that monument.
You can do some trade in Lion's Arch and the Great Temple of Balthazar (Kamadan is in Nightfall and the starting city at that, so quite easy to find). You can also get into a guild ans sell to your allies :P
AFAIK, you'll have to keep pressing Alt to show the NPC names, but you'll get so you remember where the main services (chest and merchant, mostly) are in each town so it won't be as annoying.
The Salvage kit thing: The Superior and the Expert do the same job. However, the Superior comes off a bit more expensive per use, but has more uses than an Expert kit, so it depends on what's more important: backpack space or money.
What can you buy with 105k? Well, one set of elite (15k) armor for your HoM, to start with. Do note that you don't need the head piece for the armor to count for the HoM, so that'll cost you 60k (or less, depending on the armor). Check both the calculator and the wiki as some armors will give you more points than others.
Also, what is your HoM goal: 30 points? 50 points? Some other number determined by a reward you absolutely want? When you know your goal, it's easier to see how you're going to spread the effort of getting there. In the calculator, you can go in the details of each monument, and in the right-hand column, choose what you're going to do and see where that gets you. For example, I chose what I think you could easily do if you complete all campaigns and get bonus for all missions in Normal Mode:
http://hom.guildwars2.com/en/#page=details&details=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A&todo=EAAAAAAAAQCAgQgAAgDAAAAAABAAAAAAACEIA
As you can see, that gets you 18 points already (though the easier points are the first ones). You've got:
Minipets (3 points)
1 gold mini
1 green mini
Heroes (3 points)
Hero : MOX (he doesn't need a special armor, so he's a free point)
Imperial Phoenix (can be capped after the final mission of Factions)
Titles (8 points)
Finishing all 3 campaigns
Doing all missions and bonus in Normal Mode
Armor (2 points)
Elite Kurzick (or Luxon) armor
Weapons (2 points)
1 Oppressor Weapon
Chest can hold 500k
1000k. :grin:
-T
Oh. Oops! It just shows that I never was that rich :P
Chest can hold 500k
If you want to work on your HoM, I'd hold on to 1 purple, 1 gold, 1 green mini among the 50 you'll need to max that monument.
You can do some trade in Lion's Arch and the Great Temple of Balthazar (Kamadan is in Nightfall and the starting city at that, so quite easy to find). You can also get into a guild ans sell to your allies :P
AFAIK, you'll have to keep pressing Alt to show the NPC names, but you'll get so you remember where the main services (chest and merchant, mostly) are in each town so it won't be as annoying.
The Salvage kit thing: The Superior and the Expert do the same job. However, the Superior comes off a bit more expensive per use, but has more uses than an Expert kit, so it depends on what's more important: backpack space or money.
What can you buy with 105k? Well, one set of elite (15k) armor for your HoM, to start with. Do note that you don't need the head piece for the armor to count for the HoM, so that'll cost you 60k (or less, depending on the armor). Check both the calculator and the wiki as some armors will give you more points than others.
Also, what is your HoM goal: 30 points? 50 points? Some other number determined by a reward you absolutely want? When you know your goal, it's easier to see how you're going to spread the effort of getting there. In the calculator, you can go in the details of each monument, and in the right-hand column, choose what you're going to do and see where that gets you. For example, I chose what I think you could easily do if you complete all campaigns and get bonus for all missions in Normal Mode:
http://hom.guildwars2.com/en/#page=details&details=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A&todo=EAAAAAAAAQCAgQgAAgDAAAAAABAAAAAAACEIA
As you can see, that gets you 18 points already (though the easier points are the first ones). You've got:
Minipets (3 points)
1 gold mini
1 green mini
Heroes (3 points)
Hero : MOX (he doesn't need a special armor, so he's a free point)
Imperial Phoenix (can be capped after the final mission of Factions)
Titles (8 points)
Finishing all 3 campaigns
Doing all missions and bonus in Normal Mode
Armor (2 points)
Elite Kurzick (or Luxon) armor
Weapons (2 points)
1 Oppressor Weapon
Wow, thanks for the information!
Also I got really lucky and found a Black Dye in the Catacombs. I know they are worth 9500g when you get out of pre-searing, but I think they are worth MORE in pre-searing since they are only found, not bought. How much are they worth?
There's no dye trader (a NPC specialized in trading dyes) in Pre-Searing, so you'd have to hang around Ascalon City and check. Don't forget that people aren't as rich in pre-searing as in post-searing, so that influences the price as well as the rarity of the dye.
There's no dye trader (a NPC specialized in trading dyes) in Pre-Searing, so you'd have to hang around Ascalon City and check. Don't forget that people aren't as rich in pre-searing as in post-searing, so that influences the price as well as the rarity of the dye.
Well, I do remember from 5-6 years ago on my Monk pre-sear dye farmer, that black dyes were 8k at the time. This was when leveling past 10 was a massive grind in pre-sear and the highest I ever saw was like 14. A ranger, I think. Anyways, due to the introduction of Langmar's quests and the tons of 10+ and some 20's I've seen around Ascalon City, I assume that the prices have went up since these people must have large amounts of gold after such a loooong grind.
EDIT: Also, should I be using the salvage kit on ANYTHING other than salvage items and identified items with the 'Highly Salvageable' modifier? Should I use it on random white items like Tall Shield or whatever (just an example of a shield I found in Pre).
Unless you really need a specific material, I would not salvage anything else than armor and (maybe) highly salvageable weapons. ID all colored items though, and as soon as you get to an area where foes are level 20ish, ID everything, as even white items will gain enough value to make it worth your while.
Unless you really need a specific material, I would not salvage anything else than armor and (maybe) highly salvageable weapons. ID all colored items though, and as soon as you get to an area where foes are level 20ish, ID everything, as even white items will gain enough value to make it worth your while.
Armor as in actual armor, like hat/chest/pant/boot slot armor? Or are we talking about Armor Kit or whatever as some items are called these and they are 'salvage items', I think.
And... wait, what? White items can be identified? o.O
I mean the armor that drops from enemies, the white stuff that has "Armor: X" and "Salvage Item" in the description. Yeah, white items can be identified, but all you'll get is a price. When the item is low level, the price will be pretty much what the merchant would have offered without identification. When the item reaches "Requires 8 [Attribute]", then you see the price from identification go above the unidentified price by enough to justify the price of identifying the items.
Black Dye is STILL 8kg after 6 years. Unbelievable :o
A quick question, does anyone know if the Hall of Monument rewards are account-based or character-based? For example my character I'm playing right now is an Elementalist, but I don't plan on playing an Elementalist in GW2, would that affect my rewards?
They're both character based and account based =]
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A quick question, does anyone know if the Hall of Monument rewards are account-based or character-based? For example my character I'm playing right now is an Elementalist, but I don't plan on playing an Elementalist in GW2, would that affect my rewards?
No, it wouldn't. Check the HoM Reward calculator (http://hom.guildwars2.com/en/). Whatever you're shown as getting there, you can get for all your GW2 characters regardless of profession.
Also another question about the HoM. Suppose I get some armor set on one of my 20's and it counts towards a HoM point. On another 20, I get some weapon (oppressor/destroyer) and it counts towards a HoM point. If I type either of those names in, would BOTH points show up on my HoM regardless of the fact that I achieved certain stuff on different characters?
EDIT: Also, someone was helping me get to Kamadan (more like showing me around, not running me) and I was just asking about all the heroes he had in his party as we did it. He mentioned something about NOT getting any heroes from the Balthazar faction. I keep fooling around on pvp-only characters while my friend isn't playing and I've always been cautious about accepting this.. reward from that Priest of Balthazar [Rewards] guy. I know he gives me like three options but I remember seeing 'Koss, the warrior' in one of the options, and I happened to notice the name of Koss from the hero list on the HoM. Was this guy trolling me or something? He said it was bugged and that "he wouldnt get any of the heroes".
The HoM calculator will report all accomplishments across the account. So if one character puts an armor in the HoM while another on the same account puts in a weapon, then both will show up on the calculator, regardless of which character name you use. I'll report everything on the account.
With regards to heroes, I think you're mixing a few things. Heroes can be unlocked (sort of like skills) for PvP characters using Balthazar factions. However, they will NOT be available for your PvE characters using factions, even if you spend factions on that character. PvE characters must obtain heroes through normal storyline progression, and each PvE character must do the same to acquire heroes.
For HoM, you must first acquire a hero, then give them an armor upgrade. See the wiki entry Fellowship (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Fellowship%22) for more details.
-T
The HoM calculator will report all accomplishments across the account. So if one character puts an armor in the HoM while another on the same account puts in a weapon, then both will show up on the calculator, regardless of which character name you use. I'll report everything on the account.
With regards to heroes, I think you're mixing a few things. Heroes can be unlocked (sort of like skills) for PvP characters using Balthazar factions. However, they will NOT be available for your PvE characters using factions, even if you spend factions on that character. PvE characters must obtain heroes through normal storyline progression, and each PvE character must do the same to acquire heroes.
For HoM, you must first acquire a hero, then give them an armor upgrade. See the wiki entry Fellowship (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Fellowship%22) for more details.
-T
So it would be 'harmless' to pick one of the rewards, right?
Cartomancer
21-05-2011, 15:35
Well, it won't do you any harm I suppose, but it's still a waste of Balthazar faction for a PvE character. You'll get most of the heroes pretty early on in the game anyway, so in my opinion you should spend your Balthazar faction on better things.
The reason you could get heroes with faction was for PvP characters, back when there was a PvP mode that used heroes. But that mode has since been removed, making PvP heroes useless. So while it won't "harm" you, it's wasted faction that you could have used otherwise to unlock skills (which your heroes can use) or even get zkeys (which are worth good money on the market).
Unlock heroes on a PvE char via the storyline, upgrade them, then bring them to HoM. That's the only way to go about it.
Also, the HoM gives you the option to see your account-based achievements in-game by talking to the NPC that stands near the exit. The only reason to get your achievements on one character (specifically titles) would be if you aim to get GWAMM. GWAMM is an extra title you get for unlocking 30 titles using the same character (including account-wide titles), and that title transfers to GW2 as well.
The reason you could get heroes with faction was for PvP characters, back when there was a PvP mode that used heroes. But that mode has since been removed, making PvP heroes useless. So while it won't "harm" you, it's wasted faction that you could have used otherwise to unlock skills (which your heroes can use) or even get zkeys (which are worth good money on the market).
Unlock heroes on a PvE char via the storyline, upgrade them, then bring them to HoM. That's the only way to go about it.
Also, the HoM gives you the option to see your account-based achievements in-game by talking to the NPC that stands near the exit. The only reason to get your achievements on one character (specifically titles) would be if you aim to get GWAMM. GWAMM is an extra title you get for unlocking 30 titles using the same character (including account-wide titles), and that title transfers to GW2 as well.
Well, it won't do you any harm I suppose, but it's still a waste of Balthazar faction for a PvE character. You'll get most of the heroes pretty early on in the game anyway, so in my opinion you should spend your Balthazar faction on better things.
I don't think I'm using any faction to unlock the heroes? I'm not at the interface where I unlock skills, runes, etc with Balth faction. It looks like a quest reward interface where I can select a reward. It just doesn't seem like I'd be using my faction to get the hero.
EDIT: Also, I'm not sure how it works, but where can I unlock stuff with balth faction on a pvp-only char? I went to the Ascalon Arena in the very first town after pre-searing and I was able to unlock stuff on my level 7 E/Me, but... I have yet to find a similar thing for my pvp only chars.
Can you put more than one of the same miniature into the Hall of Monuments?
Yeah, you shouldn't be using your balth faction to unlock heroes, as they become accessible through questing.
To unlock stuff in pvp, you should go to Great Temple of Balthazar, there's a balth faction rewards npc near the zaishen quests.
Yes, you can put two of the same on your hom (on two separate characters) but it does you no good. Only one will be counted towards your hom calculator.
Yeah, you shouldn't be using your balth faction to unlock heroes, as they become accessible through questing.
But that's the thing, it's a quest reward. It doesn't say anywhere on the box that I'm spending any faction points to get them.
Since you people cannot comprehend this after 2-3 posts, I have to take screenshots and visually show you what I'm speaking of.
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll195/nakieon/Gw2011-05-2212-53-44-97-1.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll195/nakieon/Gw2011-05-2212-54-24-39.jpg
They are two totally different UIs, and I explained this earlier.
Does the first picture take up faction points or not?
I don't recall ever seeing the first dialogue.
From the wording, it doesn't look like it'll use up your Balth Faction.
I have never seen that dialogue box either, but I am 100% sure that this would only unlock the hero for your account, not for your character.
Also, let's have a look at what he's offering.
Koss, Dunkoro - can be gained as heroes for any non-Elonian in a matter of 2 minutes upon arrival in Kamadan.
Jin - takes slightly longer, but should be yours in a matter of half an hour at most, if you follow the quest markers. (Unless you select the elementalist; in that case, she's yours automatically after you've finished Nightfall.)
Feel free to try what happens in the first dialogue box and you're welcome to waste some faction points in the second dialogue box if you don't believe all of us. It's only a few k of gold you're wasting, essentially. Balthazar faction should be converted into skills or more importantly into zaishen keys, which are worth about 5k each.
Btw: fascinating how Norgu would cost 3k faction, while Goren would cost 6k faction, isn't it? Devs must've been smoking crack when they set these prices.
I have never seen that dialogue box either, but I am 100% sure that this would only unlock the hero for your account, not for your character.
Also, let's have a look at what he's offering.
Koss, Dunkoro - can be gained as heroes for any non-Elonian in a matter of 2 minutes upon arrival in Kamadan.
Jin - takes slightly longer, but should be yours in a matter of half an hour at most, if you follow the quest markers. (Unless you select the elementalist; in that case, she's yours automatically after you've finished Nightfall.)
Feel free to try what happens in the first dialogue box and you're welcome to waste some faction points in the second dialogue box if you don't believe all of us. It's only a few k of gold you're wasting, essentially. Balthazar faction should be converted into skills or more importantly into zaishen keys, which are worth about 5k each.
Btw: fascinating how Norgu would cost 3k faction, while Goren would cost 6k faction, isn't it? Devs must've been smoking crack when they set these prices.
Never said I didn't in any of my posts. I just wanted clarification on the quest reward box. So should I be picking one of them to unlock them for my account or...? I really don't know wtf to do with the quest reward.
Accept one of them, keep and eye on your Balthazar Faction before and after, and keep up updated. :smiley:
Akirai Annuvil
24-05-2011, 10:16
Btw: fascinating how Norgu would cost 3k faction, while Goren would cost 6k faction, isn't it? Devs must've been smoking crack when they set these prices.
Or they just wanted to make the first Mesmer hero available at a cheaper price than the second Warrior hero (which also neatly explains why the second Monk hero Tahlk is 6k, while the first Monk hero Dunk is 3k).
Yes, I wondered about Tahlkora and Dunkoro as well. It somehow suggests that one of the two is "better" than the other, doesn't it?
How expensive is Gwen? What about Jora?
I only know that Keiran Pimpdaddy is at 7777 faction (because I refuse to recruit him.)
After mining through the wiki, here's the answer: all EotN heroes are 3k faction to unlock.
Source: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Balthazar_faction#Unlocking_items
But that's the thing, it's a quest reward. It doesn't say anywhere on the box that I'm spending any faction points to get them.
Ok, I've never seen that either, but that wiki page above says: "No cost: Acolyte Jin, Koss, Dunkoro: Unknown, can be unlocked for free after completing the training arenas"
It looks like those are freebies, and I would bet they are freebie account unlocks. Which means that you won't be able to PvE with them (unless you unlock them in PvE). So... there's no good reason to cash in that reward. But there's also no good reason not to.
Like explained above, unlocking those chars in PvE is pretty trivial anyway.
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