Chronicles of Tyrian Palaeolography, 5th Edition

[JeanDeathwish]

Or maybe you were like me and were annoyed by most of the videos and just hit skip in hopes of others to follow...

[Yozhura]

First, is the second set of effigies raised by the charr a figure of mursaat, or that of the lich?

Personally, I believed it was of mursaat until a second inspection. I am now almost entirely convinced that that effigy is that of the lich, which would make sense. According to the story, the lich has two years between the searing and the beginning of our story to impress the charr and convince them he is a God, which would make sense seeing that he is a lich and all, and I do not recall seeing such effigies in presearing while charr hunting the area outside piken square, although I do believe I saw one resembling a titan, though I'm not sure, my memory doesn't serve well.

Also, I don't think the Charr were able to see the mursaat so how could they make an effigy of them?

And, yes, there is a titan effigy in pre-searing.

[-Kaia-]

Also, I don't think the Charr were able to see the mursaat so how could they make an effigy of them?

I agree since i seriously doubt any of the charr have ascended :P

BTW where is this lich/mursaat effigy?

[Dria El]

P.s the merchant in Ring of fire his name is Gnik' ekaj
i think his real name is King Jake spelled back wards.

Or, Jake King.

Edit #1: And another thing, in the Riverside Province mission, after you give the Vizier the sceptor, he summons some undead to fight by your side and tells you not to fear them because through the sceptor they are controlled by him. So, it's not just the Titans that are controlled by the sceptor. Well, unless he lied about it being the sceptor that is doing the controlling (since he IS a known liar).

Edit #2: I went back and was looking at the runes. My first impressions of the "Unknown Wilds Runes" were that they were elements. Though I'm not sure why there'd only be 3 elements in a world that uses 4. Unless, originally there were only 3 and the 4th is a later mastery. Just a thought. . .

And something else you should consider about the Ascalon/Kryta Runes is that the older set looks more ornate than the later set. It might be that with the searing of Ascalon, some of the 'oomph' in the once beautiful, booming society was lost as well so they just started using more simplified versions.

It also could just be a natural progression in lettering. Most alphabets go through that to some degree over time.

[the Unknown]

About the dragons lair and Glint. I do think there is more behind Glint since if i readed the book right that i did get with the game Glint was one of the first creation even before the serpents. And i did read somewhere that maybe the ascalon soldiers where the one that came with devona and here crew because the also whent to glint since the are in the fire island.

But good luck with the great work

[-Kaia-]

And i did read somewhere that maybe the ascalon soldiers where the one that came with devona and here crew because the also whent to glint since the are in the fire island.

But good luck with the great work

yeah that seems a likely explanation for the dead ascalon soldiers.
What i don't understand is how that bunch of dumb henches managed to get that far :P

[Rob Van Der Sloot]

Ok, so the Charr made their way underneath the Shiverpeaks through the catecombs. That makes perfect sense since we know the Charr discovered the catecombs at some point before the Searing.

And I think it's safe so assume the Charr cannot Ascend, and there for not see the Mursaat. So in that case the other effigies must resemble the Lich. Before the Searing we never see any effigies of that kind, only effigies of the Titans. As seen in the first episode of Miya and Malafide. The effigies of the Lich only appeared after the Searing. This does raise another question. Why did the Charr make effigies of the Lich only after the Searing? Why not before? If he appeared to them pretending to be a god, and gave them the power for the Searing, then surely they would have made effigies of him before the Searing aswell?

By the way, the Lich effigies can be found during the Surmia mission I believe, but they are also north of Frontier Gate if I'm not mistaken. Once again, don't confuse them with the Titan effigies as seen in the movie. (Or found right outside the gate when you enter the Nolani mission.)

The corpses of Ascalon soldiers are probably of the party that accompanied Devona, Mhenlo and the rest. I guess they simply failed some of the facets. The corpses are still fresh, so Devona and her crew probably just ascended before you did.

[Eratimus]

I agree since i seriously doubt any of the charr have ascended :P

BTW where is this lich/mursaat effigy?

I have it in the 1st documentation thread down near the bottom and see my comparison of them with the Mursaat. You can walk out the Gredrich Courthourse and walk right and will see one of them.

[Eratimus]

Or, Jake King.

Edit #2: I went back and was looking at the runes. My first impressions of the "Unknown Wilds Runes" were that they were elements. Though I'm not sure why there'd only be 3 elements in a world that uses 4. Unless, originally there were only 3 and the 4th is a later mastery. Just a thought. . .

The original image shows three of those stone stumps yous ee the glyph on, each have the same 3 on othem.

It is a bit of a difficulty figuring out those origins. Yes, they could be elemental, but the actual glyph dont reallly refer to elements. You have a dragon, you have a triangle, you have a cross. I think there is more to it then that. But, I am still abit at a lost as I have not seen the images anywhere.

The dragon could be Rotscale or Glint. The triangle could refer to the Eye of Janthir or the Triangle found on the bloodstone. The cross well could refer to ascension or making things right?

Perhaps the three could refer to the prophecies themselves? Glint fortells of the use of the Eye of Janthir, which leads the Chosen to ascension?

And something else you should consider about the Ascalon/Kryta Runes is that the older set looks more ornate than the later set. It might be that with the searing of Ascalon, some of the 'oomph' in the once beautiful, booming society was lost as well so they just started using more simplified versions.

It also could just be a natural progression in lettering. Most alphabets go through that to some degree over time.

When you refer to these runes perhaps you are refering to the "Common" runes? All the runes you see in this style are of the same type it would seem. Also, you see these runes on Druid spires, the Ascalon flag, Charr flag, banners in Bergen Hotspring pennants, EVEN on the base of statues outside of the Tomb of Kings. Although the same grouping of runes are found above the statues aswell.

There has to be some over arcing use for them? PHERHAPS the Common runes were actually the language of the gods?

It would make sense to edtch them on Druid spires, inscribe parts of the Tomb of Kings, as well as the other locations I stated. This is the only real way I can see all these ppls using or displaying the glyph.

[Eratimus]

We find two emblems in use by the Ascalonians.

A crest depicting a sword and shield found ona momument by the Fountain in Ascalon City, and on the back of Rurik's cape and the four wings found on the Shield of the Wings, and on the banner bordered by Common runes.

One of these must depict the crest of Ascalon, and if so, what does the other show?



We know the emblem of the White Mantle, could the Lion Shield depict the true throne of Kryta/Lion's Arch?



You all be the judge and let me know what you think.