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I had always throught the Charrs worships the Titans. The Charrs' burning statues looks 99.99% like a Burning Titan.
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"Possible Spoiler" - not sure anymore
What about Glint?
Dragon/Seer.
Wasn’t she the one who prophesied the flame seeker prophecies?
Need confermation.
What role does she play in all this and will we see her again?
I think she is more then she seems.
Is she the last of the great serpents?
I think they refer to dragons when they talk about serpents.
More Questions than answers.
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I found this very interesting. I hadn't concidered the Mursaat giving the Charr that power but to me it seems contrary to your other findings and what we know and see of the Charr worshiping the Titans.Originally Posted by Eratimus
I see the above image not as a symbol of worship but more as a ritual execution... or a something depicting what they will do to thier enemies. Like burning a witch, using the fire to kill those who stand in thier way.
The first through forth editions... are the available for reading? Or do they contain the same information that is avilable in this edition?
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I was playing with my new monk char when I noticed he had runes all over his armor. I don't know if you guys got these yet. They are on the wanderers armor found in Ascalon. I would post a screen shot but imageshack isn't cooperatiing.
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I'm actually curious as to how you fit the seer into all of this.. you know, the freaky, greyish, floating dude that infuses your armor.
In the cutscene at iron mines of moladune, you hear him/her/it talk about that you are going to do what his entire race could not; destroy the mursaat.
Made me wonder.. where the hell did they come from? I mean, there's no mention of either race ever being in tyria, besides what Saul D'Alessio told the Krytans.
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I think that the Mursaat and the Seer's people are closely connected, like tigers and lions. Both from the same family (Pantherae), but different species (Tigris and Leo).
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[quoote]Originally Posted by Eratimus
The Elonians as you see by the different missions and quest were destroyed by the uncontrolable magic they found in the desert, hence you get the devistation we observe from the spirits. The Elonians were destroyed by the uncontrolable power of the Crystal Shards as we find out by the Ascension trials.
Actually, this is incorrect. The Elonians were destroyed by infighting and by war with the Forgotten. You find this out if you read the histories inscribed at the graves of the three High Priests in Elona Reach. Not many people do because of the time limit.
All the Vision Crystal does is serve a conduit between you and the gods of Tyria, allowing them to focus their gaze upon you more strongly.[/quote]
Actually this is incorrect. As you find from the Elonia Reach trial you find that they were destroyed by the power found within the Crystal Shards.
It is really unknown how it got tot he Tomb. What I think it could be explains the actions in the story. Perhaps Vizier hid it as far from Orr as he could, putting it in safety in Kryta as he was one of the few survivors of Orr. Though we find out he really wasn't as we find him to be undead.. The White Mantle finds it and begins the story we know. To try to reclaim the Sceptor the Orr and the Lich who is also Vizier marches on Kryta to full fill the Flame Seekers Profecies.why does the scepter of Orr appears inside a tomb in Kryta and not on Orr?
why is it inside and who put it in there? could survivors from Orr actually gotten to kryta but were killed by the white mantle or the mursaat? too many questions .
I too can see this. Makes one really wonder.Finally, just to throw another wrench into the machine... What about the race of the Seer? We hardly know anything about him/her and what his/her race was. We know that the Seer's race fought the Mursaat, but nothing much else. Also, am I the only one who thinks that the Seer looks awfully LIKE a Mursaat, if you discount the extra two arms? It has the same facial shape, the same floating off the ground thing, and some wing-like protrusions from the back. Makes me wonder if the Seer's race was a species of Mursaat that split off from the main race untold centuries or even millenia ago.
As tot he races I was refering to human races. This does not include any human races we have not been revealed about yet. I am also missing that second human race from the South that we are told we would see, other then the Cathans/Zaishens
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It is the same info with the new info generally extended either at the bottom of everything.
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I love this thread, good work on the research. But to solve the puzzle we need to sort out fact from speculation. Lets put everything together:
The Seer and his kind fought the Mursaat but were not able to destroy them, most likely the Mursaat succeeded in nearly wiping out the seer and his kind instead, but we cannot confirm this. The origins of both races are unknown, they could be from Cantha, but also from another world for all we know.
The White Mantle are under control of the Mursaat, who also rule most of Kryta. The White Mantle not only have one of the Bloodstones under their control, but they also have the scepter. Oddly however, both the White Mantle and the Mursaat do not seem to use the scepter. In fact it looks more like they try to keep the item locked away. Could it be that the scepter is in fact dangerous to the Mursaat? For those of you who have completed the game, you'll know that the scepter has the power to control the titans, even summon them. We never see the Mursaat and the titans fighting together, so perhaps they can be considered enemies. This would explain why the mursaat do not want the Flame Seeker prophecies to come true. The Lich calls himself "The Flameseeker", thus indicating that he does not only want to make the prophecies come true, but also control these creatures of flames who can destroy all of Tyria if commanded to do so.
The Mursaat also guard the door of Komaly, and they have placed many seals to keep it closed. Only by destroying the seals can the door be opened, thus breaking what ever enchantment the Mursaat had placed there to keep the Titans from being summoned. A sacrifice on top of the bloodstone of the door of Komaly is enough to power the soulbatteries, and close the door again. Could it be that sacrifices are needed to keep the door closed? We know the White Mantle sacrifice the chosen on top of the Bloodstone, probably because the Mursaat order them to do so. But to what purpose? To grant the Mursaat the power to keep the seals intact?
The titans arrise from the ground, but only if summoned and controlled by the scepter of Orr. We can deduct from this that the titans are not a race, but rather a constructed army, created by the same race who made the scepter.
So who made the scepter?
The power of Orr, summoned in the past by Vizier Khilbron, destroyed Orr in an attempt to protect the land from the Charr. Was the scepter also used for this? We know the scepter came from Orr, but did it also destroy Orr? Shouldn't the scepter have been destroyed then aswell, or what it taken to Kryta before that? If so, who took the scepter to Kryta? And could it be that a bloodstone used to exist in Orr? Perhaps the Vizier killed himself to protect the land against the Charr? It would explain why he became the Undead Lich, but it also entirely possible that the Undead Lich simply appears as the Vizier, but is not really him in reality. But if that were to be true, why would he assume the appearence of the Vizier specifically?
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From what I know about the Serpent I believe it refers to the Forgotten:
In the year 1769 BE, after creating most species, the Old Gods charged the serpent race of the Forgotten Ones with the responsibility of shepherding all races into a peaceful co-existence. But when the Old Gods created humans, in 205 BE, they quickly mastered many skills and much knowledge and bested all other races and the balance was irrevokably broken. The Forgotten Ones withdrew into oblivion in the Crystal Desert..
These are the serpent Forgotten we see there now.
