While waiting for the match to start at the Ascalon Academy in Pre-Searing Ascalon I noticed some stairs and decided to try and walk up them. To my surprise I could and found a large open area you could run around in and even found some banners, though they have been seen before.
The odd bit is that I thought the White Mantle wasn't truly known until after the Searing when they came to the defense of Kryta against the Charr. While they may have been around I wouldn't have thought that the knowledge of them would have spread to Ascalon before the Searing occured. So my thought is that what has been considered solely the symbol of the White Mantle could actually be the symbol of Kryta itself. Thoughts?
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Thread: Banners at the Ascalon Academy
13-03-2006, 19:55 #1
Banners at the Ascalon Academy
13-03-2006, 21:51 #2
The thing is, the White Mantle symbol is most likely a representation of the Mursaat.
Historical texts do speak of Saul D'Alessio travelling around collecting followers for the White Mantle, before it was ever known as the White Mantle. It may be possible that this was a sort of pre-White Mantle embassy or recruitment tent. It's a shame we don't have access to the tent itself, maybe Saul D'Alessio himself was there.
Both the Ascalonians and the Krytans knew of the Charr threat, perhaps the White Mantle had sent envoys to Ascalon to assess the threat of the Charr, Saul might have known, from the Mursaat, that the Charr were massing forces, and sent a force to Ascalon.
The other banners we see are the symbol of the royal house of Ascalon, which includes the King and Rurik. If Rurik was always as reasonable as he appears to be post-Searing, perhaps he decided a meeting with the new faction in Kryta was a good idea, to get on good terms with them.
We also know that around the time of the Searing, and afterwords, Kryta, now under control of the White Mantle, had sent peace missions to Ascalon to try to patch up post-Guild War international ties. Still, I don't believe that happened until Ambassador Zain came after the Searing.
However, a connection must exist. For instance, I mentioned above that Rurik might have been meeting with representatives from the White Mantle because they were becoming powerful. We know the Guild Wars were still happening, or had just ended, at this time, and essentially, the White Mantle was a new, and very powerful guild. The powers to be in Ascalon may have decided to jump at an alliance with a new, Krytan power-seeking guild, so that they could gain an edge in the Guild Wars. Think about it, the White Mantle became very powerful, very fast. Even with the Mursaat's help, they would still need armor, weapons, and other materials to support themselves. Ascalon may have had relations with the White Mantle, and had been supplying them with weapons and the like so they could destablize the, then hostile, Krytan government. Then, after the Searing, in recognition of Ascalon's help in establishing their power, the White Mantle sought to help them.
The only problem is, Adlebern would not have let a Krytan force into Ascalon City, as we see post-Searing with the refusal of allowing Ambassador Zain into Ascalon City. Still, Rurik knew that Kryta was safe after the Searing, and even indirectly aided Zain, which seems to hint he knew the White Mantle could be trusted. Also, Stephen (the henchman) is a Krytan who came before the Searing, fell in love with the country, and stayed to help fight the Charr after the Searing. Early lore on the henchmen that I once read contained that tidbit of information, though I don't remember where I read it.
In my opinion, I would say that tent represents an early White Mantle strength and alliance building mission in Ascalon.
An interesting find indeed!
Last edited by Quintus Antonius; 13-03-2006 at 22:02.
14-03-2006, 18:18 #3
17-03-2006, 15:24 #4
I dont have any direct images but also took a few screenies of this area. The Mantle tent is overlooking a pit which to me looks as though it could of staged tournaments?
On this picture underneath said royal Ascalon banners a weapon rack can be seen.
Perhaps the two held some sort of event here? The White Mantle tent being the equivalent of a Royal box? Even if Adelbern disliked Kryta and the Mantle he probably wouldnt snuff the chance to embarrass their champion in a good old fight to the death.
EDIT: Fixed link
Last edited by Vunduin; 17-03-2006 at 15:26.
17-03-2006, 15:40 #5
How did you guys get those screenshots? I didnt think you could actually get into that part of the map.
17-03-2006, 17:14 #6
When you exit Pre searing and the countdown begins for the 4v4 PvP session you can have a wander. I think it varies but i usually have about 2 minutes or so before the match starts.
19-03-2006, 20:34 #7
20-03-2006, 00:40 #8
I forget the name of the person, but in pre-searing you get a quest from a Krytan living in Ascalon City (the quest where you have to lead the bees over the bridge). As I recall, said Krytan didnt mention their job, so Im just guessing here, but he may have started a small trading post, selling food, clothing and what-not. Now (again, if my memory serves me well) during the N a z i rule of Germany, any Jewish owned shops had signs outside making it clear that the shops were Jewish. Maybe this is a similar thing. Maybe Adlebern isnt happy that a Krytan is living in his kingdom, but because he wants to appear as a good king, rather than a nasty one, he just trys to single him out in hopes that he will pack up and go back to Kryta.
Last edited by Dunnoir; 20-03-2006 at 00:41. Reason: apparently saying N a z i without spaces is bad enough to censor! free speach eh?
22-03-2006, 15:27 #9
I know who you mean and also cant remember his name - something like "Naman". Its possible that he owned some sort of stall though I cant see it being in the Ascalon Academy if anywhere he would probably of had it in town? Then again the king may of put him there because he is a Krytan and like you say to single him out and make him go home.
I always wondered why there was a Krytan in the middle of Ascalon when the relationship between the nations was supposedly so bad. The quest involves him searching for a home though doesn't it? If he does not have a house he probably wouldnt have a buisness.
22-03-2006, 19:14 #10