Mantle & Mursaat: Earlier Alliance than Plot Suggests?

[Krystoffur Tarqys]

I was recently working on the Bonus for the Bloodstone Fen. Having completed it, many in our group left - as it was a group touted mainly as a bonus group. However, there was one individual who needed mission completion. I stayed, along with another level 20 W/R. The three of us easily completed that mission.

The cutscene after mission completion shows a Mantle assembly, where they are 'pissed' that Hablion was 'owned.'

My question is this:

In most of the cutscene, you can see sturctures that are blood red/magenta that pulse with some translucent energy. These look exactly like the structures the Mursaat have/created on the Ring of Fire Islands missions. No biggie, right? We know Mursaat and the Mantle eventually 'get together.' My point is, this would suggest that the two are allied well before they are mentioned in the plot. Would this change the story line/uncover anything from the story line? The Sanctum Cay mission seems like it would be more interesting.

Vizier states that there are much more forces here than he supposed there could/would be. Are these forces augmented by unseen Mursaat forces? Could the Mursaat forces be at previously Mantle-only stations/tactical positions throughout Tyria, freeing up those Mantle to be in place on the Cay?

[Has this been mentioned already?]

Comments?

[Bilateralrope]

You know how the mantle worship the 'unseen ones' and have done since they pushed back the charr ?

Those are the Mursaat. The Mantle have been working for the Mursaat since shortly after the searing

[Quintus Antonius]

The Mursaat are the White Mantle's Unseen Ones.

I believe this is clearly explained in the game, but you may not be to it yet, or simply missed that.

As for the large Mantle force in Sanctum Cay, they are there because Markus was supplying them with information on the movements of the Shining Blade. As any powerful military powers, the White Mantle probably had a standing army that was not tied to any one base, thus they could muster a large force to take on the Shining Blade and still maintain their forces in other parts of Kryta.

There isn't a mystery here at all really, and most of it is explained in the various cinema's of the game. Of course, most people tend to skip them, so confusion may happen.

[Krystoffur Tarqys]

The Mursaat are the White Mantle's Unseen Ones.

I believe this is clearly explained in the game, but you may not be to it yet, or simply missed that.

As for the large Mantle force in Sanctum Cay, they are there because Markus was supplying them with information on the movements of the Shining Blade. As any powerful military powers, the White Mantle probably had a standing army that was not tied to any one base, thus they could muster a large force to take on the Shining Blade and still maintain their forces in other parts of Kryta.

There isn't a mystery here at all really, and most of it is explained in the various cinema's of the game. Of course, most people tend to skip them, so confusion may happen.

Haha, wow. I feel noobish. Have completed the game for a couple months now, and STILL didn't even realize that :-\

/treadlightlywithinloreforum

[Quintus Antonius]

It's amazing what you can learn if you listen. The cinemas are there for a reason. I know people who are new to the game and skip all the cinemas, then are lost as to the mission objectives. This is why people tend to think GW has a weak storyline or no lore, because they tend to skip things, or not read the text of quests. However, in the Lore Forum, this is necessary as it is one of our only canonical sources of information, other than dev's, the Manuscripts, and the art book.

[Noroimusha]

Hey guys...guys. You would know that the Mursaat were known to the mantle since a LOOONG time ago (since Saul D'Alessio) if you read the lore booklet that comes with the game. Plain and simple.

[Quintus Antonius]

Hey guys...guys. You would know that the Mursaat were known to the mantle since a LOOONG time ago (since Saul D'Alessio) if you read the lore booklet that comes with the game. Plain and simple.

Yeah, that was exactly what I was trying to allude to. Only I try to do it subtely, instead of coming out and saying, "Hey idiot, read the manual!"

[Krystoffur Tarqys]

I did read the manual many times over [sleepless nights] and watched every cut scene. Somehow I just missed it. However, I still fail to see how it's perfectly sound to believe that they're the unseen ones, if so, how would Saul D'Alessio 'perish' with every other man/woman in his unit? The Mursaat are impervious to anything that isn't infused, and even after that buffer they are still powerful foes. How would they let their allie's leader die? That seems like a big 'whoopsies' for the Mursaat.

The Mursaat just seem too badass to be denied 'ownership,' and when coupled with the semi-legitimacy of the Mantle...

Still seems questionable.

Can anyone point me in the direction where I may find all these questions? I have read the [worthless] manual and ventured onto other sites, but I can't seem to get answers to questions such as these.

[Durza the Shadeking]

The Mursaat have been worshipped by the White Mantle and here is a few reasons why they continue to be with the mantle.

1.Steady Supply of Chosen Souls
2.Allies in War Effort ( I know they got Jades, but when you have humans bowing down to you it does not matter if you sacrafice a few in a war.)
And Many More...

The Saul Delessio thing in itself seems wierd, but there were no survivors to tell the tale.
My own personal guess is that Saul knew to much and needed to get rid of, so the Mursaat had his "spies" kead him deep into Charr territory.

[Krystoffur Tarqys]

The Mursaat have been worshipped by the White Mantle and here is a few reasons why they continue to be with the mantle.

1.Steady Supply of Chosen Souls
2.Allies in War Effort ( I know they got Jades, but when you have humans bowing down to you it does not matter if you sacrafice a few in a war.)
And Many More...

The Saul Delessio thing in itself seems wierd, but there were no survivors to tell the tale.
My own personal guess is that Saul knew to much and needed to get rid of, so the Mursaat had his "spies" kead him deep into Charr territory.

Ah, very convincing points. Talk about a 'shadow government.' It would be very interesting to one day make a hierchical graph/flow chart of 'power' within Tyria. It might help [me] understand things a bit.