Mantle & Mursaat: Earlier Alliance than Plot Suggests?

[Ranger Nietzsche]

there are litteraly aslsoads of topics in here that could give you more than you ever wanted to know in terms of the mursaat, here is the largest

The HUGE one
http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=385842

[Quintus Antonius]

Still seems questionable.

Can anyone point me in the direction where I may find all these questions? I have read the [worthless] manual and ventured onto other sites, but I can't seem to get answers to questions such as these.

It's not questionable as it is clearly explained in game; and I would disagree vehemently with anyone who says the manual is worthless, seeing as it is the basis for almost everything we discuss in the Lore Forum.

there are litteraly aslsoads of topics in here that could give you more than you ever wanted to know in terms of the mursaat, here is the largest

The HUGE one
http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=385842

Yup, written by me no less, and the article that inspired me to petition for the Lore Forum

[Krystoffur Tarqys]

It's not questionable as it is clearly explained in game; and I would disagree vehemently with anyone who says the manual is worthless, seeing as it is the basis for almost everything we discuss in the Lore Forum.



Yup, written by me no less, and the article that inspired me to petition for the Lore Forum

Where is it explained in the game that the Mursaat need the Mantle? For a gamer/casual gamer, it seems a bit confusing to me.

I will read your review. Thank you for the link :)

[Quintus Antonius]

Where is it explained in the game that the Mursaat need the Mantle? For a gamer/casual gamer, it seems a bit confusing to me.

I will read your review. Thank you for the link :)

Oh, I believe there is a bit of miscommunication, I thought you meant it was questionable that the Mursaat were the Unseen Ones.

[Noroimusha]

Quintus...Im not trying to say any one is stupid, but trying to give a simple answer to a question :)

quote: originally posted by Krystoffur tarqis :
I did read the manual many times over [sleepless nights] and watched every cut scene. Somehow I just missed it. However, I still fail to see how it's perfectly sound to believe that they're the unseen ones, if so, how would Saul D'Alessio 'perish' with every other man/woman in his unit? The Mursaat are impervious to anything that isn't infused, and even after that buffer they are still powerful foes. How would they let their allie's leader die? That seems like a big 'whoopsies' for the Mursaat.

The Mursaat just seem too badass to be denied 'ownership,' and when coupled with the semi-legitimacy of the Mantle...

Still seems questionable.

Can anyone point me in the direction where I may find all these questions? I have read the [worthless] manual and ventured onto other sites, but I can't seem to get answers to questions such as these.

You see, Saul D'Alessio only met the Mursaat once, and has since then worshipped them because he believed in them. They just moved on, not even knowing he's worshipping them!!. He died because his spies among the charr failed to inform him of an ambush that was planned for him. The Mursaat came to contact, and got to know their worshippers only recently, on the hands of dr. Dorian.

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[QUOTE=Krystoffur Tarqys]In most of the cutscene, you can see sturctures that are blood red/magenta that pulse with some translucent energy

Anyone else notice that this can be found behind the Balthazar statue in Heroes Ascent. The stairs are just like it just white. And, Quintus, you must know about teh temple in the jungle, it's pretty much the same style ("Eye of Janthir" on them)

[Quintus Antonius]

You see, Saul D'Alessio only met the Mursaat once, and has since then worshipped them because he believed in them. They just moved on, not even knowing he's worshipping them!!. He died because his spies among the charr failed to inform him of an ambush that was planned for him. The Mursaat came to contact, and got to know their worshippers only recently, on the hands of dr. Dorian.

If the Mursaat and the Mantle never had contact, how did the Mantle sacrafice the Chosen, per the Mursaats orders, to hold of the Flameseeker Prophecies.

The highest members of the Mantle, Saul D'Alessio most likely included, knew who the Mursaat were and had contact with them. The White Mantle symbol is basically an artists conception of the Mursaat, they obviously had contact.

You can only meet someone once, if you come in contact with them again, it isn't meeting them. However, Saul D'Alessio was with the Mursaat for at least a few years, we even hear of his journeys in some of the various tablets around Kryta. We know he visited at least two Mursaat cities: the one in the Maguuma Jungle were he first met the Mursaat, and the Isle of Janthir, where the Mursaat gave him the Eye of Janthir.

The White Mantle as a whole were introduced to the Mursaat after Confessor Dorian revealed them, but Confessor Dorian himself obviously had contact with them before hand, seeing as he wasn't in any way shocked by their real identity, even most of the White Mantle weren't. The Mursaat were called the Unseen Ones because, until the formation of the Mantle, and even after it 99% of people had to take it on faith that they existed.

Although, you are right, Saul died because of bad information, not because the Mursaat abandoned him.

Anyone else notice that this can be found behind the Balthazar statue in Heroes Ascent. The stairs are just like it just white. And, Quintus, you must know about teh temple in the jungle, it's pretty much the same style ("Eye of Janthir" on them)

If you have read my article on the Mursaat, a large portion of it was dedicated to the Temple of Balthazar in the Jungle, so yes, I am familar with it.

One reason why I felt Lord Odran was a Mursaat was because these various temples, most of which display Mursaat architecture and symbols, were locations were Odran hid his portals to the various realms of the Mists (Fissure of Woe, Underworld, and the Rift).

[Ranger Nietzsche]

I still think the statue of balthazar in maguuma should let you into Fow, the statue of grenth in Lornars pass lets you into UW...its the only way to start UW with a morale boost

[Noroimusha]

quote: originaly posted by Quintus Antonius:


The White Mantle as a whole were introduced to the Mursaat after Confessor Dorian revealed them, but Confessor Dorian himself obviously had contact with them before hand, seeing as he wasn't in any way shocked by their real identity, even most of the White Mantle weren't. The Mursaat were called the Unseen Ones because, until the formation of the Mantle, and even after it 99% of people had to take it on faith that they existed.

Maybe u'r right about Saul D'alessio, since he knows alot about them. But concideing that you said non of the White Mantle, other than confessor Dorian knew the Mursaat..................THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING!!

[Ranger Nietzsche]

no, you were saying the mursaat were unaware of thier status as the Unseen ONes until dorain showed up, including the blatantly false statemnet that he met them only once

what quintus and the consensus are saying is that the mursaat were aware from the beginning and were orchestrating his moves ever since